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Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: alright join that
Kevo241: send that invite again
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: there you go
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok?
Kevo241: its saying i cant join because i dont have games on steam???
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: you're kidding right?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: ok hold on let me try this
Kevo241: no -.-'
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Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok that work Kevo?
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Kevo241: all right did that work?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Yes
Wheeze: seems so
Kevo241: awesome
Kevo241: brb
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Alright, Zeldar is in the toilet and he says we can start without him
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Well, we've been having some orgazational issues everywhere
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Technical end, writer's end, etc
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So, starting in this department, we're going to have some organizational methods in place
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: JohnathanMoray and Azaer aren't here, but they are also part of this fyi
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: May I continue?
Wheeze: Yup
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Finals for many of us are coming soon, so unless we do soemthing different, writing and editting will be bottlenecked
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the editors are nearing the point where all buildings will be finalized
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Yes?
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Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Well, pretty soon we're going to have to start making quests
Wheeze: Well there are alot of buildings yet to be made. Probably around 10.
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: The process of making quests needs to be streamlined
Wheeze: Alot of buildings have yet to have characters moved in
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: RIght, but its pretty close to being done
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: NPCs are a big issue
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: But anyway
Wheeze: and some important structures are not made. They take alot of time to create too. Like the castle
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: But the most part, its fairly done
Wheeze: Around 80% I'd say
Kevo241: we could still write for the parts that are done?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So, what I've proposed is this method of organization
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: We split the writing department into different groups, each focused on individual factions, organizations, or lore
Kevo241: oh, 80% not to bad.
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Then we streamline the development process by making circular development
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So here's the template, and I'll continue explaining
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoNpGypm3LdudGRRWHVwN253MGhLZXZJV2RNeG1zTWc#gid=0
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So, we will be having teams working
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Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok hi Zeldar
Wheeze: cap'n is zeldar ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
Cap'n: yes
Wheeze: oh hi
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Zeldar here's the template
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoNpGypm3LdudGRRWHVwN253MGhLZXZJV2RNeG1zTWc#gid=0
Cap'n: im oskutin in disguise huah
Cap'n: kk
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: But back to it
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: We divide all writers into their respected department
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And we follow a pattern of circular development
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: One week, we write basic quest info
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: The next week, we write dialogue
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: The next week, we write the logs
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: The next week, we edit
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And then we send
Wheeze: May I come in here ?
Wheeze: and say something
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Yes
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: That's why you're here
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: also it wouldnt be a week, but something like three days
Kevo241: shit...  thats a really short period of time....
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: "something like"
Wheeze: Even though your methods of planning are well thought out and all that and I might not have a full understanding of this circular development idea you have here but I have 1 tiny problem
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: its going to be flexible
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes?
Wheeze: The problem being: Alot of changes need to be done to quests when they are in development
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Oh, I already have a solution for that
Wheeze: If we are to follow your writing strictly then you are making quests an even bigger pain to make
Wheeze: Yeah alright
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Department heads
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: They're the final sayers
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So they'll be the guys that you contact
Wheeze: yeah
Cap'n: well that can be flexible as well
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: when you need something like, "hey this doesnt work, can we change it to this?"
Cap'n: yea
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: then the dept. heads will go along and be like, "yeah" or, "let me contact the guy that wrote it"
Wheeze: yeah, I get it.
Wheeze: Continue
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and having more people work in groups allows for flexibility
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Alright
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So following circular development
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: It also gives us as people time
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Because hell finals are coming up
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And say, zeldar and I can't write anything when it NEEDS to be written
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: then someone from that department can finish up
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and send
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that way, things can be done faster, and more efficient
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and because we have loads of NPCs
Wheeze: That seems like a pretty good plan
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that need dialogue, need back stories, etc
Wheeze: So let me try and understand this
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeah sure
Wheeze: fully.
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so like?
Wheeze: I'm writing down my thoughts here
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: k
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Oh and Zeldar, Jonathan and Azaer are not here
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Just fyi
Cap'n: oh ok
Kevo241: quick thing, apparently I can't add people but I can accept friend invites so if you all could send me an invite that would be great.
Wheeze: lets say you take 3 day "development periods" to develop basic quest info
Wheeze: and
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: (kevo, i've already got that covered, wait for th end)
Kevo241: all right, sorry.
Wheeze: well does that pretty much mean that every writer will start working on quest info for their respective departments ?
Wheeze: yeah It's obvious now that I write it down
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: initially yes, but some departments will obviously need more, others less
Wheeze: Right
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and here's the way we organize this whole thing
Wheeze: Alright we got overall plan of making individual quests
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: I've already set up a steam group
Wheeze: but what about history of luftahraan and characters ?
Wheeze: how is that going to be made ? who makes that ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: That will be for Luftahraan writers, and each department head will be an officer
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: here's your answer wheeze
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Each Department Head is going to be responsible for making a Steam Announcement entitled:
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: "Pirate's Guild Department: Today's Objective is..."
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and within that announcement will be the layout on how things need to be
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: what needs to be done
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and so forth
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so for example
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Lore Department: Today's Objective is Scumbag Sewers NPC Batch 1
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And then it will detail what is NPC Batch 1
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: What we need to do with it
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and the format of writing the stuff
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that make sense?
Wheeze: I guess
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Having announcments also make flexible dev circles
Wheeze: so this department head is the one that needs to plan out what the writers need to do
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so the reason i have this meeting is three part
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: 1) To discuss this plan
Wheeze: creating the plan itself
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Thoughts? Concerns?
Wheeze: Well
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: the department head plans wwhat the writers need to do
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and also decides the finished product
Wheeze: The only "problem" i know of is
Wheeze: this seems to be so time based
Wheeze: you know ?
Wheeze: "Today's goal"
Wheeze: and that 1week/3day thing
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: well, i guess it wouldnt say today's
Wheeze: some of us don't have the time to just sit down and work when told to
Wheeze: So I think, in order for this to work fully, we'd need more writers
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that's why i suggested having multiple people working in one department
Wheeze: because then if 1 department head will create a plan
Kevo241: yeah that was my concern
Wheeze: it might not get finished very quickly
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: again, this would be very flexible
Cap'n: well the department head could set any goal for any amount of time he wants, ranging from 3 days to 3 weeks
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: /\
Cap'n: and so on
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: its all up to the department head for time lengths of the development
Wheeze: Do we need time at all ?
Wheeze: Can't we just have "goals" ?
Cap'n: yea that could work as well
Wheeze: and then when this goal is reached
Wheeze: we can go on to the next
Cap'n: like "current goal: finish rest of dialogue"
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: sure
Cap'n: precisely
Wheeze: as in 1 goal is to plan out 5 new quests
Wheeze: then when that is done
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: next goal
Wheeze: we do the dialogue for these 5 quests
Wheeze: and so on
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeah that works
Cap'n: personally i dont feel the need to force obligations on people in a community project
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: though i think ill call it "This Week's Goal" just for shits and gigles
Wheeze: yeah
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeah, zeldar
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Alright, well with that taken care of
Wheeze: what does obligations mean ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: means people have to do something
Kevo241: To be expected to do something
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: we dont want them thinking they HAVE to do it
Wheeze: yeah I'm reading up on it now
Wheeze: well if we dont want that
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok with that taken care of
Kevo241: exactly
Wheeze: what else is there to do ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: we want them to want to do it
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: not feel like they have to do it
Kevo241: Any graphic work need to be done?
Wheeze: and how do we acheive that ?
Kevo241: Or is that for when the project is more towards the completed side?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Well there's a lot of people wanting to contribute
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but dont have CK
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: this section, writing, will let them contribute
Wheeze: yeah I think we dont need any graphical work atm. unless you do 3d modelling or something
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: they want to contribute
Wheeze: right so we have people in departments
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
Wheeze: then we have random contributors ?
Kevo241: I don't know to much about weapon of cloth modeling
Cap'n: sort of off topic but have we tried to advertise for help in the nexus forums or has that been unsuccessful
Kevo241: but i know a bit about text.
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: we could incorporate concept art into this area
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: like, change it to the Art and Story sector
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and have an entire department based on art
Wheeze: Alright alright help me understand this one part
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but that's something for future meetings imo
Wheeze: if we have groups of people
Wheeze: then how can we let anybody contribute ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: we still let them contribute
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but if they express that they want to help a lot
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: then me, zeld, somebody, can refer them to us
Wheeze: Yeah
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Now I have a few more things specifically before the main bit
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: 1) Weekly meetings
Wheeze: I like that idea
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: We need weekly meetings with department heads, and/or everyone else so we can discuss what has been accomplished, what needs more time, what's nearing completion, where to go next
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: 2) Department Switching
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: If someone wants to switch departments, that should be fine, agreed? No limitations
Wheeze: yeah
Kevo241: ok what about if they are in the middle of a concept?
Wonderboy: Should we also have a google doc or something to upload what we're currently working on? It might help out with the iterative process throughout the week. So like someone could upload a first draft of a quest, and if someone else had time they could look through it and jot down suggestions.
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that comes to my point three haha
Kevo241: should they at least try to finish it before changing departments?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes Kevo, they should, but in case they are adamant, someone else from that department can pick up where they left off
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: 3) Dropbox? Google Docs? Both?
Kevo241: all right yeah
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Google docs gets incredibly hectic when all the stuff is put in one spot
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So what I thought was, have all ideas go on Google Docs
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and have all confirmed/completed quests, logs, etc in a Dropbox shared by all writers
Kevo241: does anyone know how to formulate spread sheets?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: not really :(
Kevo241: nevermind that wouldnt work anyways
Wheeze: what is forumlating spread sheets ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And so with those three points completed
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Right, so this sounds good? Splitting the writing sector into departments
Kevo241: makes different cells react and change based off of each other
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and have a department head be responsible for the final products and changes
Kevo241: makes the cells dynamic instead of static
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: /\ idk
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: All in all, sounds good?
Wheeze: yes it sounds good but we are putting alot of faith into these department heads. We should be able to, as a whole, decline decisions made by department heads if they are just not good at all
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yea, editors obviously have higher say
Wonderboy: So the writers are now also congress?
Kevo241: all right I have to go. Some one brief me with the conclusion...
Wheeze: It's better then the chaos we had before though
Wheeze: haha congress
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Wait Kevo
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: ok last two things
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: first before kevo goes
Kevo241: ok hurry please.
Kevo241: i'll be in a little bit
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: bye
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok finally
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: I need to find out what departments you guys are interested in
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: I know that Zeldar should be the department head of the pirate's
Wheeze: Departments are like "pirate guild, KGB, Sovereign, Main quest" right ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: there will be more
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but at the moment that's what should be focused on
Wheeze: Right so there another concern pops up
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: i think i know where you're going
Wheeze: there are 4 departments right now and maybe more
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: what if there are too many departments?
Wheeze: wouldn't that spread our resources a bit thin ?
Wheeze: yes
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Well let's take the Pirate's Guild
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Once that gets finished
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that entire area
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that team will have a new "department" name
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: basically
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so the team working on Pirate's GUild will work on like "Guards"
Wheeze: As in
Wheeze: when 1 department is done it moves to another subject ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and that's where team meetings will come in
Wheeze: Then I think we should put some departments on hold so that we can focus on 2-3 quest lines at a time
Wheeze: and finish them up
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeah that's a good idea
Wheeze: Like only work on pirate guild and main quest until it's done
Wheeze: and then move on to sovereign and KGB
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: right
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: well, we'll have a team meeting next week to decide everything at its fullest
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but now, so everyone can leave
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: what departments are you guys interested in?
Wheeze: i'm not a writer so I have no say here
Wonderboy: So is there a basic outline already set for the departments?
Wonderboy: on what exactly they quests will focus on
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes there are some outlines
Wonderboy: or is that still in the process
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: some
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: not all
Wonderboy: k
Cap'n: there's an outline for the pirates guild that can still be added to
Wheeze: Well it's divided into the quest lines like main quest, sovereign/guards, pirate guild
Wheeze: right ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
Wheeze: So you're basically asking
Wheeze: what part of luftahraan do you want to work on
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: what quest line you wanna do?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: percisely
Wheeze: KGB, Sovereign, Pirate Guild or Main Quest
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: main quest should be on hold at the moment
Wheeze: but if you give them a free choice here
Wheeze: that means we might spread our manpower/resources too thin again
Wheeze: some people might not want to work on the pirate guild
Wheeze: meaning it would stop in development
Wheeze: right ?
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: hence why im asking what they want to do right now
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so i can change a department if necessary
Wheeze: Right ok
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: i will need an answer sometime today
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but with that, ive also sent the writers an invite to the Writer's Steam group
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so are there any more questions?
Wheeze: only a suggestion
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: sure
Wheeze: you should post the summary of what we have decided today
Wheeze: on to facepunch
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: sure
Wheeze: and post this chat log as well
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and ill have a pastebin of the chat
Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeap
Wheeze: so that everybody will not miss out on this