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- [MUSIC]
- (Lew) Good morning,
- this is the Lew Rockwell Show.
- and how great to have
- as our guest this morning
- Sibel Edmonds.
- Sibel is an extraordinary person, a very
- brave person, a very principled person.
- Somebody who was horriffically oppressed
- by the US government.
- She hasn't let that stop her.
- Take a look at her website,
- Boiling Frogs Post.
- She's the author of Classified Woman: The Sibel Edmonds Story,
- where she tells... I'm gonna ask her
- to tell us a little bit
- about what the government
- did to her previously,
- but we're here to talk today
- especially about her new novel,
- The Lone Gladio.
- Now, who knew that Sibel
- was gonna be a thriller writer?
- But it's quite wonderful,
- and it's an exciting novel.
- It's a truth-telling novel.
- It's what, in the old days, they would have called a roman à clef,
- because in an increasingly
- authoritarian society,
- all throughout history, people have had
- to use novels to tell the truth
- when they couldn't actually do it
- in the guise of non-fiction.
- But Sibel: tell us, first of all...
- -- and I know this is a very long topic --
- ...but what did the government do to you?
- Why did they do it? Why didn't you buckle?
- (Sibel) As you know,
- the ACLU classified me
- as the most classified, gagged woman
- in the history of the United States.
- Yes.
- That's because I have received more
- number of gag orders
- and the invocation of
- State Secrets Privilege repeatedly.
- In fact, even the Congressional hearings
- and investigation of my case
- were all stopped by the Justice Department
- through retroactive
- classification invocation,
- and the State Secrets Privilege
- invocation.
- Iworked for less than a year for the FBI
- as a Language Specialist.
- (Lew) You speak four languages.
- You actually know foreign languages,
- unlike the people who work
- in the FBI normally.
- (Sibel) (laughs) Right. And because of that,
- even though I was initially hired
- as a Language Specialist,
- I ended up working with
- counterintelligence FBI agents
- as an analyst, because they did not
- have any analysts...
- -- the FBI, the entire organization --
- ...who knew the area.
- And this is Central Asia/Caucasus
- and all the former Soviet countries.
- The languages: Turkic language.
- And Turkish is my primary language,
- but I also speak Azerbaijani.
- So not only I did translation for them,
- but I regularly helped them
- with the analysis
- because you have to go through
- some newspaper articles in the country...
- -- let's say it's in Azerbaijan,
- or it's in Turkey --
- and see how that relates to our case.
- Well, those articles would be in Turkish,
- and the agents wanted to find out
- about some significance, relevance,
- of the ongoing counterintelligence operation.
- So during my work with the FBI,
- I got to and I became aware of
- some really incredible
- operations and cases
- that were ongoing from 1996
- all the way 'til February, 2002.
- Therefore, after I blew the whistle,
- the FBI and the Justice Department,
- and also the State Department,
- they wanted to make sure
- that none of the information I learned...
- -- and we are not talking about ongoing
- investigations that would be jeopardized,
- or these special techniques
- for surveillance
- that would be jeopardized
- if I were to talk --
- ...but the content and the operations
- themselves would not become public.
- And to prevent that, they basically...
- -- this is the Justice Department,
- with a nudge and a push
- from the State Department --
- ...invoked the State Secrets Privilege
- in my case.
- Then they invoked it again,
- the second time,
- when I was asked to testify on a 9/11 case
- by the 9/11 family members.
- At the time, they had a lawsuit
- through this legal firm,
- and they wanted me to be
- one of their witnesses
- and testify on certain cases and issues.
- So the Justice Department
- stepped in again. And they said,
- "No, she cannot testify. Everything
- about her is classified,
- including her languages that she speaks,
- the degrees she has,
- the country she was born,
- the date of birth."
- They classified that. So I became
- the Classified Woman.
- And then when I wrote my first book,
- after I finished it...
- -- this is a biography, non-fiction --
- because I held the highest-level secret
- clearance -- security clearance --
- for the FBI, I was obligated
- to submit my manuscript,
- before publication, to the FBI,
- and have them go through
- the entire manuscript
- to see if they see anything
- that they consider classified.
- So with their black market,
- they would just cross out and say,
- "Well, this cannot be included
- in your book."
- Well, the process is supposed
- to be 30 days,
- and they have to respond to you
- with the redacted stuff.
- So you take it out, or you challenge it,
- then you publish.
- Well, in my case,
- that did not happen, Lew.
- We submitted it to the FBI.
- A month passed. Two months passed;
- three months passed: nothing.
- Finally, I had to go and hire attorneys.
- The attorneys started contacting
- the FBI and the DOJ
- and they were told
- that my entire book was classified.
- (Lew gasps)
- Therefore, they couldn't
- just black out anything.
- - (Sibel) And this is the book you have read.
- - (Lew) Yes.
- (Sibel) This is the book that
- has been available for three years.
- (Lew) Great book, by the way:
- Classified Woman.
- And it was Kafkaesque.
- We said, how could... they said,
- "Even the page numbers: there is nothing
- in this book you can publish."
- And we have, actually,
- official documents and letters from DOJ
- saying everything about this,
- everything in this book, is classified.
- At that point, I had to decide:
- do I back off and don't do it?
- Or do I say, "This is ridiculous!"
- Let them arrest me and take me to court,
- and show the court and, maybe, juries
- -- a team of juries --
- how can an entire book be classified, OK?
- This would be worse
- than Fahrenheit 451, right?
- Well, I published it, and I wanted to see
- what was going to happen as a result.
- And nothing happened.
- Because they truly, Constitutionally...
- -- not that that ever
- stops them nowadays --
- they were not really able to do anything.
- But that was when the idea
- of writing a fiction was conceived,
- because as I was going
- through this process,
- fighting to publish this book,
- I was told that if you write a fiction book,
- you don't have to submit it to the FBI,
- or the Justice Department, or the CIA.
- And I had that my Plan B, and saying,
- "Well, if they come and they say,
- 'We're gonna take all these books off the market, and...' et cetera,
- I would be forced to write fiction:
- because I had to write.
- I had to write the story, or stories,
- related to this particular area.
- So the idea was conceived at that point,
- and in fact, as soon as
- my book was published
- and a few months after that,
- when nothing happened,
- I began writing this book, that will be
- available on a very important date,
- and that is the September 11, 2014,
- the 13th anniversary of 9/11.
- And it's more than symbolic for me.
- People, when they read this book,
- they realize the significance of it,
- of course. And so I wrote it.
- And the idea at first, even to myself,
- sounded preposterous:
- to sit down and write a novel.
- I never considered myself an author.
- I'd never thought I would sit down
- and write a novel,
- but somehow I convinced myself
- and ended up doing it.
- And court of public opinion
- would determine
- if it was a worthwhile effort or not,
- of course; and that remains to be seen.
- (Lew) Well, Sibel,
- there's a lot extremely important
- information in this book.
- Of course, it's fun to read it as a novel.
- It's a thriller, as I said.
- It's worth it just on those grounds,
- but it's far more important than...
- I don't want to put down the novel as a form, but I mean, this book is...
- it's not just a novel: you're also,
- in this novel, telling the truth
- about a whole bunch of criminal activities by
- the government
- that have horrific effects; of the sort of thing
- that is still going on today,
- and maybe multiplied today
- to gin up new wars
- and new trouble all over the world.
- Tell us something about the plot
- of the novel,
- and the sort of things that you cover
- that you can only cover
- in the guise of a novel.
- (Sibel) Sure. The context for this novel,
- for the story,
- is based on Operation Gladio.
- Operation Gladio was an operation...
- -- paramilitary, false-flag operation --
- ...methods put in place
- during the Cold War.
- And this is by NATO and
- the United States intelligence agencies,
- specifically the CIA,
- and, of course, Pentagon.
- So they put together these
- paramilitary units in various countries,
- in order to use
- false flag operations, mainly,
- and other sorts of set-up,
- synthetic events
- in order to sway the public opinion on
- the Soviet Union and Communism, et cetera.
- Well, you would assume
- that such an operation...
- I mean, it's already confirmed.
- If people were to go
- and Google "Operation Gladio..."
- (Lew) Sure! No, it's fact.
- (Sibel) It's an established fact
- that we did engage...
- -- and this is we, the United States,
- through NATO,
- through our paramilitary and,
- in many cases, criminal networks
- that we employed --
- we set up a lot of false flag operations...
- -- false flag bombings,
- terrors, et cetera --
- ...in order to counter...
- -- I mean, that was the premise --
- ...the Soviets' power and their influence
- in the important, critical region.
- Well, you'd assume
- that this operation would end
- after the Cold War ended.
- However, this operation didn't end,
- but it was expanded and modified...
- (Lew) Mm-hmm.
- (Sibel) ...to fit the post-Soviet Union era.
- Because you are looking...
- -- after 1990, 1991 --
- ...you are looking at this area...
- -- and this is Central Asia and Caucasus --
- where the future of energy and resources
- are located, OK?
- Because we know the Saudi Arabias and
- their oil has a limited timestamp on it.
- It's not gonna be as relevant in 15 years
- from now, Saudi Arabia -- or even Iraq.
- The future of energy and resources,
- and also the pipeline:
- if you consider Pepe Escobar's phrase
- -- which I love -- "Pipelineistan,"
- again, you're looking at
- this former Soviet Union state.
- So here we were with the Cold War ended,
- and we had us: the West,
- the United States;
- you have China; and you have,
- to a certain degree, weakened Russia.
- And saying, whoever gets
- the control of this region
- is going to be the imperial power
- starting from this point on.
- So, just as Middle East was
- for almost... more than half a century,
- And Middle East: why do you think
- we put our bases in Saudi Arabia?
- How did that come about?
- Why did we install Shah in Iran?
- All the things we did in Middle East...
- -- installing puppet regimes,
- bringing about coups --
- ...all those things that we did
- was to control those nations
- that control the resources.
- I mean, some of our listeners here
- may recall
- the OPEC crisis
- in 1970s, for example.
- I mean, what could happen
- if some of these countries get together
- and defy the West, and say,
- "If you do this, we are going
- to put an embargo,
- or we're gonna make the price of oil
- such-and-such."
- Well, people here almost went crazy.
- They're like, "We don't care how you get
- our oil and gas to us,
- but get it to us cheap,
- and we don't care what you do."
- So, our government...
- -- and this is also
- United Kingdom as well --
- well, they focused on taking over
- these regimes,
- setting one against another, to make sure
- things like that won't happen again.
- I mean, we had that incident, and
- we haven't had that incident since.
- It was all about energy and resources,
- and the power: Who was the power?
- Who was the most powerful between
- the Soviet Union and the United States?
- Now, with the fall of the Soviet Union,
- after 1991, we had the same situation,
- this time over the former
- Soviet Union states:
- Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan,
- and also the entire region,
- including Georgia.
- Who was going to control this?
- Well, we had the Chinese, you know,
- with their billions of people
- and their dependence on energy;
- we had the semi-weakened Russians;
- and we had us.
- So between these three actors
- in the global chess game,
- each one had to do his or her own,
- its own best,
- to take over and have the dominance
- of this region.
- With China, its modus operandi
- and business style,
- what they usually do is,
- they do it via money.
- They go and they cut a deal
- with a country.
- They do it, currently, in Africa,
- as we know.
- They do it in Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.
- They say, "OK, we put the railroad
- or the pipeline here,
- and we want the exclusive right
- to this particular gas or oil development.
- And here we're gonna give you $50 billion,
- et cetera, for the next five years."
- But as we know, China doesn't go
- and install military bases for this.
- How many military bases do you know
- that China has installed
- in Middle East, or Africa, or Central Asia, or Caucasus, Lew? None!
- (Lew) Yeah, of course now.
- (Sibel) That's not their method, OK?
- They just do straight business.
- Now, it may be shrewd business,
- but it's still business.
- That, to me, is pretty kosher.
- Then we had the Soviet Union.
- Soviet Union said,
- "Well, our comparative,
- relative advantage is,
- for the last 50 years, we had these states' leaders,
- because they were all part of the Communist Party,
- and they were all elected or selected
- by the Soviet Union,
- before the Cold War ended,
- and they were put in power.
- Plus, Russia had converted their language,
- because the official language
- in those nations
- for the last more-than-half a century
- was Russian:
- their official government
- and school languages.
- So, Russia relied on that, saying,
- "We have cultivated this power -- political power -- there.
- Therefore, we want to keep that."
- Well, for the United States, as we know,
- we like to do military base installments,
- and we like to do more cowboy-style.
- It was...
- there are a few comparative advantages
- that we can use
- as our advantage for this region...
- -- this is, again, Central Asia --
- ...and that is: even though Russia
- turned their language
- from the Turkic languages
- that they spoke previously to Russian,
- a lot of this population in the area,
- they still consider themselves
- as Turkic heritage, OK?
- That's the same heritage
- as people in Turkey.
- And even though religion was forbidden,
- internally, they had kept
- some of that loyalty to Islam,
- because the religion of the region...
- -- most of the region, not all of it --
- ...is Islam. United States
- was in this position with NATO saying,
- "How can we utilize the language
- that is on our side...
- -- the Turkic language and
- the Turkic heritage, and Islam --
- to sway them and get them
- further from Russia and on our side,
- so that we can turn them into NATO
- members, put our military base there,
- and also to dominate their energy:
- the rich energy resources sector.
- Well, the plan that was conceived
- and put in place...
- -- which was a continuation of Operation Gladio; original Operation Gladio --
- ...was that we would use Islam
- and we would use language,
- and we continued the previous
- Operation Gladio tactics
- in order to sway these countries,
- bring them to our side,
- put them in our camp, put our military bases, et cetera: which we started doing.
- Starting in 1996,
- with the help of the United States
- and under United States direction,
- we helped open over 350 mosques
- in Azerbaijan and other countries
- in the region.
- We started putting together
- some of these NGOs
- for the supposed development of education
- or human rights, or feminism:
- whatever you want to call it.
- And we started putting our operatives
- on the ground, in place,
- in those countries.
- And we also, with the help of Turkish paramilitary units under NATO,
- we took over the Chechen factions,
- and said,
- "We are going to supply them with arms
- and direct them and train them,
- and create these terror incidents
- and separation from the Russian side
- using our Chechen paramilitary units.
- Further, we put in place
- some new religious...
- -- you know, like al-Qaeda --
- ...supposed Islam-oriented...
- or, people who utilize, misuse Islam
- for terrorism purposes.
- And if you go alphabetically
- through the list,
- you see a lot of those.
- Well, all of those were, again,
- supplemented,
- directed by the United States,
- NATO operatives,
- and also foreign countries such as Turkey.
- We actually put together some assassination
- attempts in the region.
- Initially, for example,
- in Azerbaijan, Aliyev...
- -- the father Aliyev,
- not the current President --
- was still being pro-Russian.
- And he initially refused to side with
- Turkey, and NATO, and the United States.
- Some of these tactics,
- initially, didn't work.
- What did we do? We took some of
- the mafia units from Turkey
- and hooked Aliyev's son and Aliyev's
- brother in a major gambling scandal,
- where they ended up owing something
- like $10 or $15 million,
- and then we publicized that scandal, OK?
- To weaken Aliyev.
- Not only that: there were two or three assassination attempts
- that were carried out.
- Again: and if you go and Google this,
- you see that the culprits
- were some Turkish paramilitary units.
- So, again: we put all sorts of pressures,
- and finally -- by 1997, 1998 --
- we took over Azerbaijan.
- As you know, Azerbaijan has been a
- candidate for a NATO member for years,
- and they have been spending billions
- of dollars to fulfil the requirements
- to become a full-fledged NATO member.
- And of course, you know,
- we used to have Manas Airbase,
- and also... what we put in place
- in Kyrgyzstan.
- So, these were the operations,
- and a lot of things were involved in this,
- from drug trafficking, money laundering, bribery, assassination attempts,
- coup attempts, synthetic terror events
- in the tregion:
- all of these were being conducted under
- NATO's Operation Gladio, the next phase:
- the "next phase" being post-Cold War,
- post-fall of Soviet Union.
- (Lew) And of course, it involves
- a lot of false flag stuff.
- I mean, the original Gladio, I remember, had something to do
- with some bombings of train stations
- in Italy, for example.
- (Sibel) Absolutely.
- (Lew) For various political reasons.
- Isn't the false-flag terror operation just
- sort of bread-and-butter to these people?
- (Sibel) Absolutely: because we have first-hand experience with this.
- Look what 9/11 allowed [to] happen.
- We had, if you remembe, PNAC:
- The Project for a New American Century,
- in 1999-2000, we had the shadow
- government and the government powers
- get together and say,
- "How do we establish our dominance?"
- And people can go and look up PNAC.
- They put together this paper and said,
- "Look at the fall of the Soviet Union:
- here we have this great opportunity
- to become world power, OK?
- We want to be an empire.
- However, in order to make this happen,
- we need the public's support in these...
- especially in the United States,
- but to a certain degree
- in other European countries.
- Because you see,
- psychologically speaking,
- after the fall of the Soviet Union,
- suddenly you had this missing motivation
- for the government to expend for
- military-industrial complex expenditure,
- buying, investing trillions of dollars
- in weapons.
- Because, for almost half a century,
- those activities, those expenditures,
- those operations were justified
- by the fearmongering
- that "The Communists are out there:
- they are about to take over the world;
- and if we don't do this,
- as the United States,
- they're gonna come and take over!
- We're gonna be invaded by the Russians.
- We're gonna be invaded, even, by Cubans.
- So we have to stockpile all these weapons
- and nuclear weapons."
- And people said, "OK."
- in the United States.
- "They are so scary!
- Do what you must to protect us."
- Well, you remove that threat in 1991:
- you're looking at people,
- the psychology of people, saying:
- "Whoo! That's great. Now that we don't
- have that big, bad, evil Soviet Union,
- and the Cold War,
- and Communists to fight against,
- let's concentrate about
- some of the internal stuff, you know?
- Whether it's some of the things we are doing on education,
- or, you know, all sorts of other things:
- because we don't have that threat.
- Well, what would that mean for, let's say,
- the big corporations,
- military-industrial complex?
- Well, their bread and butter
- was the Cold War and the synthetic wars;
- and now we are in the situation,
- for a brief period,
- where we don't have that excuse
- to go and stockpile all these weapons,
- et cetera.
- Well, that was not acceptable:
- neither to the industry
- -- the military-industrial complex --
- nor for a government that wants
- to be extremely big and powerful
- and be a police state.
- You know, how do you justify
- all this stuff?
- How do you even justify as big of a CIA?
- CIA's existence, creation,
- was justified based on the Cold War.
- Now they have to protect that turf.
- And these guys, when they wrote
- this paper for PNAC,
- that was exactly what they said:
- they said,
- "What we need to do is,
- we need to get the Americans
- and the other countries in Europe to say,
- 'There is a threat, and it is deadly.
- It's so dangerous; it's imminent.' OK?
- And we need to... it doesn't exist!
- We need to create this!
- Short of a catastrophic event
- to show people
- that there is even a bigger monster
- than the Soviet Union,
- even worse than Communists,
- some horrifying event has to take place.
- Lo and behold, a year later,
- we have 9/11 happening here.
- The biggest terrorist event
- on our soil, OK?
- The one before that,
- the only one we had was Pearl Harbor.
- Well, 3,000 people lost their lives,
- and it was all over the media
- for months and months:
- the horror of it
- And it accomplished
- everything PNAC wanted.
- It accomplished a huge government:
- we had set up, creating TSA,
- Department of Homeland Security,
- several other intelligence agencies;
- we suspended our First Amendment rights;
- we've basically suspended
- the entire Constitution;
- we justified... I mean, right how,
- how do you think they are justifying
- NSA's illegal surveillance?
- There are these big, bad terrorists!
- And we made that threat bigger
- than even Communists, see?
- Because with the Communists,
- with the Soviet Union,
- you could at least point to a country
- or countries and say,
- "Here's their power
- in terms of military power;
- here is their number;
- here is where they are;
- and say, "This is the enemy."
- With this, we created
- this invisible enemy,
- that we could say,
- "They are all over the world."
- There may be hundreds of millions
- of them; there may be three of them.
- There is no way in this world
- for us to have an incident
- where we have the enemy eliminated.
- With the Soviet Union, the Cold War ended:
- Boom! It went away.
- And it was a huge panic moment for
- the military-industrial complex
- and the big government.
- "Now, why can't we create an enemy
- that could never, ever be eliminated?"
- Because how could you point out and say,
- "Today, we eliminated the last mmeber
- of al-Qaeda, Lew.
- So the War on Terror officially ends today
- because we have eliminated
- al-Qaeda completely.
- There are no al-Qaeda fetuses
- in anybody's womb, OK?
- We even eliminated those.
- Thus, as of today, everybody celebrate!
- We're gonna eliminate
- Department of Homeland Security,
- we're gonna end the surveillance,
- because we have elliminated
- the terrorism and al-Qaeda."
- That will never happen, right Lew?
- Because we have this perpetual enemy
- and situation that we have created.
- It's invisible. It doesn't have
- a particular location or country.
- They are supposedly all over the world,
- and we don't even have anything to,
- really, measure their strength.
- The government says they can blow us up,
- and we don't know if it's true or not.
- You know, how could you prove something
- that doesn't exist?
- How do you prove that it doesn't exist:
- -- and it doesn't exist! (laughs)
- So this was, again, consistent
- with the Operation Gladio Stage B,
- after the Soviet Union.
- And, as you said, before that,
- a lot of things had to take place
- in the United States,
- and continue to take place here,
- and to a very small degree,
- maybe, in Europe:
- you know, we had some incidents
- in the United Kingdom, too.
- And if you look at these powers,
- the actors involved in Operation Gladio
- post-Soviet Union,
- basically you're just gonna see
- the United States, the United Kingdom...
- --and that is both Pentagon
- and the United Kingdom --
- and you have NATO.
- And they, so far, have been milking
- the threat of an invisible enemy
- that cannot be estimated in terms of
- power, location, or numbers.
- And there were a lot of things:
- every single war we have had since 9/11
- has been justified based on 9/11.
- Everything has to do with
- the Islamic terrorism and al-Qaeda.
- And, again: they are invisible.
- I always ask people, I say...
- if you read in the newspaper, they say:
- "The United States, with a drone,
- killed 20 al-Qaeda members in Yemen."
- Nobody asks, "How was it established
- that they were al-Qaeda members?"
- Because does anyone go, after the fact:
- look at the bodies, turn over the corpses,
- take out their IDs:
- "There it is. There's an ID here.
- It says I'm an al-Qaeda member.
- Here is my photo, and here is
- my al-Qaeda number." (laughs)
- Well, how do you identify someone
- as al-Qaeda member,
- with a drone, to go and kill?
- How do you identify
- that you have killed the right people,
- and report with such confidence?
- And that's our -- of course --
- mainstream media.
- And as you know, in this book,
- there are sections that talk about
- the US mainstream media, especially,
- and how they operate.
- (Lew) Sibel, if people have not
- heard you before
- or have not read you before,
- and are listening today,
- they get just a taste of
- just how much you know,
- how wise you are, how courageous you are.
- And all of us who are concerned about
- our diminishing freedoms,
- concerned about the warfare state,
- and the surveillance state,
- and the police state,
- and all the rest of the horrors
- in Washington, DC:
- we all owe you a debt of gratitude.
- And I want to, of course,
- highly recommend your first book:
- Classified Woman: The Sibel Edmonds Story.
- Tremendous autobiography.
- But especially, everybody: get a copy
- of The Lone Gladio. Read it.
- First of all, it's very, very interesting
- just as a novel,
- but it tells the truth
- about all the horrors
- that are going on under the table
- thanks to the government and its allies
- in the crony-capitalist
- military-industrial complex,
- the Pentagon, the CIA, the NSA: all the
- various so-called intelligence agencies.
- Their object is global domination.
- I mean, they actually intend to run
- every single part of the world,
- and we're just the cash cows for them,
- and we're to be crushed if we say "Boo."
- That's what they'd like.
- So Sibel Edmonds is the kind of person
- who refuses to be crushed,
- won't be intimidated, tells the truth,
- alerts Americans who have the brains
- to listen to her
- about the things that are going on.
- So, get a copy of The Lone Gladio;
- get a copy of Classified Woman.
- Sibel, thanks so much
- for everything you're doing.
- Thanks for coming on the show today,
- and all I can tell you is just keep it up.
- (Sibel) Thank you for having me back;
- and let me congratulate you
- for a great job you've been doing
- at the Lew Rockwell site,
- because I visit it every day,
- and we always include your articles...
- -- and there are so many of them
- that are on the exact same issues
- that we just discussed --
- in our news round-ups,
- which we do several times a week.
- Becuase they all address
- the whole issue of the imperialism,
- and also the issue of the police state,
- the national security state,
- and a big government that is there
- not for the interests of the people.
- So thank you very much for all you do, and
- thank you for having me on again, Lew.
- (Lew) Thank you, Sibel. Bye-bye.
- (Sibel) Have a good day. Bye-bye.
- [MUSIC]
- (Lew) Well, thanks so much for listening to The Lew Rockwell Show today.
- Take a look at all the podcasts:
- there've been hundreds of them.
- There's a link on the LRC front page.
- Thank you.
- [Subtitled by "Adjuvant"]
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