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- mdawkins_> Cindy do you know what the deal is with the forking of mklivecd to mylivecd?
- <clarjon1> hey mdawkins_
- <mdawkins_> hey clarjon1
- <mdawkins_> how are you?
- <clarjon1> not bad
- <clarjon1> i had a big salad :3
- <mdawkins_> ooh that's sounds good
- <mdawkins_> i'm hungary
- <CSolis> um, Matt?
- <CSolis> you are asking me?
- <CSolis> since Untie stole mklivecd, I guess we can't use it now, eh?
- <clarjon1> it was a greek salad :3
- <mdawkins_> Cindy kinda, Idk what your status is anymore as i haven't spoke to many of you in a long time
- <mdawkins_> Cindy that's not true
- <CSolis> my status?
- <CSolis> seems like the Unity guys thought mklivecd belonged to them
- <CSolis> so now we don't use it
- <mdawkins_> there's a call to collaborate on the tool and even move it to a public site
- <mdawkins_> that's not true again
- <CSolis> well, if that's true, then please email Tex, don't ask me
- <CSolis> since you already know what's going on, why ask me?
- <mdawkins_> is there anyway you can get him to get in touch with us?
- <CSolis> email texstar at gmail dot com
- <CSolis> I doubt it seriously
- <mdawkins_> why?
- <CSolis> tell ya what I'll do
- <CSolis> I'll email him this conversation
- <CSolis> stick your email addy in here
- <CSolis> and he can do what he wants with it
- <mdawkins_> please b/c this is not to be in competition nor we do this inspite of pclos etc
- <mdawkins_> many of us would like to see the two sides work together not apart
- <mdawkins_> b/c we know you guys are reusing our work, why not push back or contribute
- <CSolis> I doubt that will happen
- <CSolis> you guys STOLE MKLIVECD and called yours
- <Sproggy> http://unity-linux.org/livecd-now-developed-by-team-unity-linux/
- <CSolis> it belonged to PCLOS long before you guys came around
- <Sproggy> ^^^^ read that
- <mdawkins_> you can't still GPL'd work
- <mdawkins_> and it wasn't pclos' to start with
- <mdawkins_> name the last maintainers of it
- <CSolis> it was developed by pclos developers before you even knew what linux was, Matt
- * DutchWolfie (~DutchWolf@82-169-50-236.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #pclinuxos-naughty
- <mdawkins_> i think it PH
- <CSolis> go read PCLINUXOS history
- <mdawkins_> he came with us
- <CSolis> PH?
- <CSolis> PH?
- <CSolis> don't think so
- <mdawkins_> Cindy it's GPL'd
- <CSolis> it was some guy from South Africa iirc
- <mdawkins_> how do you still it? we even public offer it up on the svn
- <mdawkins_> i said the last maintainer
- <CSolis> PCLOS has purged itself of ALL UNITY RPMS
- <CSolis> lol
- <mdawkins_> or i should say maintainers, b/c when we started modifying Tex and ETJR hadn't done anything to it in over a year
- <CSolis> excuse me, Matt
- <CSolis> but to leave a distro in the shape you did was equivalent to MURDER
- <CSolis> then say that the tool chain was so old it was criminal was excessive since you guys had nearly a year to FIX IT ALL
- <CSolis> but since you didn't, THE COMMUNITY you treated like shit, DID IT
- <mdawkins_> huh?
- <Sproggy> lol
- <mdawkins_> i wasn't part of the dev team if you remember right
- <CSolis> huh?
- <mdawkins_> i was a contributor
- <CSolis> why do you continue to hang around here?
- <mdawkins_> and i had prepared things serveral times to be implemented here
- <CSolis> think we should hang around Unity channels?
- <mdawkins_> sure
- <CSolis> see what ya'll are doing?
- <mdawkins_> why not
- <CSolis> maybe this is why I stopped using IRC
- <mdawkins_> it might be productive to reuse what's being used
- <mdawkins_> idk know why we are at fault when someone else locked the doors
- <Sproggy> doors??
- <clarjon1> lol
- <mdawkins_> Sproggy: who has/had control of the distro?
- <Sproggy> oh .... you mean where you was not allowed to add anymore packages that broke the core of PCLOS
- <Sproggy> Matt Tex holds those keys firmly in his grasp
- <mdawkins_> exactly
- <Sproggy> why are you here
- <mdawkins_> why do we go thru this everytime
- <Sproggy> because .... you dont stay away?
- <mdawkins_> i'd still like to see collaboration, i think it's a waste to see cherry picking and not giving back or parallel work being done
- <Sproggy> Matt ... Unity is it's own entity ....
- <mdawkins_> Sproggy: is it right to only take and not give back with the FOSS philosophy?
- <Sproggy> as your team state you dont want any part of PCLOS
- <mdawkins_> Sproggy: where did you pull that from?
- <clarjon1> Attitudes speak volumes, mdawkins_
- <mdawkins_> we've been the only to clear try to invite the other side
- <clarjon1> ...
- <clarjon1> hang on
- <clarjon1> you started with pclos
- <clarjon1> went your own way
- <clarjon1> and are inviting pclos
- <clarjon1> the root you came from
- <Sproggy> lol
- <clarjon1> to do what you want to do
- <mdawkins_> who left the project in shambles and took off?
- <Sproggy> you are trying to poach developers/packagers/testers from PCLOS because your Unity is not great
- <clarjon1> Am I reading this right?
- <mdawkins_> put the blame squarely where it needs to be
- <mdawkins_> poach what from pclos
- <CSolis> I really think what Paul wrote the other day on the Untie Dev ML is hilarious
- <Sproggy> oh thats right
- <CSolis> he's had the Untie svn server running on PCLOS since the git go, why? Because it 'just works'
- <mdawkins_> i see our work being used by pclos, especially a project we tried to invite ppl to participate in b/c we not pclos uses it and pclos poached it
- <Sproggy> Opportunity for Unity Linux to take PCLOS Users
- <CSolis> where as when the 'boys' left pclos to do Untie, it was a mess
- <CSolis> now Tex and the new devs have got it running tip top again
- <CSolis> way to go Tex and new guys
- <mdawkins_> good for Tex
- <Sproggy> Tex rocks
- <CSolis> Tex is the RPM King
- <mdawkins_> ok
- <CSolis> and he knows how to do a DISTRO
- <CSolis> and he knows how to work with others
- <CSolis> he knows what it takes
- <clarjon1> he sure does
- <clarjon1> not much can keep him from this
- <CSolis> oh, I'm an op
- <mdawkins_> here we go
- <CSolis> wonder if I can ban still?
- <Sproggy> Matt you and the others left PCLOS in a broken state ... hoping to kill it and take it's user base .... what you didnt expect was for Tex to re-appear ... and for the User base to hear his call .... and thanks to Cindy ... taking control of everything else .... that broken PCLOS licked it's wounds and has now healed .... and going forwards it's 1000 times stranger
- <CSolis> now Untie is looking to steal more users when we release the next ISO
- <CSolis> first reinstall in over 3 years will not kill our users
- <CSolis> better than that 'BIG UPDATE' that killed a lot of them last year
- <CSolis> you guys did everything you could to kill PCLinuxOS, but it didn't work
- <Sproggy> lol the 2009.1 bug update
- <Sproggy> sorry i meant BIG
- <Sproggy> lol
- <clarjon1> hehehe
- <clarjon1> i remember that
- <clarjon1> xD
- <clarjon1> oddly enough
- <clarjon1> it didn't effect me
- <clarjon1> >.>
- <clarjon1> oh right, i was playing with 64bit linuxes then, sorry
- <clarjon1> :P
- <Sproggy> i actually removed 2009.1 went back to 2007
- <clarjon1> nvm me rfor now
- <clarjon1> xD
- <Sproggy> learnt to do some stuff myself and was happy in starting to contribute after the unity guys finally left
- <mdawkins_> Sproggy that is a great thing
- <mdawkins_> i think some of you are miss informed
- <CSolis> yes, a lot of potential contributors were being snuffed out by the 'gang'
- <CSolis> and a lot of others treated like crap
- <mdawkins_> Cindy you can't blame me for that?
- <CSolis> oh, and let's not forget the forum PM trick trying to steal more people
- <mdawkins_> and there are two sides to the story
- <CSolis> how very underhanded can you get?
- <mdawkins_> steal ppl?
- <CSolis> we never came over to unity and did that
- <CSolis> our philosophy was 'Good Bye, So Long, Good Riddance'
- <Sproggy> once 2010 is here .... i will ensure as quick as humanly possible to have both an XFCE and E17 version available ....
- <CSolis> yet you continue to stick around here?
- <clarjon1> shouldn't take long
- <Sproggy> nope lol
- * Weric (~Eric@adsl-072-148-097-123.sip.cae.bellsouth.net) has joined #pclinuxos-naughty
- <CSolis> you must have another IRC nick, since you are not showing as being in a Untie channel
- <mdawkins_> is pclos anti-FOSS?
- <clarjon1> ...
- <clarjon1> sheesh
- <mdawkins_> huh
- <CSolis> what's your point Matt?
- <clarjon1> we do not like the people who hurt us
- <Sproggy> and Unity are yet to have even one working desktop environment
- <mdawkins_> why the self made contention
- <clarjon1> and we get accused of being anti-open source?
- <Sproggy> oh thats right
- <Sproggy> it's just a core
- <CSolis> how about doing your own development instead of riding off the backs of ours?
- <Sproggy> i keep forgetting
- <mdawkins_> you blame me for things that you were just as guilty as causing Cindy
- <mdawkins_> Cindy we don't use pclos for developing
- <Sproggy> lol
- <Sproggy> wanna bet?
- <CSolis> yes, it's a core.. what about all those distros that were 'following' ya'll to glory?
- <mdawkins_> just pauls old box
- <mdawkins_> it's coming
- <clarjon1> 2012?
- <mdawkins_> or they are coming, i've seen 5 so far
- <CSolis> so is my grandpa
- <clarjon1> won't they need a desktop first?
- <Weric> or as soon as pclos10 arrives?\
- <CSolis> OH, well we have Phoenix, Gnome, Zen, Xfce, E17 already
- <mdawkins_> clarjon1: we aave tons of DEs
- <CSolis> and KDE 4 done right
- <mdawkins_> this is all personal
- <mdawkins_> no logic
- <CSolis> poisonal?
- <CSolis> I think no
- <mdawkins_> i didn't come here to argue your pent up anger
- <CSolis> but it baffles the imagination why the hell you are still hanging around here
- <Sproggy> Here I thought I was maybe the only one still using PCLOS. [?] I am
- <Sproggy> downloading it now ad will test the pieces out of it.
- <Sproggy> Doug
- <CSolis> I took a two month absence from IRC, and within 10 minutes of being back, you ask me.... what's the spinoff of MKLIVECD
- <Sproggy> lol
- <mdawkins_> i barely got on here yesterday
- <Sproggy> go tell Doug to use Unity
- <CSolis> well, here it is. We aint developing what you are gonna use and claim is yours
- <mdawkins_> CSolis: once again we don't use pclos
- <clarjon1> Sproggy: I'm using PCLOS :3
- <CSolis> Oh, can I have one, clarjon1 ??
- <Sproggy> Matt
- <Sproggy> http://groups.google.com/group/ul-developers/browse_thread/thread/6a19b9c49a91723a
- <Sproggy> ^^^ read that
- <clarjon1> hm? lol
- <mdawkins_> that's paul and doug
- <Sproggy> are they not your developers?
- <mdawkins_> Doug i think was the mag guy no?
- <mdawkins_> paul doesn't do much more than admin anymore and run the devel server, which yes we all started back on pclos
- <mdawkins_> it just has never gotten replaced
- <Sproggy> lol
- <mdawkins_> and why should it
- <clarjon1> because it just works!
- <mdawkins_> pclos is linux and works
- <Sproggy> would you not replace it with your own?
- * clarjon1 smirks
- <mdawkins_> Sproggy: the build servers are on UL
- <mdawkins_> and work damn good
- <CSolis> http://groups.google.com/group/ul-developers/browse_thread/thread/6a19b9c49a91723a
- <Sproggy> Matt of course it works .... the Unity guys dont get to touch it anymore
- <clarjon1> mdawkins_: The test of a distro is when it's developed under it's own distro
- <CSolis> that's a nice thought
- <CSolis> Paul's using pclos for his server
- <mdawkins_> clarjon1: it is
- <CSolis> oh, but but but
- <mdawkins_> the build server is all Unity Linux
- <Sproggy> hahahaa
- <mdawkins_> where the rpms get built
- <clarjon1> nonono
- <mdawkins_> the devel server is a mirror sync'ing place
- <clarjon1> did i say built
- <clarjon1> no
- <clarjon1> i said developed
- <mdawkins_> it could be anything
- <Sproggy> <~~~ is laughing so much
- <mdawkins_> no development
- <Sproggy> anyway Matt
- <Sproggy> you failed to answer my question
- <mdawkins_> any Sproggy
- <CSolis> and our up and coming release is a nice 'opportunity' for Unity guys to grab pclos users
- <mdawkins_> what was it?
- <CSolis> WOW!!
- <CSolis> you guys are CLASS!!!
- <mdawkins_> so are you Cindy
- <Sproggy> Whay are you here Matt?
- <CSolis> yes Matt, why are you here?
- <CSolis> easy to answer
- <CSolis> and Theoden in Support?
- <Sproggy> i ask you this everytime
- * clarjon1 wants to know too
- <mdawkins_> b/c i want to know why pclos can take mklivecd and not share back after we have repeatedly called to share collaboration
- <CSolis> another great Unity supporter
- <clarjon1> mdawkins_: that's the beauty of FOSS
- <clarjon1> mdawkins_: we don't HAVE to
- <CSolis> because we ain't collaborating with Unity GUys
- <CSolis> easy enough??
- * AndrzejL (~AndrzejL@unaffiliated/andrzejl) has joined #pclinuxos-naughty
- <Sproggy> ^^^ i go with Cindy
- <CSolis> go get Fedora, or Mandriva to collaborate with you
- <mdawkins_> we do CSolis
- <clarjon1> or 'buntu
- <clarjon1> xD
- <mdawkins_> we contribute back upstream with the projects we use
- <clarjon1> mdawkins_: Lemme put it to you this way.
- <Sproggy> Fedora will tell you to go put ya heads back up ya butts and Mandriva will not touch any of you with a barge pole
- <CSolis> welll, then stick with them, and get outta here
- <clarjon1> mdawkins_: If someone gave you coffee filled with laxative, multiple times, would you be willing to drink that guy's coffee again
- <CSolis> y'ain't welcome round here, Matt
- <mdawkins_> Sproggy: huh?
- * CSolis gives channel operator status to Weric
- <Sproggy> Matt do you not think other communities watched what you guys tried to do to PCLOS
- <mdawkins_> well i hope someday it is like this
- * CSolis gives channel operator status to Sproggy
- <mdawkins_> Sproggy: clarify please
- <Sproggy> and the lies and crap you tried to spread across the net
- <CSolis> oh, and then use me as a scapegoat all over the linux internet
- * Weric removes voice from mdawkins_
- <CSolis> that's was a CLASS ACT TOO
- <Weric> oops
- <Sproggy> lol
- <mdawkins_> thanks
- <CSolis> danged Weric !!
- <CSolis> all that noise
- <mdawkins_> that is complete class act
- <CSolis> yes, well this is our home, not yours
- <CSolis> and we've repeated asked you why you are here
- <CSolis> ya don't wanna answer
- <mdawkins_> b/c i want to know why pclos can take mklivecd and not share back after we have repeatedly called to share collaboration
- <Weric> we dont hang in your IRC and badger folks
- <CSolis> you just keep insisting
- <mdawkins_> who got started the attack?
- <mdawkins_> not me
- <clarjon1> you did
- <CSolis> um, we didn't take Mklivecd and do anything with it
- <mdawkins_> i have no problems with pclos or any of you
- <CSolis> you don't think we have people who can write scripts here?
- <clarjon1> <mdawkins_> Cindy do you know what the deal is with the forking of mklivecd to mylivecd?
- <clarjon1> and that's when the fight started
- <mdawkins_> clarjon1: that's a legit question
- <Sproggy> there was no fight
- <CSolis> fight? Was no fight? I just don't want to see their faces in here
- <CSolis> this is OUR CHANNEL
- * CSolis sets ban on *!*mdawkins@63.224.85.*
- <CSolis> oops
- <Sproggy> but why do you specifically target Cindy when she is online?
- <mdawkins_> CSolis: what is your problem?
- * #pclinuxos-naughty :Cannot send to channel
- <DutchWolfie> Xcuse me, what is Unity :)
- <CSolis> I just came back on line after two months of not being here
- <Sproggy> why not ask someone else?
- <Weric> Uniwhat?
- <clarjon1> funny how they call it "unity"
- <CSolis> Unity is the distro the 'ripper gang' developed after borking pclos and leaving
- <clarjon1> when they seperated from us
- <CSolis> unimybutt
- <clarjon1> heheh
- <CSolis> now he's after me in the PCLinuxOS channel
- <CSolis> next will be support
- <mdawkins_> oh god
- * #pclinuxos-naughty :Cannot send to channel
- <Weric> ripper gang still seems appropriate.
- <Sproggy> lol
- <CSolis> so I've left those two channels
- <Weric> ripperoffer
- <CSolis> yeah, more like ripoff gang
- <CSolis> or jackoff seems appropriate
- <Sproggy> Weric yeah coz they still ripping all the ideas that made PCLOS great
- <CSolis> xcuse my french
- <Sproggy> Cindy thats polite in my eyes
- <CSolis> mklivecd has always been a part of pclos
- <Sproggy> i have much more colourful language to use if you'd like
- <CSolis> then they claimed ownership so we changed to something else
- <Sproggy> it's now called mylivecd
- <CSolis> cause tex didn't want to use anything that appeared to be a part of unity
- <CSolis> exactly, and who has developed the code for that?
- <Sproggy> and that sounds so much better
- <CSolis> oh, script, pardon me
- <Sproggy> isnt script code anyway?
- <CSolis> was it not the same etjr they rejected long ago?
- <CSolis> oh, goody for us
- <CSolis> yes, scripting is coding in bash or whatever language
- <CSolis> I"m learning some SL scripting
- <Sproggy> ooooooooooooooo
- <Sproggy> well i dont know what types od scripting/coding i have been learning .... i justhack the fuck outta it until it does what i want it too lol
- <CSolis> one potato, two potatoes, three potatoes, open de door
- <CSolis> that's the way to do it
- <CSolis> the guys at SL took C++ and created their own 'language'
- <CSolis> not like they could fix errors in it
- <CSolis> but it is what it is
- <Sproggy> kool
- <CSolis> instead of open door 90 degrees you have open door, bla bla bla bla bla radians,x,y,z, bla bla bl
- <CSolis> not cool at all
- <CSolis> but it works, most times
- <CSolis> then once you have door scripted you have to cut it in half so it can rotate on edge instead of in center axis
- <Sproggy> Matt must be havin lunch or summin
- <CSolis> tell me how dumb that is
- <clarjon1> he's been muted lol
- <CSolis> no, I banned him
- <Sproggy> lol
- <CSolis> Eric took his voice, then I banned him
- <clarjon1> lol
- <clarjon1> but till he's boted
- <clarjon1> *booted
- <clarjon1> it's essentially a mute
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