Tripfags annoy whereas anons creates 'context'

(16:09:13) ‹+Kyoubro› Yes, we do, unless we want to ignore them and let them shitpost.

(16:09:42) ‹+Bloom› thats what mods are for

(16:10:07) ‹+Bloom› at least, thats my stance until i see moot specifically mention that he's ok with janitors using mass deletion tools

(16:10:11) ‹+fsdfdsf› the thing about doing the /b/ thing in /a/, everyone will know Komeiji and the people who can't stand him won't be able to filter him. And there's a few others the board knows really well too.

(16:10:12) ‹+Bloom› even then i probably still wont use it

(16:10:15) ‹+Bloom› high risk low reward

(16:10:51) ‹+Bloom› IDs are thread specific

(16:11:05) ‹+fsdfdsf› posting styles aren't

(16:11:06) ‹+Bloom› they're only for recognizing samefag basically

(16:11:10) ‹+fsdfdsf› and it's the posting styles they know

(16:11:13) ‹+Kyoubro› ID and forced anon are REALLY stupid for any remotely acceptable board.

(16:11:39) ‹+Bloom› i wouldnt say "really stupid"

(16:11:42) ‹+Bloom› unneccesary maybe

(16:12:00) ‹+Kyoubro› No, it's actively harmful.

(16:12:08) ‹+Azatsu› I agree but at least forced anon would make sense on /jp/ since most jp language imageboards use forced anon and id

(16:12:14) ‹+AoC› way I see it it's like DRM

(16:12:22) ‹+Azatsu› but still it would end up causing more harm

(16:12:24) ‹+Azatsu› or maybe not

(16:12:28) ‹+AoC› it only stops the casual samefag troll

(16:12:35) ‹+AoC› the dedicated ones will get around it

(16:12:40) ‹+Kyoubro› ^

(16:12:46) ‹+Kyoubro› And it hurts legit posters.

(16:12:47) ‹+Bloom› oh i didnt see you say ID

(16:12:52) ‹+Bloom› i thought you just meant forced anon

(16:12:56) ‹+nikka› make /trifaggotry/ an gas all tripfags there

(16:13:00) ‹+Kyoubro› Forced anon is pretty silly as well.

(16:13:07) ‹+Bloom› im a big fan of forced anon

(16:13:15) ‹+Azatsu› I like forced anon a lot too

(16:13:15) ‹+fsdfdsf› You can force anon with 4chan X if you really want to right now

(16:13:22) ‹+andonuts› Trips have thier place, though.

(16:13:26) ‹+Bloom› i know its not perfect, and there are many legitimate uses for trips

(16:13:30) ‹+andonuts› Almost no one uses them in that capacity, though.

(16:13:34) ‹+Kyoubro› I post anonymously almost all the time, but there are times where a tripcode is really handy and I'm glad I can use it.

(16:13:34) ‹+Bloom› but so many people abuse it

(16:13:59) ‹+fsdfdsf› My trip has come in handy a few times as well

(16:14:05) ‹+duanemoody› i post trips when i'm storytiming on /co/

(16:14:09) ‹+Kyoubro› The thing is, anonymous posters are even more of a problem because you can't place sanctions against them.

(16:14:29) ‹+Bloom› i never post with a trip even when i should lol

(16:14:40) ‹+Azatsu› anonymous posters are not a problem

(16:14:45) ‹+Azatsu› because this site is meant to be anonymous

(16:14:50) ‹+Azatsu› If anything tripcodes are the problem

(16:15:00) ‹+Bloom› anonymous posters are far more easily ignored by the userbase

(16:15:01) ‹+Kyoubro› The worst problem posters are anonymous.

(16:15:11) ‹+duanemoody› if /co/ went forced anon, roasted bread would leave

(16:15:18) ‹+duanemoody› i think

(16:15:38) ‹+AoC› tripcodes are a tool. A bad poster will remain bad as anonymous, it's just easier to track and notice with a huge "HEY GUYS, LOOK AT ME" flag

(16:15:56) ‹+Azatsu› a tripcode using attention whore is worse than a shitposting anonymous user

(16:16:00) ‹+Azatsu› in my opinion

(16:16:07) ‹+duanemoody› i wouldn't mind some IPs seeing a board that looked like it was forced anon

(16:16:14) ‹+duanemoody› and not telling them what's happening

(16:16:27) ‹+fsdfdsf› while tripfags get the most attention because their posts are easily followed, the worst anons get away with being really bad because they blend in with everyone else.

(16:16:28) ‹+Kyoubro› Shitposting tripfags are easy to spot and exile. Shitposting anons bring down the quality of the whole board.

(16:16:29) ‹+duanemoody› granted it wouldn't last

(16:16:49) ‹+Bloom› the worst anons get away with being really bad because they blend in with everyone else.

(16:16:55) ‹+Bloom› blending in means they have less of a negative impact

(16:17:00) ‹+Kyoubro› No, it doesn't.

(16:17:04) ‹+fsdfdsf› No

(16:17:14) ‹+duanemoody› the worst posters are shitposters regardless of their name/trip status

(16:17:18) ‹+fsdfdsf› I've seen some really bad anon posters destory threads worse than tripfags

(16:17:22) ‹+duanemoody› ^

(16:17:27) ‹+Bloom› attention whoring tripfags shitpost AND attract shitposters to them

(16:17:36) ‹+Kyoubro› It creates the illusion of the negative impact being a development of the board culture rather than the imposition of a single individual.

(16:17:36) ‹+Bloom› shitposting anons shitpost, and most of the time get ignored

(16:17:51) ‹+AoC› tripfags looking to make a name for themselves and establish a friend circle are the worst

(16:17:56) ‹+duanemoody› listen, when i'm dealing with sexism threads, the worst posters are the ones going anon

(16:17:59) ‹+AoC› I blame Taiga and Lanced Jack

(16:18:03) ‹+duanemoody› tripfags want to be popular

(16:18:10) ‹+Azatsu› Kyoubro that's the bad part about having an anonymous board and this has always happened on any kind of anonymous bb

(16:18:36) ‹+duanemoody› as moot put it, anonymous gives you the right to be wrong in public

(16:18:36) ‹+Azatsu› anonymous shitposting or being retards is something that can be ignored, but not shitposting attention whores can end up very bad

(16:19:01) ‹+duanemoody› attention whoring != derailing a thread into hate

(16:19:02) ‹+Azatsu› For me tripcodes should be used as a tool when it's necessary for people to know who you are to continue the conversation

(16:19:03) ‹+fsdfdsf› duanemoody is right

(16:19:06) ‹+duanemoody› don't conflate the two

(16:19:13) ‹+fsdfdsf› when you put on a trip you have to be real careful of what you say

(16:19:20) ‹+duanemoody› attention whoring is annoying as fuck

(16:19:23) ‹+Kyoubro› The thing is, it CAN'T be ignored. You can not reply, but it ends up lowering the quality of the whole board.

(16:19:29) ‹+duanemoody› anon hatefests encourage hiveminds

(16:19:34) ‹+duanemoody› or worse promote the illusion

(16:19:37) ‹+Kyoubro› pr0x, that's only if you're conscientious.

(16:19:42) ‹+Azatsu› tripcode users bring worse damage to the board

(16:19:43) ‹+Kyoubro› duane's right.

(16:19:44) ‹+AoC› Take the Toady the BRo thing for example

(16:19:48) ‹+AoC› no matter what they post

(16:19:48) ‹+duanemoody› no azatsu

(16:20:02) ‹+AoC› I end up having to delete half a thread of cum and bestiality

(16:20:03) ‹+Bloom› part of the problem with tripcodes is their perception as well. If someone sees a new trip user they will 9/10 times immediately assume they are an attention whore/shitposter

(16:20:03) ‹+duanemoody› tripfags on /co/ are annoying attention whores, they do not ruin the board

(16:20:11) ‹+Azatsu› well on /a/ they have ruiend the board multiple times

(16:20:17) ‹+Bloom› its very difficult to make people like you when using a persistent trip

(16:20:29) ‹+duanemoody› fine but don't assume /co/ or /a/ is 4chan in general

(16:20:37) ‹+Azatsu› I should have specified

(16:20:38) ‹+Kyoubro› The damage done to /a/ by tripfags is temporary. The damage done by anons is much more subtle, but much longer-term.

(16:20:52) ‹+duanemoody› kyoubro is right here

(16:21:03) ‹+duanemoody› the change in tone towards intolerance on /co/ is entirely anon

(16:21:07) ‹+Kyoubro› A tripfag shits up the board for a few days or derails a thread.

(16:21:12) ‹+Azatsu› but when one single tripfag can burn a thread just by posting in it, there's a big problem

(16:21:21) ‹+duanemoody› delete thread

(16:21:25) ‹+duanemoody› new thread

(16:21:31) ‹+duanemoody› not permanent board damage

(16:21:32) ‹+fsdfdsf› i agree too, if taiga and lance jack were as bad as I hear and taiga still posts without derailing whole threads that menas people forget or move on

(16:21:32) ‹+duanemoody› sorry

(16:21:36) ‹+Kyoubro› An anon creates what duane pointed out, and what I'll call "false consensus".

(16:21:42) ‹+duanemoody› exactly

(16:21:43) ‹+Azatsu› Taiga still posts but everyone forgot about her

(16:21:46) ‹+Azatsu› or are too new to remember her

(16:21:52) ‹+Kyoubro› When one person posts their one opinion enough as an anon, it turns into a false consensus.

(16:21:55) ‹+Bloom› that would be great if we could somehow tell an OP that his thread wasn't deleted because of anything he did wrong and that he is free to remake it

(16:22:04) ‹+Azatsu› that could be eliminated with IDs

(16:22:08) ‹+Kyoubro› A vocal minority creating the illusion that they're the majority.

(16:22:16) ‹+duanemoody› i'm fine with IDs

(16:22:17) ‹+Kyoubro› It could be, but not without a lot of other harm being done.

(16:22:22) ‹+AoC› ugh, the vocal minority

(16:22:26) ‹+Bloom› i think its an insult to the intelligence of the userbase to assume they couldnt recognize one person trying to force "board culture" as anon

(16:22:26) ‹+duanemoody› i know people will shit a brick

(16:22:36) ‹+Kyoubro› But Bloom, it's already happened.

(16:22:39) ‹+duanemoody› i wish you were right bloom

(16:22:41) ‹+duanemoody› you're not

(16:22:42) ‹+AoC› if you follow the loudest threads, everyone hates any form of moderation in /jp/

(16:22:47) ‹+AoC› when most are apathetic at best

(16:22:53) ‹+duanemoody› no one gives a fuck what /jp/ wants

(16:23:03) ‹+AoC› ;_;

(16:23:04) ‹+Azatsu› that's not the point of his example

(16:23:06) ‹+duanemoody› ok

(16:23:19) ‹+duanemoody› don't use them as an example of people

(16:23:20) ‹+fsdfdsf› Kinda like what's happening with Horizon right now AoC

(16:23:41) ‹+AoC› I thought it was preCure getting the minority backlash

(16:23:53) ‹+fsdfdsf› precure does

(16:23:54) ‹+Azatsu› But it is a fact that many times anonymous make boards look like that they share a specific opinion about something when there are few peopel screaming about it and samefagging

(16:24:16) ‹+Kyoubro› Precure's getting backlash as well as FRONTlash.

(16:24:21) ‹+Kyoubro› The shitposters targeted THEM first.

(16:24:37) ‹+Bloom› while we're having such active discussion i'd like to point out there is a thread on /j/ for /v/ related janitor discussion/tips etc.. https://sys.4chan.org/j/res/1780

(16:24:58) ‹+Azatsu› it was just a small circlejerk at first

(16:25:10) ‹+Azatsu› But now there are 2 possible things that are happening

(16:25:14) ‹+AoC› Appreciate the push for it Bloom, but I'm waiting for the reorientation

(16:25:21) ‹+AoC› in case I end up giving bad advice

(16:25:42) ‹+Azatsu› either a minority of anons are trying to make /pc/ look like the main source of the shit plaguing upon /a/ recently

(16:25:49) ‹+Bloom› i didnt actually post any advice in it, just pointed out some trends on /v/ as of late

(16:25:53) ‹+Azatsu› Or the shitposters themselves are trying to bring attention to /pc/

(16:25:59) ‹+duanemoody› /pc/?

(16:26:02) ‹+Azatsu› I believe the latter

(16:26:03) ‹+Bloom› i even said i dont know what the official stance on the gurrll gamer and anti feminism threads are

(16:26:09) ‹+Azatsu› /pc/ - precure

(16:26:11) ‹+fsdfdsf› means precure duanemoody

(16:26:18) ‹+Azatsu› daily general threads about an aniem called precure

(16:26:22) ‹+Azatsu› that's currently airing

(16:26:29) ‹+Bloom› >a couple people dont like something relevant to the board

(16:26:31) ‹+Azatsu› shitposting general and ghost shitposting too

(16:26:34) ‹+duanemoody› i have a friend who watches it

(16:26:41) ‹+Bloom› >they whine louder and louder until said thing is quarantined in its own board

(16:26:41) ‹+duanemoody› i couldn't choke down more than one ep

(16:26:49) ‹+Kyoubro› It's both. There are some REALLY bad posters in the Precure threads, and they're leaking out, but it's not an issue with Precure itself.

(16:26:52) ‹+duanemoody› god fucking damn it i hate that

(16:26:57) ‹+duanemoody› mlp solved nothing