RT4 Minutes 6/11

(08:02:00 PM) liqudExe_: Welcome to the 8PM meeting.  I want to thank each of you for showing up and
(08:02:00 PM) liqudExe_: your input is valuable as we have a lot of work to do.  First we have reports from each of the departments.
(08:02:00 PM) liqudExe_: and then we will open it up to anyone who has something they wish to discuss. If you have a topic you want
(08:02:00 PM) liqudExe_: to discuss please /msg BlackPhoenixGeneral and he will queue you
(08:02:19 PM) liqudExe_: First up is Sandwhich for a report on the website
(08:02:39 PM) sandwichcat: copying and pasting as per usual.
(08:02:42 PM) sandwichcat: the site is live as of right now. i have no idea what kind of load it can handle. assume it will crash a lot at first.
(08:02:45 PM) sandwichcat: everyone who did shit: good job. everyone who wanted to do shit but didn't get to yet: i'm sure there's more shit to do so get your shit pants on.
(08:02:49 PM) sandwichcat: http://www.restorethefourth.net/
(08:03:22 PM) sandwichcat: some of the pages might not be published yet. i'm doing that right now.
(08:03:24 PM) sandwichcat: that's all i've got.
(08:04:05 PM) liqudExe_: Thanks Sandwichchat next up is Jordon with PR
(08:04:16 PM) mode (+v JordanL) by liqudExe_
(08:04:17 PM) Yelnoc: jordan may be afk
(08:04:36 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Lol
(08:04:43 PM) BipolarBear0: JordanL is definitely AFK
(08:04:48 PM) BipolarBear0: So next one up
(08:04:55 PM) BipolarBear0: I think NoUrImmature wants t talk
(08:04:58 PM) BipolarBear0: NoUrImmature, go ahead
(08:05:02 PM) JordanL: ah
(08:05:05 PM) BipolarBear0: Oop
(08:05:05 PM) JordanL: crap
(08:05:06 PM) JordanL: sorry
(08:05:06 PM) JordanL: lol
(08:05:07 PM) BipolarBear0: Here he is ;)
(08:05:10 PM) JordanL: i was afk
(08:05:13 PM) JordanL: just sat back down
(08:05:20 PM) JordanL: sorry everyone :)
(08:05:22 PM) NoUrImmature: Hi, I have been in control of the Facebook page for RTF
(08:05:22 PM) liqudExe_: Ok Next is skyfell
(08:05:24 PM) NoUrImmature: https://www.facebook.com/RestoreTheFourth
(08:05:35 PM) JordanL: alright here's the update
(08:05:58 PM) CloudyBrine is now known as Brine
(08:06:02 PM) NoUrImmature: I would like to encourage everyone to message me with links they want to see posted, pictures I can share on facebook and instagram and share posts when they do go live
(08:06:13 PM) liqudExe_: ok skyfell isn't here
(08:06:17 PM) JordanL: Me, Wansyth, Entrarchy and Mentalist have all volunteered so far for PR
(08:06:26 PM) Wansyth: Hello everyone!
(08:06:29 PM) JordanL: I am putting together training material at the moment
(08:06:32 PM) liqudExe_: I did see he left his report
(08:06:32 PM) liqudExe_: Hey everybody,
(08:06:32 PM) liqudExe_: First off, I’m working with JordanL on a network of regional representatives to handle press stuff. Here’s the info if you’re interested: http://redd.it/1g5dx6
(08:06:32 PM) liqudExe_: So here’s what’s happened so far in the world of #r4info.
(08:06:36 PM) liqudExe_: The content has been submitted to the website! Yay!
(08:06:37 PM) liqudExe_: We’ve added sections of text on donations and contact.
(08:06:37 PM) liqudExe_: The entirety of the content is here: http://collabedit.com/53aqk please don’t muck it up.
(08:06:37 PM) liqudExe_: Most of our efforts have been focused on press text. Again, the link for the huff post press release is at http://pastebin.com/QQY33JQs, But JordanL has that all covered.
(08:06:37 PM) liqudExe_: lastly, I want to reiterate that this is a nonviolent movement. ALL of our materials and anything associated with us should keep this in mind.This is an awareness focused cause; proposing solutions and stating demands will only fragment our movement.
(08:06:37 PM) liqudExe_: And that’s about it, folks. Stay classy. -andthentheskyfell
(08:06:37 PM) NoUrImmature: We have 730 likes so far and most posts over 24 hours old have been seen at least 1000 times
(08:06:51 PM) BipolarBear0: JordanL Did the PR for Occupy Portland, so he's good at what he does
(08:07:03 PM) JordanL: ah, thank you very much for that kindness
(08:07:07 PM) Buffalo716: I'd like to advocate Jordan for PR.
(08:07:09 PM) JordanL: we have had one inquiry so far
(08:07:16 PM) JordanL: from an AP reporter
(08:07:19 PM) liqudExe_: Next is Buffalo716
(08:07:24 PM) JordanL: it was basic background
(08:07:29 PM) Buffalo716: Marketing representative here.
(08:07:29 PM) Buffalo716: After countless hours we got lucky cramming words together and came up with "Big brother has seen enough" as our  slogan.
(08:07:29 PM) Buffalo716: http://i.imgur.com/uM0NSUW.jpg
(08:07:29 PM) Buffalo716: It meets the requirements of proper marketing:
(08:07:29 PM) Buffalo716: 1. Catchy
(08:07:29 PM) Buffalo716: 2. Informative.
(08:07:30 PM) Buffalo716: 3. Immediate call to action
(08:07:30 PM) Buffalo716: We couldn't come up with a consensus on posters, so we'll leave those up to the respective cities.
(08:07:31 PM) Buffalo716: There are dozens, if not hundreds of well done, professional looking posters that have been made. It would be a shame to deny any of them.
(08:07:40 PM) Buffalo716: We need to compile links to the reddit page and website on the social media pages. That's the next priority, as  people need quick access to information on the movement.
(08:07:40 PM) Buffalo716: Also, we want to spread the hashtags. Hashtags, Hashtags, Hashtags. It worked for occupy, it'll work for us.
(08:07:41 PM) Buffalo716:  #restorethe4th and restorethefourth
(08:07:41 PM) Buffalo716: Every little bit helps
(08:07:41 PM) liqudExe_ left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection).
(08:07:52 PM) Buffalo716: Even 4chan is helping out, with project "resist".
(08:07:52 PM) Buffalo716: Link to "resist" http://priceofliberty.tumblr.com/post/49918388380/resist-this-symbol-represents-the-resistors-used
(08:08:06 PM) Buffalo716: All in all we're very happy with how it's turning out and will report any further progress as it becomes available.
(08:08:06 PM) Buffalo716: Additionally, all minutes will be available on reddit tonight, for anything that is missed.
(08:08:06 PM) Buffalo716: Thank you.
(08:08:13 PM) Yelnoc: ok guys it looks like LiqudExe_ dropped out of the meeting, so I'm going to take over
(08:08:24 PM) BipolarBear0: LiqudExe_s connection is bad
(08:08:32 PM) Yelnoc: We skipped skyfell up there, who was going to give an update on #r4info's progress
(08:08:44 PM) BipolarBear0: andthentheskyfell, you here?
(08:08:47 PM) Yelnoc: and I don't see that he is in here
(08:09:16 PM) BipolarBear0: !op yusiye
(08:09:17 PM) mode (+o yusiye) by ChanServ
(08:09:26 PM) yusiye: i can cover for sky fell
(08:09:32 PM) Yelnoc: ok, so unfortunately the people who were in the que for LiqudExe_ I do not have access for
(08:09:35 PM) Yelnoc: or to that is
(08:09:40 PM) yusiye: regarding today's work from sky fell
(08:09:43 PM) Yelnoc: yusiye if you would like go ahead
(08:09:44 PM) BipolarBear0: BlackPhoenixGeneral has the queue
(08:09:48 PM) BipolarBear0: AFAIK
(08:09:50 PM) liqudExe_ [~liqudExe_@y-04-04-462-08.hsd9.va.comcast.net] entered the room.
(08:09:52 PM) restorethefourthweb_ is now known as restorethefourthweb-on-mobile
(08:09:54 PM) BipolarBear0: He's back
(08:09:55 PM) liqudExe_ is now known as Guest22461
(08:09:58 PM) yusiye: sky fell and other PR team has been helping out the website's content
(08:09:59 PM) BipolarBear0: Sort of
(08:10:16 PM) yusiye: with about us, contact, donation and various other pages
(08:10:34 PM) Buffalo716: How are we handling donations?
(08:10:46 PM) Yelnoc: buffalo, please wait while yusiye gives his presentation :)
(08:10:49 PM) yusiye: If the chair allow, I'd like to add shiftoner to the speaker list for show & tell about google map protest page
(08:11:02 PM) Yelnoc: the chair allows
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(08:11:20 PM) Buffalo716: Sorry. Hit enter on accident
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(08:11:44 PM) Yelnoc: yusiye was just filling in for skyfell
(08:11:47 PM) Yelnoc: liqud
(08:11:59 PM) yusiye: i think we can queue shiftoner after next speaker
(08:12:06 PM) BipolarBear0: !voice andthentheskyfell
(08:12:06 PM) mode (+v andthentheskyfell) by ChanServ
(08:12:12 PM) BipolarBear0: andthentheskyfell, have anything to say?
(08:12:24 PM) andthentheskyfell: um everything has been posted already except
(08:12:37 PM) andthentheskyfell: http://redd.it/1g5dx6
(08:12:47 PM) andthentheskyfell: I'm trying to get regional press representatives on board
(08:12:59 PM) andthentheskyfell: so that when this thing gets big, we can communicate to the masses at large
(08:13:10 PM) andthentheskyfell: and take pressure off Jordan, the PR god at large
(08:13:28 PM) andthentheskyfell: so read it and message me if you're interested. that's all. thanks guys :)
(08:13:53 PM) Wansyth: Hey everyone!
(08:14:01 PM) mode (+o liqudExe_) by Yelnoc
(08:14:02 PM) Wansyth: I just wanted to go over a few things right quick.
(08:14:04 PM) Wansyth: Please keep in mind that this is a non-violent movement, and ANY RTF material must reinforce that fact! (Especially local pages/groups)
(08:14:14 PM) Wansyth: We have also decided this is an awareness focused cause; proposing solutions and stating demands will only fragment our movement. We are staying away from politics and focusing on the issues!
(08:14:15 PM) JordanL: lets avoid cults of personality here :P i like being appreciated, but dont want anyone getting the wrong idea
(08:14:29 PM) Wansyth: If anyone has any media inquiries please direct them to press@restorethefourth.net.
(08:14:33 PM) mode (-vv JordanL Wansyth) by Yelnoc
(08:14:40 PM) mode (-v sentient_galactic) by Yelnoc
(08:14:47 PM) liqudExe_: ok
(08:14:47 PM) mode (-v andthentheskyfell) by Yelnoc
(08:14:54 PM) mode (-v Buffalo716) by Yelnoc
(08:15:04 PM) mode (-v ErosAbounds) by Yelnoc
(08:15:24 PM) mode (-v whosejongault) by Yelnoc
(08:15:30 PM) BipolarBear0: JordanL is literally Hitler
(08:15:33 PM) liqudExe_: now we have new business then discusion.  Type out your questions now so we can move through them quickly
(08:15:36 PM) BipolarBear0: Huge cult of personality around him
(08:15:36 PM) mode (-v princessbubblegumm) by Yelnoc
(08:15:42 PM) liqudExe_: First in the queue is Eskimo
(08:16:25 PM) mode (+v eskimo) by liqudExe_
(08:16:32 PM) liqudExe_: Go ahead Eskimo
(08:16:39 PM) eskimo: thanks
(08:16:45 PM) eskimo: A group of us discussed the need for a clearly defined set of goals. Previous successful reform movements demanded a need for such a platform in order to avoid being marginalized by a lack of a clear answer to the question, "What do you want?" We believe the following 5 planks clearly represents our goals, but are open to adding/editing/deleteing i
(08:16:45 PM) eskimo: tems.
(08:16:56 PM) eskimo: Restore the Fourth intends to:
(08:16:56 PM) eskimo: 1. Call for a congressional hearing and criminal investigation into the extent of domestic government surveillance programs and the constitutionality of these programs.
(08:16:56 PM) eskimo: 2. Repeal the Patriot Act. It allows for violations of our Fourth Amendment rights by undermining the system of checks and balances in our government. If our currently elected representatives will not do so, then we shall, in the course of time, elect those who will.
(08:16:56 PM) eskimo: 3. End the abuse of ambiguously defined constraints on FISA, and plainly express its domain.
(08:16:56 PM) eskimo: 4. Call for the implementation of a transparent government that respects the Fourth Amendment and represents the interests of the people of the United States of America. We recognize the necessity of legal surveillance of those that mean to do us harm, but the legality of such programs should not be decided in secret courts behind closed doors.
(08:16:56 PM) eskimo: 5. Call for the removal of the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, from office on the grounds of lying in response to Senator Ron Wyden's inquiries at an open Senate Intelligence Committee Hearing on March 12, 2013.
(08:17:04 PM) eskimo: If you would like to review the history of these goals, please view http://piratepad.net/Hfqrv7E6Wu
(08:17:25 PM) eskimo: I realize there is some contention over the need to define goals. I feel strongly that we should have them defined, but it is obviously open for discussion
(08:17:34 PM) eskimo: And that's all. Thanks!
(08:17:57 PM) liqudExe_: Thanks Eskimo Next is Paroxysm
(08:17:58 PM) BipolarBear0: I think personally that's good to have for after July 4th
(08:18:11 PM) mode (+v paroxysm) by liqudExe_
(08:18:21 PM) BipolarBear0: But leading up to July 4th, we should focus on awareness and not potentially divisive demands
(08:18:23 PM) mode (-v eskimo) by liqudExe_
(08:18:33 PM) paroxysm: Thanks!  Just a couple brief regional announcements and a little bit of advice on local advertisement.
(08:18:42 PM) paroxysm: Brace for incoming copypaste
(08:18:43 PM) paroxysm: Hey everyone - I'm the regional leader for the San Francisco Bay Area protest (swing by /r/restorethefourthsf) and would just like to briefly update on our progress.  We have over thirty people confirmed to attend a protest in San Francisco and I'm working on a secondary protest in Silicon Valley for the purpose of encouraging tech companies to joi
(08:18:43 PM) paroxysm: n us.  We're currently the most active restorethefourth regional sub, and are currently planning more specifics on where and precisely when to start the protest in San Francisco.  We are also working with the Berkeley protesters to get a larger member base.
(08:18:49 PM) paroxysm: Also, from someone who does volunteer coordinating as a job, and has experience holding protests in the area, some small suggestions on advertisement: I'm putting together a small letter-sized poster image, with QR codes and links to the SF Bay Area protest sub, and will be releasing it within the week.  I'll put a blank copy on /r/restorethefourth
(08:18:49 PM) paroxysm:  so people can edit in their own protest links.  My advice is to talk to anyone and everyone you know in person that might be interested, and stay on message:  the more you emphasize that our rights have been violated, no matter the political proclivities of who you're talking to, the more likely they are to join our cause.  Post the signs up on li
(08:18:50 PM) paroxysm: ghtpoles, anywhere there might be pedestrian traffic, and particularly on and about college campuses, where people are more likely to be 'radicalised' and join protests.  Just a little advice!  That's all - any comments or questions about this can be directed to /r/restorethefourthsf. (or message me here, or on Reddit as /u/paroxysm11)
(08:19:14 PM) paroxysm: That's all, thanks~
(08:19:25 PM) liqudExe_: Thanks Next up is Eroabounds
(08:19:31 PM) mode (+v ErosAbounds) by liqudExe_
(08:19:39 PM) mode (-v paroxysm) by liqudExe_
(08:19:49 PM) ErosAbounds: Hi all
(08:20:06 PM) ErosAbounds: If programs like these absolutely have to exist for "national security" then there needs to be some sort of public transparent oversight. Not the "we have lawyers looking at this stuff behind closed doors rhetoric". Some sort of monthly published report, submitted to a specific congressional committee and available to the public should be postulate
(08:20:06 PM) ErosAbounds: d. Along with a third-party reviewing organization that is unbiased. As a veteran of the Iraq war I have seen frist hand grass roots terrorism so there is merit when you hear the need for such programs. That being said what we have right now is absolutely intolerable.
(08:20:30 PM) ErosAbounds: That's about all I have right now, thanks!
(08:20:51 PM) liqudExe_: Thanks Next up veryorigional78
(08:21:03 PM) mode (+v veryoriginal78) by liqudExe_
(08:21:13 PM) mode (-v ErosAbounds) by Yelnoc
(08:21:13 PM) mode (-v ErosAbounds) by liqudExe_
(08:22:01 PM) [1]FunkyMo is now known as FunkyMo
(08:22:34 PM) liqudExe_: Ok next up is princessbubblegum
(08:22:43 PM) mode (+v princessbubblegumm) by liqudExe_
(08:22:46 PM) princessbubblegumm: Hi everyone! I'm from the r/restorethefourthSF sub. We're currently discussing march routes and things of that sort, and I've noticed that the issue of whether or not to apply for permits has divided some folks in our group. Wondering if other folks are having the same discussion.  What's the consensus for applying for permits in our respective cit
(08:22:46 PM) princessbubblegumm: ies/regions to protest? Thanks in advance.
(08:23:05 PM) mode (-v veryoriginal78) by liqudExe_
(08:23:31 PM) liqudExe_: Ok Next up is solxyz
(08:23:41 PM) mode (+v solxyz) by liqudExe_
(08:23:43 PM) solxyz: thanks
(08:23:44 PM) solxyz: i wanted to start a discussion on organizational structure.
(08:23:45 PM) solxyz: what is going on right now seems to be working quite well for now - im very happy with it
(08:23:45 PM) solxyz: but once we go big time, things are going to change - perhaps in unpredictable ways
(08:23:45 PM) solxyz: while the most central leadership positions seem fairly formalized at this point, the next ring of contributors, people like me participate in a structureless, spontaneous way.
(08:23:45 PM) solxyz: that is fine and in fact good for an organization of this size, but if this group suddenly gets hit with 20 or 100 times the number of people we have now
(08:23:45 PM) solxyz: the core leadership will have no option but to start running things in a highly hierarchical and highly centralized way.
(08:23:45 PM) solxyz: that could be bad for us, especially since that will be the time when (a) we will need to be
(08:23:46 PM) solxyz: deciding how to proceed - what actions to take after 7/4, what our demands should be, etc.  and (b) it is more likely that there will
(08:23:46 PM) solxyz: gov agents trying to hijack the movement.
(08:23:47 PM) solxyz: I dont have any solution to propose at this time, but we should all start thinking about
(08:23:47 PM) solxyz:  developing more structure to our organization, specifically so that we can stay flexible as we grow.
(08:23:48 PM) solxyz: finished
(08:23:51 PM) mode (-v princessbubblegumm) by liqudExe_
(08:24:13 PM) liqudExe_: Ok Next up is jorbed
(08:24:29 PM) mode (+v jorbedfefftn) by liqudExe_
(08:24:43 PM) jorbedfefftn: Hi, Could we not petition the ITU to investigate what has been happening in US privacy?
(08:24:50 PM) banjax|afk is now known as banjax
(08:25:09 PM) jorbedfefftn: done.
(08:25:39 PM) liqudExe_: Ok next up is shifttoner
(08:25:47 PM) mode (+v shiftoner) by liqudExe_
(08:25:55 PM) mode (-v jorbedfefftn) by liqudExe_
(08:26:07 PM) shiftoner: Hey everyone
(08:26:08 PM) shiftoner: we have two simple demos for the map tool that have yet to be merged:
(08:26:09 PM) shiftoner: https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/51b5388e17d1df69490033bb/51b7523e19323f205100852a/6492d4d45aba91fa7a3bda9cabff43d7/map_jquery.html
(08:26:11 PM) shiftoner: https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/51b5388e17d1df69490033bb/51b7523e19323f205100852a/2e5266962cff711abc24ff14ef9f04b0/map.html
(08:26:12 PM) shiftoner: This effort is being wrapped up by freeze4096 right now and should be integrated to the main site as soon as we get the content entered and the page is merged with the django trunk.
(08:26:13 PM) shiftoner: Many thanks again to everyone else that assisted today it is literally too many people for me to remember right now please PM me if you feel I forgot you and will make sure it is corrected.
(08:26:14 PM) shiftoner: that is all
(08:26:26 PM) liqudExe_: Thanks
(08:26:29 PM) liqudExe_: Up next is waynsth
(08:26:40 PM) mode (+v Wansyth) by liqudExe_
(08:26:48 PM) Wansyth: I'm also involved with the Dallas area group. We will be meeting on the fourth at Klyde Warren Park in Dallas, Texas. We have 48 tagged as going on our facebook page!
(08:26:48 PM) Wansyth: http://www.reddit.com/r/restorethe4thdallas/
(08:26:48 PM) Wansyth: https://www.facebook.com/events/503910099663127/
(08:26:55 PM) Wansyth: Please join in!
(08:26:56 PM) Wansyth: Thanks
(08:26:58 PM) mode (-v shiftoner) by liqudExe_
(08:27:04 PM) mode (-v solxyz) by liqudExe_
(08:27:09 PM) sandwichcat: shiftoner freeze4096 other people whom i am forgetting: good job with the map
(08:27:20 PM) liqudExe_: Ok now we will have 3 mintues per presenter
(08:27:34 PM) liqudExe_: So anyone have anything to ask SandwhichCat now is the time
(08:27:39 PM) mode (-m ) by liqudExe_
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(08:27:53 PM) yusiye: regarding website only please
(08:28:11 PM) restorethefourthweb-on-mobile: Who is handling the donations?
(08:28:25 PM) yusiye: donation question later please
(08:28:26 PM) aletech: On the resources page, could we perhaps put some "official" posters and flyers for general use?
(08:28:39 PM) bigbother: Just that this story should be put on it: http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believe_the_government_should_be_allowed_to/caeb3pl
(08:28:43 PM) nerfyoda: The map is an awesome idea. Can the website also have a list of regional marches with links to their FB events/pages?
(08:28:48 PM) sandwichcat: aletech: yes when they're ready. if they're ready now i can do it later tonight
(08:28:54 PM) Feed_me_upvotes: is privacy  is security our logo?
(08:28:56 PM) snoo_23833: I was under the impression the "Privacy is Security" message under the logo at http://www.restorethefourth.net/  was still under debate
(08:28:57 PM) willrowhood: May I just say that the website looks like its off to a great start!
(08:29:01 PM) one_eye_open: would a full implementation of https be possible?
(08:29:03 PM) mast`: I've already mentionned it in #r4dev but I think there should be a discussion about using Open Street Map along with OpenLayers instead of Google Maps for any kind of "meetup planning" on the web site.
(08:29:15 PM) freeze4096: nerfyoda: yes, the map will drill down to specific details for each city/event
(08:29:18 PM) ErosAbounds: If there could be a link on the page describing/discussing times and date of rallies/protests for each major city I think that would help a lot.
(08:29:24 PM) sandwichcat: i should mention that there's a bit more design to do on the site (footer for example)
(08:29:27 PM) restorethefourthweb-on-mobile: Yusiye: someone else will have to ask it because I'm at 2 percent battery on my phone
(08:29:36 PM) kyril: yes, I thought the slogan was intended to be "Big Brother has seen enough", not Privacy Is Security"
(08:29:48 PM) ErosAbounds: ^this
(08:29:51 PM) Buffalo: The slogan is "Big brother has seen enough"
(08:29:57 PM) sandwichcat: kyril: correct. as soon as i get a high quality transparent png i will swap it
(08:29:57 PM) freeze4096: +1
(08:30:00 PM) Feed_me_upvotes: than change the website
(08:30:02 PM) Brine: Personally, I think that Privacy Is Security is a more meaningful slogan.
(08:30:03 PM) Expl0siv0: i like it
(08:30:04 PM) kyril: thanks
(08:30:08 PM) paroxysm: Agreed.
(08:30:12 PM) sandwichcat: i'm not using the jpg. it looks like pixels ;)
(08:30:14 PM) Ego: How am I supposed to troll this channel if you keep it +m?  Ffs!
(08:30:15 PM) whosejongault: Can you put the hashtags on the splash?
(08:30:16 PM) themanwhoisblake: http://i.imgur.com/KpC2tMO.png?1
(08:30:17 PM) ErosAbounds: Right but it is a contradiction
(08:30:24 PM) BipolarBear0: !kill Ego
(08:30:28 PM) themanwhoisblake: There is a .png with the updated slogan
(08:30:33 PM) sandwichcat: whosejongault: gladly.
(08:30:36 PM) restorethefourthweb-on-mobile is now known as restorethefourthweb-battery-is
(08:30:37 PM) shiftoner: love them both
(08:30:43 PM) ErosAbounds: The privacy of the Prism program that is no longer private is exactly why politicians are screaming that these things are needed
(08:30:51 PM) one_eye_open: I don't like that 'has' is a different color. Seems to apply emphasis offtopic
(08:30:52 PM) astrawnomore: Privacy is Security is open to interpretation. It could actually be twisted to mean the opposite of what we mean.
(08:30:59 PM) bigbother: "has" shouldnt be blue, feels weird
(08:30:59 PM) ErosAbounds: ^that
(08:31:01 PM) Feed_me_upvotes: i like big brother
(08:31:02 PM) mode (+m ) by liqudExe_
(08:31:04 PM) sandwichcat: themanwhoisblake: thanks. is that a transparent bg? it needs to be
(08:31:26 PM) liqudExe_: Ok 3 mintues is up feel free to pop over the r4dev and discuss this to your hearts content after the meeting
(08:31:58 PM) liqudExe_: Next up is JordonL to talk about PR
(08:32:10 PM) mode (+v JordanL) by liqudExe_
(08:32:18 PM) JordanL: alright, sorry about that
(08:32:22 PM) JordanL: im at work
(08:32:25 PM) JordanL: so im afk sometimes
(08:32:44 PM) JordanL: we had an AP reporter that contacted us for background through the press email, press@restorethefourth.net
(08:32:53 PM) liqudExe_: I will open it up for discussion after JordanL talks
(08:33:04 PM) JordanL: i composed a reply and had people here provide their input and edits
(08:33:13 PM) JordanL: then sent it, and copied both to the google group
(08:33:31 PM) JordanL: andthentheskyfell has been working on contacting regional pr people
(08:33:40 PM) JordanL: so that most of the pr can be handled by people around the country
(08:33:57 PM) JordanL: ideally, pr works as a structure to route and support the movements around the country
(08:34:05 PM) JordanL: not to set agendas or messaging
(08:34:28 PM) JordanL: it is here to help you deal with media, teach you *how* to say what you want to say, and connect media with people
(08:34:35 PM) JordanL: so that we can keep track of things
(08:34:50 PM) JordanL: im preparing training materials that will be freely distributed when they are done
(08:34:53 PM) JordanL: that's all
(08:35:10 PM) liqudExe_: Ok were gonna open it up to question for jordan for 3 mintues
(08:35:14 PM) mode (-m ) by liqudExe_
(08:35:15 PM) astrawnomore: Can someone link me to the Google Group on which the email reply is posted?
(08:35:29 PM) Ego: You guys censor more than the government tries to censor the journalists who expose their deceitful ways.
(08:35:41 PM) Cepheid1: When can I expect the Training Materials to be available?
(08:35:43 PM) ErosAbounds: -__-
(08:35:47 PM) veryoriginal78: And where?
(08:35:51 PM) LiberalTarian: What willthe training entail?
(08:35:52 PM) banjax: JordanL where do we stand on a press release?
(08:36:03 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Soon
(08:36:14 PM) JordanL: Training materials will be available ASAP. I'd expect within the next two days. Posted to reddit, here and on the website most likely.
(08:36:24 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Banjax press release on thursday at 9 am est
(08:36:25 PM) JordanL: Press release is mostly being handled by Entrarchy
(08:36:26 PM) eskimo: Do we have some kind of central repository of PR material?
(08:36:30 PM) Cepheid1: Wonderful. Thanks!
(08:36:38 PM) JordanL: not at the moment but we will as soon as we can
(08:36:39 PM) whosejongault: Do we want to wait for a social media blitz after or before the press release
(08:36:39 PM) eskimo: I'd like to recommend github or something of the like, or maybe even the website
(08:36:44 PM) JordanL: after
(08:36:48 PM) Feed_me_upvotes: thank you jordan
(08:36:54 PM) JordanL: github is not a bad idea at all
(08:36:56 PM) infinites_irc: How will this scandal remain current after a month? Everyone will forget about it in a couple weeks just like every other major news story.
(08:37:00 PM) whosejongault: Isn't it going to help us if we're around before?
(08:37:01 PM) snoo_30401: Will the regional reps have a means of being in contact with one another? And the larger movement? WHo will our contacts be?
(08:37:13 PM) JordanL: yes
(08:37:14 PM) nerfyoda: An existing press release is a good thing to launch a social media blitz from.
(08:37:15 PM) paroxysm: Mhm- how will the regional reps stay in contact?
(08:37:15 PM) JordanL: they will
(08:37:27 PM) whosejongault: Then why are we waiting?
(08:37:30 PM) bigbother: Won't a lot of people be too busy on july 4th?
(08:37:33 PM) Wansyth: That's part of the grassroots movement, building in silence.
(08:37:37 PM) Feed_me_upvotes: i heard we made it in the news
(08:37:37 PM) JordanL: regional reps will all voluntarily commit to having a public email and for some phone number
(08:37:39 PM) ErosAbounds: Reddit seems to be a little difficult to gather info from I.E. I just barely found out about this meeting. Is there going to be a push to publish information (PR training) and others on FB and the Website?
(08:37:43 PM) JordanL: that will be kept in a google doc
(08:37:44 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Jong: website
(08:37:49 PM) JordanL: that will be shared with all media reps
(08:37:53 PM) Brine: I second Eros
(08:37:59 PM) paroxysm: That's fine, Jordan, let me know how I can get that info to you
(08:38:04 PM) JordanL: yes Eros, that's the plan
(08:38:10 PM) ErosAbounds: Okay thanks!
(08:38:13 PM) JordanL: anyone can contact me through email
(08:38:19 PM) JordanL: at jordan.ledoux@gmail.com
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(08:38:30 PM) MouthingOFF: What about RSS feeds?
(08:38:38 PM) JordanL: that's more a webdev question
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(08:38:53 PM) liqudExe_: Ok Time-----------------------------
(08:38:59 PM) snoo_23833: ErosAbounds: I had to look at the comments of the post to get the link to this website, it wasn't on the main announcement message
(08:39:04 PM) whosejongault: What about yt I had a videographer contact me on reddit. I think that's a good idea
(08:39:04 PM) liqudExe_: Next up is R4Info with andthentheskyfell
(08:39:07 PM) JordanL: one thing, before i step down
(08:39:32 PM) JordanL: i appreciate being appreciated, but im not comfortable with the type of respect ive been getting
(08:39:35 PM) JordanL: im just a person
(08:39:37 PM) JordanL: im just here to help
(08:39:43 PM) snoo_23833: Is respect the right word?
(08:39:44 PM) JordanL: i have skills that are helpful
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(08:39:49 PM) JordanL: perhaps not
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(08:39:58 PM) JordanL: but its kind of uncomfortable
(08:40:01 PM) JordanL: and makes me worry
(08:40:02 PM) Brine: That's why you're so endearing. ;)
(08:40:03 PM) mode (+m ) by liqudExe_
(08:40:21 PM) liqudExe_: Ok lets move on to questions for r4info
(08:40:28 PM) mode (-m ) by liqudExe_
(08:40:42 PM) solxyz: what are our next projects
(08:41:06 PM) mode (+v andthentheskyfell) by Yelnoc
(08:41:10 PM) infinites_irc: How about we have a suggestion forum, not just for questions?
(08:41:20 PM) andthentheskyfell: our next projects are going to be whatever needs to be written. we'll probably be working on a lot in the future that we don't know about at the moment
(08:41:29 PM) bigbother: What can people who aren't able to join in the protests do to help?
(08:41:35 PM) solxyz: so nothing needed now?
(08:41:48 PM) andthentheskyfell: bigbrother: you can raise awareness. that's the biggest priority
(08:41:48 PM) AnonnonA: write yout representatives @bigbother
(08:41:50 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Get the social media word out! Big bro
(08:41:56 PM) Expl0siv0: as far as r4info is going i am currently working with people to keep a list compiled of regional protest/social media sites
(08:41:57 PM) AnonnonA: raise awareness
(08:42:00 PM) jonny2112: whats needed right now is stuff happening at the local level. Start orgazing your local rallys
(08:42:02 PM) eskimo: andthentheskyfell: I'd like to see, again, a central repository of links, articles, videos, etc. that people can use to help write info pamphlets and the like
(08:42:05 PM) Expl0siv0: anyone who has input about that can always add in that channel
(08:42:20 PM) eskimo: and I'd recommend github
(08:42:22 PM) astrawnomore: Where can I find posters/propaganda to post all over my university campus?
(08:42:25 PM) andthentheskyfell: again, #r4info for suggestions on materials and stuff.
(08:42:28 PM) Cyan98: People who can't join in for whatever reason can always help with organizing/logistics/outreach and what not.
(08:42:30 PM) andthentheskyfell: meet me there after.
(08:42:31 PM) ErosAbounds: Who has experience with organizing these grassroots movements
(08:42:40 PM) Buffalo: Astra- contact me after the meeting
(08:42:49 PM) noise13: I do
(08:42:56 PM) princessbubblegumm: Organizer here!
(08:43:02 PM) paroxysm: Organizer here.
(08:43:03 PM) mode (+m ) by liqudExe_
(08:43:07 PM) andthentheskyfell: the materials will be made available on the website, once we have everything running smoothly
(08:43:29 PM) liqudExe_: Ok now we have yusiye with legal and fundraising then 3 mintue discussion
(08:43:31 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Which should be by thursday
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(08:43:42 PM) yusiye: thank you
(08:43:45 PM) yusiye: We must start the legal/fundraising matter after the website launch. As for now, we have no legal assistance, EFF/ACLU has not respond to our request. Therefore we must seek our own legal representative. If anyone knows any attorney who is willing to do pro bono work, please contact me.
(08:43:46 PM) yusiye: We may need to setup a 501c(3) to collect donation. But we need legal advice before we do any of these.
(08:43:47 PM) yusiye: We must be very careful on the legal matters. We must take it very serious!
(08:43:48 PM) yusiye: As for donation, we will accept all major payment plus bitcoin. But the problem is we need setup accounts under organization, not personal account. Therefore we need legal advice before proceeding any further on donation.
(08:43:49 PM) yusiye: We need lawyer up ASAP!
(08:44:12 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Lets take a. minute to read first!
(08:44:14 PM) yusiye: I'd like to open up the floor for discussion
(08:44:39 PM) mode (-m ) by liqudExe_
(08:44:43 PM) LiberalTarian: Do you have any idea where to go to get a lawyer?  Can we ask EFF or ACLU for help?
(08:44:50 PM) AnonnonA: what;s the EFF
(08:44:52 PM) AnonnonA: ?
(08:44:55 PM) vArouet-NYC: Called NYCLU this morning--nobody answered.  Will be going to their office tomorrow morning.  I'll spread the word if I get anywhere.
(08:44:57 PM) LiberalTarian: Electronic Freedom Foundation
(08:45:00 PM) yusiye: EFF/ACLU has not respond to our request.
(08:45:01 PM) eskimo: eff.org
(08:45:01 PM) nerfyoda: Someone from the National Lawyers Guild?
(08:45:01 PM) liqudExe_: We have messages out to EFF and ACLU
(08:45:02 PM) plutarch: electronic frontier foundation
(08:45:04 PM) Brine: Electronic Frontier Foundation
(08:45:05 PM) whosejongault: What about lawyer's guild they worked with #ows
(08:45:06 PM) solxyz: i can talk to someone. i know a  good lawyer who might volunteer
(08:45:07 PM) AnonnonA: k
(08:45:08 PM) liqudExe_: it isn't gonna happen in a few hours guys
(08:45:13 PM) ErosAbounds: Father is a former state prosecutor now a government contractor. Will discuss this with him. He is furious about all this crap.
(08:45:17 PM) LiberalTarian: How long ago was the request senf?
(08:45:19 PM) LiberalTarian: sent?
(08:45:22 PM) whosejongault: They're a stingy bunch we may be on our own
(08:45:30 PM) Brine: So basically, the gist is that we can't do anything with donations until we've gotten legal counsel?
(08:45:42 PM) whosejongault: Of course
(08:45:45 PM) AnonnonA: didn't the user "Entrarchy" here yesterday have connections to Ron Paul's lawyers?
(08:45:45 PM) eskimo: Brine: that seems logical
(08:45:46 PM) jonny2112: Brine:yes exactly that
(08:45:47 PM) LiberalTarian: Do we need start up money to retain a lawyer to start?
(08:45:47 PM) veryoriginal78: We probably shouldn't do anything with donations
(08:45:50 PM) paroxysm: That would be the safest course of action
(08:46:00 PM) noise13: agreed
(08:46:05 PM) Expl0siv0: agreed
(08:46:11 PM) veryoriginal78: agreed as well
(08:46:15 PM) paroxysm: nifty!
(08:46:16 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Donations right now go to website and lawyer
(08:46:17 PM) princessbubblegumm: Center for Constitution Rights?  Would that be a good org to contact?
(08:46:18 PM) plutarch: go through ycombinator
(08:46:22 PM) ErosAbounds: Need an email for someone, I can have him contact you or you can contact him. I'll need an email either way for whoever is in charge of donations that Way I can relay information and possibly get that set up.
(08:46:24 PM) eskimo: also agreed. some local movements may need money as insurance in order to get permits to protest
(08:46:33 PM) astrawnomore: Money = commercials, advertisements
(08:46:35 PM) yusiye: but we don't have account to accept donation
(08:46:36 PM) letsgooo: from what i know, donations can go to a central account and there's no problem with that at all.
(08:46:36 PM) eskimo: otherwise, I'm not sure how much money we'll need
(08:46:42 PM) whosejongault: Would it help to get a list of lawyers orgs
(08:46:42 PM) leeroyjenkins: The father of a friend of mine is a retired federal prosecuting attorney. He might have contacts who would be willing to help
(08:46:42 PM) letsgooo: if you keep track of records all finances in and out
(08:46:49 PM) themanwhoisblake: I just wanted to tell everyone I updated the logo http://i.imgur.com/n0ZB03e.png?1
(08:46:49 PM) MouthingOFF: What about that list of liek 86 groups that was posted? could we contact all of them to get their legal teams involved?
(08:46:51 PM) kyril: does the website team need any help?
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(08:47:00 PM) Wansyth: press@restorethefourth.net
(08:47:05 PM) liqudExe_: Ok guys
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(08:47:23 PM) liqudExe_: Next up is Question for buffulo
(08:47:29 PM) mode (-m ) by liqudExe_
(08:47:33 PM) Buffalo: shoot
(08:47:49 PM) LiberalTarian: Is there a specific type of lawyer we need if so what kind?  We could at least start there
(08:48:09 PM) eskimo: seems like there's overlap between PR, info, and marketing. right?
(08:48:10 PM) Buffalo: What are your questions?
(08:48:14 PM) Cyan98: I'm sure someone at the ACLU would be able to provide at least suggestions. Also whoever worked with occupy.
(08:48:20 PM) astrawnomore: what is your role Buffalo?
(08:48:43 PM) mode (+m ) by Yelnoc
(08:48:55 PM) Yelnoc: ok everybody, buffalo is answering questions about marketing
(08:48:58 PM) Yelnoc: taht includes slogans
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(08:49:02 PM) Yelnoc: anything on those topics
(08:49:06 PM) Yelnoc: lawyer discussion is closed for now
(08:49:11 PM) Yelnoc: there will be a free chat at the end of this
(08:49:16 PM) mode (-m ) by Yelnoc
(08:49:33 PM) bigbother: Is there any interest in using this: http://i.imgur.com/1cB7tc8.jpg
(08:49:40 PM) eskimo: essentially I have the same questions as before. we need a central github or some kind of repository for marketing materials
(08:49:47 PM) astrawnomore: Do we plan on making advertisements in printed press as well as television?
(08:49:48 PM) eskimo: and it should be linked to from the website.
(08:49:51 PM) Cleofatra: What would you suggest as the cheapest way to advertise the event?  Besides Facebook
(08:49:56 PM) themanwhoisblake: Have we reached an agreement yet on the Slogan being "Big brother has seen enough"
(08:49:58 PM) ekpyrotic: I like the QR code idea- plastering them everywhere is cheap enough
(08:49:58 PM) letsgooo: making a video
(08:49:58 PM) Brine: Would the goals and such that were brought up earlier fall within Buffalo's purview?
(08:50:00 PM) whosejongault: What hashtag should we use? restorethefourth is popular but restorethe4th is also used
(08:50:04 PM) Buffalo: I like the idea of throwing all files, regardless of use, into a single place.
(08:50:06 PM) QueenVillageGirl: Mktg question - do we have a Press Release drop date, and are we planning simultaneous support events (calling our legislators, twitter campaigns...)
(08:50:18 PM) one_eye_open: @bigbrother: that slogan gives the implication of violence
(08:50:19 PM) nerfyoda: Chicagoans interested in organizing: please head to http://www.reddit.com/r/r4Chicago/ and help out! :)
(08:50:21 PM) solxyz: there was someone on the subreddit volunteering to make a video
(08:50:21 PM) themanwhoisblake: I agree with having a central hub for dumping graphics
(08:50:25 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Astraw: no papers only tv, later on if we have more funds
(08:50:27 PM) letsgooo: aggree with cetnral hub
(08:50:30 PM) Buffalo: The big brother slogan is taking well.
(08:50:31 PM) letsgooo: on the website
(08:50:32 PM) eskimo: So, who's in charge of setting that up?
(08:50:34 PM) AnonnonA: if anyone could find connections to lawyers of one of the 86 groups that would be great
(08:50:35 PM) AnonnonA: Access
(08:50:35 PM) AnonnonA: Advocacy for Principled Action in Government
(08:50:35 PM) AnonnonA: American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression
(08:50:35 PM) AnonnonA: American Civil Liberties Union
(08:50:35 PM) AnonnonA: American Civil Liberties Union of California
(08:50:35 PM) AnonnonA: American Library Association
(08:50:35 PM) AnonnonA: Amicus
(08:50:36 PM) AnonnonA: Association of Research Libraries
(08:50:36 PM) AnonnonA: Bill of Rights Defense Committee
(08:50:37 PM) AnonnonA: BoingBoing
(08:50:37 PM) AnonnonA: Breadpig
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(08:50:39 PM) Fourthe4th: Glue a quarter on the ground and place a sticker with our logo and QR code just above it
(08:50:40 PM) bigbother: Open to editing, of course
(08:50:50 PM) kyril: does anyone actually use QR codes? I don't mind having them, but not sure they're that helpful
(08:50:56 PM) Buffalo: Thats a dick thing to do
(08:51:05 PM) optimal: every cellphone has a barcode scanner
(08:51:10 PM) veryoriginal78: I don't know anyone that does, personally
(08:51:11 PM) eskimo: Ok, who's in charge of organizing the central hub?
(08:51:11 PM) whosejongault: What hashtag should we use? restorethefourth is popular but restorethe4th is also used but no as popular
(08:51:13 PM) optimal: there hasnt been anything good to use them for yet
(08:51:14 PM) eskimo: Buffalo: can you do that?
(08:51:15 PM) veryoriginal78: but some people do i'm sure
(08:51:17 PM) optimal: but they're useful
(08:51:17 PM) ekpyrotic: Every smartphone has a scanner.
(08:51:18 PM) Expl0siv0: yeah but who actually uses them
(08:51:21 PM) Cyan98: I second kyril's concern.
(08:51:21 PM) themanwhoisblake: I am done with one side of the Tri-fold brochue but I am quit unsure about the wording I used. I will make a thread on the subreddit so we can fully discuss it.
(08:51:28 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Jong: either of them
(08:51:34 PM) Buffalo: I will handle the central hub personally, and post it here, and reddit.
(08:51:35 PM) RT4VA: Are we cool with hanging flyers on telephone poles, or is that too close to being trouble makers?
(08:51:46 PM) willrowhood: i think focusing on marketing with hashtags and URLs is a better use of time than distributing QRs
(08:51:47 PM) solxyz: do it
(08:51:48 PM) paroxysm: I'm hanging them on poles.
(08:51:51 PM) Brine: themanwhoisblake make sure to mention something about it in the irc after this, as well
(08:51:52 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Blake: link wheb you do
(08:51:53 PM) mode (+m ) by liqudExe_
(08:52:08 PM) liqudExe_: Ok up next is a discussion on Fundraising.
(08:52:13 PM) mode (-m ) by liqudExe_
(08:52:16 PM) bigbother: Why not all three?
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(08:52:18 PM) kyril: I know you can pretty much glue them on any surface in Seattle, but other cities are different
(08:52:23 PM) eskimo: what do we need funds for?
(08:52:24 PM) leeroyjenkins: what are our targets? where are we?
(08:52:27 PM) astrawnomore: What does our budget structure look like?
(08:52:28 PM) ekpyrotic: Would anyone here somehow be able to get any major figures to tweet the hashtag
(08:52:36 PM) leeroyjenkins: I'll ask my boy Barack
(08:52:42 PM) Expl0siv0: heh
(08:52:42 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Lol
(08:52:44 PM) ekpyrotic: ...
(08:52:45 PM) paroxysm: haha.
(08:52:46 PM) ErosAbounds: #Ricky Gervais
(08:52:57 PM) bigbother: Ricky Gervais indeed!
(08:53:01 PM) bigbother: Rise Against
(08:53:02 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Im wondering if the AP twittet will
(08:53:04 PM) Cepheid1: Do we have fundraiser organizers appointed yet?
(08:53:04 PM) bigbother: Get them involved
(08:53:05 PM) eskimo: Glenn Greenwald would be a good one to bring on board
(08:53:06 PM) ekpyrotic: Im sure Doctorow or someone similar may be interested
(08:53:12 PM) bigbother: Rage Against The Machine
(08:53:14 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Maybe Rand Paul
(08:53:18 PM) bigbother: Political bands
(08:53:24 PM) optimal: system of a down
(08:53:26 PM) Cleofatra: Buffalo- you're going to be gathering all files to one central location correct?  Could we see about getting that stickied on the subreddit side?
(08:53:27 PM) alex98098: Ron Paul
(08:53:35 PM) bigbother: Restore the fourth concert/festival?
(08:53:38 PM) ErosAbounds: #Mittens
(08:53:39 PM) veryoriginal78: Rand Against the Machine
(08:53:42 PM) snoo_43437: Who are the main organizers here?
(08:53:48 PM) MouthingOFF: Alex Jones would *trollface*
(08:53:48 PM) mindfolded: where teh hell is Zach De La Rocha these days
(08:53:52 PM) webbster: nikki minaj
(08:53:53 PM) freeze4096: Perhaps less focus on how to get funds, and more focus on what we actually need funcding FOR.
(08:53:56 PM) kyril: that's off topic, but we should probably discuss a concert at some point
(08:54:00 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: Nooooo webbster
(08:54:04 PM) solxyz: freeze: agreed
(08:54:09 PM) Cepheid1: Can we save this for questions only please? Restate: Have we appointed fundraiser organizers?
(08:54:09 PM) astrawnomore: I still would like to know what we need funds for
(08:54:12 PM) eskimo: freeze4096: agreed. I think we may need funds for insurance for permits
(08:54:12 PM) webbster: ;)
(08:54:13 PM) optimal: kyril thats a great idea imo
(08:54:13 PM) yogurtnyc: we need fudnign for printing materials, materials to make signs
(08:54:14 PM) yogurtnyc: food
(08:54:14 PM) veryoriginal78: I agree with Freeze
(08:54:15 PM) willrowhood: we should still make an effort to avoid directly endorsing any politician or institution
(08:54:17 PM) optimal: music always brings people together
(08:54:17 PM) liqudExe_ has changed the topic to: http://piratepad.net/6XlrhMEcJF  Press Release  || http://www.reddit.com/r/rtforganizers/ for local efforts | No advocating for, nor calling for violence.
(08:54:17 PM) solxyz: we should avoid money as much as possible
(08:54:20 PM) optimal: that and food ^^
(08:54:21 PM) eskimo: besides that, stuff is relatively cheap
(08:54:23 PM) yogurtnyc: Insurance and permits
(08:54:24 PM) whosejongault: How can we drum up more money for the nyt ad
(08:54:28 PM) yogurtnyc: Bail money
(08:54:29 PM) liqudExe_: ok free discussion
(08:54:32 PM) freeze4096: I imagine signs/printing will not be funded.
(08:54:33 PM) RT4VA: Printing expenses, in some cases
(08:54:35 PM) MouthingOFF: Wouldn't these organizations be willing to offer legal help? I mean we're on the list with them... Wouldn't that be the easiest place to start? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/86-civil-liberties-groups-and-internet-companies-demand-end-nsa-spying
(08:54:35 PM) veryoriginal78: lol yogurt
(08:54:35 PM) BlackPhoenixGeneral: CONCERT TSLK AT #r4marketing LATER
(08:54:37 PM) freeze4096: That is a volunteer effort.
(08:54:40 PM) RT4VA: I stand correcte
(08:54:48 PM) keepdigging: https://twitter.com/Falkvinge might be willing to tweet our hastag, don't know him though
(08:54:55 PM) solxyz: these things should be done at local level
(08:55:00 PM) noise13: agrred
(08:55:03 PM) bigbother: You've all heard of Rise Against, yeah? They'd definitely be interested.
(08:55:03 PM) noise13: sgreed*
(08:55:03 PM) veryoriginal78: This is going to get hectic if we don't keep discussion set for one topic at a time.
(08:55:04 PM) ekpyrotic: How about the wealthy libertarian guy who co-founded Paypal?
(08:55:05 PM) bigbother: 100%
(08:55:06 PM) noise13: forget it
(08:55:08 PM) whosejongault: Does that conclude the meeting
(08:55:15 PM) themanwhoisblake: http://www.reddit.com/r/restorethefourth/comments/1g5wfa/i_am_working_on_a_trifold_brochure_and_could_use/
(08:55:16 PM) RT4VA: So then it would be funding for the website and legal fees?
(08:55:17 PM) mode (+m ) by liqudExe_
(08:55:28 PM) Wansyth: If you have an interest in joining the twitter army please join #r4marketing !
(08:55:30 PM) mode (+v Expl0siv0) by Yelnoc
(08:55:41 PM) Yelnoc: Expl0siv0 has one thing to share before we end
(08:55:41 PM) liqudExe_: Ok last up is Expolsiv for some parting words
(08:55:57 PM) Expl0siv0: uh just something real quick sorry
(08:56:05 PM) Expl0siv0: im going to provide two links. its a spreadsheet
(08:56:17 PM) Expl0siv0: will contain details on regional protests and their social media prescence
(08:56:19 PM) Expl0siv0: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoPAbnrq_pqgdDNfcHRpRDBWa05RNUd3d1lodDI2Unc#gid=0
(08:56:22 PM) Expl0siv0: if that doesnt work for you
(08:56:37 PM) Expl0siv0: http://collabedit.com/53aqk
(08:56:41 PM) Expl0siv0: and if neither work. pm me.
(08:56:49 PM) Expl0siv0: ill be updating this all night too
(08:56:53 PM) Expl0siv0: thats all :)
(08:56:56 PM) ekpyrotic left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client).
(08:57:13 PM) liqudExe_: Ok thanks everyone for comming out. Feel free to keep the discussion going.
(08:57:19 PM) mode (-m ) by liqudExe_