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  1. -21:27:54- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) spiral, adymus determined I am INTP o_o
  2. -21:28:21- (spiral) did he now?
  3. -21:28:31- (spiral) :P that's exciting
  4. -21:28:36- (spiral) any way i can get in on the analysis?
  5. -21:28:53- (spiral) like what his reasoning is, or what he based this on or anything?
  6. -21:29:54- (Belial) for the love of sweet raptor baby jesus
  7. -21:30:08- (spiral) lol
  8. -21:30:19- (spiral) was this in #intpf earlier? do i check logs? is this a forum thread?
  9. -21:30:26- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) http://pastebin.com/d16c59e66
  10. -21:31:02- (Belial) Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness: I am using Win7, why?
  11. -21:31:10- (spiral) <Anthile> Not that spiral or fukyo listened
  12. -21:31:13- (spiral) my favorite line so far
  13. -21:31:20- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) :P
  14. -21:32:03- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) Just asking, because you said you wanted to use linux
  15. -21:32:34- (spiral) so far i have adyumus believes anthile is Ti dom/sec because:
  16. -21:32:42- (spiral) [1] anthile was able to see what the possibilities were
  17. -21:32:55- (spiral) [2] anthile was able to outline them without including his own opinions of what they are
  18. -21:33:16- (spiral) and my guess is that anthile has far more reasoning in his head
  19. -21:33:24- (spiral) because that's not nearly enough/even suggestive of Ti to me
  20. -21:33:31- (spiral) what you think fukyo?
  21. -21:33:32- (spiral) <Anthile> Not that spiral or fukyo listened
  22. -21:33:41- (spiral) ^^^ i say we add some exclamations to this sentence
  23. -21:33:50- (spiral) i think Ni can easily understand what the options are
  24. -21:34:07- (spiral) i think Ni/Fe together can determine, adding my opinion will make things worse
  25. -21:34:23- (Belial) yes, and who says he needs to shove his opinion up people's throats all the time
  26. -21:34:24- (spiral) i can easily see how Fe would think 'i dislike all this conflict, and i dont want to add anymore
  27. -21:34:29- (Belial) also
  28. -21:34:39- (spiral) and i want to show people how complicated the options are and to deter unnecessary conflict before we know anything'
  29. -21:34:51- (Belial) the way I saw it and I said this before, he organized the data
  30. -21:34:53- (spiral) and i can easily see how Ni can come to 'there is not enough information to know anything'
  31. -21:35:19- (spiral) lol@that -- i dont see this as him "shoving his opinion up peoples throats" :P on that account we're doing the same right now
  32. -21:35:26- (spiral) i see this as adymus providing his valuable input into the matter
  33. -21:35:34- (Belial) why didn't you give adymus the logs of the conversation anthile
  34. -21:35:45- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) which one?
  35. -21:35:48- (Belial) instead of saying "we didn't listen"
  36. -21:35:55- (spiral) and even though i disagree with him (i disagreed with him that bjork was enfp, i still think infp), i consider him knowledgable enough to participate in thought discussions with
  37. -21:36:23- (spiral) i do believe we probably have more information than adymus
  38. -21:36:27- (spiral) (fukyo and i)
  39. -21:36:33- (spiral) type related information bout you
  40. -21:36:39- (spiral) cuz we been pokin for a while O_O
  41. -21:36:50- (Belial) FOR A FUCKING YEAR
  42. -21:37:00- (spiral) a year???
  43. -21:37:01- (charles) lol
  44. -21:37:04- (spiral) well i got in this a little later o_O
  45. -21:37:10- (spiral) this will be a good topic to bring up if adymus signs on later
  46. -21:37:14- (charles) damn, I am a huge asshole
  47. -21:37:29- (spiral) and one of the things ill bring up is how this has been going on a year
  48. -21:37:31- (Belial) His type has been discussed nearly a year, yes and that's why I'm so tired of the discussion
  49. -21:37:31- (spiral) it takes a fuckin Ni
  50. -21:37:34- (spiral) to not fuckin know themselves
  51. -21:37:36- (spiral) for a year
  52. -21:37:40- (spiral) and still think its too damn complicated
  53. -21:37:41- (spiral) :D
  54. -21:38:00- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) well, that sentence is kinda out of context... originally I took that posting to point out I'm a T instead of F and that's exactly what Adymus did right now
  55. -21:38:01- (spiral) an NTP would be frustrated two months in
  56. -21:38:08- (spiral) and be like "ok i need to totally rethink how im doing this"
  57. -21:38:10- (Belial) He went from INTP to INFJ, to INXJ, to INTJ, to INFJ to this now
  58. -21:38:13- (spiral) operation solution O_O
  59. -21:38:23- (spiral) whereas Ni is fine with 'too complicated! does it matter?'
  60. -21:38:29- (spiral) 'its many things! all at once!'
  61. -21:39:01- (spiral) ic
  62. -21:39:06- • Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness hands Fukyo a big bowl of ice cream as retribution :|
  63. -21:39:09- (Belial) I just wish I could get all logs of that stuff
  64. -21:39:11- (spiral) well i can't see him being INTJ
  65. -21:39:19- (Belial) going in circles ><
  66. -21:39:41- (charles) lol
  67. -21:39:44- (spiral) i haven't honestly given NTP much thought
  68. -21:39:50- (spiral) but that's be one hell of a surprise
  69. -21:40:00- (spiral) and if he was NTP i'd say he masks most of his personality online
  70. -21:40:17- (spiral) and that assumption - the irc "what if they are so filtered through irc this is a mass distrotion, what i witness"
  71. -21:40:21- (spiral) is too big
  72. -21:40:57- (spiral) his Fe is too well developed to be INTP is my first thought
  73. -21:41:03- (spiral) even before thinking about Ti
  74. -21:41:12- (Belial) exactly
  75. -21:41:13- (spiral) the Ni im trying to ignore because im just so sold on it already...it seems bias
  76. -21:41:22- (Belial) Too developed Fe for an INTP
  77. -21:41:29- (spiral) anthile as an ENTP
  78. -21:41:34- (spiral) causes an almost immediate laughter in me
  79. -21:41:50- (spiral) my first imagination of anthile as entp
  80. -21:41:53- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) Maybe my Fe is not as developed as it seems
  81. -21:42:00- (spiral) is this dude in a texhnolyzed suit
  82. -21:42:02- (spiral) a 'shape'
  83. -21:42:04- (spiral) with freaked out eyes
  84. -21:42:08- (spiral) going WTF AM I DOIGN!!!!!
  85. -21:42:15- (spiral) and having an anxiety attack
  86. -21:42:20- (spiral) as he engages in the ENTP world
  87. -21:42:23- (charles) isnt those such a large amount of confirmation bias in which that said people talking about types in circles will eventually adapt to act according to what type they think they are, rather than what type they actually are
  88. -21:42:39- (spiral) anthile: developed and healthy are two different things
  89. -21:42:46- (spiral) ive realized this, they are different axis
  90. -21:42:50- (spiral) i think you have an unhappy
  91. -21:42:52- (spiral) well developed
  92. -21:42:53- (spiral) Fe
  93. -21:42:53- (spiral) :)
  94. -21:43:22- (spiral) and that your conscious and automatic distancing from all things
  95. -21:43:29- (spiral) is one of the ways it is doing its work
  96. -21:43:33- (spiral) that is it, doing its job, well
  97. -21:43:39- (spiral) because when Fe sees things as 'not good'
  98. -21:43:43- (spiral) it manages keeping them away
  99. -21:43:53- (charles) I'm Fe dominant
  100. -21:43:56- (Belial) incidentally, the same kind of "unhappy" Fe adymus has been describing when he said INFJs aren't all sugar
  101. -21:43:58- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) hm, that would make sense
  102. -21:44:05- (spiral) i think anthile, your unhappy with 'general society'
  103. -21:44:13- (spiral) which equates in the mind to 'people you dont know'
  104. -21:44:30- (spiral) and Fe's expression of this would be to be distant and hesitant with people
  105. -21:44:41- (Belial) the whole thing of disappointment with the world not living up to your standards, sound familiar?
  106. -21:44:43- (spiral) and another thing Fe would be doing is analyzing, automatically
  107. -21:44:51- (spiral) the relationship between people and their organizations and each other
  108. -21:44:54- (spiral) and you sir, do that
  109. -21:45:13- (spiral) in a way more conscious than an INTP's near subconscious Fe
  110. -21:45:21- (spiral) and with more skill
  111. -21:45:40- (spiral) than, i would guess, INTPs older than you
  112. -21:45:59- (Belial) here's one more thing, notice how Anthile has strong opinions on people, specifically on their character
  113. -21:46:08- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) To me, humans are simply puppets - and I'm just a puppet who can see its strings
  114. -21:46:17- (Belial) back in the day of trolls
  115. -21:46:18- (spiral) yah, that 'opinion' is what im calling the analysis
  116. -21:46:26- (spiral) because its not some just out of nowhere opinion
  117. -21:46:31- (spiral) Fe is objective and looks at what is up
  118. -21:46:33- (spiral) and determines things
  119. -21:46:35- (Belial) anthile would call them soulless
  120. -21:46:41- (spiral) i know, because ive become more aware my own Fe by studying this type stuff
  121. -21:46:47- (charles) the trick is balancing both seeing the strings and living out the experience of humans, Anthile
  122. -21:46:48- (spiral) and i now understand it in myself -.-
  123. -21:47:16- (Belial) I notice how there's a number of people thinking Anthile dislikes them
  124. -21:47:34- (Belial) and a number of people saying "Anhtile is wonderful and a deep person"
  125. -21:48:28- (Belial) He will either be very nice and affectionate to people he likes, or he will act like a complete ass to them, hostile even, showing little ambivalence or neutrality
  126. -21:48:30- (Saffy) Anthile hates me =P
  127. -21:49:03- (Belial) He immediatelly shows the attitude
  128. -21:49:06- (Belial) I like
  129. -21:49:09- (Belial) I dislike
  130. -21:50:00- (Belial) that's not very INTP imo
  131. -21:51:09- (spiral) even if anthile appears to dislike someone
  132. -21:51:14- (spiral) and even if anthile is hostile towards them
  133. -21:51:21- (spiral) even if he acts ambilent
  134. -21:51:23- (spiral) i bet u pay attention to them
  135. -21:51:26- (spiral) and analyze them
  136. -21:51:27- (spiral) anthile
  137. -21:51:32- (spiral) am i rite? am i rite?
  138. -21:51:34- (spiral) o_o
  139. -21:51:40- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) hm?
  140. -21:51:55- (Belial) You know what I don't like
  141. -21:52:08- (spiral) that is, i doubt anyone really stops 'mattering' to you in some way or another
  142. -21:52:20- (spiral) even if the outcome of that 'mattering' is to have nothing to do with them
  143. -21:52:25- (Belial) Anthile instigates these discussions and then he ignores what we say
  144. -21:52:55- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) I don't ignore
  145. -21:52:58- (Belial) selective attention, yo?
  146. -21:53:17- (spiral) he doesnt ignore what we say
  147. -21:53:18- (spiral) :)
  148. -21:53:20- (spiral) he processes
  149. -21:53:26- (spiral) and then continues to be undetermined
  150. -21:53:27- (Belial) I want to hear what he thinks
  151. -21:53:30- (spiral) because of Ni o_o
  152. -21:53:33- (spiral) anyway...
  153. -21:53:35- (Belial) what he disagrees with
  154. -21:53:36- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) about what?
  155. -21:53:42- (Belial) I WANT ELABORATION
  156. -21:53:45- (spiral) :P
  157. -21:53:52- (spiral) this is inferior Fe at work ppls o_O
  158. -21:53:54- (spiral) i hope your taking notes
  159. -21:54:12- (Belial) Anthile, you obviously disagree with what we're saying, or aren't convinced
  160. -21:54:18- (spiral) notice how Fukyo's is less skilled with Fe than you ? :P
  161. -21:54:22- (Belial) but yet, you just clam up
  162. -21:54:28- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) because Adymus suggests something else
  163. -21:54:36- • Belial facepalms
  164. -21:54:50- (Belial) That's all great
  165. -21:54:56- (Belial) but - the reasoning
  166. -21:55:06- (Belial) of why you disagree
  167. -21:55:11- (Belial) is what lacks here
  168. -21:55:18- (spiral) just to shoot at the intj idea, since we're at it..
  169. -21:55:37- (Belial) because this is just one sided then
  170. -21:55:41- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) because I cannot identify with iNFJ
  171. -21:55:46- (spiral) my intj housemate - this guy will go with me to things for a whole day, where if you paid any attention to the damn people, in 30 minutes you would've picked up on things that this guy manages to remain completely oblivious to
  172. -21:55:50- (spiral) cuz he gave it absolutely no thought
  173. -21:55:52- (Belial) and we can't correct if you don't elaborate
  174. -21:56:10- (spiral) this dude can go days probably without thinking about the people dynamics of the people he interacted with on those days...
  175. -21:56:19- (spiral) can u?
  176. -21:56:35- (spiral) go days without thinking of ppl and how u relate to them or whats up with them?
  177. -21:56:38- (spiral) i doubt it -.-
  178. -21:56:39- (Belial) (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) because I cannot identify with iNFJ - and now you explain why. You, not Adymus.
  179. -21:56:43- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) in RL, my emotions are close to zero
  180. -21:56:44- • spiral blam blams the intj idea
  181. -21:56:54- (spiral) i said think about
  182. -21:57:44- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) I haven't contacted my sister since I moved
  183. -21:57:57- (spiral) that's not the issue either
  184. -21:58:06- (spiral) i have tertiary Fe and let's not even go into who i havent contacted in ever
  185. -21:58:12- (Belial) You do realize emotions are a normal part of your neuro chemistry
  186. -21:58:15- (spiral) do you go any day? even half a day?
  187. -21:58:21- (spiral) without thinking about people dynamics in some way?
  188. -21:58:29- (spiral) like your relationship to them
  189. -21:58:30- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) I don't know
  190. -21:58:33- (spiral) or what that guy is about...
  191. -21:58:37- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) I don't know any people in RL
  192. -21:58:50- (spiral) online ppl
  193. -21:58:54- (spiral) ppl u havent seen in a while
  194. -21:58:55- (Belial) Look here:
  195. -21:58:56- (spiral) it dont matter who
  196. -21:58:59- (Belial) (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) To me, humans are simply puppets - and I'm just a puppet who can see its strings
  197. -21:59:09- (Belial) MANAGEMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES
  198. -21:59:21- (spiral) ok wait, i got my QED
  199. -21:59:24- • spiral steps up to the bat
  200. -21:59:27- (spiral) this is how i know you are not Ti
  201. -21:59:30- (spiral) your not going to like it
  202. -21:59:32- (spiral) but i dont give a shit
  203. -21:59:35- (spiral) cuz im entp
  204. -21:59:41- (spiral) for the past bit
  205. -21:59:47- (spiral) i gave u prepositions
  206. -21:59:49- (spiral) as has fukyo
  207. -21:59:54- (spiral) and like many times before
  208. -21:59:57- (spiral) but if u want, just scroll up on this convo
  209. -22:00:06- (spiral) ur refutation or related item
  210. -22:00:12- (spiral) like adymus said or - ur , emotions connection
  211. -22:00:17- (spiral) you used your own defintiions
  212. -22:00:26- (spiral) and did not go for any of the main prepositions
  213. -22:00:35- (spiral) you arent attacking the problems Ti style, you arent hitting the logic points
  214. -22:00:41- (spiral) and you arent Ne+Ti ing what we say
  215. -22:00:46- (spiral) because if you did, you would use our definitions
  216. -22:00:55- (spiral) because when laid out with an idea, an NTP will take the 'system as defined in'
  217. -22:01:02- (spiral) and work on that framework
  218. -22:01:06- (spiral) so your arguments would be like
  219. -22:01:09- (spiral) 'thats not related to teh function
  220. -22:01:14- (spiral) 'that is misdefined as'
  221. -22:01:23- (spiral) 'that is true but this other thing counterweights it'
  222. -22:01:24- (spiral) etc
  223. -22:01:32- (spiral) youd be pushing and tugging on the 'vectors' of the problem
  224. -22:01:36- (spiral) i know im prob not making much sense to u
  225. -22:01:39- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) I have high standards for myself and others... but besides from that I never involve any emotions... I simply don't feel F
  226. -22:01:39- (spiral) but fukyo prob knows what i mean
  227. -22:01:42- (spiral) few can see this model
  228. -22:01:45- (spiral) its what Ti is intimate with
  229. -22:02:10- (spiral) you dont see and process the logic prepositions automatically
  230. -22:02:28- (spiral) and you dont address the problems using that kind of criteria
  231. -22:02:30- (spiral) or methodology
  232. -22:02:32- (spiral) .you are not Ti.
  233. -22:02:47- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) I am not?
  234. -22:02:52- (spiral) thats what im saying -.-
  235. -22:02:57- (spiral) im saying you dont see the model
  236. -22:03:02- (Belial) Anthile, why do you bring up emotions?
  237. -22:03:03- (spiral) and you dont approach things in the Ti way
  238. 22:03:11- (spiral) and you dont have a need for categorization either
  239. -22:03:18- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) Because you say I am F
  240. -22:03:23- (spiral) you like to stay in your ambiguous Ni world
  241. -22:03:23- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) and i say I'm not
  242. -22:03:26- (Belial) ..........
  243. -22:03:32- (Belial) .............................................
  244. -22:03:37- (spiral) but Ti is not ambiguous at all
  245. -22:03:42- (spiral) Ti wants to drop all ambiguities
  246. -22:03:51- (spiral) and make clear defined categorizations and connections and subcategories and relations
  247. -22:04:04- (spiral) and that drive isnt visible in u
  248. -22:04:07- (spiral) u avoid it actually
  249. -22:04:11- (spiral) like Ni does...
  250. -22:04:13- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) why do I feel so emotionally numb then?
  251. -22:04:21- (Belial) ffs
  252. -22:04:24- (spiral) cuz Ni thinks things are too complex sometimes to be approached in such ways
  253. -22:04:27- (spiral) see, exactly
  254. -22:04:39- (spiral) ur counterargument is a RELATED (intuition) idea
  255. -22:04:45- (spiral) not an attack on our logic
  256. -22:04:58- (Belial) Someone explain the difference between MBTI judgment and emotions
  257. -22:05:02- (spiral) cuz im not arguing even if your F or not
  258. -22:05:04- (spiral) im arguing !NTP
  259. -22:05:13- (spiral) That Ni trumps Ti for you
  260. -22:05:25- (spiral) im arguing NJ over NP
  261. -22:05:50- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) before I knew MBTI and someone asked me whether I am more thinker or feeler, I would have no hesitation and say I'm a thinker
  262. -22:05:58- (spiral) ok, so?
  263. -22:06:05- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) everyone who knows me in RL would say the same
  264. -22:06:06- (spiral) if someone came up to me and asked me if im an extrovert or introvert
  265. -22:06:09- (spiral) i would have said introvert
  266. -22:06:11- (spiral) cuz i dislike most ppl
  267. -22:06:12- (spiral) :)
  268. -22:06:38- (Belial) This is not going anywhere because he simply still clings to colloquial meanings of the words Thinker and Feeler
  269. -22:06:40- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) it simply seems to contradict my whole life
  270. -22:06:42- (spiral) T vs F: impersonal vs personal reasoning
  271. -22:06:45- (spiral) both are reasoned
  272. -22:06:47- (Belial) mean*
  273. -22:06:48- (spiral) both involve 'thinking'
  274. -22:06:49- (Belial) to*
  275. -22:06:51- (spiral) its how you think that differs
  276. -22:06:54- (ziggy) if someone came up to me and asked if i was a sensor or an intuitive, i would have answered intuitive
  277. -22:07:00- (ziggy) in the past
  278. -22:07:26- (spiral) yah, i think what you thought doesnt matter O_O
  279. -22:07:41- (spiral) i think the only way to assess type is to see what is
  280. -22:07:46- (spiral) as best u can
  281. -22:08:09- (Belial) I could argue that "Feelers" are better at emotion management and therfore are more even tempered, what then?
  282. -22:08:09- (spiral) and we got the following three -definitions-
  283. -22:08:13- (spiral) [or we throw away type]
  284. -22:08:19- (spiral) intp = ti ne si fe
  285. -22:08:25- (spiral) intj = ni te fi se
  286. -22:08:47- (spiral) infj = ni fe ti se
  287. -22:09:01- (Belial) Making a reasoning that a Thinker is emotionally numb or has a decreased level of emotion is completelly insane
  288. -22:09:04- (spiral) now, your fe is too developed to be intp
  289. -22:09:09- (spiral) and your ni outranks your ti
  290. -22:09:11- (spiral) so inxj
  291. -22:09:16- (spiral) cuz ntp - no go-
  292. -22:09:24- (spiral) that you still dont understand why Ti is no go
  293. -22:09:32- (spiral) after all i typed , and dont even know how to counter argue right now
  294. -22:09:35- (spiral) is why you dont have Ti
  295. -22:09:39- (spiral) :)
  296. -22:09:41- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) I looked for INFJ with schizoid personality disorder
  297. -22:09:47- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) such don't seem to exist
  298. -22:09:56- (spiral) out of inxj, your Fe outranks your Ti
  299. -22:09:58- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) but plenty of INTP and INTJ with that
  300. -22:10:04- (spiral) and Fe outranks Fi
  301. -22:10:20- (spiral) and your Ti prob outranks your Se
  302. -22:10:50- (spiral) but Fe > Fi in you, for sure
  303. -22:11:00- (spiral) and NTP? no.
  304. -22:11:05- (Belial) Emotional numbness is a consequence of either some chemical,or neurotransmitter imbalance or of a mental or personality disorder of some sort, all of which MBTI does not deal with
  305. -22:11:24- (Belial) F and T are reasoning processes
  306. -22:11:33- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) but why aren't there any other INFJs with SPD?
  307. -22:11:34- (Belial) we're talking about CRITERIA here
  308. -22:11:49- (Belial) and maybe you have no SPD
  309. -22:11:51- (ziggy) Anthile: why does there have to be?
  310. -22:11:55- (spiral) thats a seperate issue
  311. -22:11:58- (Belial) Thought of that?
  312. -22:12:07- (spiral) see, thats ziggy's Ti in motion right there
  313. -22:12:10- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) because there are plenty of INTPs and INTJs with SPD
  314. -22:12:17- (spiral) notice how all Ti dom/secs, recognized that immediately o_o
  315. -22:12:40- (ziggy) you're making a correlation, when one might not exist
  316. -22:12:51- (spiral) ^^ see he sees the model in his head automatically
  317. -22:13:00- (Belial) First off all: SPD is questionable as a disorder in general for me
  318. -22:13:03- (ziggy) :>
  319. -22:13:03- (spiral) that's how Ti works
  320. -22:13:43- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) you see, if I am SPD and INFJ one would assume that there might be other people with that condition
  321. -22:14:12- (Belial) second MBTI has definitions for Thinker ans Feeler that DO NOT involve richness of your emotional experience
  322. -22:14:36- (Belial) I lurk on the SPD forum
  323. -22:15:00- (Belial) Did you know they have people who claim to be INFPs with SPD
  324. -22:15:03- (Belial) there
  325. -22:15:15- (ziggy) maybe there is
  326. -22:15:18- (Belial) The problem is
  327. -22:15:24- (ziggy) absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
  328. -22:15:39- (Belial) that both the types of these people and the SPD diagnosis are questionable here
  329. -22:15:59- (Belial) and it really depends on the sample
  330. -22:16:04- (ziggy) @Anthile
  331. -22:16:09- (Belial) statistics are far from bulletproof
  332. -22:16:10- (spiral) your teaching him how the model works, see
  333. -22:16:16- (spiral) but thats irrelevant here
  334. -22:16:24- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) my mind simply says 'The chance to be an INTX with SPD is very much higher than to be an INFJ with SPD'
  335. -22:16:26- (spiral) because you arent going to show an INxJ what you mean
  336. -22:16:34- (spiral) by arguing the way you would to yourself (as Ti dom/sec)
  337. -22:16:44- • spiral rolls up his sleeves
  338. -22:16:52- • spiral tries to recall interactions with all the intjs he knows
  339. -22:16:53- (spiral) ok
  340. -22:16:55- (spiral) dude
  341. -22:16:59- (spiral) ur fuckin infj
  342. -22:17:01- (spiral) :D
  343. -22:17:11- (Belial) I'm going it because he apparently misunderstands some things about MBTI, leading to a mistype
  344. -22:17:15- (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) The SPD diagnosis does not stem from some internet test but from hours of professional testing
  345. -22:17:26- (spiral) firstly, let me tell you a bunch of things that arent true for the types you think you are
  346. -22:17:30- (Belial) it*
  347. -22:17:38- (spiral) the way you spend all that time in your head going from one idea to the next
  348. -22:17:42- (spiral) the way you visualize those ideas
  349. -22:17:47- (spiral) and the way you then go to another idea
  350. -22:17:49- (spiral) and are now 'in that idea'
  351. -22:17:55- (spiral) and they relate but you go from one to the next
  352. -22:17:59- (spiral) ntps dont do that
  353. -22:18:06- (spiral) and you know how you think a lot about people
  354. -22:18:11- (spiral) and wonder if they are doing the right thing
  355. -22:18:13- (Belial) Anthile, self assessment is a hugely biased thing, regardless of which "professional" administers your test
  356. -22:18:18- (spiral) or if the forum
  357. -22:18:21- (spiral) and other things are doing 'well'
  358. -22:18:31- (spiral) and how they are muturing and you get worried about the community of the forum
  359. -22:18:38- (spiral) in times of stress more than you do on the particular individuals
  360. -22:18:44- (spiral) well this is something intjs dont do
  361. -22:18:56- (spiral) and you know how you worry about how you dont get along with people
  362. -22:19:00- (spiral) and it bothers you that you dont get along with people
  363. -22:19:05- (spiral) intjs dont worry about that much neither
  364. -22:19:10- (spiral) its a thorn but its irrelevant
  365. -22:19:17- (spiral) and it doesnt get in the way of their day to day in any serious manner
  366. -22:19:23- (spiral) oh and you know how you think music
  367. -22:19:27- (spiral) and a lot of really complicated ideas
  368. -22:19:32- (spiral) like "what you like about death metal jazz"
  369. -22:19:38- (spiral) are things that , if you even tried to put into words
  370. -22:19:47- (spiral) or understanding in a 'categorical' or 'model' kind of way
  371. -22:19:52- (spiral) would be like a superficial attempt
  372. -22:20:00- (spiral) to capture something that is beyond the complexity that is tangible?
  373. -22:20:02- (spiral) yah, thats your Ni
  374. -22:20:07- (spiral) and you know NTPs, that you hang about
  375. -22:20:09- (spiral) they try to do that
  376. -22:20:15- (spiral) find how things are related, like music
  377. -22:20:18- (spiral) or this is kinda like that
  378. -22:20:25- (spiral) and they do things some things are too complicated
  379. -22:20:30- (spiral) but to them its like a problem too hard to tackle
  380. -22:20:38- (spiral) not something that is ridiculous on the onset
  381. -22:20:45- (spiral) and another thing
  382. -22:20:51- (spiral) you know how you like to be certain about things
  383. -22:20:55- (spiral) and get a grasp before going forward
  384. -22:20:58- (spiral) yah, not so much the ntps
  385. -22:21:05- (spiral) they kinda take things 'as they go'
  386. -22:21:11- (spiral) and keep shifting as they go through a problem
  387. -22:21:28- (spiral) in a way that youd find uncomfortable
  388. -22:21:33- (spiral) for people to keep changing plans on you every 5 minutes
  389. -22:21:35- (spiral) even if it was yourself
  390. -22:22:10- (spiral) oh and you know how you find it a bit insulting
  391. -22:22:14- (spiral) when people forget important things about you
  392. -22:22:19- (spiral) like special moments and days
  393. -22:22:23- (spiral) like that shows they dont care
  394. -22:22:26- (spiral) well an intp
  395. -22:22:37- (spiral) they get bugged more from the ppl who call to show they care
  396. -22:22:39- (spiral) they like it in a way
  397. -22:22:41- (spiral) but its trippy
  398. -22:22:48- (spiral) they dont got a grip on it the same way
  399. -22:22:53- (spiral) and might be the type of ppl youd think
  400. -22:23:02- (spiral) dont value others enough
  401. -22:23:16- (spiral) or think about how they affect other people enough
  402. -22:23:20- (spiral) anyway...
  403. -22:23:35- (spiral) thats my attempt at presenting it not in the NTP logic argument way
  404. -22:23:42- (spiral) but the way i would to an intj
  405. -22:23:46- (spiral) but intj got Fi, so that may vary
  406. -22:24:00- (spiral) cuz Fi kinda does that 'oh i can relate to this ' thing, and i dont know how that would work in an infj
  407. -22:24:06- (spiral) but that was my best shot -.-
  408. -22:24:29- (spiral) tertiary Fi tho...
  409. -22:24:31- (spiral) er Ti
  410. -22:24:46- (spiral) its in there
  411. -22:24:52- (spiral) anyway, i think ur infj
  412. -22:25:04- (spiral) and i think so strongly enuf i think u related to that
  413. -22:26:48- (spiral) i remember surrending a long time back
  414. -22:27:03- ººº¹ Nick» (Anthile|Mouth_of_Madness) is now known as (Anthile|Alphaville)
  415. -22:27:59- (Anthile|Alphaville) alright
  416. -22:28:09- (Anthile|Alphaville) I'm INFJ if it makes Fukyo happier
  417. -22:28:51- (spiral) im infj if it makes fukyo happier
  418. -22:28:54- (spiral) lol@that
  419. -22:29:08- (spiral) a: what a clever, slightly underhanded skillful use of Fe that was
  420. -22:29:31- (spiral) b: how satisfactory to your Ni to still not stick any aspect of yourself into a categorical idea
  421. -22:29:35- (Belial) b: he's making fun of me
  422. -22:29:45- (spiral) (thats what i meant by slightly underhanded)
  423. -22:29:56- (spiral) and neat show that inferior Fe sees it just fine -.-
  424. -22:30:07- (spiral) meanwhile the intj fi is like "what happened?"
  425. -22:30:11- (Belial) lol
  426. -22:30:34- (Anthile|Alphaville) I'm never making fun of you :|
  427. -22:31:18- (spiral) teasing, right anthile?
  428. -22:31:28- (spiral) teasing, the prankster skill of the Fe
  429. -22:31:40- (spiral) but you just had to make it clear, the relationship
  430. -22:31:43- (spiral) that its non hostile
  431. -22:31:45- (Anthile|Alphaville) Fukyo is a like a sister to me!
  432. -22:31:46- (spiral) didnt u?
  433. -22:31:49- (spiral) and more clear
  434. -22:32:00- (spiral) as to use this as an opportunity to strengthen the relationship
  435. -22:32:04- (spiral) well done infj -.-
  436.  
  437.  
  438. -22:34:48- (spiral) is call them little sister
  439. -22:34:50- (spiral) -.-
  440. -22:34:54- (spiral) am i rite? am i rite?
  441. -22:34:57- (spiral) im right -.-
  442. -22:35:13- (Anthile|Alphaville) :D
  443. -22:35:42- (Saffy) Fukyo is Anthile's little sister? =P
  444. -22:36:19- (spiral) let's go with it
  445. -22:36:20- (spiral) i'm all for it
  446. -22:37:07- (spiral) my guess, fukyo, am i rite?: adorable ,...yet totally tingling around the 'autonomy' need of an NTP / can be seem as forward and pushin on space
  447. -22:37:20- (spiral) ^^^ which is also why im all for it
  448. -22:37:48- (spiral) <-- cuz i has Fe prankster , cuz my Fe is subverted by my Ne and bwahahahahaha
  449. -22:37:50- (Saffy) All for what?
  450. -22:38:05- (Belial) (yes, its a little annoying in its implications, but still innocent enough to pass)
  451. -22:38:08- (spiral) all for playing along with and taking part in referring to fukyo as anthile's little sis
  452. -22:38:12- • Saffy can't connect her thoughts when she's tired
  453. -22:38:19- (Saffy) oh, okaies
  454. -22:38:21- (Anthile|Alphaville) why annoying?
  455. -22:38:21- (spiral) innocent enough to pass...i like
  456. -22:38:33- (spiral) thats good anthile, thats like an ideal shot
  457. -22:38:58- (spiral) cuz theres the line, and u got the cue ball as close to the line without passin
  458. -22:39:12- (spiral) u truly are gifted with that Fe
  459. -22:39:18- (Anthile|Alphaville) I am?
  460. -22:39:18- (spiral) :D
  461. -22:39:21- (spiral) yes
  462. -22:39:25- • Anthile|Alphaville has no idea what's going on
  463. -22:39:28- (spiral) u stubborn infj
  464. -22:39:31- (spiral) i know
  465. -22:39:40- (Belial) You have no idea what Fe really is
  466. -22:39:43- (spiral) thats ok, im gonna write some database stuff
  467. -22:39:46- (Belial) and how it can be used
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