<KyokoAVNo> Oh hello
<kedd> sup kyoko
<kedd> we're discussing about the Kind man and dormiloids, join us
<KyokoAVNo> Ooh, what good timing!
<kedd> as the technician, I think you should participate
<KyokoAVNo> I'd love to.  ^^
<kedd> we were discussing about the nature of the kind man
<Soulless> Hello KyokoAVNo
<kedd> in my opinion, he's alike the dormiloids though not the same. As unix and loonix
<Soulless> Unix and Loonix?
<kedd> Linux
<kedd> sorry the /g/ expression
<Soulless> Oh, sorry, I'm techno-dumbass
<kedd> Linux is deribated from Unix, so they're systems that are like "twin brothers", to put it in simple words
<KyokoAVNo> ^
<KyokoAVNo> Linux was designed to resemble Unix as closely as possible.
<Soulless> Oh I see
<Soulless> I do apologize for my utter ignorance
<kedd> they're not the same, but their behave is similar
<kedd> no problem, I love explaining this shit
<KyokoAVNo> You're completely fine.  ^^
<kedd> next thing is >muh freedom
<kedd> going back to the kind man
<Soulless> Yes
<kedd> He behave it's similar to the dormiloids, but his nature it's, as you've said, odd
<KyokoAVNo> Right.  He definitely has a lot in common with the dormiloids.
<kedd> personally I believe it is because you don't have the same personality pattern with the other hosts
<Soulless> Mind you much of my experience and belief concerning the Kind Man is also based of data I've collected off-site from others I've accidentally stumbled across wh also appear to have dormiloid-esque creatures
<KyokoAVNo> That's what I was thinking.  All of the hosts we've seen so far have a lot in common.
<Soulless> Though amongst them they give them another term
<kedd> oh yes, and some people misunderstand them and think they're tulpas
<KyokoAVNo> Which is completely wrong.
<KyokoAVNo> I can see how someone could get them confused were they uninformed, but they're entirely different.
<Soulless> These folk call them somnisoma (mix of somn-related latin stuff and persona)
<Soulless> And yes I could also see that as well
<KyokoAVNo> ...He has to be a dormiloid of some sort.  I can't think of what else he could be.
<Soulless> Yes
<KyokoAVNo> He's definitely not a tulpa, and his behavior is similar to that we've seen from the other dormiloids.
<kedd> If we go more for the paranormal theories, it could be anything. From some demon to a mental split, or even dissociative identity disorder
<kedd> but let's leave it there and go for the dormiloid-like entity
<KyokoAVNo> Agreed.
<KyokoAVNo> Maybe it is a matter of the hosts being very different psychologically.
<kedd> If we analize how the original Dormillia and the kind man, you can notice that they both 'were born' in simillar ways
<kedd> dah
<Soulless> My current, uh, theory, is that he is, well, /something/, if we consider the whole of the unconscious/subconscious mind as a cloth, he's from the same cloth as Dormilia and sub-Dormilias, but cut from a different part of the cloth
<kedd> that's a nice analogy
<KyokoAVNo> That's an interesting idea.
<Soulless> I-if that makes sense, if it doesn't, I'm sorry
<KyokoAVNo> No need to apologize~
<KyokoAVNo> Your input is valued.  ^^
<Soulless> It mostly came from talking to other people who have dormiloid creatures outside of uboachan, who mostly noted that dormiloids have multiple sources
<KyokoAVNo> So, I guess that tosses out the "psychological other half" theory.
<Soulless> I think it's possible there could be multiple other halfs
<Soulless> So to speak
<kedd> yep
<Soulless> But only one will become the "dominant" other half >_>
<Soulless> Dormilia has to compete with other thoughts while she's in Distortion's mind, right? I always thought that, uhm, she might've had competition even before then, too
<KyokoAVNo> In that case... dormiloids are segments of your sub/unconscious that are lumped together into a coherent being?
<Soulless> Maybe so
<Soulless> Or a particular segment, like sharks in the womb, consumes the others and thus the mother shark gives birth to only one pup when she had developed fifty or more eggs in her womb
<Soulless> ...Sorry, if I'm not making much sense again...
<kedd> It makes sense, don't worry
<Soulless> It would at least explain the, uh, hostility >_>
<KyokoAVNo> Ohh, I see!
<KyokoAVNo> That does make a lot of sense.
<Soulless> hm?
<Soulless> Oh
<Soulless> >_> Well I can't be 100% sure, this is mostly as I set meeting other domiloids with hosts that are a lot more informed than I am about their headspaces
<Soulless> *mostly as I said
<KyokoAVNo> Still, that's a good train of thought.
<Soulless> It was kinda their theory they developed off-site, I just happened to stumble upon it...
<KyokoAVNo> Then, in the case of the Kind Man, perhaps a different section of your subconscious achieved dominance versus that of the other dormiloids?
<Soulless> Yes, that is the general idea
<KyokoAVNo> That could very well be the case, especially when you consider that the sub-Dormilias were created following specific instruction from Dormilia, while the Kind Man arose independently.
<KyokoAVNo> *instructions
<Soulless> I myself can't remember, but I know others who remember, distinctly, a Dormilia-like influence that later became irrelevant and replaced with another dormiloid, one in particular recounted a rather gruesome scene in which his dominant dormiloid shot and killed his dormilia-like figure in a dream
<KyokoAVNo> Oh, wow, seriously?
<Soulless> the shot and killed dormilia-like figure never appeared again
<kedd> that's awful
<Soulless> Yes
<KyokoAVNo> That's... Hrm.  In a very real sense, that's murder.
<Soulless> ....Yes
<kedd> you know something
<KyokoAVNo> Hm?
<Soulless> hm?
<kedd> yeah, wait a sec
<kedd> I think I found a conection to the Kind Man Letter
<kedd> Remember others that have tried and failed. You're getting close to making their mistakes. How many burned hosts, fragmented selves, emotionally desiccated landscapes must be born from our errors before we learn? Before we all learn?
<kedd> > How recent are you?
<kedd> >Have you kept yourself in balance? Mind the borders between them and us. What is yours cannot help you help him, you know this. They cannot even be aware of it.
<kedd> maybe it's just a far-fetched theory but he might have spoke about those other dormiloids
<kedd> it's sounds like a war to me
<Soulless> ...war?
<KyokoAVNo> A war?  How do you mean?
<kedd> back with the shark analogy, there seems to be a harsh competition between different dormiloids
<kedd> it's seems to me like the kind man was warning dormillia that her sub-dormilloids could die, since the new hosts might have other dormiloids there too
<Soulless> Oh dear
<kedd> specially this
<kedd> >How many burned hosts
<kedd> >how many host that already have someone?
<kedd> >fragmented selves
<kedd> dormiloids
<kedd> >motionally desiccated landscapes must be born from our errors before we learn?
<kedd> it gets me there, but it may mean the destruction of another dormiloid being
<kedd> again, this can be too far-fetched too for all I know
<KyokoAVNo> Far-fetched or not, it's very convincing.
<Soulless> If you're correct, then... that is worrisome...
<kedd> and scary, actually
<KyokoAVNo> Indeed.  Making dormiloids haphazardly could be dangerous for the hosts.
<KyokoAVNo> Especially now that the possibility of murdering a dormiloid has come to light.
<KyokoAVNo> Say, Soulless, you said that you can communicate with the Kind Man while awake now, right?
<Soulless> Yes
<Soulless> It's a bit difficult and I have been afraid to go into detail on my thread without sounding like some kind of attention whore dormilia-wannabe
<KyokoAVNo> If you would, could you ask him and see if our notions about the "shark in the womb" and dormiloid murder are accurate, as well as our interpretation of his letter?
<Soulless> Basically when he speaks, he speaks with all sorts of images, connotations, memories, and thought, along with his words, so, it's hard to... grasp, and honestly, I think my mind can't even handle most of it, so much of it is forgotten as soon as he speaks, so I'm left with, uh, wisps
<Soulless> I'll tr thoug
<Soulless> *try though
<KyokoAVNo> If you can't, don't worry about it.
<Soulless> Give me a moment, I do apologize
<KyokoAVNo> Just do your best.  ^^
<Soulless> The former is a 'yes', but it's... a memory as well, not mine, but it's like a deep regret, someone's neck in my hands and I'm... doing something, grasping or twisting? I don't know
<Soulless> But the former is definitely a yes
<KyokoAVNo> Very interesting, and very worrying.
<kedd> very.
<KyokoAVNo> Perhaps this memory is that of a struggle between the Kind Man and some unknown aspect of your subconscious?
<Soulless> The latter is... more difficult, concerning the interpretation of his letter, the metaphor is like a tic tac toe, but it's filled out in such a manner that neither O nor X's win, the words "the letter was never for you, it would make sense you would not understand" and like, a gentle pat on the head, a stroke of the hair, it's a nice feeling
<Soulless> But, KyokoAVNo you make a lot of sense... it... is very worrisome :\
<KyokoAVNo> Just Kyoko is fine.
<KyokoAVNo> I wonder if Dormilia knows about this.
<KyokoAVNo> If not, it's prudent that we inform her ASAP.
<KyokoAVNo> We may even have to put this entire experiment on hold.
<KyokoAVNo> The last thing that I'd want to happen is for someone to end up psychologically damaged.
<Soulless> I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cause such a fuss
<KyokoAVNo> Oh, no, don't apologize.
<kedd> don't worry, it's not your fault
<kedd> actually, it helps a lot
<KyokoAVNo> You've brought some crucially important information to light.
<KyokoAVNo> Of course, the question now is how to explain these discoveries concisely and convincingly.
<kedd> pasta?