Discussion of nudity on /a/

Discussion of nudity on /a/

 

(15:20:05) %KusKus: This is bait https://boards.4chan.org/q/res/774518

(15:27:36) @submarine: is it bait because nudity is obviously not allowed

(15:31:35) @submarine: unless you have a good reason why I shouldn't, I'm just going to post and close the thread

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(15:33:06) %fsdfdsf: submarine

(15:33:12) %fsdfdsf: It's bait because this was coverd in the sticky

(15:33:18) %fsdfdsf: Out right hentai is not allowed

(15:33:24) %fsdfdsf: Nudity from ecchi series is

(15:33:26) @submarine: bull shit

(15:33:28) @submarine: who made that sticky

(15:33:31) %fsdfdsf: Kami

(15:33:34) %fsdfdsf: And kdel

(15:33:51) @submarine: who made this decesion

(15:33:53) %fsdfdsf: You have to understand that if we out right get rid of nudity that then people can't post stuff from berserk even

(15:34:02) @submarine: they cant post nudity from berserk even

(15:34:03) %fsdfdsf: There is a fine line between hentai and art here

(15:34:08) @submarine: its a worksafe board

(15:34:09) %fsdfdsf: Why?

(15:34:22) @submarine: why is this rule suddenly changing

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(15:34:28) %fsdfdsf: It isn't

(15:34:30) @submarine: yeah it is

(15:34:39) %fsdfdsf: This is the way the rules have always been enforced since I've been around

(15:34:51) @submarine: then people have been too lax? It shouldn't be that way

(15:34:55) %fsdfdsf: No

(15:34:59) %fsdfdsf: I ban a lot of hentai

(15:35:00) %fsdfdsf: A lot

(15:35:06) +WhatWinterLeft: The no censoring/mosaic thing seems a bit much though

(15:35:30) @submarine: just censoring stuff doesnt make it suddenly worksafe

(15:35:35) +WhatWinterLeft: I get people that post doujinshi covers with black boxes to cover the nipples

(15:35:40) @submarine: and I don't see a sticky

(15:35:49) %fsdfdsf: ecchi content is apart of anime and the belief is that it hinders discussion to have to deal with banning it all the time

(15:35:53) %fsdfdsf: There is nudity all throughout anime

(15:36:03) @submarine: there shouldn't be nudity on worksafe boards, period

(15:36:30) %fsdfdsf: So you're telling me that if I want to talk about high school DXD I can't

(15:36:33) %fsdfdsf: That's fucking great

(15:36:54) @submarine: I'm saying you shouldnt be allowed to post nudity on worksafe boards

(15:37:02) %fsdfdsf: They don't all the time

(15:37:06) %fsdfdsf: Only sometimes

(15:37:11) %fsdfdsf: like stuff from BD releases

(15:37:15) %fsdfdsf: They aren't just dumping hentai

(15:37:16) @submarine: there should have been some kind of notice of this changing instead of it just slowly becoming accepted

(15:37:28) %fsdfdsf: It was discussed a lot

(15:37:30) %fsdfdsf: Very openly '

(15:37:52) @submarine: I'd accept it if moot weighed in on it

(15:38:05) @submarine: but from what I'm gathering it was just decided among a couple of moderators?

(15:38:24) @submarine: its a pretty major exception

(15:38:42) @submarine: because it means /a/ is not a sfw board

(15:38:58) %fsdfdsf: Not really if you think about it, there is so many ecchi manga and anime to outright have to ban every instance of a normal anime series nudity posting would be crazy

(15:39:18) %fsdfdsf: Plus a hinderence to discussion

(15:39:28) @submarine: you're suggesting that these nude images are the entire show

(15:39:32) @submarine: theres nothing but nudity

(15:39:40) %fsdfdsf: No

(15:39:59) %fsdfdsf: Series like highschool dxd have excessive amounts of panty shots and nudity at parts

(15:40:15) %fsdfdsf: nothing graphic

(15:40:16) @submarine: did moot ever weigh in on this

(15:40:18) %fsdfdsf: at most boobs

(15:40:26) @submarine: naked tits is not worksafe

(15:40:30) @submarine: thats the whole point

(15:40:45) @submarine: if theres an exception it needs to be official

(15:40:51) +WhatWinterLeft: For example, since comiket people get tons of these and line up their loot shots, and censor all the bits http://fuuka.warosu.org/data/jp/img/0113/22/1377111661384.jpg

(15:41:11) @submarine: and censored bits should still be not allowed

(15:41:25) %fsdfdsf: Are we getting rid of gore too?

(15:41:35) @submarine: guro porn?

(15:41:36) %fsdfdsf: No more geist gifs?

(15:41:46) %fsdfdsf: No more violance jake threads

(15:41:55) %fsdfdsf: That has nudity and gore

(15:42:21) %fsdfdsf: jack*

(15:42:28) @submarine: what I'm saying is no non-worksafe images

(15:42:37) @submarine: also we shouldn't be the ones to make drastic rule changes

(15:42:54) @submarine: because they're occuring over a long period of time they are deemed acceptable by the community

(15:42:57) %fsdfdsf: This is generally accepted by /a/ and they will fight you if you try to change it

(15:43:03) %fsdfdsf: I suggest talking to kami and kdel

(15:43:15) @submarine: but we dont make the rules

(15:43:22) %fsdfdsf: Ok

(15:43:23) @submarine: we dont get to change them without permission

(15:43:30) @submarine: the same thing happened on /d/ with western shit

(15:43:32) %fsdfdsf: Then have the admin weigh in

(15:43:48) @submarine: the only person who was enforcing anything on /d/ stopped, and then years passed

(15:43:58) @submarine: now suddenly it's 'always been this way'

(15:44:09) @submarine: but really its a gradual shift in belief over a long period of time

(15:44:28) %fsdfdsf: The amount of ecchi series with nudity each season is astounding

(15:44:35) %fsdfdsf: You don't realize what you're asking

(15:44:39) @submarine: I get what you're saying

(15:45:06) @submarine: I don't think porn is such a huge part of anime that you'll just die if you cant post it

(15:45:15) @submarine: again this is just images

(15:45:16) %fsdfdsf: And that's not what I'm saying here

(15:45:22) %fsdfdsf: The porn is taken care of

(15:45:27) @submarine: its not like you have to stop talking about every anime that has nudity in it

(15:45:29) %fsdfdsf: We allow the nudity so as to not hinder discussion

(15:45:33) %fsdfdsf: I ban for all fan art

(15:45:40) %fsdfdsf: NSFW hentai manga and doujins

(15:46:16) %fsdfdsf: I Let discussion of hentai manga in as long as the images are kept work safe

(15:46:24) %fsdfdsf: If I see actual nudity they are banned

(15:46:54) +Nouz: I do the same

(15:47:08) +WhatWinterLeft: I do that too.

(15:48:30) %fsdfdsf: SInce /h/ is for dumping it is assumed that for discussion you should go to /a/

(15:48:32) @submarine: even that

(15:48:43) %fsdfdsf: Which is why sad panda exists

(15:48:44) @submarine: back in the day we wouldnt allow hentai disucssion on /a/ anyway

(15:49:16) @submarine: I'd like to get moot's opinion on all of this

(15:49:22) @submarine: I do see your points

(15:49:28) @submarine: its just not the way it had been

(15:49:38) ~moots: i hate image dumps though

(15:49:41) ~moots: i've said that for years

(15:49:48) %fsdfdsf: They don't post images in sad panda

(15:49:49) ~moots: you should "discuss" porn in /e/ and /h/

(15:50:13) %fsdfdsf: And they dont' really dump the doujins either, if they make a thread for like say a fatel pulse doujin they use one image and it's generally kept works safe

(15:51:17) +WhatWinterLeft: Question then, this thread is against the rules? https://boards.4chan.org/jp/res/11398405

(15:51:27) @submarine: I'd say so, yeah

(15:51:34) +WhatWinterLeft: I've already deleted images out of it that were explicit

(15:51:45) @submarine: there is a board for h-doujins

(15:52:07) %fsdfdsf: Ok but nudity related to anime, like say code geass with the tit flash fro kallen

(15:52:09) ~moots: i dont have a huge problem with that specific thread

(15:52:10) %fsdfdsf: Is fine right?

(15:52:21) ~moots: i have a problem with the "wich animu char has the cutest panties" shit on /a/

(15:52:26) @submarine: lol

(15:52:33) %fsdfdsf: Everyone does

(15:52:41) +WhatWinterLeft: I kill those on sight on /jp/

(15:52:50) @submarine: but yeah I'd like a definitive answer on nudity 'related to anime' on /a/

(15:53:07) @submarine: as I've said, nudity is pretty not safe for work, regardless of context

(15:53:18) ~moots: nudity isn't allowed on ws boards period

(15:53:29) ~moots: and again, we have so many anime porn boards

(15:53:31) ~moots: more than any other type of porn

(15:53:36) ~moots: and we have /c/ for shit like the panties stuff

(15:53:42) ~moots: c, e, h, d, u, y etc

(15:53:51) ~moots: they should be posting there

(15:54:20) %fsdfdsf: Right but you don't want to send people away simply for posting something the creator of the anime/manga put in, like the rape in berserk, while there is nudity that's a powerful section of the manga and is inmportant to a characters development

(15:54:32) +WhatWinterLeft: I'm curious about the censored stuff, like I said before when comiket and events like it roll around invariably a ton of porn gets posted. And people want to share it but they've kinda learned to put black boxes over the naughty bits.

(15:54:59) +WhatWinterLeft: Or other humorous decals like babyfaces or mini versions of the characters.

(15:56:05) +duanemoody: there aren't any other animation companies in kyoto besides kyoani are there

(15:57:01) +duanemoody: ok, on topic

(15:57:22) +duanemoody: threads talking about h work but not posting nsfw images, where do those fall

(15:57:30) +duanemoody: and they do happen

(15:57:48) @submarine: earlier moots said you should discuss h work on /h/

(15:57:57) +duanemoody: and when that work isn't eastern

(15:58:08) @submarine: wha? then why is it on /a/?

(15:58:26) %fsdfdsf: He's talking about /co/

(15:58:29) @submarine: hentai is japanese

(15:58:29) +duanemoody: threads about Z0NE's latest flashes

(15:58:38) @submarine: there's not currently a board for toon porn

(15:58:39) %fsdfdsf: He's pointing out the same thing happens for him

(15:58:46) +duanemoody: correct

(15:59:04) @submarine: so there's not really a place to talk about it, no

(15:59:13) %fsdfdsf: I would say yes

(15:59:18) %fsdfdsf: People don't go to /h/ to talk about hentai

(15:59:20) %fsdfdsf: they go to fap

(15:59:34) %fsdfdsf: I should know i posted a lot there

(15:59:45) +duanemoody: is discussing nsfw work without posting any a violation of blue board

(15:59:56) +duanemoody: since no nudity

(16:00:23) +WhatWinterLeft: I mean

(16:00:30) @submarine: That's quite a quandry there

(16:00:33) +WhatWinterLeft: I work in gray area city

(16:00:33) +duanemoody: isn't it

(16:00:45) @submarine: yeah, you'd have to judge it on a case-by-case basis

(16:00:46) +WhatWinterLeft: Visual Novels, quite a lot of them are just straight up porn.

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(16:01:06) +duanemoody: well whatwinterleft, some are eroge and some are nukige

(16:01:10) @submarine: but real quick before we go further down this road

(16:01:14) +duanemoody: ok

(16:01:15) @submarine: concerning nudity on /a/

(16:01:17) +WhatWinterLeft: Well we have a nukige general going.

(16:01:33) @submarine: moderators posted a sticky on /a/ saying it was allowed

(16:01:52) @submarine: moots: should another message be made saying the first one was inaccurate?

(16:02:02) %fsdfdsf: Only nudity from anime/actual manga not related to hentai/fan made doujins

(16:02:09) @submarine: yeah I know

(16:02:29) ~moots: submarine: when was it posted?

(16:02:29) +duanemoody: that sounds reasonable for /a/ btw

(16:02:34) +duanemoody: not that anyone asked

(16:02:41) @submarine: I don't remember the sticky, I never saw it

(16:02:44) %fsdfdsf: THe sticky was on /a/ was the beginning of this year

(16:02:57) +duanemoody: perhaps those should be archived automatically on a private board

(16:02:59) %fsdfdsf: I can find it

(16:03:02) +duanemoody: ah

(16:03:03) +duanemoody: stupid me

(16:03:08) +duanemoody: forgot foolz does this

(16:03:14) @submarine: We shouldn't be making rule-changing stickies without authorization :(

(16:03:25) +duanemoody: moreover we should be cataloging them

(16:03:29) +WhatWinterLeft: moots: Its all in this thread https://boards.4chan.org/q/res/774518

(16:03:34) +duanemoody: instead of repeatedly asking each other in irc

(16:03:57) %KusKus: http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/77388775/#77388775

(16:04:12) +duanemoody: if such a thing exists already for mods i retract my suggestion

(16:04:45) @submarine: duanemoody: You mean an archive of stickied posts?

(16:04:53) +duanemoody: yes

(16:04:59) +duanemoody: and i mean policy

(16:05:01) %fsdfdsf: KusKus is the one for /a/

(16:05:04) +duanemoody: not general "X died"

(16:05:16) @submarine: oh, nothing like that exists no

(16:05:20) +duanemoody: pity

(16:05:27) +duanemoody: hate to be the stuffy one in the room

(16:05:29) @submarine: usually the rules are the rules

(16:05:37) @submarine: but yeah there are a few oddball situations

(16:05:50) +duanemoody: and when the rules change, how often does the text on the site defining them

(16:05:54) %KusKus: Here's the post he's cherry picking from kami in the same thread http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/77388775/#77398613

(16:05:58) +duanemoody: because i'm seeing evidence of amnesia here

(16:06:21) +duanemoody: we might not be mods but we're supposed to be enforcing the rurus

(16:06:40) +duanemoody: beyond the obvious no CP, no advertising, no spam, etc

(16:07:09) +duanemoody: for example i'm still in the dark about the CYOA/quest threads now rolling on /co/

(16:07:35) +duanemoody: which a number of regulars are displeased to see

(16:07:42) +duanemoody: i'm a fencesitter on this

(16:07:53) @submarine: I lean more towards they shouldn't be there

(16:07:59) @submarine: but I've always felt they were at home on /tg

(16:08:06) %KusKus: can I get rid of them on /a/ too?

(16:08:07) @submarine: but /tg hates them too

(16:08:08) +duanemoody: and the OP as often as not says "no rules against it, i'm ok here"

(16:08:13) +duanemoody: this is an ongoing issue

(16:08:27) +duanemoody: obv i can't speak up

(16:08:28) +DOTDOTDOT: "(17:49:51) (~moots) you should "discuss" porn in /e/ and /h/ " That's what i tried to tell ALT but he was like NO ITS FOR IMAGEDUMPING ONLY

(16:08:43) @submarine: what

(16:08:49) ~moots: i hate image dumps, i have said this for 9 years

(16:08:57) @submarine: I said threads with zero content are bad

(16:08:59) +duanemoody: and you picked imageboard software to run

(16:09:03) +duanemoody: sucks, doesn't it

(16:09:16) %fsdfdsf: So what is your vision of /h/ then moots? Would you rather it be a discussion board?

(16:09:22) @submarine: and then I said if it was 1 image and 256 replies it was a bad thread

(16:09:29) +WhatWinterLeft: With shit like danbooru, the whole image dumping thing gets less and less relevant.

(16:10:09) +duanemoody: also, i'm not snarking at you moots, i do get where you're coming from

(16:10:36) ~moots: no

(16:10:40) ~moots: people already discuss things on /h/

(16:10:57) +duanemoody: remember that guy who got banned from /h/ for conversation

(16:10:59) @submarine: but yeah I guess I have said at some points that the imageboards are not discussion boards, so I'm sorry, DOTDOTDOT

(16:11:01) +duanemoody: that was funny

(16:11:03) %fsdfdsf: Mostly things they shouldn't

(16:11:05) %fsdfdsf: like their lives

(16:11:17) ~moots: "discussion boards" mean text boards a la dis.4chan?

(16:11:19) +duanemoody: no, this was on topic fsddsf

(16:11:28) @submarine: yeah, dead boards

(16:11:38) +duanemoody: he got banned for shitposting because he wasn't posting pictures

(16:12:00) ~moots: i am in a meeting give me 15

(16:12:06) +duanemoody: shit, sorry

(16:12:09) %fsdfdsf: ;_;

(16:12:15) +duanemoody: entirely too familiar feel

(16:12:22) +duanemoody: must go pick up kid from school

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(16:50:10) @submarine: the unending silence

(16:50:19) @submarine: are we all mad at me now

(16:51:35) %fsdfdsf: I'm not mad at you dave

(16:51:46) %fsdfdsf: I'm just stressed out at everything honestly

(16:51:59) +WhatWinterLeft: I thought everybody was just waiting for mewt to get back

(16:52:20) %fsdfdsf: I can never really get mad at anyone in this channel

(16:52:29) %fsdfdsf: I just wish communication was better

(16:52:37) @submarine: me too

(16:52:39) %fsdfdsf: Cause that seems to be a major problem currently

(16:52:42) @submarine: I will strive to be better

(16:52:58) @submarine: I work a lot and I'm not here as much as I'd like to be

(16:53:16) %fsdfdsf: People got mad when they got banned during the loli incident for posting kodimo no jikan

(16:53:28) %fsdfdsf: So you can expect a similar reaction with this

(16:53:42) +WhatWinterLeft: That was just an akward situation altogether

(16:53:54) @submarine: I think a major problem is we're making decisions on our own about the rules when we shouldn't be

(16:53:57) %fsdfdsf: Yea but the lax rules may have come about because of that

(16:54:20) %fsdfdsf: I became a janitor after that whole thing happened

(16:54:33) @submarine: well this is the same situation we've faced many times before

(16:54:45) @submarine: one way becomes the standard way

(16:54:58) @submarine: something rulebreaking is deemed acceptable by everyone

(16:55:10) @submarine: so if we start doing it differently it causes problems

(16:55:29) @submarine: I use /d/ as an example a lot because the way it is now is my fault

(16:55:45) %fsdfdsf: I agree with this stance though whole heartedly, I believe that if we ban people for posting say the gif with kallen getting pushed down by Suzaku that it starts to become a question of are we hindering discussion and thread flow by doing this

(16:56:42) %fsdfdsf: There's nudity all throughout Berserk, so if someone posted a chapter that had it in it I'd have to ban them for it

(16:57:42) @submarine: You'd have to remove the offending image, yeah

(16:58:03) +Axism: Why does it feel like the pressure is high in this channel?

(16:58:13) @submarine: because every time I open my mouth this happens

(16:58:18) %fsdfdsf: lol

(16:58:24) @submarine: wheres the image

(16:58:34) @submarine: http://xkcd.com/386/

(16:58:48) +Axism: whats wrong with you opening your mouth? Are you not reaching all the way to the shaft?

(16:58:55) @submarine: haw

(16:59:08) +Axism: I had a stressful day

(16:59:22) +Axism: almost knocked out a now ex employee at the restaurant

(16:59:24) %fsdfdsf: I think like WhatWinterLeft says that with /a/ and /jp/ they are like gray areas

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(17:00:11) +WhatWinterLeft: /jp/ more so, but /a/ has the same territory of "things very japanese in nature, therefore its probably got lewd parts"

(17:00:19) %Katsurugi: I misread that as gay areas

(17:00:23) +WhatWinterLeft: That too.

(17:00:23) %Katsurugi: ah, well

(17:00:39) +WhatWinterLeft: Its hard to talk about artificial vaginas while being "worksafe"

(17:00:48) +Axism: There's nudity all throughout Berserk, so if someone posted a chapter that had it in it I'd have to ban them for it"

(17:00:56) +Axism: Who said you had to fsdfdsf?

(17:01:09) +Axism: why can't rules be occassionally broken?

(17:01:20) %fsdfdsf: This is the discussion taking place currently

(17:01:31) %fsdfdsf: You now realize why tension is a bit high

(17:01:34) +Axism: fun first

(17:01:36) +Axism: imo

(17:01:45) @submarine: It's your job to enforce the rules