Resistance #1

[12:29 PM] adv0catus: Hi dj. We were actually just talking about running a new type of game.
[12:29 PM] djrockstar: Oh, cool
[12:29 PM] adv0catus: raw, if we played now, would you be in?
[12:29 PM] rawismojo: Any PMing among players would absolutely ruin it, but I assume that's true of most mafia-style games.
[12:29 PM] aturtledoesbite: Well, if we have enough people now, then let's get to it.
[12:29 PM] adv0catus: Yup.
[12:29 PM] Bob10110: In fact I've played it a few times with my mafia club friends. Sometimes with a game set, occasionally with a deck of playing cards.
[12:30 PM] rawismojo: I've played it once (well a few times but in one sitting) with the game set.
[12:30 PM] rawismojo: It was neat.
[12:30 PM] adv0catus: dj, would you play? I'll explain it again when we have enough players (5).
[12:30 PM] rawismojo: Although I feel that a lot of it would be lost in digital forms.
[12:30 PM] adv0catus: turtle, Bob, I assume you two are in.
[12:30 PM] djrockstar: Sure, I'd love to play
[12:31 PM] rawismojo: As half the strategy is looking surprised and disappointed when a mission you are on failed.
[12:31 PM] aturtledoesbite: You assume correctly.
[12:31 PM] Bob10110: Yeah, I'll be in. And I agree with raw, it feels like it'd be better left as a real-life game.
[12:31 PM] Bob10110: But it could work online.
[12:31 PM] adv0catus: No can do, Bobicus. :P
[12:31 PM] aturtledoesbite: The way I see it, we won't know how it'll play until we try.
[12:31 PM] adv0catus: ^
[12:32 PM] rawismojo: But I assume the same is true for basically any mafia-style game.
[12:32 PM] adv0catus: Adeeb.
[12:33 PM] adv0catus: We're going to try a new game, want in?
[12:33 PM] adv0catus: I'll explain it when we have 5 minimum.
[12:33 PM] AdeebNafees: Adv0, why can't I make you send me the invite multiple times?
[12:33 PM] AdeebNafees: It should be a feature :/
[12:33 PM] adv0catus: It doesn't work, all it does is spam me.
[12:33 PM] AdeebNafees: For the lazy people like m.
[12:34 PM] aturtledoesbite: It double-spams him.
[12:34 PM] AdeebNafees: *yours truly
[12:34 PM] AdeebNafees: Also, I want in.
[12:34 PM] adv0catus: So, turtle, Bob and AN.
[12:34 PM] AdeebNafees: If it starts within the next 20 minutes.
[12:34 PM] adv0catus: dj, are you interested?
[12:34 PM] djrockstar: I am
[12:34 PM] AdeebNafees: DJ's in? Hey DJ!
[12:34 PM] adv0catus: So, we need 1 more.
[12:34 PM] djrockstar: Hey Abeed
[12:34 PM] AdeebNafees: Nice to see you here.
[12:34 PM] AdeebNafees: ....er, hey.
[12:34 PM] adv0catus: Perfect.
[12:34 PM] adv0catus: Precarious.
[12:35 PM] adv0catus: You're our 5th.
[12:35 PM] AdeebNafees: Also, get Prec.
[12:35 PM] adv0catus: So, the game is called Resistance.
[12:35 PM] AdeebNafees: Setup explanation now please.
[12:35 PM] AdeebNafees: Ninja'd...
[12:35 PM] adv0catus: The "good" guys are the resistance and the "bad" guys are the Imperials.
[12:35 PM] adv0catus: The Imperials have infitrated the resistance and will try to get their missions to fail.
[12:36 PM] aturtledoesbite: While I'm all for drafting Prec to play, we should make sure he's actually there first, don't you think?
[12:36 PM] adv0catus: Each round a leader is randomly selected and they decide who goes on the missions.
[12:36 PM] adv0catus: Woops.
[12:36 PM] adv0catus: Precarious? :)
[12:36 PM] AdeebNafees: Prec must play or be killed.
[12:36 PM] AdeebNafees: Anyway, I think he will sign up auto when he sees the chat.
[12:37 PM] AdeebNafees: Alternatively, we can take BVOC.
[12:37 PM] Precarious: I'm here
[12:37 PM] Precarious: What do you guys need me for
[12:37 PM] AdeebNafees: Heeeeey.
[12:37 PM] adv0catus: Interested? :D
[12:37 PM] adv0catus: Wanna be our 5th?
[12:37 PM] AdeebNafees: We need you for an experiment.
[12:37 PM] aturtledoesbite: Prec, you're playing our new game.
[12:37 PM] Precarious: I'm not sure what we're playing, but I'll try it anyway ;)
[12:37 PM] adv0catus: I started explaining it. :P
[12:37 PM] aturtledoesbite: I love how you say that as if you could say no.
[12:38 PM] AdeebNafees: *as if you could safely say no
[12:38 PM] Precarious: lol
[12:38 PM] aturtledoesbite: ...No, pretty sure he couldn't say no at all.
[12:38 PM] adv0catus: Can I continue?
[12:38 PM] AdeebNafees: Sure.
[12:38 PM] aturtledoesbite: By all means.
[12:38 PM] adv0catus: Toa, want to play the new chat experiment called Resistance?
[12:39 PM] BVOC: I saw my name up there.
[12:39 PM] adv0catus: BVOC wanna play?
[12:39 PM] BVOC: Sure.
[12:39 PM] adv0catus: So, 6.
[12:39 PM] adv0catus: The suggested max is 10, the minimum is 5.
[12:39 PM] aturtledoesbite: I think we've got a decent range.
[12:39 PM] adv0catus: Let's go with 6, anyone else is SOL. :P
[12:40 PM] adv0catus: So, let me re-explain it for everyone.
[12:40 PM] adv0catus: The resistance is the good guys and the imperials are the bad guys. The imperials are trying to infiltrate the resistance missions to make them fail.
[12:40 PM] adv0catus: There's 5 missions in total and the imperials win if they can sabotage 3 of them.
[12:41 PM] adv0catus: Each round before the mission, a leader is randomly selected. They decide who goes on the next mission.
[12:41 PM] Toa_of_Pi: sorry, busy at the moment
[12:41 PM] adv0catus: Once the participants are selected, they each PRIVATELY send me a message saying whether the mission is successful or not.
[12:41 PM] AdeebNafees: OT: "199 people have been killed, 195 infected, 1 people have survived" - makes me mad.
[12:41 PM] adv0catus: It only takes 1 "No" for the mission to be a failure.
[12:42 PM] Bob10110: (( Yes. So the Resistance needs to be absolutely CERTAIN they aren't sending an Imperial Spy on a mission. ))
[12:42 PM] adv0catus: Each mission has a minimum number of participants, 1 = 2, 2 = 3, 3 = 2, 4 = 3, 5 = 3.
[12:42 PM] aturtledoesbite: 2/3/2/3/3.
[12:42 PM] AdeebNafees: So 1 and 3 are kinda extra important.
[12:43 PM] AdeebNafees: Because they might be easier to pass.
[12:43 PM] Precarious: I'm assuming the leader can't send himself?
[12:43 PM] Bob10110: (( But if failed, they yield a bit more information. ))
[12:43 PM] Bob10110: (( The leader can send himself, in the way I've played it. ))
[12:43 PM] adv0catus: Like in mafia, absolutely no private discussion is to happen between players, at all.
[12:43 PM] AdeebNafees: If passed, they make the rest of the missions a breeze.
[12:43 PM] adv0catus: The only whispers are to be to the mod, me.
[12:43 PM] AdeebNafees: Unless scum is clever enough to pass one of the 2P missions.
[12:44 PM] Precarious: So, even the imperials don't communicate, or is it just the Resistance?
[12:44 PM] adv0catus: raw wasn't 100% sure what the ratio was, so it'll take a little bit of messing around to figure it out.
[12:44 PM] adv0catus: For 6 players I think a 1/3 is fair.
[12:44 PM] adv0catus: So there'll be 2 imperials.
[12:44 PM] Bob10110: Scum will know who each other are.
[12:44 PM] aturtledoesbite: 2 skum.
[12:44 PM] adv0catus: Bob, can the two imperials talk to each other?
[12:44 PM] AdeebNafees: No lynching or anything?
[12:44 PM] adv0catus: No lynching.
[12:44 PM] adv0catus: No one dies.
[12:44 PM] Bob10110: Not privately.
[12:44 PM] adv0catus: Okay.
[12:44 PM] adv0catus: So absolutely no private discussions.
[12:45 PM] adv0catus: No deaths in this game at all.
[12:45 PM] Bob10110: Yep. It's just racking up points for your side. First to 3 points wins.
[12:45 PM] Precarious: And discussion is meant to help the leader determine who to send, then
[12:45 PM] AdeebNafees: N.B: adv0 is not responsible if you die from a heart failure or something.
[12:46 PM] adv0catus: Give me a minute to sort things out mod-wise on my end.
[12:48 PM] rawismojo: In a 5 player game we had 2 spies.
[12:48 PM] adv0catus: Okay, sending out alignments now.
[12:48 PM] adv0catus: Doing 4-2, raw.
[12:49 PM] adv0catus: Imperial  (reply)
[12:49 PM] aturtledoesbite: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19908095
[12:49 PM] aturtledoesbite: Hilarious.
[12:50 PM] AdeebNafees: Hey pardner.  (reply)
[12:50 PM] adv0catus: AN is Imperial.  (reply)
[12:50 PM] adv0catus: Everyone please confirm.
[12:50 PM] BVOC: Rdy
[12:50 PM] AdeebNafees: Confirmed.
[12:50 PM] aturtledoesbite: [insert confirmatory statement]
[12:50 PM] buggieboy: (Haha, Turtle.
[12:50 PM] Precarious: Confirmed
[12:51 PM] djrockstar: Con-firmed
[12:51 PM] aturtledoesbite: Bob's the only one left.
[12:51 PM] hamuka: What'd I miss?
[12:51 PM] AdeebNafees: A mafia. A new kind of mafia.
[12:51 PM] adv0catus: About to run a new type of game called Resistance.
[12:52 PM] Bob10110: Confirmed.
[12:52 PM] Bob10110: Sorry, little bit constricted by timer
[12:52 PM] hamuka: Which kind?
[12:52 PM] adv0catus: Bob is the Leader for Mission #1. The minimum number of participants is 2.
[12:52 PM] hamuka: Setup?
[12:53 PM] aturtledoesbite: Private First-Class Turtle, reporting for duty!
[12:53 PM] AdeebNafees: 4 VT, 2 Scum. With more flavor and different mechanics.
[12:53 PM] AdeebNafees: Also, I'd like to be sent too, if required.
[12:53 PM] BVOC: Ready to be sent as needed.
[12:53 PM] Bob10110: Well, the first round is always pretty random.
[12:54 PM] BVOC: Seems lke a toss-up in the first round.
[12:54 PM] BVOC: To slow!
[12:54 PM] Bob10110: It always is. I have two options here:
[12:54 PM] BVOC: Too*
[12:54 PM] AdeebNafees: If you or I get picked. Should No or not?  (reply)
[12:54 PM] Precarious: Well, let's consider the situation
[12:54 PM] Bob10110: 1) Send myself and someone.
[12:54 PM] Bob10110: 2) Send two other people
[12:54 PM] BVOC: You can send yourself?
[12:54 PM] To AdeebNafees: No private communication, sorry.
[12:54 PM] Precarious: If you know your alignment, you should absolutely send yourself
[12:54 PM] AdeebNafees: I thought we did have private comms.  (reply)
[12:54 PM] AdeebNafees: Soz.  (reply)
[12:54 PM] Precarious: Since that guarantees one of two is correct, if I understand what we're doing
[12:55 PM] aturtledoesbite: Or at least, one of two benefits the leader.
[12:55 PM] aturtledoesbite: The leader could be skum.
[12:55 PM] Bob10110: Yes. Unless I'm a spy, but I'd want to send myself anyways and pin the blame on the other person.
[12:55 PM] aturtledoesbite: I think.
[12:55 PM] Bob10110: Of course, why am I even saying that. I'm in the resistance. ;)
[12:55 PM] Precarious: So the leader isn't always Resistance?
[12:55 PM] aturtledoesbite: "Bob10110: [...]I'm a spy[...]"
[12:55 PM] BVOC: Indeed.
[12:55 PM] AdeebNafees: I'd assume not, since 5 missions and chances of leader being different.
[12:56 PM] Precarious: Okay, I see
[12:56 PM] Bob10110: No. Everybody votes on whether a mission is clear for takeoff, and then it is resolved.
[12:56 PM] Precarious: Ah, my misunderstanding
[12:56 PM] AdeebNafees: I wonder. Can someone be a leader multiple times?
[12:56 PM] adv0catus: Oh.
[12:56 PM] adv0catus: In my game, each round has a different leader.
[12:56 PM] aturtledoesbite: So you nominate two folks, we say yea or nay, then it flies?
[12:56 PM] Bob10110: But then again that's the way I've played. adv0, is there a voting round to confirm the mission before it is resolved?
[12:57 PM] adv0catus: Sure.
[12:57 PM] adv0catus: Sounds good.
[12:57 PM] adv0catus: Majority + 1
[12:57 PM] Bob10110: (And if the voting round fails, does the Leader role pass on to the next person in the circle?)
[12:57 PM] Bob10110: (Best to get this all straightened out now.)
[12:58 PM] adv0catus: Let's say that the leader has to pick participants.
[12:58 PM] Precarious: Can we have a player list, by the way?
[12:58 PM] adv0catus: Sure, 1 sec.
[12:58 PM] Bob10110: Hmm.
[12:59 PM] aturtledoesbite: Turtle, Bob, Prec, dj, two other people.
[12:59 PM] adv0catus: Bob10110, aturtledoesbite, AdeebNafees, Precarious, djrockstar, BVOC.
[12:59 PM] Bob10110: [Propose: Bob10110, Precarious]
[12:59 PM] adv0catus: So, please [Vote: Yes] for agreement and [Vote: No] in rejection.
[12:59 PM] adv0catus: 4 votes to be successful.
[12:59 PM] Bob10110: (As I understand it, we now have a voting round. 4 "yes" votes means this mission is accepted. )
[01:00 PM] aturtledoesbite: Ninja'd.
[01:00 PM] BVOC: [Vote: Yes]
[01:00 PM] Precarious: [vote: Yes]
[01:00 PM] Bob10110: [Vote: No] -- why? I want to see what other people propose, and get a bit more information that way.
[01:00 PM] adv0catus: Yes - 1, No - 0.
[01:00 PM] adv0catus: 3*
[01:00 PM] djrockstar: [Vote: Yes]
[01:00 PM] aturtledoesbite: There's a 2/5 chance that one of those is skum.
[01:00 PM] aturtledoesbite: If my math is right.
[01:00 PM] adv0catus: Yes - 3, No - 1.
[01:01 PM] BVOC: Honestly, first round seems like a big gamble.
[01:01 PM] Precarious: 2 in 6, actually, turtle, unless you're counting yourself in your calculation
[01:01 PM] Bob10110: (Also, just to be clear adv0: My Resistance group plays with a rule where 5 proposed missions being shot down IN A ROW gives the spies an automatic victory.)
[01:01 PM] adv0catus: Eh.
[01:01 PM] Bob10110: (Is that rule in effect here?)
[01:02 PM] adv0catus: No.
[01:02 PM] aturtledoesbite: I was counting myself, because I was doing it as a general statement.
[01:02 PM] AdeebNafees: VOTE: Yes. Sorry, was afk.
[01:02 PM] Precarious: okay, fair enough turtle
[01:02 PM] adv0catus: The mission is successful. The participants need to message me with their vote for success or failure.
(Bob10110 votes Success.)
(Precarious votes Success.)
[01:02 PM] adv0catus: The mission participant selection*
[01:03 PM] aturtledoesbite: *is carried out
[01:03 PM] AdeebNafees: Lol
[01:03 PM] adv0catus: Mission #1 is SUCCESSFUL.
[01:03 PM] aturtledoesbite: Huzzah!
[01:03 PM] Bob10110: Awesome. Chalk one up for the Resistance!
[01:03 PM] AdeebNafees: Nice! :D
[01:03 PM] BVOC: Well, that makes it pretty much a guarenteed win for the resistance.
[01:03 PM] Precarious: GO TEAM RESISTANCE
[01:03 PM] djrockstar: Woot
[01:03 PM] adv0catus: The leader for Mission #2 is djrockstar. The minimum number of participants is 3.
[01:03 PM] AdeebNafees: BVOC, how?
[01:03 PM] aturtledoesbite: Not necessarily, BVOC. We still need to be on guard.
[01:04 PM] BVOC: Because the leader can keep sending both those two
[01:04 PM] BVOC: Or am I seeing this wrong?
[01:04 PM] djrockstar: BVOC, one of those may have been scum but said success to show that they are innocent
[01:04 PM] AdeebNafees: Mission 2 needs 3 players, I think.
[01:04 PM] BVOC: Oh, I see.
[01:04 PM] Bob10110: Yes. Mission 2 requires 3 players.
[01:05 PM] Precarious: Let's consider all the possibilities
[01:05 PM] Bob10110: (Future refrence: M3 needs 4 players, M4 needs 3 players, and M5 needs 4 players.)
[01:05 PM] rawismojo: It's common for spies to vote pass on the first mission in order not to out themselves too early.
[01:05 PM] AdeebNafees: brb
[01:05 PM] adv0catus: 2/3/2/3/3?
[01:05 PM] aturtledoesbite: Oh, so it's 2/3/4/3/4?
[01:05 PM] Precarious: Either Bob and I are both resistance, or one of us is scum, or both are scum
[01:05 PM] Precarious: We both voted success, based on the mission result
[01:05 PM] adv0catus: I'm basing it on this:
[01:05 PM] adv0catus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resistance_(party_game)#Rounds
[01:05 PM] Precarious: Wait, did the requirements just go up?
[01:06 PM] Bob10110: We have 6 players adv0. Not 5.
[01:06 PM] adv0catus: Oh, damn.
[01:06 PM] adv0catus: Sorry, yes.
[01:06 PM] djrockstar: I think Bob is resistance, the way he said "if I was spy" is what makes me think this way, I'm gonna send in myself and Bob, I'm not sure about the third tho
[01:06 PM] adv0catus: 2/3/4/3/4
[01:06 PM] BVOC: Well this makes it quite a bit more difficult then.
[01:06 PM] Precarious: If Bob and I are both resistance, then that means the remaining players are split 2-2
[01:07 PM] Bob10110: Also, just a hint. Precarious is likely Resistance as well since the first mission passed, but it's not a guarantee on either of us.
[01:07 PM] djrockstar: Alright
[01:07 PM] aturtledoesbite: I wouldn't put complete trust in either of them, personally.
[01:07 PM] BVOC: Me neither.
[01:07 PM] Bob10110: (Might I also add if the game makes it to M5, we need to have the spies figured out by then.)
[01:07 PM] djrockstar: Yeah, like I said before, one of you may have said success to make yourselves look innocent
[01:08 PM] Precarious: If the send rate remaining is now 3/4/3/4, then this mission and mission 4 take on extra importance
[01:08 PM] BVOC: So, Bob and Precarious are resistance, if we send 3 different people, it's pretty much a guarenteed failure
[01:08 PM] BVOC: If Bob and precarious*
[01:09 PM] djrockstar: I'm willing to take the risk
[01:09 PM] djrockstar: [Propose: me, Bob and precarious]
[01:09 PM] adv0catus: My mistake for quoting 2/3/2/3/3, it's 2/3/4/3/4.
[01:09 PM] Bob10110: Remember we have to agree on the mission. =P
[01:09 PM] BVOC: Obviously. :)
[01:09 PM] rawismojo: (You have to weight the importance of winning any one mission vs the importance of gaining additional information.)
[01:10 PM] aturtledoesbite: Like I said earlier. I still think one of them is scum. [Vote: No]
[01:10 PM] Toa_of_Pi: (agree on the mission? huh?)
[01:10 PM] Precarious: The thing is, sending three new people almost guarantees a failed mission, and the group too large to attain specific information yet
[01:10 PM] Bob10110: We're voting on the mission now. It takes 4 out of 6 to send dj, Bob, and Prec.
[01:10 PM] adv0catus: Yes - 0, No - 1.
[01:10 PM] Precarious: I recommend sending at least one of me or Bob
[01:10 PM] Bob10110: [Vote: Yes]
[01:11 PM] adv0catus: Yes - 1, No - 1.
[01:11 PM] adv0catus: 4 required.
[01:11 PM] Precarious: We need to make sure we have useful info by mission 4 though, since that will likely be critical
[01:11 PM] Bob10110: Also make sure you're looking at your vote patterns guys. Votes here may be just as much of a scum tell as what people propose.
[01:12 PM] Toa_of_Pi: (voting on missions? What a terrible chain of command...)
[01:12 PM] BVOC: [Vote: No.]
[01:12 PM] aturtledoesbite: Toa, clearly the captain is asking for the opinions of his group.
[01:12 PM] Bob10110: The resistance isn't exactly the most organized group of people. The leader changes constantly.
[01:12 PM] AdeebNafees: Sorry, was away.
[01:12 PM] BVOC: I'm thinking this is going to go wrong.
[01:12 PM] AdeebNafees: Who did you nominate, DJ?
[01:12 PM] aturtledoesbite: The nominees are dj, Bob, and Prec.
[01:12 PM] Toa_of_Pi: (You know what the chain of command is? Its a chain I go and beat you with until you realize who's in command.)
[01:13 PM] Precarious: So we have turtle and BVOC voting no, Bob voting yes
[01:13 PM] aturtledoesbite: I still think one of them is scum.
[01:13 PM] Bob10110: Mission is DJ, Bob, Prec. Votes: Yes-1, No-2
[01:13 PM] adv0catus: Yes - 1, No - 2.
[01:13 PM] adv0catus: At 3 votes, the proposal is rejected.
[01:13 PM] AdeebNafees: Hmm, I dunno, but I don't have a good feeling about sending both the people from M1 to M2 as well.
[01:13 PM] AdeebNafees: Vote: No.
[01:13 PM] Bob10110: Also adv0, if you look immediately above that table in the wikipedia article, there's the rule about failing to propose missions 5 times in a row
[01:13 PM] adv0catus: If a proposal is rejected, the same participants can't be proposed again for that mission.
[01:14 PM] adv0catus: Okay.
[01:14 PM] djrockstar: Who do you guys suggest we send then?
[01:14 PM] aturtledoesbite: Well, not the exact same.
[01:14 PM] adv0catus: The proposal is rejected.
[01:14 PM] Precarious: dj, we should talk before you make another proposal
[01:14 PM] BVOC: Personally I feel Bob is scum.
[01:14 PM] Precarious: Because once people are on the table, they either have to go or that combination can't happen
[01:14 PM] aturtledoesbite: I was just about to say the same, BV.
[01:15 PM] AdeebNafees: BVOC, why do you feel so?
[01:15 PM] AdeebNafees: atdb, ditto to you.
[01:15 PM] BVOC: I dunno. He was first, had the possibility of nominating himself
[01:15 PM] Bob10110: BVOC and turtle are grouping up together, somewhat suspiciously.
[01:15 PM] BVOC: Making it succeed.
[01:15 PM] BVOC: Lowering the suspicions.
[01:15 PM] Precarious: If we can't guarantee a mission victory, we need to make a decision that gives us the best likelihood of mission victory while also giving us a useful foundation for future information
[01:15 PM] aturtledoesbite: In the beginning, he said "if he was scum", as if he had already considered that end.
[01:15 PM] BVOC: He said yes to the second nomination.
[01:16 PM] Bob10110: Well, chances are if the mission gets shot down, the next person's just going to propose himself, Prec, and Bob.
[01:16 PM] Bob10110: It's the safest bet since we're more likely to be Resistance.
[01:16 PM] aturtledoesbite: And one other person.
[01:17 PM] aturtledoesbite: Next mission is 4, remember?
[01:17 PM] Precarious: This reminds me of Dethy - is there a sending pattern that can elicit maximum information by the end of mission 3?
[01:17 PM] Bob10110: No. If the mission gets voted down, someone else picks Mission #2.
[01:17 PM] AdeebNafees: Next mission is 4?
[01:17 PM] AdeebNafees: I thought Mission 2 would be repicked.
[01:17 PM] Bob10110: We don't actually resolve it until someone makes a plan of action that gets agreed upon by a majority.
[01:17 PM] aturtledoesbite: AN, the mission participants are 2/3/4/3/4
[01:17 PM] BVOC: So we should have a new leader?
[01:17 PM] Bob10110: We would pass leader on to the next person if dj's proposal gets shot down.
[01:17 PM] aturtledoesbite: Oh, I thought you meant "shot down" as in "agreed, but failed"
[01:17 PM] BVOC: I see.
[01:18 PM] Bob10110: Yeah, we're only voting on a proposal right now.
[01:18 PM] adv0catus: I don't want to change leaders.
[01:18 PM] Bob10110: You don't?
[01:18 PM] BVOC: lol
[01:19 PM] Bob10110: Eh. Alright.
[01:19 PM] adv0catus: It's confusing. :P
[01:19 PM] adv0catus: Not yet, at least.
[01:19 PM] Bob10110: (There are reasons why there are certain rules in there.)
[01:19 PM] adv0catus: This is the first game, after all.
[01:19 PM] adv0catus: Well, Bob. Do you want to mod then?
[01:19 PM] Bob10110: Next game? Sure.
[01:19 PM] adv0catus: I mean, scrap this and you mod a new one.
[01:20 PM] Bob10110: Oh, bleh. We're still voting on this proposal, guys.
[01:20 PM] aturtledoesbite: [Vote: No] to scrap.
[01:20 PM] Bob10110: Turtle, you've already voted?
[01:20 PM] Precarious: agree with turtle [vote keep playing this game]
[01:20 PM] aturtledoesbite: I mean voting on scrapping this game
[01:20 PM] Bob10110: Oh.
[01:21 PM] adv0catus: Maybe it's a good idea. :)
[01:21 PM] aturtledoesbite: No, we play until the Resistance wins or loses.
[01:21 PM] adv0catus: Fine.
[01:21 PM] AdeebNafees: Voting no to scrapping the game because I have to and have dinner soon anyway.
[01:21 PM] Precarious: Okay, if Bob and I are both resistance, the remaining split is 2-2. If that's the case, sending three new people guarantees failure, and we won't be able to elicit much info. However, it might help in future missions
[01:21 PM] AdeebNafees: *have to have
[01:22 PM] Bob10110: So. Player list: Bob10110, aturtledoesbite, AdeebNafees, Precarious, djrockstar, BVOC.
[01:22 PM] AdeebNafees: And if both of you aren't?
[01:22 PM] Precarious: I'm trying to work out the possibilities
[01:22 PM] aturtledoesbite: Then sending three new people guarantees success.
[01:22 PM] djrockstar: The possibility of Both of them being scum is low
[01:22 PM] aturtledoesbite: If it's one, then the chance of success is 50/50
[01:22 PM] BVOC: What DJ said.
[01:22 PM] AdeebNafees: Then the remaining split is 1:3, which means that sending three new people may or may not guarantee success.
[01:23 PM] aturtledoesbite: The chance of them both being scum is 2/15
[01:23 PM] Bob10110: Might I also add in that, with votes for "No", Turtle and BVOC are probably the scum realizing we have another successful mission.
[01:23 PM] aturtledoesbite: Wait, no. 1/15
[01:23 PM] djrockstar: they can't privately communicate, so they couldn't have come up with the plane to make it success
[01:23 PM] BVOC: We aren't the only people who voted no, though.
[01:23 PM] Precarious: It seems that the best option might be to send one of me or Bob, and two new people
[01:23 PM] BVOC: I am 100% certain that I have no idea what turtle's alignment is.
[01:23 PM] adv0catus: I have: No - turtle, BVOC; Yes - Bob.
[01:24 PM] BVOC: Adeeb voted No
[01:24 PM] AdeebNafees: DJ, they could have seen each other in the chat and deduced that. Also, I don't think voting no on that should make you scum.
[01:24 PM] aturtledoesbite: Nah, let them think we're scum. They'll learn next mission we're clean.
[01:24 PM] Bob10110: Wait, Adeeb...okay
[01:24 PM] Precarious: Yeah, the original proposal is off the table
[01:24 PM] adv0catus: So the proposal is rejected.
[01:24 PM] BVOC: Making sure what I say is true... Hold on
[01:24 PM] AdeebNafees: You could be jumpy town, like I am.
[01:25 PM] adv0catus: ****, I've lost track because my attention is split.
[01:25 PM] BVOC: Yeah, just found it.
[01:25 PM] BVOC: Adeeb said no.
[01:25 PM] Bob10110: Okay, that was a long time ago
[01:25 PM] Bob10110: Wasn't bracketed so I didn't see it
[01:25 PM] adv0catus: Has proposal 2 been made yet?
[01:25 PM] Precarious: No
[01:25 PM] aturtledoesbite: Not yet.
[01:25 PM] adv0catus: Okay.
[01:26 PM] Precarious: We want to discuss before we make proposal 2, since once it's on the table, we have to take it or eliminate that combination
[01:26 PM] BVOC: So, we keep DJ as leader?
[01:26 PM] adv0catus: For this game, yes.
[01:26 PM] aturtledoesbite: DJ stays leader until M3
[01:26 PM] BVOC: Okay.
[01:26 PM] AdeebNafees: We can change leaders?
[01:26 PM] AdeebNafees: Oh.
[01:26 PM] djrockstar: I'm thinking of sending me, BVOC and turtle in. If its failure, we know that one of them is scum...well from my POV that is.
[01:26 PM] Precarious: So, here's what we have. DJ originally proposed himself, Bob, me
[01:26 PM] Bob10110: (Eh...this feels slightly weird to me, having played with a leader change after a mission is voted down.)
[01:27 PM] Precarious: DJ knows his own alignment, but he'd want to send himself regardless of what side he is, so that's indicative of nothing on its own
[01:27 PM] BVOC: "That one of them is scum"
[01:27 PM] BVOC: That might just be you DJ :P
[01:27 PM] djrockstar: like I said, from my POV.
[01:27 PM] BVOC: Right.
[01:27 PM] Precarious: BVOC/turtle/AN voted no on that mission, Bob voted yes
[01:27 PM] aturtledoesbite: Potatoes On Vacation?
[01:28 PM] Precarious: Concern was that one of me or Bob could be scum, and have played a gambit on mission 1
[01:28 PM] Bob10110: Well, I had more confidence in that mission and didn't think you guys would catch onto shooting missions down for more info so quickly =P
[01:28 PM] aturtledoesbite: Admission he was trying to slip it through.
[01:28 PM] Bob10110: Usually the first, second, and occasionally third proposals in a round get voted down to get more information from proposal/voting patterns.
[01:29 PM] djrockstar: catching info quickly is better than catching it when its too late
[01:29 PM] aturtledoesbite: Bob, we aren't your mafia group.
[01:29 PM] Bob10110: Yes, I realize this is new to a fair number of us.
[01:29 PM] aturtledoesbite: Well, your RL mafia group.
[01:29 PM] AdeebNafees: Including me :D
[01:30 PM] Precarious: Well, we might as well move on with this. Does anyone have any suggestions for DJ as to who we should send. Let's discuss something
[01:30 PM] Bob10110: Now, what's the proposed mission?
[01:30 PM] AdeebNafees: Well, I must say, this seems a bit more confusing to me than ordinary mafia what with no lynches. Maybe I like seeing people die and have their alignments revealed completely.
[01:30 PM] BVOC: :P
[01:30 PM] AdeebNafees: DJ hasn't decided yet, I think, Bob.
[01:30 PM] BVOC: He thought of himself, myself and turtle.
[01:31 PM] Bob10110: It's more of a logic game. If a mission failed, you know there's at least 1 spy in there for sure.
[01:31 PM] BVOC: But hasn't proposed anything yet.
[01:31 PM] djrockstar: I'm thinking about me BVOC and turtle, If its a failure -from my POV- one of them is spy
[01:31 PM] Bob10110: If a mission succeeded, you can't be entirely sure all the members were Resistance (unless it's the round to win the game, or a Spy's just being an idiot)
[01:31 PM] aturtledoesbite: Unless a resistance player is just being dumb, Bob.
[01:31 PM] AdeebNafees: So you try to find the intersecting point of those mission participant rosters?
[01:31 PM] AdeebNafees: The failed ones, I mean.
[01:31 PM] adv0catus: dj, you can have Bob or Precarious or both of them in the mission, but you can't have, you Bob AND Precarious in the same mission.
[01:32 PM] adv0catus: you, Bob*
[01:32 PM] Bob10110: Bleh. This makes things harder
[01:32 PM] Precarious: No Resistance player would ever vote failure, unless they really don't understand the game
[01:32 PM] rawismojo: (There's basically no reason for resistance to ever ever ever vote fail on a mission, aturtle)
[01:32 PM] aturtledoesbite: As I said, unless they were dumb.
[01:32 PM] AdeebNafees: Brain dead, more like.
[01:32 PM] Bob10110: Best bet's probably taking one of us between Bob/Prec, yourself, and one other player between Adeeb/Turtle/BVOC
[01:33 PM] aturtledoesbite: Well, yeah, but I was doing it in nicer terms.
[01:33 PM] Bob10110: Chances are both Prec/Bob are clear, from M1. You'll always want to play seeing yourself as Resistance, even if you're Spy.
[01:34 PM] Bob10110: Which leaves Adeeb, Turtle, and BVOC. Who between those three do you trust most?
[01:34 PM] Precarious: So, what's the best option between AN/Turtle/BVOC?
[01:34 PM] djrockstar: Turtle and BVOC seem suspicious and teamed IMO
[01:34 PM] aturtledoesbite: Obviously it's me, but I would be the one to say that.
[01:34 PM] BVOC: Teamed xD
[01:34 PM] Precarious: All three voted down the original proposal, but we know that at least one of them minimum is resistance
[01:34 PM] AdeebNafees: So I get a yay flag on myself? Cool.
[01:34 PM] BVOC: Lucky you :(
[01:34 PM] aturtledoesbite: Though, I'd be fine if BV went instead.
[01:35 PM] BVOC: Same with me and turtle going.
[01:35 PM] aturtledoesbite: I don't know about that AN guy, though.
[01:35 PM] djrockstar: aturtle, you want me to send BVOC... *cough* partners *cough
[01:35 PM] BVOC: I mean, me not going and turtle going.
[01:35 PM] AdeebNafees: Cheers, BV. Leave dem missions for the big men like me D.D
[01:35 PM] BVOC: :D
[01:36 PM] BVOC: I honestly want to not go on this mission.
[01:36 PM] Bob10110: ...I would say I smell a gambit, but I'm almost convinced now.
[01:36 PM] aturtledoesbite: So, who between Bob and Prec should go?
[01:36 PM] BVOC: I'd go with Prec myself.
[01:36 PM] djrockstar: I wanna say, both Bob and prec
[01:36 PM] Precarious: The other thing is, even if BVOC/turtle were the mafia, they wouldn't know it, so it would be a heavy gambit
[01:36 PM] djrockstar: along with AN
[01:36 PM] Bob10110: Scum know who each other are.
[01:37 PM] Precarious: They do?
[01:37 PM] adv0catus: Yes.
[01:37 PM] AdeebNafees: Yeah. adv0 said so.
[01:37 PM] BVOC: Huh. Did not know/read that.
[01:37 PM] Bob10110: There's two scum among us, and nobody's necessarily cleared.
[01:38 PM] aturtledoesbite: It's also in the wiki page: The Imperial Spies are made aware of each other without the Resistance members knowing
[01:38 PM] Bob10110: But the Resistance does have 1 point. Spies have a goose egg. =D
[01:38 PM] TheChaosNinja: (hello)
[01:38 PM] Bob10110: (Hey, TCN)
[01:38 PM] adv0catus: (Hi.)
[01:38 PM] AdeebNafees: :D But that means Imperials will want to be more active in having the missions fail now.
[01:38 PM] djrockstar: But Bob, the spies have 4 chances to turn that goose egg into a golden egg
[01:38 PM] Bob10110: 2 chances.
[01:38 PM] Bob10110: If we get to 3 points, Resistance wins.
[01:39 PM] djrockstar: As I said before: AN, Bob and Me/Prec. I'm not sure if I wanna send myself or Prec in tho
[01:39 PM] AdeebNafees: Guys, I might have to go soon.
[01:39 PM] AdeebNafees: Dinnertime :(
[01:39 PM] BVOC: :\
[01:40 PM] Bob10110: You want to trust yourself. If you're Resistance, it's information for you. If you're Spy, it's a chance to pin blame on someone else.
[01:40 PM] AdeebNafees: adv0, is it possible to replace me with TCN?
[01:40 PM] adv0catus: Yes.
[01:40 PM] AdeebNafees: Once I leave?
[01:40 PM] AdeebNafees: Like, I'll alert you guys.
[01:40 PM] aturtledoesbite: You're still in for now, though, right?
[01:40 PM] AdeebNafees: Oh crud. I have to leave. Very sorry for not finishing the game, guys.
[01:40 PM] Precarious: Don't worry about it
[01:40 PM] adv0catus: TCN, you there?
[01:40 PM] aturtledoesbite: I guess that means no. :P
[01:41 PM] BVOC: :P
[01:41 PM] adv0catus: TCN?
[01:41 PM] Precarious: Do we have someone else that could step in if TCN isn't available?
[01:41 PM] aturtledoesbite: May I PM him to see if he's there?
[01:41 PM] adv0catus: Yes.
[01:42 PM] To TheChaosNinja: Get your butt in Adv0's room and take AN's spot.
[01:43 PM] TheChaosNinja: Here/
[01:43 PM] aturtledoesbite: Good. You have AN's spot.
[01:43 PM] Bob10110: Player list: Bob10110, aturtledoesbite, TCN, Precarious, djrockstar, BVOC.
[01:43 PM] TheChaosNinja: Sorry. Was in a middle of a fight in RoTMG.
[01:43 PM] aturtledoesbite: Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resistance_(party_game)
[01:44 PM] Bob10110: Heh. Now I feel like joining you, TCN. What server? =P
[01:44 PM] TheChaosNinja: Not playing now.
[01:44 PM] TheChaosNinja: RoTMG, I mena.
[01:44 PM] Bob10110: Oh, okay.
[01:44 PM] adv0catus: You don't want to play?
[01:44 PM] TheChaosNinja: I meant RoTMG, adv0.
[01:44 PM] adv0catus: Okay.
[01:45 PM] adv0catus: Oh.
[01:45 PM] TheChaosNinja: So, what game are we p
[01:45 PM] TheChaosNinja: nvm
[01:45 PM] Bob10110: Resistance.
[01:46 PM] adv0catus: TCN, ask any questions that you have now, please.
[01:46 PM] Bob10110: It's vaguely Mafia-like in that there's informed scum against uninformed resistance.
[01:46 PM] TheChaosNinja: Is there lynching?
[01:46 PM] djrockstar: No
[01:46 PM] Bob10110: No. Players cannot be taken out of the game in any way; this game is played to 3 points.
[01:46 PM] TheChaosNinja: I said nvm because I saw the wiki page.
[01:47 PM] Bob10110: Points are earned by doing missions. Each round a Leader proposes people to go on a mission. If the mission is accepted by a majority, each player on the mission has a chance to sabotage.
[01:48 PM] Bob10110: If nobody sabotages, it's a point for Resistance. Scum will want to sabotage most, if not all, missions they are on because that's a point for the Spies (scum).
[01:48 PM] TheChaosNinja: I see.
[01:48 PM] TheChaosNinja: Does everyone go on a mission?
[01:49 PM] Bob10110: No. Only a certain number of us.
[01:49 PM] djrockstar: Alright
[01:49 PM] Precarious: We vote on who to send
[01:49 PM] aturtledoesbite: No. The round's leader nominates people to go.
[01:49 PM] aturtledoesbite: DJ is our current leader.
[01:49 PM] Bob10110: There's a table not far down that says how many people go each round.
[01:49 PM] TheChaosNinja: Affirmative.
[01:50 PM] djrockstar: Seeing how AN has been replaced by TCN, I don't wanna send him in yet. I think we should send in Bob, BVOC and turtle.
[01:50 PM] To adv0catus: Have you sent him his role?
[01:50 PM] Bob10110: So that's your second proposal, dj?
[01:50 PM] djrockstar: I can't say for sure
[01:51 PM] adv0catus: Yes. You two can't talk privately.  (reply)
[01:51 PM] Bob10110: When you do propose, surround it with brackets so we know.
[01:51 PM] djrockstar: I'm trying to see if we want information, or success
[01:51 PM] To adv0catus: I know.
[01:51 PM] djrockstar: That's not my proposal
[01:51 PM] Bob10110: (e.g. [propose Bob10110, Precarious] like I did first round)
[01:51 PM] adv0catus: Just making sure.  (reply)
[01:51 PM] adv0catus: Please [bracket] the proposal.
[01:51 PM] BVOC: As I said earlier, Bob's suspicious to me. Right now, I'll vote no to any group that includes him.
[01:52 PM] Bob10110: Eh. Even though I was in the first mission -- which I proposed, by the way -- and it succeeded?
[01:52 PM] BVOC: Yes.
[01:52 PM] djrockstar: The people we send in depends on if we want information or success
[01:53 PM] Precarious: Ideally, we want both, but I'm not sure how to guarantee either
[01:53 PM] AdeebNafees: I'm back. Guess I'll spectate :D
[01:53 PM] BVOC: Well, do you want info or success?
[01:53 PM] AdeebNafees: So, what happened M2?
[01:53 PM] TheChaosNinja: Nothing.
[01:53 PM] aturtledoesbite: We've done nothing yet, AN.
[01:53 PM] Bob10110: We're still to propose a second time here.
[01:53 PM] Precarious: This is a 3 person mission, with two 4 person missions remaining. Success is probably preferable given that split, but I think it's easier to guarantee info
[01:53 PM] mattmeister: What are we doing
[01:53 PM] mattmeister: /sign
[01:53 PM] aturtledoesbite: Honestly, if TCN doesn't mind, I say he can take his spot back.
[01:53 PM] djrockstar: I prefer Info, so we can succeed later.
[01:53 PM] aturtledoesbite: Matt, we're mid-game
[01:54 PM] mattmeister: Mid-game to what?
[01:54 PM] aturtledoesbite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resistance_(party_game)
[01:54 PM] aturtledoesbite: That.
[01:54 PM] mattmeister: This is a special crazy game
[01:54 PM] AdeebNafees: So nothing significant has happened? Drat. I should have stayed anyway.
[01:54 PM] BVOC: lol
[01:54 PM] Bob10110: Dj, I think we should go for success. If we fail, we get info.
[01:55 PM] TheChaosNinja: ^
[01:55 PM] Bob10110: If we succeed, then we still get info.
[01:55 PM] TheChaosNinja: All missions provide info.
[01:55 PM] Bob10110: Well, not bona fide 100% correct info, but it's telling us who's likely to be on our side.
[01:55 PM] djrockstar: the succeeded ones may provide wrong info tho, the scum may lie about failure to make them look proved
[01:56 PM] Bob10110: But that's giving up a point they could have earned. They usually don't want to do that.
[01:56 PM] Bob10110: It's a risky gambit.
[01:56 PM] mattmeister: So let me quick interject
[01:56 PM] TheChaosNinja: What if they have suspicion?
[01:56 PM] djrockstar: It's a effective gambit too tho
[01:56 PM] mattmeister: What's to stop the spies from dropping a spy card every mission?
[01:56 PM] rawismojo: They don't go on every mission.
[01:56 PM] rawismojo: Necessarily.
[01:56 PM] TheChaosNinja: Matt, please use brackets.
[01:57 PM] Bob10110: Well, if adv0 was playing strictly by the rules, we would be switching leaders every time a mission got voted down.
[01:57 PM] aturtledoesbite: They also don't necessarily want to fail the mission in case they want to be seen as the good guys.
[01:57 PM] Precarious: Also, the Wikipedia link is imperfect, since it's describing a card/board game, where this version is modified for chat
[01:57 PM] Bob10110: It's easy enough to keep the same mechanics.
[01:57 PM] aturtledoesbite: Prec, I'd hope we all have enough sense to convert.
[01:58 PM] Precarious: Yeah, but we don't have plot cards or whatever
[01:58 PM] Bob10110: True. We have a basic game here.
[01:58 PM] djrockstar: [Propose: Me, Bob and BVOC] BVOC and Bob talk in a town-ish way, so I think we should take them.
[01:58 PM] Precarious: I'm uncomfortable with BVOC, personally
[01:58 PM] aturtledoesbite: I don't like Bob's going on there. [Vote: No]
[01:59 PM] BVOC: As I said earlier I really don't mind not going, even though I know I'm resistance.
[01:59 PM] BVOC: And Bob's in so...
[01:59 PM] BVOC: [Vote: No]
[01:59 PM] Bob10110: [Vote: No.] I don't trust this setup.
[01:59 PM] djrockstar: turtle, it seems like you KNOW that Bob is gonna be town, thus lower the chance of scum winning
[01:59 PM] Precarious: I suspect that one of turtle and BVOC is Imperial, but I don't think both since I don't think they'd risk the appearance of partnering
[01:59 PM] adv0catus: The proposal is rejected.
[01:59 PM] TheChaosNinja: [Vote: No]
[01:59 PM] aturtledoesbite: No, I think Bob is scum.
[01:59 PM] mattmeister: [all of you are scum]
[02:00 PM] TheChaosNinja: I can't judge people yet.
[02:00 PM] BVOC: I'd go with Prec, TCN/Adeeb, and someone else personally.
[02:00 PM] BVOC: But I'm no leader.
[02:00 PM] AdeebNafees: (I will just pop in to say that I am super jelly of adv0 for getting so many players. I couldn't even get 5 a bit back for my new setup :( )
[02:00 PM] Bob10110: I'm no leader either, but I would say Prec/DJ/Adeeb is a mission we could probably all agree on...
[02:01 PM] BVOC: Yeah, I'd go with that.
[02:01 PM] aturtledoesbite: I'll agree to that.
[02:01 PM] TheChaosNinja: Yeah.
[02:01 PM] djrockstar: Okay then
[02:01 PM] TheChaosNinja: So, what do I do now?
[02:01 PM] djrockstar: [Propose: Me, TCN and Prec]
[02:01 PM] BVOC: [Vote: Yes]
[02:01 PM] Precarious: The ready unanimity probably means the mission will fail, but there's no way to assure a mission success here
[02:01 PM] aturtledoesbite: [Vote: Yea]
[02:01 PM] Bob10110: Hmm...
[02:01 PM] BVOC: Indeed.
[02:02 PM] TheChaosNinja: [Vote: Ydw (yes)]
[02:02 PM] Precarious: [vote no]
[02:02 PM] Bob10110: It's a WIFOM situation, Prec. Do the Spies think we'd be turning this down as well, or do they think that we'd think they know a Spy is in the mission.
[02:02 PM] Bob10110: ...I'm horribly confused.
[02:02 PM] BVOC: xD
[02:02 PM] Precarious: I think it's likely the spies will be voting in concert here
[02:03 PM] djrockstar: I'm more confused then you are
[02:03 PM] Bob10110: Not always.
[02:03 PM] adv0catus: Yes - 3, No - 1.
[02:03 PM] Precarious: I think one of BVOC/turtle is a spy, and I think one of DJ/TCN is a spy
[02:03 PM] aturtledoesbite: The leader can do a vote, right?
[02:03 PM] adv0catus: Yes.
[02:03 PM] Bob10110: Of course the leader can vote.
[02:03 PM] djrockstar: [Vote: Yes]
[02:04 PM] Bob10110: Well, that settles it then...
[02:04 PM] adv0catus: The proposal is accepted. The participants please message me whether the mission is successful or not.
(djrockstar voted Success.)
(Precarious voted Success.)
(TheChaosNinja voted Success.)
[02:04 PM] aturtledoesbite: (Making sure he knew that, since there's no reason for the leader to vote against his own mission)
[02:04 PM] Bob10110: (There are sometimes valid reasons.)
[02:05 PM] mattmeister: [what round is this]
[02:05 PM] BVOC: 2.
[02:05 PM] Bob10110: Mission #2.
[02:05 PM] Precarious: (Mission 2)
[02:05 PM] mattmeister: [who went on the last mission and did it succeed or fail?]
[02:06 PM] BVOC: TCN, prec, DJ.
[02:06 PM] BVOC: We don't know yet.
[02:06 PM] aturtledoesbite: [02:01 PM] djrockstar: [Propose: Me, TCN and Prec]
[02:06 PM] adv0catus: The mission is SUCCESSFUL.
[02:06 PM] Bob10110: Mission #1: Bob10110 proposed Bob + Prec. Succeeded.
[02:06 PM] djrockstar: AWWWW YEAH!!!!
[02:06 PM] BVOC: NICE.
[02:06 PM] Bob10110: Successful? Whoa.
[02:06 PM] Precarious: Wow, nice
[02:06 PM] TheChaosNinja: That's good.
[02:06 PM] djrockstar: I hope I'm not leader again
[02:06 PM] TheChaosNinja: So, who do we pick on now?
[02:06 PM] adv0catus: Precarious is the leader for Mission #3. The minimum number of participants is 4.
[02:06 PM] BVOC: You won't be dj.
[02:06 PM] djrockstar: I have terrible leadership skill
[02:07 PM] djrockstar: TCN, the leader is picked at random
[02:07 PM] Precarious: I'll say right off that I'm including myself, but now I'm not sure who I should trust
[02:07 PM] Precarious: So, what do we have?
[02:07 PM] Bob10110: Precarious, might I suggest that the four people who have gone on successful missions so far should go?
[02:07 PM] TheChaosNinja: I mean, we need someone who argues with someone for no good reason.
[02:07 PM] BVOC: He wants in to wreck it.
[02:07 PM] adv0catus: Activity check.  (reply)
[02:08 PM] djrockstar: BVOC, he has been in 2 missions, and both of them were success
[02:08 PM] To adv0catus: I'm here.
[02:08 PM] Bob10110: I wasn't in the second one.
[02:08 PM] Bob10110: M1: Bob+Prec. Success.
[02:08 PM] BVOC: ^
[02:08 PM] djrockstar: I thought BVOC was taking about Prec. Derp
[02:08 PM] BVOC: Naw :P
[02:08 PM] Bob10110: M2: Prec+DJ+TCN. Success.
[02:08 PM] Bob10110: Doesn't necessarily clear us all out, but odds are looking pretty dang good
[02:09 PM] Precarious: I'll take that under consideration
[02:09 PM] aturtledoesbite: So the likely suspects for Imperial are BV and me? Lovely.
[02:09 PM] BVOC: :\
[02:09 PM] Bob10110: To be honest, neither of you have gone on missions yet.
[02:09 PM] Precarious: However, if we assume that all four are cleared, then BVOC + turtle are spies. I'm not completely convinced of that, so what do they have to say
[02:09 PM] Bob10110: Look at that how you will.
[02:09 PM] BVOC: Right.
[02:10 PM] adv0catus: If the Resistance is successful with one more mission, they win.  (reply)
[02:10 PM] BVOC: I know that I'm resistance, but if you don't trust me, I'm not gonna shove it in your mouth.
[02:10 PM] To adv0catus: I know.
[02:10 PM] djrockstar: Prec, I recommend taking all four of us. Taht way if BVOC or Turtle are indeed spy, we win. If not, well we have something to discuss
[02:10 PM] Precarious: Also worth noting is that this is a four player mission; we need to have all four resistance to get it correct
[02:10 PM] Bob10110: Don't forget. M4 will be sending 3 people, so we could probably try the same combination from M2.
[02:10 PM] Precarious: Next mission is 3 people
[02:10 PM] TheChaosNinja: Sorry. Was unexpectdidly AFK
[02:10 PM] Precarious: Is there anything that gives us useful info?
[02:11 PM] Bob10110: Voting patterns, proposal patterns.
[02:11 PM] Bob10110: Turtle and BVOC have done very similar things throughout.
[02:11 PM] TheChaosNinja: So, who's going on a mission.
[02:11 PM] Bob10110: Heck, turtle and BVOC were even alright if the other one went on a mission.
[02:11 PM] BVOC: Because you're suspect to me :P
[02:11 PM] Precarious: I mean, Bob, is there a player combination that best reveals possibilities
[02:11 PM] Bob10110: Hmm.
[02:12 PM] djrockstar: Like I said before, BVOC and turtle seem like a team. A scum team that is
[02:12 PM] djrockstar: They are find if one of them goes on a mission
[02:12 PM] BVOC: Don't pick me then.
[02:12 PM] Bob10110: Assume that there was a Spy gambit, and one of those two supsicious folks over there is *actually* Resistance.
[02:12 PM] BVOC: And fail the next mission.
[02:12 PM] Precarious: I still think one of BVOC/turtle is a spy and one isn't; I'm just skeptical they'd partner obviously
[02:12 PM] TheChaosNinja: Turtle has yet to be on a mission.
[02:12 PM] mattmeister: [Are we allowed to make suggestions?]
[02:12 PM] aturtledoesbite: No, Matt. You don't exist.
[02:12 PM] mattmeister: [WAHHHHH]
[02:13 PM] BVOC: I'm thinking like Prec honestly.
[02:13 PM] adv0catus: (matt, you casn't interfere.)
[02:13 PM] adv0catus: can't*
[02:13 PM] mattmeister: [well hurry up, we're getting bored here ;_;]
[02:13 PM] Bob10110: There is a reasonable chance if a Spy gambit was made that it was from me. Not sure why a Spy would keep the gambit going in M2.
[02:13 PM] aturtledoesbite: I'm going to let you guys discuss things, since I'm bad at this kind of thing.
[02:13 PM] BVOC: Me too turtle :P
[02:13 PM] Precarious: I'll recommend the four mission players if we think that it will reveal useful info if it fails. If it succeeds, obviously info is irrelevant
[02:14 PM] TheChaosNinja: If success, we win.
[02:14 PM] Precarious: Exactly
[02:14 PM] Bob10110: And if fail, we propose 3 people. Same three people from M2.
[02:14 PM] TheChaosNinja: That sounds like a good plan.
[02:14 PM] BVOC: Sounds good to me.
[02:15 PM] aturtledoesbite: I'll go with that.
[02:15 PM] Precarious: Alright then: [proposal: me, Bob, DJ, TCN]
[02:15 PM] aturtledoesbite: [vote yea
[02:15 PM] aturtledoesbite: *}
[02:15 PM] aturtledoesbite: **]
[02:15 PM] BVOC: [Vote: Yes]
[02:15 PM] Bob10110: ...hmm
[02:15 PM] TheChaosNinja: [Vote: Yes]
[02:15 PM] djrockstar: [Vote: Yes]
[02:15 PM] adv0catus: The proposal is successful.
[02:15 PM] Bob10110: Suspicious, but [Vote: Yes] anyways regardless.
[02:15 PM] adv0catus: Participants privately message me to tell me if the mission is successful.
(Precarious voted Success.)
(Bob10110 voted Success.)
(djrockstar voted Success.)
(TheChaosNinja voted Failure.)
[02:16 PM] adv0catus: The mission was UNSUCCESSFUL.
[02:16 PM] Bob10110: Wait, what.
[02:16 PM] djrockstar: WHAAT?
[02:16 PM] Bob10110: ...
[02:16 PM] TheChaosNinja: Boys, we got a spy here.
[02:16 PM] adv0catus: aturtledoesbite is the leader for Mission #4.
[02:16 PM] aturtledoesbite: Oh, great.
[02:16 PM] Precarious: Not at all surprised. If turtle and BVOC were the spies, they never would have voted so readily
[02:17 PM] aturtledoesbite: So who should go up this time?
[02:17 PM] BVOC: Still pretty darn sure Bob's a spy.
[02:17 PM] Bob10110: No idea why they'd upvote the mission, that was a silly vote.
[02:17 PM] BVOC: Let's go with the same team as in #2?
[02:17 PM] Bob10110: Now I'm not so sure.
[02:17 PM] aturtledoesbite: Same team as 2? You guys agree?
[02:17 PM] adv0catus: raw has informed me.
[02:18 PM] TheChaosNinja: #2 sounds risky.
[02:18 PM] Bob10110: Because I still know myself to be Resistance, and there's a spy in there.
[02:18 PM] Precarious: This is the critical mission, tomorrow we'll need all four resistance
[02:18 PM] adv0catus: 3 votes were for success, 1 vote was for failure.
[02:18 PM] Precarious: We shouldn't act rashly here
[02:18 PM] Precarious: Oh wow, thanks adv0
[02:18 PM] djrockstar: so there is only 1 among the 4
[02:18 PM] aturtledoesbite: Are we allowed to know that?
[02:18 PM] rawismojo: (Yeah, that should be public info every mission)
[02:18 PM] Precarious: We therefore know assuredly that one of BVOC/turtle is a spy, and one isn't
[02:18 PM] djrockstar: which means one of BVOC/turlte ARE spy
[02:18 PM] Bob10110: Yes, we are allowed to know that.
[02:18 PM] aturtledoesbite: Oh, huh.
[02:19 PM] Bob10110: Yes. One of them is definitely Resistance, but who. They're following each other so closely.
[02:19 PM] BVOC: So how does #2 sound now?
[02:19 PM] BVOC: Just asking so we can try or move on to other ideas.
[02:19 PM] Bob10110: I will downvote that proposal if it gets made. Saying this right now.
[02:19 PM] TheChaosNinja: I'm not sure.
[02:19 PM] Precarious: BVOC has been pushing #2 hard
[02:19 PM] TheChaosNinja: ^
[02:19 PM] BVOC: Okay. We can change it then.
[02:20 PM] aturtledoesbite: Okay. If we're not doing the same as M2, who should we send?
[02:20 PM] Bob10110: Let's look at this carefully.
[02:20 PM] TheChaosNinja: Turtle has yet to be on a mission.
[02:20 PM] djrockstar: depends on if you want info or higher chances of success
[02:20 PM] Bob10110: If we succeed, we win.
[02:20 PM] aturtledoesbite: BV has yet to be on a mission too.
[02:20 PM] Bob10110: Or did you forget that? ;)
[02:20 PM] TheChaosNinja: That too.
[02:20 PM] djrockstar: if you are looking for success, I volunteer
[02:21 PM] Bob10110: So...M2 group, but replace Adeeb with Turtle, then?
[02:21 PM] Bob10110: Adeeb's been lurking a bit
[02:21 PM] Precarious: Adeeb is TCN now
[02:21 PM] TheChaosNinja: I'm adeeb.
[02:21 PM] AdeebNafees: Because Adeeb's been replaced. Derp.
[02:21 PM] aturtledoesbite: Bob, he was replaced with TCN.
[02:21 PM] Bob10110: Oh wait.
[02:21 PM] Bob10110: Derp.
[02:22 PM] BVOC: :P
[02:22 PM] AdeebNafees: (Sorry for the lack of parenths)
[02:22 PM] aturtledoesbite: So that would be Prec, DJ, and me?
[02:22 PM] aturtledoesbite: Is everyone okay with that?
[02:22 PM] adv0catus: (Modkill Adeeb for inactivity. gtfo.)
[02:22 PM] Bob10110: Lol adv0.
[02:22 PM] Precarious: lol
[02:22 PM] BVOC: xD
[02:22 PM] TheChaosNinja: *gurk*
[02:22 PM] Bob10110: You can't modkill in a Resistance game!
[02:22 PM] Bob10110: XD
[02:22 PM] adv0catus: /kick Bob10110
[02:22 PM] aturtledoesbite: Sure he can.
[02:22 PM] TheChaosNinja: Yes he can.
[02:22 PM] aturtledoesbite: He went on a bad mission.
[02:22 PM] TheChaosNinja: It's execution.
[02:23 PM] Bob10110: Bah, whatever.
[02:23 PM] TheChaosNinja: Back to the game...
[02:23 PM] BVOC: Prec/DJ/turtle sounds fine to me
[02:23 PM] djrockstar: it sounds go0od to me
[02:23 PM] Precarious: BVOC approves, even though either he or turtle is mafia
[02:23 PM] aturtledoesbite: If it fails, what does that mean?
[02:24 PM] Precarious: If it fails, we have to get mission 5 right
[02:24 PM] TheChaosNinja: Then the next mission will be the final one.
[02:24 PM] Bob10110: If this mission gets sabotaged, the leader needs to set up a mission with all four Resistance.
[02:24 PM] djrockstar: it also means that turtle, me or pre are scum
[02:24 PM] Precarious: I recommend me/turtle/someone other than DJ
[02:24 PM] aturtledoesbite: In terms of alignment, I mean.
[02:24 PM] BVOC: Replace DJ with TCN then.
[02:24 PM] Precarious: Hmmm
[02:24 PM] djrockstar: As resistance, I do not care if I go or not, I'mfine with TCN replacing me
[02:25 PM] Bob10110: Analyzing the missions. M1 was myself and Prec, which succeeded.
[02:25 PM] Bob10110: Prec also went on M2, with TCN and Dj. It succeeded, so I doubt Prec would be a Spy attempting a ridiculously risky gambit
[02:25 PM] adv0catus: Derp.
[02:25 PM] adv0catus: I just refreshed.
[02:25 PM] hamuka: This game is long
[02:25 PM] adv0catus: Accidentally.
[02:25 PM] hamuka: VERY long
[02:25 PM] aturtledoesbite: Nice job, Adv0.
[02:25 PM] adv0catus: yay no super long chat log.
[02:25 PM] Bob10110: Lol.
[02:26 PM] hamuka: Seriously, I think this started 2 hours ago
[02:26 PM] Bob10110: So, my suspicions are mostly removed from Prec.
[02:26 PM] aturtledoesbite: Hour and a half.
[02:26 PM] djrockstar: b-b-but I like super long chat log :3
[02:26 PM] Precarious: I'll just say what I'm thinking
[02:26 PM] Bob10110: One between Dj and TCN is scum, and one between Turtle and BVOC is scum.
[02:26 PM] adv0catus: (If someone else provides the log, I can fill in votes.)
[02:26 PM] AdeebNafees: (Also, once this is over, can I host that 5P I have been dying to host? it should be comparatively shorter.)
[02:26 PM] adv0catus: (/in)
[02:26 PM] aturtledoesbite: (/sign)
[02:27 PM] mattmeister: [sign]
[02:27 PM] djrockstar: (AN I /sign for your 5p)
[02:27 PM] Precarious: BVOC approved sending a mission with turtle, even though one of them is a spy. If BVOC is resistance, then he was knowingly sending a spy
[02:27 PM] Maik50: I'll tell you who's the scum here
[02:27 PM] Maik50: It's me
[02:27 PM] AdeebNafees: (:D Now concentrate on the game, guys.)
[02:27 PM] AdeebNafees: (Maik, shut up. We know you are scum already :D)
[02:27 PM] aturtledoesbite: And resistance wouldn't send a spy if they could help it.
[02:27 PM] BVOC: Prec, that should clear me up then.
[02:27 PM] BVOC: That's what I'm hoping.
[02:27 PM] Maik50: (okay, no longer any intervene)
[02:27 PM] AdeebNafees: (Maik, you lazy, lazy Imperialist.)
[02:27 PM] djrockstar: the thing is, resistance doesn't know tha tsomeone is a SPY
[02:28 PM] Bob10110: We have only our behaviors to go off of.
[02:28 PM] Precarious: ACtually, BVOC, I think that strongly suggests you're a spy
[02:28 PM] TheChaosNinja: ^
[02:28 PM] BVOC: :(
[02:28 PM] BVOC: Oh well.
[02:28 PM] Precarious: Because you approved a course that if resistance, you knew would fail
[02:28 PM] Precarious: More likely, that means you know one of the three recommended is also a spy
[02:29 PM] BVOC: I don't know a darn thing though :\
[02:29 PM] Precarious: Because turtle can't be a spy if you are, that seems to clear him
[02:29 PM] Precarious: Unless you really didn't think things through as resistance, taht's where we stand
[02:29 PM] djrockstar: Who is the leader right now?
[02:29 PM] aturtledoesbite: I am.
[02:29 PM] BVOC: Turtle.
[02:29 PM] TheChaosNinja: Turtle is.
[02:29 PM] Precarious: My suspicion is therefore on DJ as your partner, although you were very willing to switch to TCN
[02:30 PM] Bob10110: It's a WIFOM situation, Prec. Where's the poison.
[02:30 PM] Precarious: Unfortunately
[02:30 PM] braves055: (hi)
[02:30 PM] aturtledoesbite: Personally, I don't trust TCN/AN.
[02:30 PM] adv0catus: (hey, you.)
[02:30 PM] Bob10110: (Hey braves.)
[02:30 PM] TheChaosNinja: Why not?
[02:30 PM] Precarious: So what does everyone think?
[02:30 PM] aturtledoesbite: Gut feeling, mostly.
[02:31 PM] djrockstar: Like I said before, if you are suspicious of me, don't send me in. If I was scum, I'd wanna get into every mission, but as resistance, I do not need to go to every mission
[02:31 PM] aturtledoesbite: Though, my gut is more saying "feed me" than anything else right now.
[02:31 PM] BVOC: The only thing I'm 99% sure is that Bob is a spy.
[02:31 PM] BVOC: I have absolutely no idea who's the second one.
[02:31 PM] Bob10110: As Resistance you will need to get into M3 and M5, or you'll realize a Spy is in the mission and will sabotage it.
[02:31 PM] Precarious: Why do you think Bob is a spy?
[02:31 PM] BVOC: Honestly it comes down to mission #1.
[02:32 PM] BVOC: Pretty sure he intentionally won it for the resistance.
[02:32 PM] Precarious: Who's the leader this round?
[02:32 PM] BVOC: Turtle
[02:32 PM] TheChaosNinja: Turtle.
[02:32 PM] TheChaosNinja: So, what do have proposed?
[02:32 PM] aturtledoesbite: I AM YO' LEADER.
[02:32 PM] Bob10110: Take us to your leader. =3
[02:32 PM] aturtledoesbite: I ROOL DIS JOINT!
[02:33 PM] adv0catus: (I read that as roll and joint in a different context.)
[02:33 PM] djrockstar: When I said "I'm okay if I get replaced by TCN" I am not saying I am sure that TCN is resistance. Just wanted to point that out
[02:33 PM] aturtledoesbite: XD
[02:33 PM] aturtledoesbite: Personally, I think we should go with Prec, DJ, and me. Agree?
[02:33 PM] Bob10110: Eh...
[02:34 PM] BVOC: I say yes.
[02:34 PM] TheChaosNinja: No.
[02:34 PM] Precarious: One thing that is interesting is that while BVOC's original vote was suspicious, there was a consistent focus on Bob
[02:34 PM] Bob10110: I'm wavering here.
[02:34 PM] TheChaosNinja: I actually suspect DJ as spy.
[02:34 PM] Precarious: He switched the lineup from DJ to TCN, when I don't think both of them can be a spy
[02:34 PM] Precarious: But didn't switch to Bob
[02:34 PM] BVOC: That has come to me too, TCN.
[02:34 PM] Bob10110: I'll say it again, it's split between TCN/DJ, and between Turtle/BVOC.
[02:35 PM] TheChaosNinja: Because the only mission he's been on was a fail.
[02:35 PM] Bob10110: Unless Prec's got some master Spy gambit going on, which is hugely unlikely.
[02:35 PM] djrockstar: TCN, I've been on 2 missions
[02:35 PM] TheChaosNinja: Oh?
[02:35 PM] djrockstar: One of them was a success -.-
[02:35 PM] djrockstar: M2 and M3
[02:35 PM] TheChaosNinja: Forgot about that.
[02:35 PM] djrockstar: get yo facts righ' yo!
[02:35 PM] Precarious: Bob, I note you left yourself out of the TCN/DJ split
[02:35 PM] Precarious: Even though all four of us failed mission 3
[02:35 PM] Bob10110: Point of view.
[02:36 PM] Precarious: In that case, what do you suggest?
[02:36 PM] Bob10110: Feel free to put me in the TCN/DJ split, because that's your point of view. It's pretty hard to say which of us is scum.
[02:36 PM] aturtledoesbite: Bob, if you were leader, what group would you propose?
[02:36 PM] Bob10110: Personally, I'm leaning towards BVOC and DJ being the scum...but I can't be sure.
[02:36 PM] TheChaosNinja: ^
[02:37 PM] Precarious: THe only thing we know with 100% certainty, is that one of BVOC/turtle is a spy, and one isn't, and that one of the remaining four is a spy, and one isn't
[02:37 PM] TheChaosNinja: brb, need toilet.
[02:38 PM] Precarious: Actually
[02:38 PM] Precarious: even that's not technically true
[02:38 PM] Bob10110: We know at least one if not both of BVOC/Turtle is innocent.
[02:38 PM] Precarious: Correct
[02:38 PM] aturtledoesbite: One of the spies could have yea'd the mission.
[02:38 PM] Precarious: Exactly
[02:39 PM] djrockstar: No
[02:39 PM] djrockstar: It would be the stupidest trick to say yeah to that mission
[02:39 PM] TheChaosNinja: Back.
[02:39 PM] Bob10110: Why is that?
[02:39 PM] Precarious: I'm going to take a risk and assume that BVOC's "oh well" essentially functions as a spy confession, so I trust turtle FOR THIS MISSION ONLY
[02:39 PM] djrockstar: since if it was actually success, the spies would have lost
[02:40 PM] Precarious: So who do we want to send?
[02:40 PM] djrockstar: we wanna send 3 resistance DUH!
[02:40 PM] Bob10110: Here's my opinion: Don't trust BVOC or Dj. That being said, you can't fully trust me either but I will accept that for M4 since you don't need me.
[02:40 PM] aturtledoesbite: I honestly don't know anymore.
[02:40 PM] TheChaosNinja: I suspect it's BVOC or DJ.
[02:41 PM] Bob10110: Or? Why not both?
[02:41 PM] aturtledoesbite: Well, if we don't trust BV, DJ, and Bob, that leaves me, TCN, and Prec.
[02:41 PM] TheChaosNinja: Thought may change depending turtle.
[02:41 PM] djrockstar: I'm gonna agree with that suggestion, turtle
[02:41 PM] Precarious: Give me one moment, I need to scroll up
[02:43 PM] Precarious: Okay, on the day that failed, the first two yes votes were turtle/BVOC
[02:43 PM] Bob10110: Who voted first?
[02:43 PM] Precarious: The second two were TCN/DJ
[02:43 PM] aturtledoesbite: That was far longer than a moment. :P
[02:43 PM] BVOC: I think I was the first.
[02:43 PM] aturtledoesbite: I thought I was.
[02:43 PM] Precarious: I think Bob is innocent
[02:44 PM] aturtledoesbite: I figured that since we needed only one more point to win, a point for the spies would have made the game more fun.
[02:44 PM] aturtledoesbite: So I said to hell with it and yea'd it.
[02:44 PM] Precarious: ?
[02:44 PM] BVOC: Yep, I voted first.
[02:45 PM] aturtledoesbite: Well, if I'm resistance, then someone in there had to be spy.
[02:45 PM] BVOC: Although it was a pretty fast vote.
[02:45 PM] Bob10110: ...someone in there has to be spy regardless.
[02:45 PM] TheChaosNinja: So, do we have a plan?
[02:45 PM] aturtledoesbite: Bob, I mean when I voted to accept the mission.
[02:45 PM] Precarious: We have to be extremely careful. We need 3 today, but 4 tomorrow
[02:45 PM] djrockstar: Sorry, I was kinda AFK
[02:45 PM] Precarious: So this is the one we likely have to get right
[02:45 PM] aturtledoesbite: I figured that we might as well go another day.
[02:47 PM] Bob10110: We never want to throw days away as Resistance. NEVER.
[02:47 PM] aturtledoesbite: Oh. Well, I'll keep that in mind for next game.
[02:47 PM] aturtledoesbite: >_<
[02:47 PM] Precarious: BVOC, let's say you were innocent. Why would you have voted for a mission for turtle?
[02:48 PM] BVOC: Because if it fails then I'm pretty much clear.
[02:48 PM] BVOC: Or am I thinking this all wrong?
[02:48 PM] Bob10110: Eh. It's our behavior that we have to go off of eventually.
[02:48 PM] aturtledoesbite: Not necessarily.
[02:49 PM] Precarious: Someone else on the mission could sabotage
[02:49 PM] Bob10110: We can't clear 4 people 100% during the course of the game.
[02:49 PM] BVOC: I really wish I could take part on the mission but I'm no person to pressure y'all to take me.
[02:49 PM] djrockstar: All I know is that its 2 am here, and I need to go eat, so I'm just gonna vote yes on everything.
[02:49 PM] Precarious: Okay, I'm going to trust my instincts here, and recommend Bob/Me/Turtle, but I'd be willing to hear reasons that's a bad idea
[02:49 PM] BVOC: I'm obviously gonna say no to this :)
[02:49 PM] adv0catus: djrockstar is voting YES.
[02:49 PM] Precarious: This isn't a vote
[02:50 PM] Bob10110: Turtle's the leader anyways.
[02:50 PM] Bob10110: He'll want to suggest himself, certainly.
[02:50 PM] Precarious: To my knowledge, turtle hasn't proposed anything yet
[02:50 PM] aturtledoesbite: Prec, he was just saying that we can assume there's a Yes - 1 when we start proposal.
[02:50 PM] aturtledoesbite: I think.
[02:50 PM] adv0catus: Read what he said, I was just repeating it, to make it "official".
[02:50 PM] Bob10110: Prec's most likely Resistance, so I can trust him.
[02:50 PM] djrockstar: I'll be giving feedback an' all, but I'll vote yes on propsals
[02:51 PM] aturtledoesbite: I'd put money on Prec being Resistance, too.
[02:51 PM] Bob10110: If we find a third Resistance (assuming Turtle is clear), we've won.
[02:51 PM] djrockstar: Prec has 2 missions passed, if he was scum he would have failed 2 of the threee missions he has been in. I'm pretty sure he is resistance
[02:52 PM] BVOC: Else it'd be a huge risk he'd be taking.
[02:52 PM] Precarious: My main reason for believing Bob is that BVOC doesn't recommend him
[02:52 PM] djrockstar: brb for a quick second
[02:52 PM] djrockstar: back
[02:52 PM] Bob10110: That WAS a second. =P
[02:52 PM] Bob10110: Usually when people say that they come back more than 1 second later
[02:53 PM] Precarious: If we assume turtle is clear, then mission failure would implicate Bob.
[02:53 PM] aturtledoesbite: He could simply be trying to be distancing himself from his partner.
[02:53 PM] AdeebNafees: (Five seconds, to be exact)
[02:53 PM] Precarious: So how confident is everyone that BVOC is a spy?
[02:53 PM] Bob10110: It's WIFOM, guys.
[02:53 PM] AdeebNafees: (Also, I will go soon, so I mightn't be able to host the mafia. Sorry if that happens.)
[02:53 PM] Bob10110: I'm fairly confident. 85% sure.
[02:53 PM] aturtledoesbite: I'm obviously 100% sure, since it's either him or me.
[02:53 PM] adv0catus: This is getting a bit excessive. I'm all for discussion, but this game is getting ridiculously long. If a proposal isn't made within 10 minutes, the RNG will decide.
[02:53 PM] djrockstar: I'm 3/5 confident that he is spy
[02:53 PM] Precarious: I'd be willing to vote me/Bob/turtle then
[02:54 PM] TheChaosNinja: I'd go for that.
[02:54 PM] aturtledoesbite: Prec, Bob, and Turtle? That sounds like a good idea to me.
[02:54 PM] djrockstar: I'll agree to that
[02:54 PM] aturtledoesbite: [Propose: Precarious, Bob10110, aturtledoesbite]
[02:54 PM] TheChaosNinja: [Vote: Yes
[02:54 PM] aturtledoesbite: [Vote: Yes]
[02:54 PM] djrockstar: [Vote: Yes]
[02:54 PM] Precarious: [vote: yes]
[02:55 PM] djrockstar: brb for a quick minute
[02:55 PM] adv0catus: The proposal is successful.
[02:55 PM] adv0catus: All participants message me.
[02:55 PM] BVOC: Can't wait to see the results on that.
(Precarious voted Success.)
(Bob10110 voted Success.)
(aturtledoesbite voted Failure.)
[02:55 PM] rawismojo: Badges up on bit Dungeon
[02:55 PM] AdeebNafees: (Hurray!)
[02:55 PM] adv0catus: Cool, raw.
[02:55 PM] Bob10110: (Woot.)
[02:55 PM] Precarious: :)
[02:55 PM] aturtledoesbite: Eh. I didn't like that game so much.
[02:55 PM] AdeebNafees: (Sounds awesomely familiar.)
[02:55 PM] TheChaosNinja: No talking at night, raw.
[02:55 PM] aturtledoesbite: Oh well.
[02:55 PM] adv0catus: The mission is UNSUCCESSFUL with 1 vote.
[02:55 PM] aturtledoesbite: There is no night, TCN
[02:55 PM] djrockstar: Back
[02:55 PM] braves055: (woohaw!)
[02:56 PM] Bob10110: =S
[02:56 PM] djrockstar: FFFFFFUUUUU
[02:56 PM] aturtledoesbite: ...Oh, crud.
[02:56 PM] adv0catus: BVOC is the leader for Mission #5.
[02:56 PM] BVOC: lolololol
[02:56 PM] aturtledoesbite: Double-crud.
[02:56 PM] BVOC: Thanks for making this a painful thing adv0.
[02:56 PM] TheChaosNinja: We got some trouble here.
[02:56 PM] aturtledoesbite: So, I'd say there's a fairly high chance of it being Bob/BV.
[02:57 PM] BVOC: Looks like no matter what I say spies are gonna eventually win this.
[02:57 PM] aturtledoesbite: Exactly how high, that's up to you.
[02:57 PM] TheChaosNinja: I still reckon it's DJ.
[02:57 PM] Precarious: [vote: kick BVOC as leader]
[02:57 PM] TheChaosNinja: I think BVOC is innocent.
[02:57 PM] BVOC: That hurts prec :(
[02:57 PM] Bob10110: ...hmm.
[02:57 PM] Precarious: Unlikely, given your "looks like spies are going to win thing"
[02:58 PM] TheChaosNinja: [Vote: Pucnh BVOC as leader]
[02:58 PM] BVOC: I'd like to know everyone's stance on me. Because, evidently, nothing I'll say will change a thing.
[02:58 PM] TheChaosNinja: *punch
[02:58 PM] Bob10110: There's still a chance you're not scum, at least in my eyes.
[02:58 PM] aturtledoesbite: Well, BV, it's either me or you as spy, and since I know my alignment, that kinda leaves you as spy.
[02:58 PM] Bob10110: But it's pretty low.
[02:58 PM] Precarious: I think you're a spy because you voted for a mission with turtle. If you were resistance, you would knowingly have voted in a spy
[02:59 PM] Precarious: You know your own alignment, and it's almost certainly opposite turtle's
[02:59 PM] TheChaosNinja: If BVOC is spy, then it has to be Bob has his cohort.
[02:59 PM] Bob10110: But what about when they BOTH voted yes for M3?
[02:59 PM] Bob10110: Neither one of them was in it.
[02:59 PM] BVOC: Initially that mission was supposed to clear me. But since you picked bob as well, no one can be sure at all.
[02:59 PM] BVOC: That's the thing.
[02:59 PM] BVOC: I KNOW I'm resistance.
[02:59 PM] TheChaosNinja: But we don't know that.
[02:59 PM] Precarious: That neither was in mission 3 was demonstrative that they weren't scum partners
[02:59 PM] BVOC: I know that.
[02:59 PM] aturtledoesbite: As I said, Bob, I wanted the game to last a bit longer. Forgive me for it being my first time.
[03:00 PM] Precarious: Since if they were, that four would have won the game
[03:00 PM] Precarious: Anyway, we all know our own alignments
[03:00 PM] Precarious: One of Bob and turtle is a spy
[03:01 PM] BVOC: I'm pretty much certain both Prec and TCN are clear.
[03:01 PM] Precarious: As I said, if BVOC is a spy, that clears turtle, but if BVOC is innocent, then turtle is a spy
[03:01 PM] aturtledoesbite: I'd say one of Prec and Bob is a spy, but I'm fairly sure Prec's clear, so I say Bob.
[03:01 PM] Bob10110: I'm actually vaguely suspicious of Prec...but the odds don't favor that sort of mindgame, darn it.
[03:01 PM] djrockstar: Really guys, really? YUNO think that I'm spy, that way you won't think my partner is spy, BUS me FFS nob partnar!
[03:02 PM] Precarious: what
[03:02 PM] TheChaosNinja: Red Dwarf is on TV.
[03:02 PM] TheChaosNinja: I might be a little inactive.
[03:02 PM] Bob10110: You've been in both rounds that failed, after all. You are quite likely to be Resistance, but there is a chance you are spy. At least as much as I have that same chance.
[03:03 PM] BVOC: I really don't know what to make of this.
[03:03 PM] Precarious: Here's what we know, we know who was on the missions that succeeded and failed AND we know a single fail capsized missions 3 and 4
[03:03 PM] mattmeister: [ffs come on]
[03:03 PM] djrockstar: The thing is, the missions I was int hat failed, if they succeded, I would've lost!
[03:03 PM] djrockstar: M2 wasn't that important since that wasn't Insta-loss for me :3
[03:04 PM] djrockstar: so it succeded
[03:04 PM] Precarious: One of TCN/DJ is 100% clear, and its very likely they're both clear
[03:04 PM] aturtledoesbite: So, DJ is roleclaiming Imperial?
[03:04 PM] djrockstar: turtle, I am
[03:04 PM] Bob10110: That makes me so horribly confused.
[03:04 PM] Bob10110: The game isn't done yet?
[03:05 PM] TheChaosNinja: I figured DJ is scum.
[03:05 PM] aturtledoesbite: Well, this could work. Bob could be the other Imperial, with me, Prec, TCN, and BV as clear.
[03:05 PM] djrockstar: Even if you know that I'm imperial, finding out who is my partner is gonna be horribly difficult :3
[03:05 PM] BVOC: Turtle, I've been thinking that too.
[03:05 PM] Bob10110: My point of view is Prec or Turtle being scum.
[03:06 PM] adv0catus: 10 minutes.
[03:06 PM] Precarious: Not really DJ, given that we know that one of us last mission was scum, which means BVOC and TCN are completely clear
[03:06 PM] djrockstar: good point
[03:06 PM] Precarious: We also know that only one person sabotaged each mission
[03:07 PM] djrockstar: I should've thought about this more, sorry scum partner
[03:07 PM] Precarious: Which means it was probably you who sabotaged mission 3
[03:07 PM] adv0catus: BVOC, you have 9 minutes to make a proposal.
[03:07 PM] BVOC: Okay.
[03:07 PM] djrockstar: not saying pre is my scum partner btw
[03:08 PM] Precarious: Mission 3...was myself, Bob, TCN, DJ
[03:09 PM] Precarious: If DJ sabotaged mission 3 it clears Bob...unless Bob and DJ are scummates
[03:09 PM] Precarious: adv0, can the imperials communicate via whisper?
[03:09 PM] aturtledoesbite: They can't.
[03:09 PM] djrockstar: we can't
[03:09 PM] aturtledoesbite: It's in the wiki page.
[03:09 PM] Precarious: Then, turtle is almost certainly the other spy
[03:09 PM] BVOC: Bob, knowing DJ was in, would've intentionally said "Yes", also knowing DJ would say "No"
[03:10 PM] BVOC: In mission 3
[03:10 PM] Precarious: Hmm
[03:10 PM] BVOC: That's my take.
[03:10 PM] Precarious: True
[03:10 PM] Bob10110: Sorry, was in a PM conversation discussing Kongregate rules and stuff.
[03:10 PM] djrockstar: GJ scum buddy, keep backing up
[03:11 PM] aturtledoesbite: DJ wants to lose?
[03:11 PM] BVOC: If I was to propose myself, turtle, prec and TCN, what would you all think?
[03:11 PM] aturtledoesbite: I would personally agree with that.
[03:11 PM] Bob10110: ...it's Turtle or Prec, and I know it. My point of view leads me to believe this.
[03:11 PM] djrockstar: turtle, this is a better tactic then you think
[03:11 PM] TheChaosNinja: That sounds decent.
[03:11 PM] Bob10110: Doesn't include me. Gets a no from me.
[03:11 PM] BVOC: Obviously.
[03:12 PM] aturtledoesbite: So that would be four votes.
[03:12 PM] BVOC: Prec?
[03:12 PM] adv0catus: 4 minutes.
[03:12 PM] BVOC: You're the deciding vote.
[03:12 PM] aturtledoesbite: Me, BV, TCN, and DJ already votes yea to everything.
[03:12 PM] Bob10110: To be honest...I can't get any good reads.
[03:12 PM] Precarious: I would vote for it IF I concluded that Bob was the spy. I would vote against it IF I concluded that turtle was the spy
[03:12 PM] Bob10110: But I'll lean towards Turtle being scum.
[03:12 PM] Precarious: Give me a minute to think
[03:12 PM] BVOC: All right.
[03:12 PM] Precarious: I want to hear what TCN thinks, since he's clear
[03:13 PM] djrockstar: guilt being thrown at Bob and turtle, hahaha
[03:13 PM] djrockstar: stay in the shadows, dude ;)
[03:13 PM] Bob10110: Lol dj, you like playing mindgames with me.
[03:13 PM] TheChaosNinja: I don't think it's a good idea for turtle to be there.
[03:13 PM] Bob10110: You know that I know that it's Prec or Turtle, and I'm considering both.
[03:13 PM] To adv0catus: DJ does know he's Resistance, right?
[03:13 PM] adv0catus: yes.  (reply)
[03:13 PM] AdeebNafees: Raw, is this really an easy badge?
[03:13 PM] AdeebNafees: *(Text)
[03:13 PM] TheChaosNinja: And who in their right mind would say that they are scum?
[03:14 PM] mattmeister: [Adeeb, I rushed through it and got the easy]
[03:14 PM] Bob10110: Jokingly? Sometimes I would, lol.
[03:14 PM] adv0catus: 2 minutes.
[03:14 PM] aturtledoesbite: TCN, someone who would want to use that line of thought you just stated to prove their own innocence.
[03:14 PM] djrockstar: TCN its a very good tactic if I use reverse psychology or evern reverse reverse psychology
[03:14 PM] aturtledoesbite: WIFOM here.
[03:14 PM] BVOC: [Propose TCN, BVOC, Turtle, Prec.]
[03:14 PM] BVOC: It's gotta move now.
[03:14 PM] Precarious: He's right
[03:15 PM] TheChaosNinja: Replace turtle with DJ, and that's fine with me.
[03:15 PM] Bob10110: So you pick the Wine in front of Turtle.
[03:15 PM] djrockstar: most people can't tell the difference, and even if they do tell the difference, its not liek anyone is gonna believe them
[03:15 PM] aturtledoesbite: I agree to that. [Vote: Yes]
[03:15 PM] TheChaosNinja: But meh.
[03:15 PM] Precarious: wait what?
[03:15 PM] Bob10110: [Vote: No.]
[03:15 PM] Bob10110: BVOC proposed.
[03:15 PM] Precarious: what did you just say TCN
[03:15 PM] djrockstar: its an auto [Vote: Yes] from me
[03:15 PM] Precarious: why dj?
[03:15 PM] Precarious: [vote yes]
[03:15 PM] TheChaosNinja: [Vote: Yes
[03:15 PM] adv0catus: The proposal is accepted.
[03:15 PM] djrockstar: too late pre ^_^
[03:15 PM] TheChaosNinja: To join the bandwagon.
[03:15 PM] BVOC: I didn't even vote.
[03:15 PM] adv0catus: Please private message me now.
[03:16 PM] aturtledoesbite: Well, no reason to hide mission success things now.
[03:16 PM] aturtledoesbite: Mission: Failed.
[03:16 PM] mattmeister: HERPHERPHERP
[03:16 PM] aturtledoesbite: ALL HAIL EMPEROR ADV0CATUS!
[03:16 PM] djrockstar: I was joking
[03:16 PM] Precarious: Public SUCCESS, even though we're going to lose
[03:16 PM] AdeebNafees: (Derpalerp.)
[03:16 PM] djrockstar: I'M NOT IMPERIAL!
[03:16 PM] Precarious: **** you
[03:16 PM] djrockstar: It was getting too long so....
[03:16 PM] mattmeister: Nor am I a pipe.
[03:16 PM] adv0catus: aturtledoesbite and TheChaosNinja win.
[03:16 PM] TheChaosNinja: I knew that.
[03:16 PM] Precarious: You intentionally sabotaged our team
[03:16 PM] TheChaosNinja: Muhahahaha.
[03:16 PM] AdeebNafees: Well done, successor.
[03:16 PM] AdeebNafees: Well done, old pal.
[03:16 PM] TheChaosNinja: :)
[03:17 PM] BVOC: We got owned, apparently.
[03:17 PM] djrockstar: am I suppose to feel bad about this, pre?
[03:17 PM] aturtledoesbite: That worked out incredibly well, considering.
[03:17 PM] djrockstar: because I don't
[03:17 PM] Precarious: You were a resistance, so yes
[03:17 PM] mattmeister: He wanted the game to end.
[03:17 PM] TheChaosNinja: How did I do as a scum?
[03:17 PM] adv0catus: Post Game.
[03:17 PM] AdeebNafees: Prec, you were awesome.
[03:17 PM] mattmeister: -_______________________-
[03:17 PM] AdeebNafees: *hugs Prec*
[03:17 PM] TheChaosNinja: I thought I did good.
[03:17 PM] aturtledoesbite: Adv0, I can copy the whole thing that I have here and paste it to you.
[03:17 PM] adv0catus: 1. Bob, I know you kept reminding me about leaders being rotated.
[03:17 PM] BVOC: I played somewhat poorly, I suppose.
[03:17 PM] adv0catus: I couldn't fix it mid-game without breaking everything.
[03:17 PM] TheChaosNinja: And now, AFK for a while.
[03:17 PM] Precarious: sorry BVOC, that m4 was my fault for doubting you
[03:17 PM] adv0catus: I know. It won't happen again. I know, okay.
[03:17 PM] adv0catus: 2. Time limits. The game went on WAY too long.
[03:18 PM] BVOC: That's fine. We both got it wrong in the end.
[03:18 PM] Bob10110: Eh. I'm alright with it.
[03:18 PM] AdeebNafees: Bob was good too.
[03:18 PM] aturtledoesbite: Oh, please. It was only about 2:15
[03:18 PM] djrockstar: BVOC you did kinda say that turtle was resistance -.- and believe yourself
[03:18 PM] adv0catus: turtle, pastebin it, please.

(Log taken from aturtledoesbite's chat window, due to adv0catus refreshing mid-game.)