Diaspora Community Codechat, 05-03-2012

May 03 12:04:31 <DeadSuperHero>	Well, might as well get started.
May 03 12:04:47 <DeadSuperHero>	So, welcome to this week's Code Chat.
May 03 12:05:16 <DeadSuperHero>	There's been a lot of great development coming from the core team, as well as some great community work that is currently being cooked up.
May 03 12:05:31 *	luke_ (~luke@46.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #diaspora-meeting
May 03 12:05:36 <SlackerD>	ohai luke
May 03 12:05:39 <luke_>	ohai
May 03 12:05:41 <DeadSuperHero>	First and foremost, we've been going through a great documentation cleanup to our wiki once again.
May 03 12:05:52 <maxwell>	w00t
May 03 12:05:55 <DeadSuperHero>	We're purging old documents that are no longer relevant or technical
May 03 12:06:10 <DeadSuperHero>	and are refactoring existing documents to be up-to-date and be much cleaner and easier to understand.
May 03 12:06:28 <DeadSuperHero>	I've been crawling through well over 100 wiki pages so far
May 03 12:06:39 <DeadSuperHero>	looking at things that can be cleaned up, shifted around, linked to, etc.
May 03 12:07:09 <DeadSuperHero>	We're looking to have further discussions about it on our Diaspora-dev mailing list, so if anyone has any suggestions for things we need, or things they're having trouble with that aren't documented, let us know.
May 03 12:07:33 <DeadSuperHero>	Additionally, some guidelines are being drafted for a more standardized writing style
May 03 12:07:47 <DeadSuperHero>	Mainly just for sake of keeping everything clean and legible. Look for it this week.
May 03 12:08:09 <DeadSuperHero>	Secondly, a few of our contributors have been really awesome and kicking things into gear with the BugMash again.
May 03 12:08:27 <maxwell>	yeah also the locate feature
May 03 12:08:47 <DeadSuperHero>	Yeah, we've currently got a locator feature that works similarly to identi.ca's
May 03 12:08:57 <DeadSuperHero>	it's sitting as a Pull Request from a community member
May 03 12:09:01 <maxwell>	trying to get some of the testing stuff in order
May 03 12:09:17 <maxwell>	its a good pull request but he pulled in some testing dependencies that i don't quite understand
May 03 12:09:39 <maxwell>	and jasmine is already confusing for new people
May 03 12:10:10 <DeadSuperHero>	Yeah, it might not be a bad idea to refactor his pull request to just use our existing testing stuff if there's no obvious advantage to pulling more testing deps in
May 03 12:10:19 <DeadSuperHero>	Just food for thought, I guess.
May 03 12:10:29 <maxwell>	yeah
May 03 12:10:35 <maxwell>	i want to hear the guy out
May 03 12:10:41 <maxwell>	maybe it is some new hotness i don't know about
May 03 12:11:05 <DeadSuperHero>	That being said, we're always looking for contributors for the Bug Mash and feature development. There's constantly new things we're adding to the Wishlist, and we're also getting a lot of things knocked off of that list.
May 03 12:11:05 <maxwell>	there is also the good OSM business, but we can change that easily enuf
May 03 12:11:13 <DeadSuperHero>	Yeah, gotta love OSM.
May 03 12:12:05 <DeadSuperHero>	Finally, on the community-facing side of things, we're looking for talented individuals in our community that would be willing to make some community screencasts to go alongside the ones I've been making.
May 03 12:12:21 <DeadSuperHero>	Basically, if you see something that can be done with our code, and it's something we haven't covered, we want to hear from you.
May 03 12:13:07 <DeadSuperHero>	Screencasts are great ways to visually explain to people how to work with our platform
May 03 12:13:23 <DeadSuperHero>	and the existing ones we have are a huge help to newcoming developers.
May 03 12:13:42 <maxwell>	yeah DeadSuperHero, perhaps you should publish your tentative list of screenies coming from you?
May 03 12:13:55 <DeadSuperHero>	You bet, look out for it this week.
May 03 12:14:12 <DeadSuperHero>	Heck, look out for it today even.
May 03 12:14:22 <DeadSuperHero>	Moving on.
May 03 12:14:39 <DeadSuperHero>	Maxwell, what kind of awesome developments are the platform going through right now?
May 03 12:15:04 <maxwell>	well, if your tracking our current master, you know that we have been doing lots of new stuff with the publsiher
May 03 12:15:18 <maxwell>	we are taking a slightly different approach to rolling out new features
May 03 12:15:18 <DeadSuperHero>	It's pretty awesome.
May 03 12:15:43 <maxwell>	we are trying to stay tracking with master, but feature flagging unfinished features for most users
May 03 12:15:49 <maxwell>	this has many different benifits
May 03 12:16:00 <maxwell>	1) less merge conflicts from branches in pull requests
May 03 12:16:09 <maxwell>	2) less long running branches in general
May 03 12:16:26 <maxwell>	3) we can deploy stuff to a subset of users, even with un-done stuff
May 03 12:16:42 <maxwell>	which lets us see errors sooner, but not distrupt normal alpha users
May 03 12:17:18 <maxwell>	of course, you can check it out for yourself on your own pod, by making a beta role for your account and running D* with the
May 03 12:17:22 <maxwell>	NEW_HOTNESS fla
May 03 12:17:23 <maxwell>	g
May 03 12:17:35 <DeadSuperHero>	It also allows us to test out features manually in a production environment, which is great for usability design.
May 03 12:17:45 <maxwell>	yeah, but it also lets us deploy and try stuff
May 03 12:17:51 <DeadSuperHero>	Right.
May 03 12:17:53 <maxwell>	without having to force it on everyone right away
May 03 12:18:03 <maxwell>	as features do evolve and change
May 03 12:18:11 <DeadSuperHero>	Exactly.
May 03 12:18:14 <maxwell>	and we get friction every time we want to make something better from users
May 03 12:18:34 <maxwell>	so this hopefully will mitigate early iterations where we really change stuff drasticly
May 03 12:18:43 <maxwell>	and we can deploy it when it gets a bit more set in stone
May 03 12:19:38 <DeadSuperHero>	Yeah, it's all pretty great.
May 03 12:19:57 <maxwell>	Yeah, also, we did more to a database driven role system
May 03 12:20:12 <maxwell>	so now you can add admins, beta users, and community spotlight without restarting your server
May 03 12:20:20 <DeadSuperHero>	No more defining roles in application.yml
May 03 12:20:22 <DeadSuperHero>	:D
May 03 12:20:44 <maxwell>	yeah, actually all array based keys are gone
May 03 12:20:57 <maxwell>	which is going to make bootstrapping your own diaspora much easier, and more scriptable
May 03 12:21:18 <DeadSuperHero>	Definitely.
May 03 12:22:08 <DeadSuperHero>	Anyway, our design work right now is focused largely on making the platform easier to use, and easier to understand.
May 03 12:22:24 <DeadSuperHero>	Like Max said, you can track the latest developments in our master branch on github.
May 03 12:22:24 <maxwell>	yeah
May 03 12:22:50 <maxwell>	Also worth nothing, we are going to be trying to build features in non destructive ways
May 03 12:23:02 <maxwell>	but when we lock into some stuff, we are going to be doing a big feature revision
May 03 12:23:27 <maxwell>	meaning, we are going to cut some bad features out while making other bits and pieces more modular
May 03 12:24:13 <DeadSuperHero>	Pretty standard refactoring. The more modular, the better.
May 03 12:25:04 <DeadSuperHero>	But that makes for leaner code to go with that prettier face we're grafting on to it.
May 03 12:25:15 <maxwell>	just like the wiki ;)
May 03 12:25:22 <DeadSuperHero>	Yup yup.
May 03 12:28:31 <DeadSuperHero>	I guess also as a random aside, you might have noticed that a lot of the showpages look much prettier now than they have before.
May 03 12:28:37 <DeadSuperHero>	We've added some new navigation elements into them
May 03 12:28:51 <DeadSuperHero>	and improved the typeface
May 03 12:28:52 <maxwell>	yeah we have been trying to get the stuff on d* look amazing
May 03 12:29:03 <maxwell>	one of our stratagys is around
May 03 12:29:06 <maxwell>	thinking about personal pods
May 03 12:29:16 <maxwell>	and how you can use d* to make awesome stuff you care about
May 03 12:29:31 <maxwell>	and send it out to your friends who are not nessisarly hip to d* yet
May 03 12:29:41 <maxwell>	its been working with our own friends
May 03 12:29:42 <DeadSuperHero>	Basically using your own self expression to define who you are in your own social space.
May 03 12:29:45 <maxwell>	we are getting a lot of
May 03 12:29:49 <DeadSuperHero>	"Hey, what is that?"
May 03 12:29:51 <maxwell>	"Holy shit, what is this? ?? I want this"
May 03 12:29:52 <maxwell>	yes
May 03 12:30:08 <maxwell>	so some types of posts look better than others
May 03 12:30:15 <DeadSuperHero>	We're working on it.
May 03 12:30:18 <maxwell>	but we are trying to pull that in as much as we can
May 03 12:30:25 <maxwell>	if you have a post that looks terrible
May 03 12:30:29 <bla_>	what do you think about people complaining about the single-post view?
May 03 12:30:43 <DeadSuperHero>	Obviously, with any new feature, there's going to be some friction.
May 03 12:30:51 <maxwell>	yeah i think its a bit hard to comment
May 03 12:30:59 <maxwell>	and we did introduce some nav elements
May 03 12:31:00 <DeadSuperHero>	Some people love the new posts view, others not so much.
May 03 12:31:20 <DeadSuperHero>	We're doing what we can to address some concerns to make it more usable, but at the same time look incredible.
May 03 12:31:53 <DeadSuperHero>	At the very least, the addition of nav elements allows for users to easily navigate in and out of the post views.
May 03 12:33:47 <DeadSuperHero>	We're doing a lot of heavy lifting with feature development and design.
May 03 12:34:09 <DeadSuperHero>	So if you don't like something, keep in mind that there's a strong possibility that things are being refactored and improved upon behind the scenes.
May 03 12:34:11 <xador>	hi. can you chose a day of the week when you work on makeing diaspora green so we can update pods with no fear?
May 03 12:34:21 <maxwell>	yeah xador thanks for bring up the buidl
May 03 12:34:28 <maxwell>	there is a weird error right now
May 03 12:34:34 <maxwell>	with some versions of ruby
May 03 12:34:42 <maxwell>	i will do my best to look at them right now
May 03 12:34:50 <xador>	thx
May 03 12:35:41 <DeadSuperHero>	On that note, I think it's safe to move to questions, if our community members have any.
May 03 12:35:47 <maxwell>	I think grippi took out the logged out page
May 03 12:35:54 <maxwell>	so that might be the cause of the current errors
May 03 12:35:55 <maxwell>	:P
May 03 12:35:57 <DeadSuperHero>	:P
May 03 12:36:01 <maxwell>	jerk
May 03 12:36:24 <maxwell>	anybody planning on having some time hack soon?
May 03 12:36:36 <maxwell>	i wish stevenh was here
May 03 12:36:40 <DeadSuperHero>	Me too.
May 03 12:36:44 *	DeadSuperHero loves Stevenh
May 03 12:36:45 <maxwell>	i think i saw him saying he refactored all the email stuffs
May 03 12:36:51 <DeadSuperHero>	Yeah, I'm stoked about that.
May 03 12:36:51 <maxwell>	which will be really nice
May 03 12:37:15 <maxwell>	completely side related
May 03 12:37:26 <maxwell>	anyone worked with a site screenshot service from the command line?
May 03 12:37:35 *	mathis__ has quit (Quit: Page closed)
May 03 12:37:43 <maxwell>	or sort of related, anyone notice you can embed show pages?
May 03 12:37:59 <maxwell>	http://maxattack.tumblr.com/
May 03 12:38:04 *	mathis__ (570641d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.6.65.212) has joined #diaspora-meeting
May 03 12:38:10 <maxwell>	totally beta-fied
May 03 12:38:26 <DeadSuperHero>	Yeah, that stuff is pretty awesome.
May 03 12:38:26 <maxwell>	but we want to make your diaspora stuff look friggen awesome wherever you decide to share it
May 03 12:39:10 <DeadSuperHero>	Regardless of whether it's on our platform, or out all over the social web.
May 03 12:39:23 <DeadSuperHero>	Heck, technically the embeds even work on Friendica.
May 03 12:40:10 <DeadSuperHero>	Being able to share your unique content anywhere is awesome.
May 03 12:40:41 <DeadSuperHero>	Anyway, anyone have any questions?
May 03 12:40:55 <luke_>	yeah
May 03 12:41:04 <DeadSuperHero>	What's up, luke_ ?
May 03 12:41:13 <pubis>	yeah, maybe :p
May 03 12:41:19 <luke_>	I was thining of doing some compatibility work for IE for you guys
May 03 12:41:27 <DeadSuperHero>	That would rock.
May 03 12:41:33 <luke_>	I mainly an ASP.NET dev
May 03 12:41:39 <maxwell>	luke_: omg
May 03 12:41:46 <maxwell>	that would be pretty cool
May 03 12:41:58 <maxwell>	I'm embarrassed to say i have no idea what it looks like
May 03 12:42:00 <maxwell>	but it prob is crap
May 03 12:42:09 <maxwell>	also, we prob are just only going to target latest IE
May 03 12:42:12 <SlackerD>	it works great on IE9
May 03 12:42:18 <SlackerD>	I've tried it
May 03 12:42:23 <luke_>	mainly small CSS stuff and some js
May 03 12:42:26 <DeadSuperHero>	That being said, if you can make it work with like, IE7 or something crazy like that
May 03 12:42:30 <DeadSuperHero>	You would be a god.
May 03 12:42:36 <luke_>	I could easily get most CSS stuff working in IE7 upwards
May 03 12:42:45 <DeadSuperHero>	<3
May 03 12:42:50 <maxwell>	yeah IE7 might even be too much cruft
May 03 12:42:56 <maxwell>	I'm even ok saying IE8
May 03 12:43:00 <maxwell>	but if you can work magic
May 03 12:43:03 <maxwell>	<3
May 03 12:43:18 <maxwell>	we have been going pretty hard on the css3 stuffs
May 03 12:43:19 <luke_>	not sure about JavaScript, because IE7 doesn't support some of the newer parts of the ECMAscript standard
May 03 12:43:32 <maxwell>	yeah i don't think we use any fancy new JS right now
May 03 12:43:39 <maxwell>	mostly css id imagine
May 03 12:43:45 <maxwell>	and then weird box model junk
May 03 12:43:48 <luke_>	a lot of stuff is doable via polyfills
May 03 12:43:58 <maxwell>	cool, that would be great
May 03 12:44:02 <luke_>	so my question was IE7+ would be good?
May 03 12:44:20 <luke_>	IE7 and up I meant
May 03 12:44:21 <DeadSuperHero>	If you can swing it, do it.
May 03 12:44:35 <maxwell>	yes that would be fine.  I'd even be cool with IE8+, if that makes your life an order of magnitude easier
May 03 12:44:37 <DeadSuperHero>	We'd be willing to take a look at your Pull Request and test out your fixes.
May 03 12:45:12 *	Topolivan (~AndChat20@89.204.138.7) has joined #diaspora-meeting
May 03 12:45:18 <luke_>	Okay cool, I'll probably go on the dev channel this weekend and get diaspora setup properly
May 03 12:45:30 <DeadSuperHero>	Sweet. If you have any questions, hit us up. We'll be around.
May 03 12:45:35 <luke_>	cool
May 03 12:45:36 <luke_>	cheers
May 03 12:45:39 <DeadSuperHero>	:)
May 03 12:45:42 <mathis__>	daniel posted this a lot of time ago. https://joindiaspora.com/tags/workinovertime?q=%23workinovertime are you planning a redesign of the stream ?
May 03 12:45:45 <maxwell>	yeah, installing on windows might be an epic journey it its own right :P
May 03 12:46:05 <maxwell>	mathis__: lots of redesigns are going to happen.  that particular one was halted
May 03 12:46:17 <maxwell>	but we are always trying to think about new designs
May 03 12:46:26 <DeadSuperHero>	Ways to do things better.
May 03 12:46:40 <luke_>	I could get it running on Linux first, once I understand the platform better I will have a go at Windows install
May 03 12:46:41 <maxwell>	but much of the designs going forward are going to be about cutting diaspora down to its essence
May 03 12:46:59 <maxwell>	making cool shit, sharing it where you want to, and owning it, and being proud of it
May 03 12:47:09 <maxwell>	luke_: sounds great
May 03 12:47:22 <DeadSuperHero>	pubis, did you have a question?
May 03 12:48:02 <pubis>	yeah! you mentioned a NEW_HOTNESS flag… care to explain more… I wan't the new profile on my pod like right now (:
May 03 12:48:33 <maxwell>	:)
May 03 12:48:42 <maxwell>	so you just need to start your server
May 03 12:48:52 <maxwell>	NEW_HOTNESS=yesplze rails s
May 03 12:48:57 <maxwell>	or however you start your server
May 03 12:49:02 <maxwell>	and then just make sure you have a beta role
May 03 12:49:16 <maxwell>	so in your production consoel
May 03 12:49:25 <maxwell>	Role.add_beta(pubis.person)
May 03 12:49:43 <pubis>	oh, that easy (: so it's just a env-variable passed on when starting the server
May 03 12:49:57 <maxwell>	yup
May 03 12:50:03 <maxwell>	you can look in
May 03 12:50:05 <pubis>	the role thing i worked out, but i don't wan't to add ex=true manually
May 03 12:50:09 <maxwell>	app/model/feature_flagger.rb
May 03 12:50:26 <maxwell>	that might shed some light to the magic™
May 03 12:50:46 <pubis>	awesome! thanks!
May 03 12:50:52 <maxwell>	thank you for asking
May 03 12:50:57 <pubis>	one more Q:
May 03 12:50:59 <maxwell>	yes
May 03 12:51:59 <pubis>	I have finally got the dev-env setup nicely and wan't to contribute something and was thinking of an auto URL-shortener… something like twitter and t.co
May 03 12:51:59 <Topolivan>	Hi everyone, I just joined now (sorry, German course), I'd have a question,if I'm allowed :-)
May 03 12:52:15 <DeadSuperHero>	Go for it, Topolivan
May 03 12:52:24 <maxwell>	pubis
May 03 12:52:27 <maxwell>	this is a good idea
May 03 12:52:35 <maxwell>	actually, it should be on the wishlsit
May 03 12:52:45 <pubis>	it could be hooked to a service like bit.ly or something like that,… thoughts?
May 03 12:52:54 <maxwell>	yeah
May 03 12:52:59 <maxwell>	i think bitty is a good fallback
May 03 12:53:06 <maxwell>	maybe people might want to pass it their own
May 03 12:53:15 <maxwell>	we should move the discussion the mailing list
May 03 12:53:18 <maxwell>	some of our thoughts about it
May 03 12:53:24 <pubis>	exactly… own your links!
May 03 12:53:25 *	maxwell fishes for an old link
May 03 12:53:28 <maxwell>	brb
May 03 12:53:51 <maxwell>	this is interesting
May 03 12:53:52 <maxwell>	http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/21743973/Whistle
May 03 12:54:05 <maxwell>	but tantek has lots of good thinking about maintaining attribution
May 03 12:54:08 <maxwell>	and owning your own links
May 03 12:54:20 <maxwell>	i don't think its essential to be word for word
May 03 12:54:21 <Topolivan>	Thanks! I was thinking of implementing a feature to allow the user to create 'stream shortcuts'. That is to say, the possibility to store different streams filtering by aspects and tags
May 03 12:54:34 <DeadSuperHero>	Interesting.
May 03 12:54:42 <maxwell>	Topolivan: i think much of that is going to change relatively soon
May 03 12:54:49 <maxwell>	i think filters will be a part of it
May 03 12:55:02 <maxwell>	but i can't guarantee we wouldn't blow away some of your changes
May 03 12:55:20 <Topolivan>	So, i dont know if i should start working or join sime group...
May 03 12:56:01 <maxwell>	you should join the mailing list, but again, it might be a volatile part of the code to start hacking on
May 03 12:56:11 <maxwell>	pubis: so we should start a discussion
May 03 12:56:13 <maxwell>	on diaspora-dev
May 03 12:56:19 <maxwell>	so everyone can see our thinking
May 03 12:56:26 <maxwell>	sound good?
May 03 12:56:27 <pubis>	ok, whistle look really cool. I'll do some more research and we'll continue on the mailing list..
May 03 12:56:27 <DeadSuperHero>	Same goes to Toplovian. Start a thread, get a discussion going
May 03 12:56:32 <Topolivan>	I'm in the mail list actually :-)
May 03 12:56:34 <pubis>	sounds super
May 03 12:56:34 <DeadSuperHero>	:)
May 03 12:56:38 <maxwell>	yay
May 03 12:56:39 <Topolivan>	Cool
May 03 12:56:47 <Topolivan>	I'll do it later
May 03 12:57:22 <Topolivan>	Guys, I love your work, see you later then
May 03 12:57:25 *	offSchub is now known as DenSchub
May 03 12:57:35 <DeadSuperHero>	Thanks Topolivan <3
May 03 12:57:36 <DeadSuperHero>	See ya.
May 03 12:57:41 <DeadSuperHero>	Any other questions?
May 03 12:57:43 <pubis>	yeah i'm on the list too… just very very quiet
May 03 12:57:47 <pubis>	:D
May 03 12:57:53 <maxwell>	damn lurkers
May 03 12:58:00 <maxwell>	"there coming outta the walls man!""
May 03 12:58:09 <maxwell>	:D
May 03 12:58:10 <luke_>	lol
May 03 12:58:11 <DenSchub>	oh. hi. :D
May 03 12:58:12 <Topolivan>	Hahaha
May 03 12:58:14 <pubis>	hehe
May 03 12:58:24 <maxwell>	y'all a bunch of jerks
May 03 12:58:27 <maxwell>	hey short survey
May 03 12:58:31 <maxwell>	are these meetings helpful?
May 03 12:58:36 <luke_>	yep
May 03 12:58:40 <xador>	yep
May 03 12:58:43 <Topolivan>	Totally
May 03 12:58:43 <maxwell>	DeadSuperHero: and i always feel like we are talking to ourselfs
May 03 12:58:43 <luke_>	well for me today it was
May 03 12:58:47 <maxwell>	ok
May 03 12:58:47 <maxwell>	ok
May 03 12:58:52 <DeadSuperHero>	maxwell, yeah I know that feel, bro.
May 03 12:58:52 <maxwell>	i appreciate chatting
May 03 12:59:06 <pubis>	yep
May 03 12:59:10 <maxwell>	we want to be available to like to do AMA here
May 03 12:59:12 <Topolivan>	There must be this 'little pills' to keep the momentum
May 03 12:59:18 <pubis>	man my client is lagging behind… annoying
May 03 12:59:21 <luke_>	@DSH I think it like a meeting in the office, it good to get an overall update
May 03 12:59:26 <maxwell>	because sometimes its disrubtive during the week
May 03 12:59:27 <SlackerD>	indeed
May 03 12:59:27 <DeadSuperHero>	Yeah, definitely.
May 03 12:59:30 <maxwell>	since we are scrumming
May 03 12:59:36 <maxwell>	distruptive
May 03 12:59:38 <maxwell>	whatever
May 03 12:59:41 <maxwell>	spelling is lame
May 03 13:00:01 <DeadSuperHero>	But yeah, it's good to have the logs around at least.
May 03 13:00:04 <DeadSuperHero>	Keep everyone in the loop.
May 03 13:00:09 <Topolivan>	Btw, i feel like 15 year old using the IRC. Love it
May 03 13:00:13 <DeadSuperHero>	<33333
May 03 13:00:15 <Topolivan>	:-)
May 03 13:00:19 <DeadSuperHero>	Good memories.
May 03 13:00:24 <maxwell>	HACKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
May 03 13:00:25 <Topolivan>	Totally
May 03 13:00:29 <DeadSuperHero>	Okay, so I think that about wraps us up for this week?
May 03 13:00:29 <luke_>	lol
May 03 13:00:30 <Topolivan>	Hahaha
May 03 13:00:47 <Topolivan>	For me yes
May 03 13:00:54 <mathis__>	can you tell us approximately when we'll see these new (amazing) stuff ?
May 03 13:01:11 <maxwell>	as soon as i can physically write it
May 03 13:01:14 <DeadSuperHero>	Putting a date on it wouldn't exactly be realistic, I think. It'll be ready when it's ready.
May 03 13:01:37 <maxwell>	yeah i mean its important to note
May 03 13:01:44 *	Topolivan is now known as RaulCano
May 03 13:01:59 <maxwell>	this is all about getting learnings
May 03 13:02:09 <maxwell>	so things can and will change quickly
May 03 13:02:20 <maxwell>	its about doing stuff, getting validated (or shot down)
May 03 13:02:26 <maxwell>	and making it better or moving on
May 03 13:02:35 <maxwell>	its an organic process, not a overly planned one
May 03 13:02:43 <DeadSuperHero>	SCIENCE!
May 03 13:02:43 <luke_>	are you guys doing anything like A/B testing?
May 03 13:02:44 <RaulCano>	Are u using any PM app, like redmine or so?
May 03 13:02:55 <luke_>	or hotspot analysis?
May 03 13:02:58 <maxwell>	we use Pivotal Tracker for the core team work
May 03 13:03:04 <maxwell>	luke_: we actually need to do more of that
May 03 13:03:09 <maxwell>	do you have a lib you have some experience with
May 03 13:03:14 <luke_>	no
May 03 13:03:28 <maxwell>	i would actually be interested in contributions around user metrics, in the name of sciecne
May 03 13:03:46 <maxwell>	we are actually a/b testing our group of firends
May 03 13:03:53 <maxwell>	with the new profile/publisher/single post view
May 03 13:04:00 <luke_>	I seen a lot of stuff on the smashing network about it, but some of the articles from a dev standpoint are a bit wholly
May 03 13:04:00 <maxwell>	we are actually re-inviting all of our friends to test it out
May 03 13:04:03 <maxwell>	just those 3 things
May 03 13:04:21 <maxwell>	kinda hiding all of the old-diaspora stuff from there
May 03 13:04:22 <maxwell>	them
May 03 13:04:27 <luke_>	If I am understanding it correctly
May 03 13:04:54 <luke_>	it maybe worth having a pod that some people are randomly directed to or can choose to do testing?
May 03 13:05:35 <maxwell>	we actually talked about that
May 03 13:05:47 <luke_>	I must have missed it
May 03 13:05:49 <luke_>	sorry
May 03 13:05:51 <maxwell>	the current way beta is being sliced, some old core diaspora features are just not present
May 03 13:05:58 <maxwell>	no we talked about it interanlly
May 03 13:06:00 <maxwell>	:)
May 03 13:06:02 <maxwell>	internally
May 03 13:06:31 <maxwell>	since everything is changing rapidly, and we get inbound complaints when we move stuff around
May 03 13:06:40 <maxwell>	even though people are alpha users :/
May 03 13:07:04 <luke_>	I see, i.e. the "friction" DSH was talking about
May 03 13:07:31 <luke_>	I dunno how you guys work
May 03 13:07:52 <luke_>	but I normally deploy changes in "changesets" at work (I use SourceSafe and I am still recovering)
May 03 13:08:32 <maxwell>	are those to only a group of users/
May 03 13:08:32 <luke_>	do you guys do anything similar? is there a wiki page I can look at?
May 03 13:08:40 <maxwell>	we use heroku
May 03 13:08:47 <maxwell>	and just deploy from our master branch
May 03 13:08:55 <maxwell>	and have been using feature flags as of late
May 03 13:09:24 <luke_>	okay
May 03 13:09:46 <luke_>	sorry I come from a very corporate background
May 03 13:09:50 <maxwell>	no problem
May 03 13:10:07 <maxwell>	we come from an asshat, doing crazy stuff for fun background :P
May 03 13:10:18 <RaulCano>	Haha
May 03 13:10:20 <luke_>	:D
May 03 13:10:27 <maxwell>	:D
May 03 13:10:34 <RaulCano>	That's the best
May 03 13:10:50 <maxwell>	actually, this is the best
May 03 13:10:50 <maxwell>	https://github.com/mroth/lolcommits
May 03 13:10:59 <DeadSuperHero>	Yes.
May 03 13:11:06 <DeadSuperHero>	Some of the best pictures evar.
May 03 13:11:16 *	pubis is restarting pod. new hotness? well yes pleaze
May 03 13:11:46 <RaulCano>	How often are these IRC meetings,guys?
May 03 13:11:52 <maxwell>	every other thursday
May 03 13:12:03 <luke_>	what time GMT?
May 03 13:12:07 <maxwell>	uhhh
May 03 13:12:11 <maxwell>	umm
May 03 13:12:12 <DeadSuperHero>	Well, it's 10 PST
May 03 13:12:13 <luke_>	well whichever
May 03 13:12:19 <DeadSuperHero>	12 Central time
May 03 13:12:21 <luke_>	okay
May 03 13:12:23 <maxwell>	west coast america time
May 03 13:12:30 <luke_>	I will work it out from PST time
May 03 13:12:39 <maxwell>	where are you located?
May 03 13:12:43 <luke_>	I am on GMT+1
May 03 13:12:46 <luke_>	Gibraltar
May 03 13:13:02 <RaulCano>	Hi you!
May 03 13:13:15 <RaulCano>	I'm from Marbella :-)
May 03 13:13:22 <luke_>	:D
May 03 13:13:34 <luke_>	I live near La Linea
May 03 13:13:39 <pubis>	1900 in GMT+1
May 03 13:13:46 <RaulCano>	Same time zone :-p
May 03 13:13:52 <xador>	valencia here
May 03 13:14:01 <luke_>	it is DST here, so 8pm
May 03 13:14:22 <pubis>	I'm GMT+1 too… but a couple hundred miles north i guess
May 03 13:14:23 <RaulCano>	:-)
May 03 13:14:33 <luke_>	longitude got to love it
May 03 13:14:47 <DeadSuperHero>	Anyway, I gotta run guys. I'll put the logs up in like 20 minutes. :P
May 03 13:14:56 <luke_>	cheers DSH
May 03 13:14:58 <DeadSuperHero>	<333