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  1. [8/1/2014 11:32:10 PM] Jon Fornwalt: Hello Joshua Smith / Aeternalis, I'd like to add you as a contact.
  2. [8/1/2014 11:32:21 PM] *** Joshua Smith / Aeternalis has shared contact details with Jon Fornwalt. ***
  3. [8/1/2014 11:32:26 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: can you talk?
  4. [8/1/2014 11:32:33 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: like on voice?
  5. [8/1/2014 11:32:39 PM] Jon Fornwalt: in a call with two other friends.
  6. [8/1/2014 11:32:56 PM] Jon Fornwalt: and yes, I have a $250 headset. it obviously has a mic. xD
  7. [8/1/2014 11:33:08 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: ik I meant like parents in bed or something
  8. [8/1/2014 11:33:22 PM] Jon Fornwalt: they're not home for the weekend xD
  9. [8/1/2014 11:33:41 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: lucky son of a...
  10. [8/1/2014 11:33:46 PM] Jon Fornwalt: LOL
  11. [8/1/2014 11:39:12 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "The one major rule is that you must not distribute anything we‘ve made. By “distribute anything we‘ve made” what we mean is “give copies of the game away, make commercial use of, try to make money from, or let other people get access to our game and its parts in a way that is unfair or unreasonable”. So the one major rule is that (unless we specifically agree it – such as in brand and asset usage guidelines) you must not:
  12.  
  13. give copies of our Game to anyone else;
  14. make commercial use of anything we‘ve made;
  15. try to make money from anything we‘ve made; or
  16. let other people get access to anything we‘ve made in a way that is unfair or unreasonable."
  17. [8/1/2014 11:39:22 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: We can't sell any item
  18. [8/1/2014 11:39:29 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: or part of our server
  19. [8/1/2014 11:39:37 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: only /hat and prefixes
  20. [8/1/2014 11:39:45 PM] Jon Fornwalt: that won't last long
  21. [8/1/2014 11:39:52 PM] Jon Fornwalt: public demand will make that change
  22. [8/1/2014 11:39:58 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: There's a petition
  23. [8/1/2014 11:40:09 PM] Jon Fornwalt: not surprised by that at all
  24. [8/1/2014 11:40:35 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/mojang-change-your-eula
  25. [8/1/2014 11:40:45 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Sign it. Put in random shit for the adress.
  26. [8/1/2014 11:42:10 PM] Jon Fornwalt: the actual request of the petition won't change anything
  27. [8/1/2014 11:42:26 PM] Jon Fornwalt: it says "make the EULA more clear as to what you want"
  28. [8/1/2014 11:42:48 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: That's a misdescription
  29. [8/1/2014 11:42:53 PM] Jon Fornwalt: ?
  30. [8/1/2014 11:43:00 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Mojang knows damn well what we want.
  31. [8/1/2014 11:43:05 PM] Jon Fornwalt: yeah
  32. [8/1/2014 11:43:25 PM] Jon Fornwalt: and I don't think we're gonna have a problem getting it. Mojang has always been about the community
  33. [8/1/2014 11:43:32 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Not now.
  34. [8/1/2014 11:43:41 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: You know why they're pulling this stunt?
  35. [8/1/2014 11:43:41 PM] Jon Fornwalt: it'll change.
  36. [8/1/2014 11:43:44 PM] Jon Fornwalt: no
  37. [8/1/2014 11:43:47 PM | Edited 11:43:50 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Realms
  38. [8/1/2014 11:44:12 PM] Jon Fornwalt: it will NEVER succeed until they allow plugins and bukkit
  39. [8/1/2014 11:44:15 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: They get all the money for Realms. This server massacre will draw people to it.
  40. [8/1/2014 11:44:25 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Because of the drop of servers
  41. [8/1/2014 11:44:39 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Server compaineis will increase their prices exponentially.
  42. [8/1/2014 11:44:40 PM] Jon Fornwalt: It won't succeed without the plugins and everything that makes MP what it is
  43. [8/1/2014 11:44:48 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Eventually it'll be $100 a month for 1 gb
  44. [8/1/2014 11:45:03 PM] Jon Fornwalt: MP will die completely then
  45. [8/1/2014 11:45:17 PM] Jon Fornwalt: people will play other games, like Terraria. Free to host.
  46. [8/1/2014 11:45:19 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Realms will be the only alternative other than reverse-engineering lan servers
  47. [8/1/2014 11:45:57 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: That's my whole point. All they want is money.
  48. [8/1/2014 11:46:03 PM] Jon Fornwalt: Realms will not take off without plugin support. Plugins will basically make Realms into what MP is now
  49. [8/1/2014 11:46:19 PM] Jon Fornwalt: It won't take off. They'll learn.
  50. [8/1/2014 11:47:08 PM] *** Joshua Smith / Aeternalis sent h1Q4ZUX6.txt ***
  51. [8/1/2014 11:47:24 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: chat logs between mojang reps and server owners
  52. [8/1/2014 11:47:40 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: I read the whole fucking thing. All mojang is doing is getting more money.
  53. [8/1/2014 11:47:46 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: The paste online got removed by mojang
  54. [8/1/2014 11:47:52 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: I was able to download it.
  55. [8/1/2014 11:48:21 PM | Edited 11:48:22 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: It's full of swearing and arguments with Erik Broes
  56. [8/1/2014 11:48:31 PM] Jon Fornwalt: Mojang is a multi BILLION dollar company. They'll notice a ridiculous decrease in revenue.
  57. [8/1/2014 11:48:36 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "publicpwner21: Because there is literally not a single minecraft
  58.  
  59. server that does not accept donations or payments of any sort."
  60. [8/1/2014 11:48:48 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Erik Broes: donations are no problem, but only in that purest sense,
  61.  
  62. you get *NOTHING* back for a donation"
  63. [8/1/2014 11:48:54 PM] Jon Fornwalt: LOL
  64. [8/1/2014 11:49:12 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "publicpwner21: and how many ten year olds will actually give their
  65.  
  66. parent's money to someone without some sort of benefit to them?"
  67. [8/1/2014 11:49:54 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Erik Broes: you'll get 1.7.10 first
  68. Erik Broes: mostly stuff so we don't need a .11 for realms"
  69. [8/1/2014 11:49:56 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: See?
  70. [8/1/2014 11:50:12 PM] Jon Fornwalt: yeah
  71. [8/1/2014 11:50:25 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Drew: Yay realms
  72. Drew: The shit no one wants"
  73. [8/1/2014 11:50:33 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Erik Broes: no-one seems to be more than 25000 people though Drew"
  74. [8/1/2014 11:51:23 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Erik Broes: doing micro-transactions around realms is not really
  75.  
  76. interesting"
  77. [8/1/2014 11:51:31 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: They are going to rip off of bukkit soon
  78. [8/1/2014 11:51:51 PM] Jon Fornwalt: if realms takes off it'll be the same as MP is now
  79. [8/1/2014 11:51:59 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Except for one thing
  80. [8/1/2014 11:52:04 PM] Jon Fornwalt: no donations
  81. [8/1/2014 11:52:11 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Mojang will have full controll over it.
  82. [8/1/2014 11:52:20 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: That means they will make the plugins
  83. [8/1/2014 11:52:23 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: they call the shots
  84. [8/1/2014 11:52:38 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: they say what goes on and what does not
  85. [8/1/2014 11:52:44 PM] Jon Fornwalt: won't work
  86. [8/1/2014 11:53:13 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Haxtor Moogle Kupo: so is 3d printing minecraft related stuff agenst
  87.  
  88. the tos?
  89. [3/06/2014 3:34:01 PM] Erik Broes: depends what you print
  90. [3/06/2014 3:34:15 PM] Erik Broes: and at what volume"
  91. [8/1/2014 11:53:23 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Soon they will control minecraft-related art
  92. [8/1/2014 11:53:27 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Then mods
  93. [8/1/2014 11:53:34 PM] Jon Fornwalt: no they won't
  94. [8/1/2014 11:53:36 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: And then they've got us by the balls.
  95. [8/1/2014 11:53:57 PM] Jon Fornwalt: it won't go through. people will stop playing minecraft.
  96. [8/1/2014 11:54:05 PM] Jon Fornwalt: Rust is like Minecraft 6.0
  97. [8/1/2014 11:55:23 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: People won't stop.
  98. [8/1/2014 11:55:30 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: The appeal is enourmous.
  99. [8/1/2014 11:55:46 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: There will still be 10-year-olds who think that the game is still good.
  100. [8/1/2014 11:56:26 PM] Jon Fornwalt: well... they know their demographic. however the actual post-pubescent community would put them in their place
  101. [8/1/2014 11:57:18 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: I'm 15. Most of teh community is children, NOT teenagers. They know no better than to think that the EULA only means no more 'meanies with op stuff"
  102. [8/1/2014 11:57:35 PM] Jon Fornwalt: essentially
  103. [8/1/2014 11:58:15 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Mojang is also claiming ownership of Voxel by doing this, which is a huge no-no.
  104. [8/1/2014 11:58:28 PM] Jon Fornwalt: what is voxel
  105. [8/1/2014 11:58:30 PM] Jon Fornwalt: lawl
  106. [8/1/2014 11:58:34 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Voxel is an idea, not mojang's demographic.
  107. [8/1/2014 11:58:43 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Look it up, I can't explain it.
  108. [8/1/2014 11:58:46 PM] Jon Fornwalt: they'd get sued
  109. [8/1/2014 11:58:55 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Voxel is not a person or company
  110. [8/1/2014 11:59:04 PM] Jon Fornwalt: someone thought of it
  111. [8/1/2014 11:59:12 PM] Jon Fornwalt: therefore someone can claim ownership to it
  112. [8/1/2014 11:59:15 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Erik Broes: Mason: as long as its not intersecting with the
  113.  
  114. Minecraft domain, do whatever, when it is -- follow our branding rules"
  115. [8/1/2014 11:59:32 PM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: It's 'under the minecraft domain'
  116. [12:00:01 AM] Jon Fornwalt: that's where they'll fuck you. they have their shit so legally protected, because they're extremely successful.
  117. [12:00:02 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "publicpwner21: but you told me that I can't sell my voxel shaped
  118.  
  119. cupcakes, even though it might not have anything to do with minecraft, there aren't even any -------------------------------------------------
  120.  
  121. cupcakes in minecraft."
  122. [12:00:29 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: They take whatever crdedibity the community+EULA pertition has and is screwing it over
  123. [12:00:47 AM] Jon Fornwalt: they'll realize that it won't work
  124. [12:01:30 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: It will work. They know it. They'll still have 10-year-olds idiots follow them, especially considering that's what they're community is made up of.
  125. [12:01:38 AM | Edited 12:01:43 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: That's where they've got us.
  126. [12:01:51 AM] Jon Fornwalt: yeah?
  127. [12:02:10 AM] Jon Fornwalt: I don't see your point whatsoever. They know their demographic. Not much we can do,
  128. [12:03:10 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: The children of the community don't care about what mojang does as long as they can play the game equally with others. That's the whole reason mojang did this, all the immature children of the community were bitching.
  129. [12:03:56 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Twitter.com/lelddos
  130. [12:04:04 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: That was involved at this time
  131. [12:04:18 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Mineplex was down right before the EULA was made public
  132. [12:04:28 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: so were biocraft and hundreds of others
  133. [12:04:49 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: LElddos has a member apparently related to mojang
  134. [12:04:56 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: This can't be a coincidence.
  135. [12:05:30 AM] Jon Fornwalt: you're incinuating that they ddos'd the popular servers that interfered with the EULA which hasn't to this day gone into effect?
  136. [12:05:45 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: No.
  137. [12:06:02 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: They wanted to flex their muscle
  138. [12:06:09 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: But mask it by also ddosing mojang
  139. [12:06:40 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Haxtor Moogle Kupo: erik you should sue them"
  140. [12:06:46 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Erik Broes: for what?"
  141. [12:06:53 AM | Edited 12:07:12 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Haxtor Moogle Kupo: violating tos : )"
  142. [12:07:02 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Erik Broes: aren't they down? ;D"
  143. [12:07:21 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: Coincidence? No way.
  144. [12:07:47 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Mario: what part of the tos are they violating"
  145. [12:07:54 AM | Edited 12:07:59 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "Erik Broes: making money of minecraft : P"
  146. [12:08:08 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: they never enforced it, that's their own fault.
  147. [12:08:27 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: "[3/06/2014 4:49:27 PM] Mario: and no, i dont think you could use any of that data in court
  148. [3/06/2014 4:49:50 PM] Mario: its all illegally obtained"
  149. [12:08:37 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: That CAN'T POSSIBLY be a coincidence
  150. [12:08:48 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: I saw something bad coming since 1.6
  151. [12:09:33 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: They just dazzle everyone with constant updates and new launchers to attract people, then they pull this after they have our money to get more money from realms.
  152. [12:10:20 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: If you really think mojang didn't plan this... it just doesn't add up.
  153. [12:12:22 AM | Removed 12:13:32 AM] Joshua Smith / Aeternalis: This message has been removed.
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