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  1. [01:37:08] joyindescribable [~slashwhoi@pee.on.ayn.rand] has joined #SRS
  2. [01:37:27] <joyindescribable> somebody please tell me this is an elaborate troll/joke: http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSHome/comments/whjp5/srs_meetup_planning_thread/
  3. [01:37:38] <&dworks> no joy
  4. [01:37:54] <joyindescribable> jesus fucking christ
  5. [01:37:54] <&dworks> if you dont want to come, you dont have to
  6. [01:38:02] <&dworks> dont piddle on our parade
  7. [01:38:03] <Erika_Mustermann> :|
  8. [01:38:05] <&dworks> no ones going to shoot us
  9. [01:38:06] <joyindescribable> don't you even condescend to me like that
  10. [01:38:13] <joyindescribable> YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME OF CHANCE WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES AND SAFETY
  11. [01:38:15] <Erika_Mustermann> http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSHome/comments/whjp5/srs_meetup_planning_thread/c5dd7hp
  12. [01:38:18] <&dworks> oh jesus
  13. [01:38:18] <Erika_Mustermann> Joy makes a valid point
  14. [01:38:22] <joyindescribable> I AM GLAD YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO BELIEVE THAT THE REDDITOR'S ARE JUST KIDDING/JOKING
  15. [01:38:24] imperfect [~j@magic.sky.fairy] has joined #SRS
  16. [01:38:26] <joyindescribable> AND 95% OF THEM ARE
  17. [01:38:28] <joyindescribable> BUT HOLY FUCKING SHIT
  18. [01:38:36] <joyindescribable> PEOPLE LIKE THE MRAs ARE DANGEROUS
  19. [01:38:49] Strato [~Strato@REDACTED] has quit IRC: Quit:
  20. [01:38:50] <joyindescribable> how the fuck was this sanctioned
  21. [01:38:51] <imperfect> ows is pathetic, lol http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/wg2qm/the_biggest_video_game_franchise_in_the_world/
  22. [01:38:52] atomicthumbs [~atomicthu@REDACTED] has quit IRC: No route to host
  23. [01:38:56] <misandrybot> Title: The biggest video game franchise in the world (Call of Duty) is using Anonymous and "the leader of the 99%" as their primary villain in their newest game. I'm not sure we should be okay with this. : occupywallstreet (at www.reddit.com)
  24. [01:39:02] <Erika_Mustermann> Even if they don't shoot you, all it takes is for some shithead to put on a affable charm and do some social networking to get all the info they need
  25. [01:39:03] <imperfect> please don't take away my vidya games *cryingpenis*
  26. [01:39:18] <GALBARGE> http://chainsawsuit.com/2009/08/07/strip-262/
  27. [01:39:18] <Erika_Mustermann> That's exactly how those individuals work
  28. [01:39:19] <misandrybot> Title: chainsawsuit by kris straub - strip (at chainsawsuit.com)
  29. [01:39:24] <Erika_Mustermann> Then there's a mass dox
  30. [01:39:32] <&dworks> u dont want to come, then dont
  31. [01:39:34] <joyindescribable> this is fucking absurd
  32. [01:39:38] <joyindescribable> you are going to get someone FUCKING HURT
  33. [01:39:53] <Erika_Mustermann> That's not a rebuttle to joy's points in that thread
  34. [01:39:59] <joyindescribable> triggered as fuck is what i needed tonight.
  35. [01:40:00] <Erika_Mustermann> "don't come" doesn't protect people
  36. [01:40:03] <joyindescribable> god almighty how can you be this privileged
  37. [01:40:06] <joyindescribable> check
  38. [01:40:06] <joyindescribable> your
  39. [01:40:08] <joyindescribable> privilege
  40. [01:40:12] <&dworks> holy
  41. [01:40:13] <&dworks> shit
  42. [01:40:13] <joyindescribable> not everybody knows self-defense
  43. [01:40:13] GabeNewelle [Mibbit@Dragonbjorn.com] has joined #SRS
  44. [01:40:19] <joyindescribable> not everybody knows how to avoid being followed
  45. [01:40:22] joyindescribable [~slashwhoi@pee.on.ayn.rand] has been kicked from #SRS by dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile]: dworks
  46. [01:40:22] joyindescribable [~slashwhoi@pee.on.ayn.rand] has joined #SRS
  47. [01:40:25] <joyindescribable> not everybody knows better than to share personal information
  48. [01:40:43] <joyindescribable> [trigger warning] not everybody can fight off a grown man
  49. [01:40:54] <Erika_Mustermann> These are valid concerns...
  50. [01:41:08] <joyindescribable> and the privileged fuckers are going to ignore them
  51. [01:41:10] <Erika_Mustermann> It should be discussed if we're concerned about safetey
  52. [01:41:13] <joyindescribable> LOL I'M NOT IN DANGER SO I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM
  53. [01:41:16] <joyindescribable> god
  54. [01:41:17] <GALBARGE> also can someone who lives in chicago vouch for it being a safe city to do this in
  55. [01:41:23] andrazid [razi@lesbian.death.squadron] has joined #SRS
  56. [01:41:23] Angel [angel@botserv.synirc.net] has set mode +o andrazid
  57. [01:41:27] <Erika_Mustermann> city location doesn't matter
  58. [01:41:32] <GALBARGE> true
  59. [01:41:39] <joyindescribable> somebody is going to get fucking hurt from this
  60. [01:41:40] strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms] has been kicked from #SRS by andrazid [razi@lesbian.death.squadron]: BEDTIME RITUAL
  61. [01:41:40] strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms] has joined #SRS
  62. [01:41:40] Angel [angel@botserv.synirc.net] has set mode +o strudelle
  63. [01:41:51] <Erika_Mustermann> There are asshole SAWSCMS in every state
  64. [01:42:01] dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile] has set mode +b *!*@pee.on.ayn.rand
  65. [01:42:01] joyindescribable [~slashwhoi@pee.on.ayn.rand] has been kicked from #SRS by dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile]: dworks
  66. [01:42:12] <GALBARGE> true but there is a difference between city environments
  67. [01:42:12] <Erika_Mustermann> You banned her for bmaking a point?
  68. [01:42:15] <Erika_Mustermann> Seriously?
  69. [01:42:23] <Erika_Mustermann> Because she's concerned?
  70. [01:42:29] <%Odahviing> woooooow
  71. [01:42:29] <@Samaelle> that;s not making a point
  72. [01:42:29] MrMenagerie [~ZachH@Balls.Balls.Balls] has left #SRS
  73. [01:42:32] <Erika_Mustermann> You didn't address anything she said.
  74. [01:42:33] <%Odahviing> lmfao
  75. [01:42:37] <Erika_Mustermann> Samaelle: http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSHome/comments/whjp5/srs_meetup_planning_thread/c5dd7hp
  76. [01:42:37] <@Samaelle> that's making unfounded accusations
  77. [01:42:37] andrazid [razi@lesbian.death.squadron] is now known as razzzzzz
  78. [01:42:46] <Erika_Mustermann> Read that link please
  79. [01:42:51] <Erika_Mustermann> Tell me it's not a valid concern
  80. [01:43:07] <@Samaelle> Dworks takes the full brunt of reddit abuse
  81. [01:43:09] <%Odahviing> unfounded accusatiosn when multiple SRSisters have been doxxed and having an entire meeting based around it is asking for social engineering
  82. [01:43:12] <Erika_Mustermann> We don't have to worry about anyone attacking feminists that are gathering together?
  83. [01:43:13] <@Samaelle> of the entire mod team
  84. [01:43:18] <Erika_Mustermann> Is that what you're saying?
  85. [01:43:24] <@Samaelle> she is not "privildged
  86. [01:43:27] <Erika_Mustermann> We don't have to worry about anyone attacking feminists that are gathering together?
  87. [01:43:29] <Erika_Mustermann> Is that what you're saying?
  88. [01:43:31] <@Samaelle> she's been doxxed
  89. [01:43:49] <@Samaelle> personally attacking her like that is out of like and unwarranted
  90. [01:43:54] <@Samaelle> *line
  91. [01:43:57] <@Samaelle> even
  92. [01:43:58] <Erika_Mustermann> It wasn't a personal attack
  93. [01:44:00] <@Samaelle> um
  94. [01:44:03] <Erika_Mustermann> We don't have to worry about anyone attacking feminists that are gathering together?
  95. [01:44:04] <Erika_Mustermann> Is that what you're saying?
  96. [01:44:10] <Erika_Mustermann> Can you answer that
  97. [01:44:10] <%Odahviing> it's personally attacking to point out it's a security risk
  98. [01:44:24] <Erika_Mustermann> It keeps getting hand waived away
  99. [01:44:29] <@Samaelle> "check your privilege" is personal when directed at dworks specifically
  100. [01:44:41] <@Samaelle> how is it even a risk right now?
  101. [01:44:47] <Erika_Mustermann> http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSHome/comments/whjp5/srs_meetup_planning_thread/c5dd7hp
  102. [01:44:48] <Erika_Mustermann> Read that
  103. [01:44:49] <@Samaelle> no details have been given
  104. [01:44:51] <@Samaelle> not even a date
  105. [01:44:57] <@Samaelle> or a location other than chicago
  106. [01:44:59] <@Samaelle> maybe
  107. [01:45:12] <diddlebot> Why aren't they allowed to air their concern?
  108. [01:45:13] <Erika_Mustermann> :|
  109. [01:45:17] <Erika_Mustermann> ^^^
  110. [01:45:30] <&dworks> screaming at me is not airing your concern
  111. [01:45:38] <Erika_Mustermann> She airs her concerns here http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSHome/comments/whjp5/srs_meetup_planning_thread/c5dd7hp
  112. [01:45:41] <Erika_Mustermann> but you ignored it
  113. [01:45:43] <GALBARGE> air?
  114. [01:45:43] <@Samaelle> you're always allowed to voice concerns
  115. [01:45:46] <GALBARGE> concern tornado
  116. [01:45:47] <Erika_Mustermann> and said here were no worries
  117. [01:45:56] <@Samaelle> but it's how you voice them
  118. [01:45:57] <Erika_Mustermann> Want to reply to this? http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSHome/comments/whjp5/srs_meetup_planning_thread/c5dd7hp
  119. [01:46:03] razzzzzz [razi@lesbian.death.squadron] has left #SRS: Leaving
  120. [01:46:03] <Erika_Mustermann> tone argument eh
  121. [01:46:05] <%Odahviing> laffo
  122. [01:46:07] <@Samaelle> it's fine to be concerned about this
  123. [01:46:09] <@Samaelle> completely
  124. [01:46:12] <Erika_Mustermann> "and even if they did show up, we'd make them feel awful by being awesome people and welcoming them in."
  125. [01:46:13] <@Samaelle> it's valid
  126. [01:46:19] <Erika_Mustermann> That's not a rebuttal to a threat
  127. [01:46:21] <diddlebot> can't, srshome is private and I'm not allowed.
  128. [01:46:24] <Erika_Mustermann> That's hand waiving
  129. [01:46:36] <@Samaelle> but coming into irc and yelling about dworks being blind to her privilege is not going to go over well
  130. [01:46:45] dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile] has set mode +b Erika_Mustermann!*@*
  131. [01:46:49] <GALBARGE> :|
  132. [01:46:53] <%Odahviing> what
  133. [01:46:57] <GALBARGE> this is temporary right
  134. [01:47:04] Erika_Mustermann [~ach@achtung.fertig.los] has left #SRS
  135. [01:47:12] Erika [~ach@achtung.fertig.los] has joined #SRS
  136. [01:47:15] <Erika> wtf
  137. [01:47:18] <&dworks> you dont get to talk to me like that
  138. [01:47:23] <Erika> Who am I attacking?
  139. [01:47:34] <Erika> That's our security policy for the meetup  "and even if they did show up, we'd make them feel awful by being awesome people and welcoming them in." -dworks
  140. [01:47:35] strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms] has set mode +b *!~ach@*.fertig.los
  141. [01:47:42] Erika [~ach@achtung.fertig.los] has been kicked from #SRS by strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms]: strudelle
  142. [01:48:08] <diddlebot> :|
  143. [01:48:13] <@Samaelle> it's ok
  144. [01:48:15] <@Samaelle> it's temp
  145. [01:48:18] <@Samaelle> onesec
  146. [01:49:08] <hatmoose> that was bad
  147. [01:50:37] <@Samaelle> Pming them now, just need to cool off
  148. [01:51:23] <@strudelle> this is a conversation we should have, but not with joy and erika in irc. theyre impossible to talk to when they get worked up like that
  149. [01:52:35] <GALBARGE> ok
  150. [01:52:36] <GALBARGE> so
  151. [01:52:36] <GALBARGE> like
  152. [01:52:58] <GALBARGE> i think that this should take up serious investment of time and effort and im sure evryone involved does too
  153. [01:53:19] <GALBARGE> i dont know if srs is self sufficient enough to manage this without the rest of reddit over its shoulder
  154. [01:53:34] <GALBARGE> and not big enough for them to do shit to people
  155. [01:53:44] <kale_> do i smell some drama?
  156. [01:53:54] <GALBARGE> for them to not do shit to people*
  157. [01:54:09] <GALBARGE> thats just my opinion i think this is a good idea but premature by a long shot
  158. [01:54:20] <kale_> i smell in the air the tidings of a massive shitstorm
  159. [01:54:31] kale_ [~kale_@REDACTED] has been kicked from #SRS by dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile]: dworks
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  161. [01:54:42] <kale_> rude
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  163. [01:54:47] dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile] has set mode +b *!*@REDACTED
  164. [01:54:47] kale_ [~kale_@REDACTED] has been kicked from #SRS by dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile]: dworks
  165. [01:55:31] razzzzzz [razi@lesbian.death.squadron] has joined #SRS
  166. [01:55:31] Angel [angel@botserv.synirc.net] has set mode +o razzzzzz
  167. [01:56:40] torchie [~torchie@REDACTED] has quit IRC: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
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  169. [01:57:59] <kale> so as i was saying
  170. [01:58:04] <kale> massive shitstorm
  171. [01:58:06] <@strudelle> lol
  172. [01:58:08] <kale> is abrewing
  173. [01:58:12] <hatmoose> definitely
  174. [01:58:18] <hatmoose> were a small boat on a huge sea
  175. [01:58:20] <hatmoose> of poop
  176. [01:58:23] <diddlebot> mm. yes.
  177. [01:58:31] <diddlebot> a sea of foul bosco.
  178. [01:58:50] <kale> so what is the drama for
  179. [01:59:10] <hatmoose> maybe you want an animal picture, here: check your mail box http://i.imgur.com/28rH7.jpg
  180. [01:59:15] <kale> strudelle: can you unban my other name plz
  181. [01:59:31] dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile] has set mode +b *!*@REDACTED
  182. [01:59:31] kale [~kale@REDACTED] has been kicked from #SRS by dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile]: dworks
  183. [01:59:46] <GALBARGE> :?
  184. [02:01:09] kale [Mibbit@REDACTED] has joined #SRS
  185. [02:01:14] <kale> ok seriously
  186. [02:01:16] <kale> very rude
  187. [02:01:41] <GALBARGE> ...
  188. [02:01:43] <misandrybot> GALBARGE: idgi
  189. [02:01:56] <kale> someone plz remove my other 2 bans
  190. [02:02:00] <hatmoose> you're probably not going to stop getting banned for rejoining
  191. [02:02:17] <kale> well if there was no op abuse then i wouldbt be banned now would i?
  192. [02:02:22] dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile] has set mode +b *!*@REDACTED
  193. [02:02:22] kale [Mibbit@REDACTED] has been kicked from #SRS by dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile]: dworks
  194. [02:02:45] <hatmoose> admin bus
  195. [02:02:48] atomicthumbs [~atomicthu@REDACTED] has joined #SRS
  196. [02:02:58] <&dworks> honk honk
  197. [02:03:35] <GALBARGE> MOD ABUSE
  198. [02:03:38] <GALBARGE> ;p
  199. [02:05:12] CK2rningware [~Kerningwa@all.the.typography.puns] is now known as Kerningware
  200. [02:07:36] <SpiritBrie> Kerningware did you die as dublin?
  201. [02:07:56] <%Kerningware> no
  202. [02:08:11] <%Kerningware> i stopped because digital piano got delivered and now i must play all the songs
  203. [02:09:46] [] [~______@achtung.fertig.los] has joined #SRS
  204. [02:09:56] <[]> Can someone explain to me why I was just removed from r/srshome?
  205. [02:10:08] <GALBARGE> quien es
  206. [02:10:18] <GALBARGE> joy or erika
  207. [02:10:21] <[]> Erika_Mustermann
  208. [02:10:22] <GALBARGE> :(
  209. [02:10:31] <[]> I was removed for asking questions?
  210. [02:10:39] <[]> I didn't insult dworks or anyone :\
  211. [02:10:44] strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms] has set mode +b *!~______@*.fertig.los
  212. [02:10:52] [] [~______@achtung.fertig.los] has been kicked from #SRS by strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms]: strudelle
  213. [02:10:52] <GALBARGE> strudelle is this temporary
  214. [02:11:08] <@strudelle> not up to me. sam said it was earlier
  215. [02:11:26] [] [~_____@achtung.fertig.los] has joined #SRS
  216. [02:11:31] <[]> So that's your answer?
  217. [02:11:37] <[]> silence me?
  218. [02:11:40] strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms] has set mode +b *!~_____@*.fertig.los
  219. [02:11:45] [] [~_____@achtung.fertig.los] has been kicked from #SRS by strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms]: strudelle
  220. [02:15:52] dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile] has quit IRC: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client
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  222. [02:16:34] Angel [angel@botserv.synirc.net] has set mode +ao dworks dworks
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  224. [02:16:38] <UUU> I'd appreciate an OP actually telling me what I did to be removed from r/srshome
  225. [02:16:46] <UUU> Erika_Mustermann
  226. [02:16:57] <UUU> Anyone?
  227. [02:17:06] dworks [laurelai@all.aboard.the.benmobile] has set mode +b *!~...@achtung.fertig.los
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  229. [02:18:45] <wmute> why is she getting banned for asking a simple question?
  230. [02:20:15] <@strudelle> she's getting banned for circumventing her original ban. how would that conversation be at all appropriate to have in #srs anyway
  231. [02:22:10] <Skullsplitter> wait erika munstermann was banned?
  232. [02:22:28] Kerningware [~Kerningwa@all.the.typography.puns] has quit IRC: Ping timeout
  233. [02:22:47] <GALBARGE> Skullsplitter temp if she doesnt keep rejoining afaik
  234. [02:22:54] <GALBARGE> the decision could very well change
  235. [02:23:15] <Skullsplitter> why tho
  236. [02:23:23] <GALBARGE> because
  237. [02:23:24] <GALBARGE> well
  238. [02:23:35] <GALBARGE> im sure youre familiar with our favorite buddy joyindescribable
  239. [02:23:41] <@strudelle> serial pitchforking, quite honestly
  240. [02:24:05] <wmute> i don't know what happened in srshome but from here it seems you are abusing your ops to silence her very real concerns
  241. [02:24:31] <Skullsplitter> pitchforking?
  242. [02:24:43] <Skullsplitter> GALBARGE: yeah?
  243. [02:25:04] <spacekitteh> i agree with wmute
  244. [02:25:04] <GALBARGE> well joy came in screaming about what she posted in SRSHome which while i dont disagree
  245. [02:25:07] <GALBARGE> im very
  246. [02:25:09] <GALBARGE> annoyed
  247. [02:25:12] <GALBARGE> to say the least
  248. [02:25:27] <GALBARGE> about her constant throwing of "check your privilege" and frothing at the mouth and all
  249. [02:25:33] <GALBARGE> and i get where she is coming from
  250. [02:25:34] <@strudelle> like i said, this is a conversation we should definitely have. not in the midst of an irc mob tho, which is an erika/joy specialty
  251. [02:25:46] <GALBARGE> but in the end she got banned to be shut up because she had autojoin
  252. [02:25:55] <@strudelle> feel free to post safety concerns in the srshome thread
  253. [02:25:57] <GALBARGE> which erika adamantly disagreed with and refused to drop the issue
  254. [02:26:02] <wmute> she did not have autojoin
  255. [02:26:03] <@strudelle> the topic itself is certainly not off limits
  256. [02:26:18] <wmute> that wouldn't have changed her ident
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  258. [02:26:50] Angel [angel@botserv.synirc.net] has set mode +h Kerningware
  259. [02:28:31] <Skullsplitter> strudelle: are you sure? Cuz peeps are gettin benned
  260. [02:28:51] <@strudelle> yeah i know skullsplitter
  261. [02:29:15] <Skullsplitter> so then it is off limits
  262. [02:29:17] <Skullsplitter> ?
  263. [02:29:19] <&dworks> theyre getting banned for hurling abuse at me
  264. [02:29:24] <@strudelle> no, i's not off limtis
  265. [02:29:35] <@strudelle> but i understand how it might look
  266. [02:29:41] <spacekitteh> dworks: what was the abuse?
  267. [02:29:56] <&dworks> i got about 500 pm's of CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE
  268. [02:30:06] <&dworks> and telling me to go fuck myself
  269. [02:30:10] <&dworks> so
  270. [02:30:20] <&dworks> wasnt too keen on letting them hang out
  271. [02:30:26] <&dworks> bc they didnt want to discuss anything
  272. [02:30:46] <spacekitteh> how is check your privilege abuse?
  273. [02:30:49] <spacekitteh> i get the fuck yourself bit
  274. [02:30:53] <spacekitteh> but how is the former abuse?
  275. [02:30:54] <Skullsplitter> but isn't being told to check your privilege
  276. [02:30:58] <Skullsplitter> the entire point of SRS?
  277. [02:31:03] <spacekitteh> exactly, Skullsplitter
  278. [02:31:21] <&dworks> we treat regulars with a softer touch
  279. [02:31:26] <spacekitteh> why?
  280. [02:31:27] <Skullsplitter> like, SRS exists solely to yell at people and say HEY YOU HAVE A SHIT TON OF PRIVILEGE STEP BACK AND LOOK AT YOURSELF
  281. [02:31:36] <Skullsplitter> I've had to do it a bunch and I still have to do it
  282. [02:31:38] <spacekitteh> if people are being shitty they're being shitty
  283. [02:31:40] <Skullsplitter> cuz I'm privileged as fuck
  284. [02:31:41] <&dworks> srshome doesnt
  285. [02:31:48] <Skullsplitter> it's a part of SRS
  286. [02:32:19] <Skullsplitter> and it's supposed to be a safe space, not a safe space for people to ignore privilege
  287. [02:32:50] <&dworks> yeah its supposed to be a safe space
  288. [02:33:03] <&dworks> and i was being attacked
  289. [02:33:07] <&dworks> so i responded
  290. [02:33:18] <spacekitteh> how is being told to check your privilegte an attack?
  291. [02:33:25] <Skullsplitter> you were being attacked for ignoring your privilege
  292. [02:33:35] <Skullsplitter> ignoring your privilege creates a less-safe space for other people
  293. [02:33:35] <&dworks> she told me to go fuck myself and if anyone got hurt, its all my fault
  294. [02:33:38] <@strudelle> she's not ignoring her privilege
  295. [02:33:49] <&dworks> im probably the one most at risk
  296. [02:34:12] <spacekitteh> well then why did you say you were attacked by being told to check your privilege?
  297. [02:34:19] <&dworks> and im putting myself out there as an example so people can be a bit courageous
  298. [02:34:24] <Skullsplitter> I agree that the "go fuck yourself" thing is out of line, and that's all pretty hurtful
  299. [02:34:37] <&dworks> and spit in the face of shitbirds who would otherwise scare you out of meeting fantastic people
  300. [02:34:42] <GALBARGE> i dont think it was an attack. on the other hand arguing with joy is like yelling at a slowly advancing brick wall
  301. [02:35:06] <GALBARGE> its fucking vulgar and damn disrespectful and, in the case of how safe dworks is, probably entirely wrong
  302. [02:35:14] <GALBARGE> joy made damn good points
  303. [02:35:15] <GALBARGE> but
  304. [02:35:23] <GALBARGE> i would much rather somebody else made them
  305. [02:35:41] <GALBARGE> sorry for "tone arguments"
  306. [02:35:44] <&dworks> this will be safe
  307. [02:35:49] <&dworks> i promise you guys
  308. [02:36:02] <@strudelle> i actually dont think we can promise that at all
  309. [02:36:08] <@strudelle> i think itll be safe too
  310. [02:36:14] <@strudelle> but obviously we cant promise anything
  311. [02:36:15] <spacekitteh> dworks not all of us are guys
  312. [02:36:33] <&dworks> i meant guys in the nuetral sense but youre right
  313. [02:36:38] <@strudelle> people have to make their own decisions
  314. [02:36:42] <GALBARGE> with all honesty
  315. [02:36:46] <spacekitteh> it's no more gender neutral than "he"
  316. [02:36:50] <@strudelle> about what their risk is
  317. [02:37:02] <GALBARGE> if we cant guarantee safety then we arent investing enough into this
  318. [02:37:43] <@strudelle> since more privileged people bear less risk, they are unfortunately better off in this situation, as usual
  319. [02:37:57] <@strudelle> but i'm not sure what the alternative is, aside from not having meetups at all
  320. [02:38:14] <GALBARGE> it would need to be really heavily policed
  321. [02:38:16] <spacekitteh> strudelle: i can't think of a way to have one without having ID checks, metal detectors, etc
  322. [02:38:23] <GALBARGE> it would need a serious investment of lots of people's time
  323. [02:38:26] <GALBARGE> and possibly money
  324. [02:38:31] <spacekitteh> yeah, yuo'd have to hire a security company for sure
  325. [02:38:33] <GALBARGE> it would be more like a small con than a meetup
  326. [02:38:37] <Skullsplitter> this is infeasible as fuck
  327. [02:38:42] <GALBARGE> ^
  328. [02:38:45] <hatmoose> unfeasible i think
  329. [02:38:46] <@strudelle> spacekitteh: there are many ways to have one and many levels of security that different people would accept
  330. [02:38:49] <GALBARGE> its not impossible
  331. [02:38:58] <Skullsplitter> right now?
  332. [02:39:02] <Skullsplitter> yeah it's pretty fucking impossible
  333. [02:39:03] <GALBARGE> but i dont think a sudden "meetup!" thread will do the trick
  334. [02:39:44] <@strudelle> maybe not. like i said this is a conversation worth having
  335. [02:39:50] <GALBARGE> yeah i mean its not impossible at all but in the present situation of SRS and SRSisters alike this might now be a good idea
  336. [02:39:57] <Skullsplitter> you realize that if we do this the only people who will feel safe coming to it will be the more privileged ones right? And what if someone does get hurt? Because they very well could get hurt
  337. [02:40:19] <@strudelle> Skullsplitter: i just said that
  338. [02:40:27] <@strudelle> its unavoidable
  339. [02:40:35] <hatmoose> i wish this is what we talked about in the 'interest in meetup' thread in srshome
  340. [02:40:38] <@strudelle> no matter the level of security, more privileged people will always be more safe
  341. [02:40:42] <Skullsplitter> strudelle: whoops sorry it's late I must've missed you saying that :P
  342. [02:40:54] <Skullsplitter> at least we're in agreement
  343. [02:41:31] spacekitteh wonders how many black trans lesbians would turn up vs gawcsms
  344. [02:41:46] <GALBARGE> thats also an issue
  345. [02:41:56] <GALBARGE> you need privilege to get in as well as privilege to get out
  346. [02:41:58] <Skullsplitter> that would defeat the point
  347. [02:42:20] <GALBARGE> (ta dah)
  348. [02:42:51] <GALBARGE> like for reals, I would love a global meetup as much as any other gal, but right now it might not be possible beyond small local things
  349. [02:42:56] <GALBARGE> im not saying it wont happen
  350. [02:42:57] <GALBARGE> its all
  351. [02:42:58] <GALBARGE> in the timing
  352. [02:43:15] <spacekitteh> i'm going to a party in about 15 minutes which will have a couple of other SRSters
  353. [02:43:18] <&dworks> we've had meetups before
  354. [02:43:19] <spacekitteh> but it's purely incidental
  355. [02:43:52] <GALBARGE> spacekitteh did they invite each other or something to the community or did they all find it on their own
  356. [02:43:54] <GALBARGE> ;P
  357. [02:43:58] <GALBARGE> because like
  358. [02:44:02] <spacekitteh> i showed them all :P
  359. [02:44:06] mix [u3349@REDACTED] has joined #SRS
  360. [02:44:07] <GALBARGE> yeah see
  361. [02:44:11] <GALBARGE> hey mix
  362. [02:44:45] <mix> hi i heard there was some dworks
  363. [02:44:47] <mix> bullshit goin down
  364. [02:45:03] <mix> REPORTING FOR DUTY, PRIMARY DWORKS CALL OUTER OF BULLSHIT
  365. [02:45:03] <mix> oh wait
  366. [02:45:04] <mix> i forgot
  367. [02:45:11] <mix> it's 'harasser' nowadays, isn't it?
  368. [02:45:11] <Skullsplitter> mix: you changed your name, who were you again? I forget who you are
  369. [02:45:12] Nebula42 [~Ella@REDACTED] has quit IRC: Quit:
  370. [02:45:15] <Skullsplitter> I apologize
  371. [02:45:18] <mix> Skullsplitter: i'm a seekrit
  372. [02:45:25] <mix> prolly name-banned already i imagine
  373. [02:45:30] strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms] has set mode +b *!u3349@*.com
  374. [02:45:33] <GALBARGE> :\
  375. [02:45:34] <Skullsplitter> gqbby?
  376. [02:45:36] mix [u3349@REDACTED] has been kicked from #SRS by strudelle [~strudelle@south.cackalackee.grade.boom.booms]: strudelle
  377. [02:45:40] <GALBARGE> yeah :(
  378. [02:45:42] <spacekitteh> Skullsplitter: yeah
  379. [02:45:46] <Skullsplitter> :(
  380. [02:46:18] Nebula42 [Nebula42@REDACTED] has joined #SRS
  381. [02:46:25] <spacekitteh> wait, chicago? isn't that the murder capital of the US?
  382. [02:46:29] <hatmoose> boy
  383. [02:46:41] MrMenagerie [~ZachH@Balls.Balls.Balls] has joined #SRS
  384. [02:46:47] <Skullsplitter> spacekitteh: I thought that was newark, nj?
  385. [02:46:50] <GALBARGE> as i said
  386. [02:46:51] <Skullsplitter> but that's another point actually
  387. [02:46:54] <spacekitteh> i don't know what nj is
  388. [02:46:54] <GALBARGE> chicago is not the best place
  389. [02:47:04] <Skullsplitter> cities are a bad idea
  390. [02:47:04] <GALBARGE> new jersey lol
  391. [02:47:05] <@strudelle> chicago is a great place
  392. [02:47:09] <Skullsplitter> it's a city
  393. [02:47:14] <Skullsplitter> with crime
  394. [02:47:25] <@strudelle> we're worried about random crime now?
  395. [02:47:29] <hatmoose> newark doesn't have that many murders
  396. [02:47:40] <hatmoose> ok that came out wrong
  397. [02:47:46] <spacekitteh> strudelle: no. it just stands to reason that it's even less safe than your average city
  398. [02:47:46] <Skullsplitter> hatmoose: oh I just remember someone saying that once it's probably completely false
  399. [02:48:58] <Alyosha> lol r/gaming is mad about feminists
  400. [02:49:13] <%Odahviing> chicago is not by any means safe if you're trans or a poc...
  401. [02:49:30] <Skullsplitter> we couldn't guarantee safety if it was in a relatively safe afea
  402. [02:49:32] <Skullsplitter> area
  403. [02:49:34] <GALBARGE> i dont know too much about chicago but i dont hear good things about it
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  410. [07:03:05] <~Tesseraction> Squishy: no
  411. [07:03:15] <~Tesseraction> it was about Dworks's Chicago Meetup
  412. [07:03:21] <~Tesseraction> also about Joyindescribable
  413. [07:03:34] <~Tesseraction> do you have access to SRSHome?
  414. [07:03:37] <~Tesseraction> it's a thread in there
  415. [07:04:14] <~Tesseraction> the deleted comments are by joyindescribable and are basically long paragraphs of rape fiction
  416. [07:04:19] <GALBARGE> Hey so
  417. [07:04:22] <~Tesseraction> to prove a point
  418. [07:04:25] <GALBARGE> did i miss something in the past 3 hours
  419. [07:04:31] <GALBARGE> i saw the joy thing
  420. [07:04:34] <GALBARGE> and then i went to bed
  421. [07:04:46] <~Tesseraction> joy came in here and started graphically describing rape
  422. [07:04:52] <~Tesseraction> while calling Dworks a piece of shit
  423. [07:04:55] <~Tesseraction> so she banned her
  424. [07:05:01] <~Tesseraction> Erika then decided to take up the mantle
  425. [07:05:07] <GALBARGE> woah wait
  426. [07:05:14] <~Tesseraction> so she also ate a ban
  427. [07:05:21] <GALBARGE> i dont remember joy graphically describing rape when she came in
  428. [07:05:23] <GALBARGE> she was loud as fuck
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