[10:49]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hello Neb
[10:49]  Nebadon Izumi: hello
[10:50]  Nebadon Izumi: seems like things are holding up with the new asset server
[10:50]  Adelle Fitzgerald: yeah
[10:50]  Adelle Fitzgerald: ive been running it since lunch today
[10:50]  Nebadon Izumi: major improvement there
[10:50]  Nebadon Izumi: ya i switch most of the plazas over last night
[10:50]  Nebadon Izumi: dave did Lbsa
[10:50]  Adelle Fitzgerald: my lunch time that is so about 7 hours
[10:51]  Adelle Fitzgerald: i also cleared all my fcache and loaded it all again
[10:51]  Adelle Fitzgerald: and it seems sweet
[10:51]  Adelle Fitzgerald: it would be nice to really give it some work maybe later when the grid is busy
[10:51]  Adelle Fitzgerald: say run a couple of iar's, and oars
[10:51]  Nebadon Izumi: ya, my IAR restore totally worked too
[10:51]  Adelle Fitzgerald: and see if anyone notices
[10:51]  Up Grayeddd is Online
[10:52]  Adelle Fitzgerald: nice
[10:52]  Adelle Fitzgerald: crash?
[10:52]  Adelle Fitzgerald: wow
[10:52]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe
[10:52]  House-Mounted Mailbox: You have 1 messages in your mailbox.
[10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: heh
[10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: you lag?
[10:53]  Adelle Fitzgerald: big lag spike
[10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm didnt notice it, but probably someone logging in or something
[10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: multiple people maybe
[10:53]  Adelle Fitzgerald: i noticed ont he console, incomming packets thread died, then restarted
[10:54]  Adelle Fitzgerald: that happens on my regions when i clear viewer cache
[10:54]  Adelle Fitzgerald: on 1st login
[10:54]  Richardus Raymaker: hi adella
[10:54]  Nebadon Izumi: hadnt noticed i will have to watch for that
[10:54]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hi RiRa
[10:54]  Snoopy Pfeffer is Online
[10:55]  Richardus Raymaker: hi nebadon
[10:56]  Nebadon Izumi: hello
[10:57]  Up Grayeddd is Offline
[10:59]  Nebadon Izumi: heh Mojito using Naali?
[11:00]  Mojito Sorbet: yes.  What do I look like?
[11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe face is all crumpled up
[11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: and your stick alien like
[11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: it happened to me too
[11:01]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Dev)        1d4d6c8: 2010-02-09 20:25:24 +0000 (Unix/Mono)
[11:03]  Penny Lane: Hi peoples :-)
[11:03]  Richardus Raymaker: hi penny
[11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm not sure if any o the devs are coming today or not
[11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:03]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hello Penny
[11:03]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hi all :)
[11:03]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Snoopy
[11:03]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hi Adelle
[11:04]  Snoopy Pfeffer: rezzing is slow today
[11:04]  sim core: Hi, snoopy and al :-)
[11:04]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hi sim
[11:04]  Justin Clark-Casey is Online
[11:05]  Adelle Fitzgerald: it was pretty fast for me, Snoopy, but the sim was pretty empty when i got here
[11:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer: great news that the refactoring is finished
[11:05]  Richardus Raymaker: hi sim
[11:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer: ah ok
[11:05]  Richardus Raymaker: hi snoopy
[11:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer: maybe too many came at the same time
[11:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hi Rich
[11:05]  Adelle Fitzgerald: yeah
[11:05]  Richardus Raymaker: ? we need hardheads now for the bump soon ?
[11:05]  Ruben Haan: hi
[11:05]  Richardus Raymaker: hi ruben
[11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Ruben
[11:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lol yes
[11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Justin
[11:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hi Ruben
[11:05]  rudy2zday eliot: dkgray
[11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: hello nebadon, hi folks
[11:05]  Richardus Raymaker: can you rebake sim
[11:05]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Justin
[11:05]  Richardus Raymaker: hi JCC
[11:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hello Justin
[11:06]  Ruben Haan: scarry Nebadon
[11:06]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lol
[11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:06]  sim core: Sure can, rr!
[11:06]  Snoopy Pfeffer: when Neb was small he did jump out of a belly and did surpise some spaceship crew ;)
[11:07]  Richardus Raymaker: need to ask revolution for a flame trhower
[11:07]  sim core: Hi, justin and did that help rr?
[11:07]  Richardus Raymaker: your still colored here sim
[11:08]  Akira Sonoda is Offline
[11:08]  Richardus Raymaker: so... there's new info about the bump soon ?
[11:08]  Akira Sonoda is Online
[11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: well, were doing some testing
[11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: were setting up a small test grid so we can study the differnces
[11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: mostly so we can get the website right
[11:09]  Justin Clark-Casey: you're talking about master now that presence-refactor is in?
[11:09]  sim core: Sure am interested in seeing wat the mplicaions are :-)
[11:09]  Justin Clark-Casey: is anybody else missing e-mails from the mailing lists?
[11:09]  sim core: *What
[11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: not sure Justin, but in the past i have missed some myself
[11:10]  Snoopy Pfeffer: which list'
[11:10]  Snoopy Pfeffer: ?
[11:10]  Justin Clark-Casey: opensim-dev certainly
[11:10]  Snoopy Pfeffer: devs or users?
[11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: always best to check the archivces
[11:10]  Snoopy Pfeffer: not me
[11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: archives*
[11:10]  Richardus Raymaker: i think the list dropped my in the past. have seen for 1 year nothing anymore
[11:10]  Snoopy Pfeffer: resubscribe Rich
[11:11]  Richardus Raymaker: wich one is the best then ?
[11:11]  Snoopy Pfeffer: what about the additional features like groups, offline messages, etc.?
[11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/opensim-dev/
[11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: the email list archive is here
[11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: for all to read
[11:11]  Snoopy Pfeffer: will that be tested before we upgrade?
[11:11]  Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, I certianly hav ea few missing
[11:11]  Justin Clark-Casey: commit messages too
[11:12]  House-Mounted Mailbox: You have 1 messages in your mailbox.
[11:14]  Justin Clark-Casey: users too by the looks of things
[11:14]  Justin Clark-Casey: ping
[11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: the biggest changes will probably be to the website
[11:14]  Futanari Kitten: sim crash?
[11:14]  Richardus Raymaker: there's now some dtae in view we can expect the upgrade
[11:14]  Justin Clark-Casey is Offline
[11:14]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe
[11:14]  Snoopy Pfeffer is Online
[11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: heh wow that was lagtastic
[11:14]  Richardus Raymaker: aha, its alive again
[11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[11:14]  Adelle Fitzgerald: was this region restarted prior to the meeting?
[11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: yes
[11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: 1 hour prior
[11:14]  Adelle Fitzgerald: gotcha
[11:15]  Richardus Raymaker: fps to normal to.
[11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: ya
[11:15]  Snoopy Pfeffer: wb
[11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: those spikes seem to be pretty common in a crowd
[11:15]  Adelle Fitzgerald: yeah
[11:15]  Richardus Raymaker: hope it fades in new version
[11:16]  Snoopy Pfeffer: I wanted to ask about testing before the big upgrade
[11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: so as i was saying before the lag, the biggest cahnges will likely be to the website at this point
[11:16]  Richardus Raymaker: good. again. some possible date for the upgrade ? a few weeks now ?
[11:16]  Snoopy Pfeffer: will groups, offline messages, search etc. be tested before?
[11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: but unfortuantly until the website is ready, we cant move forward
[11:16]  Snoopy Pfeffer: groups are also key
[11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: so were trying to decide what to do with the website now
[11:16]  Snoopy Pfeffer: many use it for permissions
[11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: groups probably wont change much
[11:16]  Richardus Raymaker: whats wrong with it compared to new version ?
[11:16]  Snoopy Pfeffer: without groups many cannot enter land
[11:16]  Hiro Protagonist is Offline
[11:17]  Adelle Fitzgerald: groups will likely not work right away though without some work done to it
[11:17]  Snoopy Pfeffer: please also have a quick look at groups and offline messages
[11:17]  Richardus Raymaker: and whats wrong with website ?
[11:17]  Snoopy Pfeffer: ah ok Adelle
[11:17]  Snoopy Pfeffer: we need to test it
[11:17]  Nebadon Izumi: the database is going to change significantly
[11:17]  Adelle Fitzgerald: im not sure about offline messages, that may be a part of the new refactor
[11:17]  Nebadon Izumi: it will effect the website
[11:17]  Justin Clark-Casey is Online
[11:18]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes true probably, Adelle
[11:18]  Richardus Raymaker: good to have a list people can look at after the bump with possible problems ?
[11:18]  Adelle Fitzgerald: practically everything to do with the website too
[11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: wb Justin
[11:18]  Justin Clark-Casey: did this place actually crash or was it just me?
[11:18]  Snoopy Pfeffer: wb Justin
[11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: it lagged
[11:18]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes
[11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: it didnt crash though
[11:18]  Snoopy Pfeffer: it did
[11:18]  Snoopy Pfeffer: really?
[11:18]  Snoopy Pfeffer: wow
[11:18]  Justin Clark-Casey: ah, I was just impatient then :)
[11:18]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lol
[11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: ya i have not moved
[11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:18]  Justin Clark-Casey: nice egg, Nebadon
[11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: :)
[11:19]  Richardus Raymaker: snoopy shooted from the chair.
[11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: brought the kids today
[11:19]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe
[11:19]  Snoopy Pfeffer: did I?
[11:19]  Penny Lane: Why is a website impacting on world use?
[11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[11:19]  Adelle Fitzgerald: it is required for signups, Penny
[11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: because it effects accont creation
[11:19]  Richardus Raymaker: "new" signups ?
[11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: if you cant make accoutns
[11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: what good is the grid
[11:19]  Penny Lane: OpenID
[11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: the website basiclly needs a complete refeactor
[11:19]  Adelle Fitzgerald: also changing passwords, requesting forgotten passwords
[11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: we dont support OpenID
[11:20]  Snoopy Pfeffer: will the RemoteAdmin interface be tested before?
[11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: to complicated right now
[11:20]  Adelle Fitzgerald: basically anything that is tied to the user account will likely not work
[11:20]  Snoopy Pfeffer: do you also use it?
[11:20]  Richardus Raymaker: RemoteAdmin interface is very important
[11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: i have no idea about RemoteAdmin
[11:20]  Snoopy Pfeffer: especially create_new_user and update_new_user
[11:20]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes it is Rich
[11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: not something we use, not even sure how to test it
[11:20]  Snoopy Pfeffer: many use it
[11:20]  Snoopy Pfeffer: oh ok
[11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: well those who use it will have to work with the devs i guess
[11:21]  Richardus Raymaker: i use remote. but not to make users
[11:21]  Justin Clark-Casey: I do suggest anybody who uses it be sure to test it
[11:21]  Justin Clark-Casey nods
[11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: but no doubt some stuff will break
[11:21]  Snoopy Pfeffer: update_user has some bug in the current versions
[11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: just gotta file some mantis
[11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: make sure the devs know
[11:21]  Snoopy Pfeffer: k
[11:21]  Richardus Raymaker: as long shutdown and messgae works im happy
[11:21]  Snoopy Pfeffer: I did file that bug already
[11:21]  Justin Clark-Casey: since sean left I think our admin systems are slowly degrading
[11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: we'll try to get everything fixed as quick as possible
[11:21]  Snoopy Pfeffer: so it would be luck if it works suddenly ;)
[11:21]  Justin Clark-Casey: still haven't had time to get mantis working properly again
[11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: what is wrong with mantis?
[11:22]  Snoopy Pfeffer: oh??
[11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: i was not aware it was broken
[11:22]  Penny Lane: Well you seriously need to decouple the registration process from anything fancy on websites. Websites change every 10 minutes, owing to new, content info, and such. You can't afford registration etc to break just because a CMS editor breaks something.
[11:22]  Justin Clark-Casey: it doesn't send out e-amils any more, at least not to me. So I never know about new bugs unless I happen to see them via some other means
[11:22]  Snoopy Pfeffer: mantis needs to work!!
[11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: oh
[11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: ok i'll talk to Adam and Dave
[11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe we can fix that up
[11:22]  Justin Clark-Casey: other devs might still be getting them
[11:22]  UUID Speaker: WhiteStar Magic: b7f67c5c-12d7-48da-8723-4d9c8fcd22cc
[11:22]  Snoopy Pfeffer: mantis is very important the next weeks
[11:22]  Justin Clark-Casey: would be cool - not sure how widespread the issue is though
[11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: ya
[11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: ok i'll see what i can do
[11:23]  Justin Clark-Casey: and this not getting mailing list posts is damn annoying but not much you can do about that :)
[11:23]  Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: thanks
[11:23]  Richardus Raymaker: when its needed to install a new opensim ? or usefull ?
[11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: not sure yet
[11:23]  Snoopy Pfeffer: the new version should be announced at least 2 days before the switch over
[11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: we are setting up a small test grid
[11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: so we can study the major differences
[11:23]  Richardus Raymaker: but then some instruction need to be ready to.
[11:23]  Snoopy Pfeffer: ppl should have two days to prepare their regiosn
[11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: Dave Coyle was gettng the VPS going last we spoke
[11:24]  Richardus Raymaker: i think 2 days is short. crosisnbg fingers
[11:24]  Arielle Popstar: 2 days only?
[11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: its gonna be weeks
[11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: at this point
[11:24]  Snoopy Pfeffer: at least
[11:24]  Penny Lane: Make a registration website totaly clear of any eye candy, no CMS, not even any Javascript Think early google. Otherwise it'll spend have its time down.
[11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: so no one has to worry it will sneak up on them
[11:24]  Nebadon Izumi: the website refactor is going to take time
[11:25]  Adelle Fitzgerald: it also looks like, unlike previous bumps, regions will have to be updated right away to function
[11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: our current consensus is Elgg is not sufficient
[11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: and not worth our time to fix
[11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: but thats not set in stone just yet
[11:25]  Adelle Fitzgerald: so once the grid is bumped, any existing regions will cease to function
[11:25]  Vincent Sylvester is Online
[11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: but ya there will be ample notice
[11:25]  Fly Man is Online
[11:25]  Penny Lane: Webbies always ruin everything. Flashy websites are not needed for registration, and they're a liability.
[11:25]  Snoopy Pfeffer: if you give me info how to connect one of my regions to the little testing grid, I would also like to make some tests with that brand new version
[11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: we'll make sure everyone has plenty of time
[11:25]  Richardus Raymaker: and then the trouble start, because some migration is needed. ?!
[11:26]  Snoopy Pfeffer: before we do the switch over
[11:26]  Fly Man: Ahh, good
[11:26]  Fly Man: there's a meeting
[11:26]  Richardus Raymaker: snoopy. test the remote admin stuff to then
[11:26]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hi Fly :)
[11:26]  Fly Man: So, where's the button for detontation ?
[11:26]  Richardus Raymaker: hi fly
[11:26]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes this and other things Rich
[11:26]  Fly Man: or better sad, where's the HOLD IT button ?
[11:26]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lol
[11:26]  Adelle Fitzgerald: from what i ahve briefly looked at, the simulator side of the bump seems very easy, and just a fresh build, with some slight configuration changes
[11:26]  sim core: :-J
[11:26]  Snoopy Pfeffer: Fly, the button with the label "upgrade?"
[11:27]  Fly Man: Nope, that button doesn't work
[11:27]  Adelle Fitzgerald: so for the region ops, not much more than any previous bump
[11:27]  Richardus Raymaker: good adella :)
[11:27]  Fly Man: seems that someone broke the whole system
[11:27]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lol
[11:27]  Fly Man: and downgrade doesn't work either
[11:27]  Dahlia Trimble is Online
[11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: heh i dont think downgrading has ever gone real smooth with OpenSIm
[11:27]  Snoopy Pfeffer: Neb does the osgrid web site directly change the database?
[11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: your backups should be sufficent before upgrading
[11:28]  Arielle Popstar: so whats an eta on the actual transition?
[11:28]  Snoopy Pfeffer: like if users are created
[11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: there is no ETA right now
[11:28]  Richardus Raymaker: maby good like someone sayed to make for the time a seperate login / registration page.
[11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: could be 2 weeks
[11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: could be a month
[11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: i really dont know
[11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: its not tested enough yet to make any claims
[11:28]  Dahlia Trimble: hi :)
[11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: hey Dahlia
[11:29]  Arielle Popstar: no more then a month?
[11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Dahlia
[11:29]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Dahlia
[11:29]  Richardus Raymaker: hi dahlia
[11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont know Arielle
[11:29]  Adelle Fitzgerald: it could be 2 months, Arielle
[11:29]  Arielle Popstar: nod
[11:29]  Snoopy Pfeffer: do we have the 2nd backup servers mentioned on the donation page?
[11:29]  Adelle Fitzgerald: or more
[11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: it will take as long as it takes
[11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:29]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hi dahlia
[11:29]  Adelle Fitzgerald: its really an unknown quantity atm
[11:29]  Penny Lane: If a registration site is so complex that it takes more than 10 minutes to test corner cases, you're doing it wrong.
[11:29]  Akira Sonoda is Online
[11:29]  Snoopy Pfeffer: with that a smooth swicth over could be performed
[11:29]  Adelle Fitzgerald: and so far there is about 20 lines of documentation written
[11:29]  Adelle Fitzgerald: for the upgrade
[11:29]  Snoopy Pfeffer: by moving regions from the old to the new grid
[11:30]  Justin Clark-Casey: 20 lines is more than we usually get.....
[11:30]  Adelle Fitzgerald: i'm hpoing some more will be written soon, not the actual code has been written
[11:30]  Justin Clark-Casey: 20 more, in fact
[11:30]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe
[11:30]  Dave Coyle is Online
[11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: im not saying its going to take a month
[11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: im saying i dont know how long its going to take
[11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: no clue at all
[11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:30]  Richardus Raymaker: i hope OAR is tested very good. because many use that
[11:31]  Justin Clark-Casey: you should be optimisitc, nebadon ;)
[11:31]  Snoopy Pfeffer: what do you think of that scenario of using 2 grids and moving the regions over to the "new" grid?
[11:31]  Nebadon Izumi: well its not as simple as saying it should be easy
[11:31]  Nebadon Izumi: its not that simple
[11:31]  Justin Clark-Casey: it will be tested before 0.7 is tagged. But sometimes in master things will br broken for short periods. It is the developer's workbook after all
[11:31]  UUID Speaker: Pro Peng: 4610059a-3523-ceb6-2f15-97324ca0b1e0
[11:31]  Nebadon Izumi: ya
[11:32]  Dahlia Trimble: I have a quick survey - when you alt-click to pan and zoom, do you prefer to use the mouse or the arrow keys?
[11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: mouse
[11:32]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hm we would need two databases with different structures kept in sync :(
[11:32]  Adelle Fitzgerald: mouse
[11:32]  Snoopy Pfeffer: bad idea
[11:32]  House-Mounted Mailbox: You have 1 messages in your mailbox.
[11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: never use the keys ever
[11:32]  Zardoz Firanelli: Sapce Navigator
[11:32]  Richardus Raymaker: mouse
[11:32]  Justin Clark-Casey: dahlia: mouse
[11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: space navigator is not practical for building
[11:32]  Richardus Raymaker: but i use ctrl+alt+mouse
[11:33]  Dahlia Trimble: ty :)
[11:33]  Penny Lane: Mouse. The granularity on keys is attrocious.
[11:33]  Zardoz Firanelli: I use the mouse to move things around
[11:33]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hi WhiteStar
[11:33]  Richardus Raymaker: mousehweel for zoom.
[11:33]  sim core: I use the mouse-wheel, best thing yet :-)
[11:34]  Dahlia Trimble: I guess I'm used to the keys since I primarily use a laptop
[11:34]  Justin Clark-Casey: huh, I see there.com is closing
[11:34]  Dahlia Trimble: ?
[11:34]  Justin Clark-Casey: http://www.prod.there.com/info/announcement
[11:34]  Adelle Fitzgerald: lol, i didnt even know you could ctrl+alt+arrow keys!
[11:35]  Adelle Fitzgerald: but i dont likey
[11:35]  Penny Lane: Forterra closed down in the last few months, and they owned There, so not surprised
[11:35]  Adelle Fitzgerald: mouse any day :)
[11:35]  Richardus Raymaker: no ctrl-alt-mouse
[11:35]  Justin Clark-Casey: penny: good poitn
[11:35]  Snoopy Pfeffer: I just use ctrl+alt+del seldomly ;)
[11:35]  Dahlia Trimble: lol
[11:35]  Richardus Raymaker: good opensim dont ask for any key
[11:35]  WhiteStar Magic: prefer mouse
[11:36]  Ruben Haan: ctrl alt arrow is move to next workspace in ubuntu
[11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: oh on another note guys
[11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: we are now running a New Asset server
[11:36]  Richardus Raymaker: ctrl+alt+left mouse + move mouse
[11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: it was seemless switchover we did this morning
[11:36]  Dahlia Trimble: a newer one?
[11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: it should be much higher preforming
[11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: yes
[11:36]  Snoopy Pfeffer: cool
[11:36]  Zardoz Firanelli: New hardware or software?
[11:36]  Dahlia Trimble: what is this one?
[11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: Dave Coyle wrote a Ruby one
[11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: just for OSgrid
[11:36]  Richardus Raymaker: wow
[11:37]  Dave Coyle is Online
[11:37]  Dahlia Trimble: is it open source?
[11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: it uses Fragstore
[11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: it will be im sure
[11:37]  Maria Korolov is Online
[11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: its not at this moment though
[11:37]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes please make it open source
[11:37]  Penny Lane: We had a couple of hours of realXtend meeting this morning in SL, and the interest in Naali was huge (51 people). And Naali has MMO-type mouse navigation, very cool.
[11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: ya its just a matter of time
[11:37]  Dave Coyle waves
[11:37]  Dave Coyle: it is
[11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: hey speaking of here is dave
[11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: he can explain better
[11:37]  Dahlia Trimble thinks osgrid should consider a policy of only using open source
[11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: ya we are and do
[11:38]  Penny Lane agrees with Dahlia
[11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: if its not opensource its only because no ones anoyed adam enough
[11:38]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yep Dahlia
[11:38]  Nebadon Izumi blames adam
[11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[11:38]  Snoopy Pfeffer: agree 100%
[11:38]  Adelle Fitzgerald: lol
[11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: always blame the guy who isnt here
[11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[11:38]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lol
[11:38]  Dahlia Trimble: lol
[11:38]  Penny Lane: Haha, poor Adam Need to Fedex him a crate of eer
[11:38]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[11:38]  Penny Lane: beer*
[11:39]  Snoopy Pfeffer: well anyway there is a lack of an up-to-date web interface for opensim grids
[11:39]  Dahlia Trimble: he still in China?
[11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: I think so Dahlia
[11:39]  Snoopy Pfeffer: his irc name had China in it at least :)
[11:39]  Dave Coyle is Offline
[11:40]  Justin Clark-Casey: maybe he got hacked ;)
[11:40]  Maria Korolov is Offline
[11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: ya I have a phone meeting with Adam on Thursday night
[11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: he should be back in action soon i suspect
[11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: another week or so probably
[11:40]  Adelle Fitzgerald: Dave keeps crashing, but he says that his ruby assets is MIT licenced - http://github.com/coyled/sras
[11:40]  Penny Lane: Maybe he didn't make it through the firewall :P
[11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: thanks Adelle
[11:40]  Snoopy Pfeffer: would be good if he is arround during the switch over
[11:40]  Dahlia Trimble: kewl ty Adelle
[11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: i knew it would be i wasnt sure if it was available yet
[11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: didnt want to over promise
[11:41]  Dave Coyle is Online
[11:41]  Snoopy Pfeffer: will Melanie and Diva help osgrid with the migration?
[11:42]  Dahlia Trimble: is the new asset server running on the same box as the last one?
[11:42]  Dave Coyle: yes
[11:43]  Nebadon Izumi is Online
[11:43]  Snoopy Pfeffer: wb Neb
[11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: heh thanks
[11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: viewer poofed
[11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: if someone could send me chat log that would be awesome
[11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: i lost some of it
[11:43]  Dahlia Trimble: is that the v4 alien?
[11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: ya it is :)
[11:44]  Dahlia Trimble: I have it on SL, not here yet
[11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: i'll send you a copy later
[11:44]  Dahlia Trimble: ty :)
[11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: not now to much people here
[11:44]  Ruben Haan: coke suply avatar?
[11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: yep
[11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: she is one of the Oni Kenkon team
[11:45]  Adelle Fitzgerald: i have it all Neb
[11:45]  Adelle Fitzgerald: the chat log that is
[11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: ok cool
[11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: ya i have like 2/3 of it
[11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: i paste it into notepad every few minutes
[11:45]  Adelle Fitzgerald: gotcha
[11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: viewer just poofed though
[11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: wasnt even doing anything
[11:46]  Richardus Raymaker: why not save it to disk automatic ?
[11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: it might be actually
[11:46]  Snoopy Pfeffer: cant we use a bot for recording?
[11:46]  Arielle Popstar: mine did that when i first came here
[11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: dang it was off
[11:46]  Snoopy Pfeffer: maybe one that connects to irc in parallel
[11:46]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe even when saved to disk, it doesnt record it when crashed :P
[11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: i always forget to turn it on
[11:47]  Snoopy Pfeffer: cant we use the irc gateway for that?
[11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: probably but you really need your own IRC server
[11:47]  Snoopy Pfeffer: then ppl that cannot log in can attend on irc
[11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: freenode will ban you the 1st time it goes bonkers
[11:47]  Snoopy Pfeffer: oh really?
[11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: heh ya
[11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: i would not recommend connecting to freenode
[11:47]  Dahlia Trimble: I have a proxy that grabs it, but it mixes it with all my group chat from here and SL
[11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: any kind of spew they take as attack
[11:47]  Snoopy Pfeffer: oh ok
[11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: so its best to just fire up your own ircd services
[11:48]  Dahlia Trimble: could set up a private irc server
[11:48]  Auti Blanco: still need a irc client
[11:48]  Dahlia Trimble: but having irc discourages people from attending
[11:48]  Dahlia Trimble: (in world)
[11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: ya
[11:48]  Snoopy Pfeffer: well sometimes ppl cannot log in but use an irc client
[11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: its good for logging purposes
[11:48]  Snoopy Pfeffer: there is even one for the iphone
[11:48]  Nebadon Izumi: if you just want to keep a chat log
[11:49]  Auti Blanco: cant it build in as admin tool for opensim?
[11:49]  Dahlia Trimble: chat logging?
[11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: probably could be
[11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: logging is intensive though
[11:50]  Auti Blanco: but then it need a viewer update
[11:50]  Snoopy Pfeffer: btw other virtual worlds do extensive logging, including avatar and object positions, velocity as well as text and voice chat
[11:51]  Snoopy Pfeffer: with that they can replay situations
[11:51]  Vincent Sylvester is Offline
[11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: ya im sure thats all possible
[11:51]  Snoopy Pfeffer: for example the military uses such virtual worlds for training
[11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: but its expensive
[11:51]  Dahlia Trimble: I guess if someone really needed that level of logging, a region module could do it for them
[11:51]  Ruben Haan: ppl should say what they keep as log for internet privisy
[11:51]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes
[11:51]  Zardoz Firanelli: Why not just a prim that listens and updates it to the website?
[11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: thats also possibility
[11:52]  Dahlia Trimble: sure, a script could do it also
[11:52]  Auti Blanco: true zardoz was thinking of that too
[11:52]  Dahlia Trimble: even positions
[11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: lots of good ways to do it
[11:52]  Snoopy Pfeffer: but this kind of logging can also be great for machinima and for replying taring sessions
[11:52]  House-Mounted Mailbox: You have 1 messages in your mailbox.
[11:52]  Snoopy Pfeffer: you can change the camera position later during replay
[11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: ya it would be cool to see someone to a timeline editor of sorts
[11:52]  Arielle Popstar: chat log auto posted
[11:52]  Arielle Popstar: good idea
[11:52]  Dahlia Trimble: I think the viewer has a replay capability also
[11:52]  Dahlia Trimble: some viewers do
[11:52]  sim core: Right
[11:53]  Dahlia Trimble: doesnt work all that well
[11:53]  Auti Blanco: in the advanced menu
[11:53]  Snoopy Pfeffer: I think thats just playing recorded video sequences
[11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: diva has been doing some amazing work with server side bots
[11:53]  Dahlia Trimble: havent tried it with opensim
[11:53]  Ruben Haan: i never used that for macj=hinima
[11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: it would be neat if you could record your movements
[11:53]  Ruben Haan: machinima
[11:53]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes
[11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: then have a sever side bot repay them
[11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: she said she might share portions of her code eventually
[11:53]  Zardoz Firanelli: like macros
[11:53]  Dahlia Trimble: Snoopy, the one I meant replays movement
[11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: what i saw that she did though
[11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: is quite amazing
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: she had a whole city scene with traffic
[11:54]  Snoopy Pfeffer: ah ok Dahlia
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: and pedestrians
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: cars would stop if you walk on front of them
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: their was traffic lights
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: it was amazing
[11:54]  Snoopy Pfeffer: cool
[11:54]  Auti Blanco: cool
[11:54]  Chelsea Himmel is Online
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: if you ask her im sure she would take you on the tour
[11:54]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes to replay only some avatars and objects would also be cool
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: its a few HG hops away from here
[11:54]  Auti Blanco: i can use that for OS London :-)
[11:54]  Dahlia Trimble: I think she does that with region modules
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: ya
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: its all server side
[11:54]  Snoopy Pfeffer: than you can create cities like this
[11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: its awesome stuff
[11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: but it would be nice
[11:55]  Snoopy Pfeffer: but then you never know who is a bot and who is real hehe
[11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: if a viewer coudl make nice xml packets
[11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: you could feed to server bots
[11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: of your actions
[11:55]  Dahlia Trimble: ewwwww xml
[11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: then have the bots just replay or be able to be scripted to load animation sequence
[11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: well
[11:55]  Adelle Fitzgerald: re chat logger, im sure i could script something to write to a notecard, in-world
[11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: you know any packet format
[11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: doesnt have to be xml
[11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: just some way to pass the seequnce from the viewer to a server side bot
[11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: then you could say have contact pads around
[11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: then when an avatar touchs it
[11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: this bot rezzes and runs by
[11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: or comes up and talks to you
[11:56]  Richardus Raymaker: sound funny cool
[11:56]  Zardoz Firanelli: The animation xml files, does that work on a region server in a grid?
[11:56]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes some inworld functions to control that would also be needed
[11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: well just ideas i have in my head mostly
[11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: but ya you record with the viewer
[11:56]  Auti Blanco: they are great ideas
[11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: it spits out a file you give the server
[11:57]  Ruben Haan: a sim with emobots to share emotions with
[11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: then the server runs the bot sequence
[11:57]  Auti Blanco: makes a city more alive with the amount of people we do have at the moment
[11:57]  Snoopy Pfeffer: and yes you should be able to store these sequences in a file for import / export
[11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: ya and Diva has done like 500 bots
[11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: in 1 sim
[11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: server side bots
[11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: you could still log in
[11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: it was hard to move
[11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: but she did it
[11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: 200 is more realistic
[11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: which is abotu what i saw that day
[11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: it had moving trains and stuff
[11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: it was awesome
[11:58]  Auti Blanco: cant wait see it worki,ng
[11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: it felt like a true video game
[11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: im sure if you ask her, when she has some time she would show you
[11:58]  Richardus Raymaker: trains.. whoo
[11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: or tell you how to get there
[11:59]  Auti Blanco: neb, u know the utube video about 'Near" where they made a virtual London?
[11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: when i saw it
[11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: we left from her HG spot here on OSgrid
[11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: and like 3 teleports later
[11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: we were at this simulator
[11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: its a 9 or 12 region mega
[11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm not sure i saw that Auti
[11:59]  Snoopy Pfeffer: so you had to use her intermediate jump points?
[11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: yes
[11:59]  Snoopy Pfeffer: they are great
[11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: we left from right next door
[12:00]  Richardus Raymaker: :)
[12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: she gave me a few links i clicked
[12:00]  Auti Blanco: watch this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaoxHgmHY8M
[12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: i didnt keep em
[12:00]  Snoopy Pfeffer: we should also have such public HG portals distributed on the osgrid map
[12:01]  Snoopy Pfeffer: that ppl can use to go to or come from other Hg places
[12:01]  Arielle Popstar: yes
[12:01]  Chelsea Himmel is Offline
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[12:01]  Arielle Popstar: the HG will be better correct?
[12:01]  Snoopy Pfeffer: did look like "particle" humans ;)
[12:01]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe
[12:02]  Arielle Popstar: in the new version
[12:02]  Dahlia Trimble: rl time, bye all :)
[12:02]  Adelle Fitzgerald: bye Dahlia
[12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: see ya dahlia :)
[12:02]  Auti Blanco: the owner of SL London was happy with this video
[12:02]  Snoopy Pfeffer: bye Dahlia
[12:02]  Auti Blanco: wasnt
[12:02]  Dahlia Trimble is Offline
[12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: heh
[12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: well its cool and all
[12:02]  Richardus Raymaker: bye dahlia
[12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: but whast up with eveyrone being a glowing crystal
[12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: thats sorta lame
[12:02]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lol
[12:02]  Snoopy Pfeffer: particles ;)
[12:02]  Auti Blanco: for i know it isnt on yet
[12:03]  Adelle Fitzgerald: how can you buy clothes for a particle?
[12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[12:03]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe
[12:03]  Ruben Haan: particles walking from the applestore to the macdonalds :/
[12:03]  Snoopy Pfeffer: :)
[12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: lol
[12:03]  Auti Blanco: this is buying for real
[12:03]  Adelle Fitzgerald: ohh i see
[12:03]  Auti Blanco: the shops have online webpages where u can order stuff
[12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: ya its like 3D websites
[12:03]  Adelle Fitzgerald: its a simulation of RL?
[12:03]  Adelle Fitzgerald: ahh right
[12:03]  Snoopy Pfeffer: my viewer allows 8192 particle humans ;)
[12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: we'll see its cool but i dunno
[12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: theres a long way to go before people are shopping normally in 3D
[12:04]  Ruben Haan: i dont alouw particle humans in my house
[12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: lots of hurdles to overcome
[12:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: alright, I need to go. Good luck with the transition to the new master merge folks - don't forget to complain loudly ;)
[12:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: I'm joking, of course
[12:04]  Snoopy Pfeffer: bye Justin
[12:04]  Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe
[12:04]  Snoopy Pfeffer: cu
[12:04]  Zardoz Firanelli: I'll save you my rant about shopping, business and scale ;)
[12:04]  Adelle Fitzgerald: bye Justin
[12:04]  Auti Blanco: there's somewhere an article about Near, i think they wwant to be the leader in this kind of simulations for every city
[12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe thanks Justin, we'll let you know how were proceeding
[12:04]  sim core: :-J
[12:04]  Richardus Raymaker: bye justin
[12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: we'll keep everyone updated hopefully
[12:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: cool - you guys are the pathbreakers
[12:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: er, pathfinders
[12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[12:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lol
[12:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hopefully we will not get lost ;)
[12:05]  Penny Lane: JCC: they're not quite that destructive :P
[12:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: heh
[12:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: could have fooled me ;)
[12:05]  Justin Clark-Casey waves
[12:05]  Penny Lane: lol
[12:05]  Chelsea Himmel is Online
[12:05]  Richardus Raymaker: as long we dont flood to bermuda snoopy.
[12:05]  Auti Blanco: "Lost", the virtual life version :-)
[12:05]  Justin Clark-Casey is Offline
[12:06]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes lol
[12:06]  Snoopy Pfeffer: I have some nice islands for that
[12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe