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duwango (×?×): Howdy, just dropping by to say thanks for accepting my invite

Habermann: hey yo

duwango (×?×): I didn't message ya earlier because I assumed you were busy with your game

duwango (×?×): Anyways, wassup?

Habermann: actually just grinding out trading cards lol

duwango (×?×): oh lol

Habermann: i leave games open to get the cards out of them and sell them back for fractions of what the game probably cost in the first place

duwango (×?×): that's a neat strategy I suppose

duwango (×?×): I might do that for games I don't really feel like playing

Habermann: i also already wrote an answer for your second tumblr ask, but i figured i'd save it for tomorrow since i already posted a bunch of stuff today

duwango (×?×): Sure thing, I can wait

Habermann: i mean, i can just send it to you right now actually lol

duwango (×?×): lol I was gonna suggest that

duwango (×?×): sure, a 'preview' works too

Habermann: but yeah, posting it live tomorrow so i don't feel like i'm spamming my followers or whatever

Habermann: I don’t pretend to know anything about the current situation on Something Awful, since I posted in a “banme” at some point in late 2013 and never looked back.

 

… Actually, that’s partially a lie: I do know that they’ve been posting the lowest numbers in web traffic activity / new forum registrations in years, and that they stopped generating any sort of profit a long time ago. And so, I they’ve been trying a variety of different things to try and re-engage their community. The lifting of rules on the GBS board as a stunt a year or so ago - which tantamount to encouraged posters to post shitty blocks of hate speech and rally against certain demographics of users - was actually the reason I left SA in the first place.

 

I always knew I was in the midst of some scumfucks when I was a member there for nearly 6 years, but the forum rules up until that point had at least managed to keep most of them from being as aggressive / open about it as they wanted to be. When the rules went away, the proverbial veil lifted, and I was forced to come to terms with some of the company I was keeping. I decided it would be better for me personally to get myself banned (thereby forcing me to stay away from the forums), and only keep in touch with the handful of friends I had made in my time there.

 

So, if I’m understanding your message correctly, maybe they’re trying to position themselves as being friendly towards socially conscious users / silencing the same assholes they had once handed over the reins to? If that’s really the case, that’s definitely a step in the right direction (even if their intentions are probably pretty selfish). Still not enough to make me want to pay away my ban, though.

Habermann: actually, i'm just noticing typos in that too, so i guess i'll workshop it before i post it lol

duwango (×?×): reading it atm

duwango (×?×): Done

duwango (×?×): I only go to SA sometimes, just for the sake of lurking

duwango (×?×): I do know about the GBS board ditching the rules, but not the details

Habermann: i can actually find my tumblr posts from around that time

Habermann: and the single thread that told me i needed to get the fuck out

duwango (×?×): Didn't they already had the FYAD board for spewing vile trash and whatnot?

Habermann: http://jameshabermann.tumblr.com/post/65768188293/hey-habermann-whats-your-thoughts-on-the-anarchy-that and http://jameshabermann.tumblr.com/post/66019095771/you-alright-i-saw-that-you-banned-yourself-on-sa-and-i

Habermann: there we go

duwango (×?×): I remember watching back in 2011 a video of Armake being verbally abused by some SA goons

duwango (×?×): No one has reuploaded it, it seems

Habermann: i'm pretty sure i was in that

duwango (×?×): ah lol

duwango (×?×): what were the details of that, if you don't mind me asking?

duwango (×?×): I'll check that link in a bit btw

Habermann: i think i was put up to it by some dude who i can't remember, mostly to spite the dude running the awful LP

Habermann: at some point after that, armake actually joined my stupid forum, and asked me to teach him "how to be a troll"

Habermann: and i spent the better part of a year being an awful piece of shit and pretty much manipulating him

Habermann: at some point, he got really drunk, depression hit him really hard, and he confided in me over a skype call that i was "his only friend"

Habermann: and at that point - despite still being an asshole - i felt really guilty and gross about it

Habermann: because i had still never sat through a single one of his videos / ever given a damn about him

Habermann: i think he still hangs out with jim and blackfacekermit and others, and they all still berate him on a daily basis

duwango (×?×): Yeah Jim has made a few vids with Armake not long ago

duwango (×?×): On TheWaste0Time

duwango (×?×): and BFK was white-knighting him on a reupload of that "ex-girlfriend skype chat" video

duwango (×?×): As for my opinion on Armake, I"m conflicted I suppose

Habermann: i can't feel entirely sympathetic for armake, since he's done some legitimately disgusting shit to previous girlfriends

Habermann: also, he has a torture fetish

duwango (×?×): I wanna believe he isn't a bad guy, but I still hold him accountable for the years of douchebaggery on his part

Habermann: i can tell you that, at his core, he has really terrifying views on women and fetishizes drowning them

duwango (×?×): Yeah he seems to enjoy suffering, apaprently

Habermann: but that's still not really an excuse for me manipulating him for as long as i did

duwango (×?×): Like, he wants people to hate on him at all costs

duwango (×?×): Eh I'd say shit happens, but then again, I wasn't there to see how things happened

duwango (×?×): Have you at least attempted to apologize to Armake? Or he never cared?

Habermann: i haven't talked to him since, to be honest

Habermann: he'd go running right to jim & co.

Habermann: you've gotta understand that i'm basically responsible for what jim is up to now

Habermann: i taught him a lot of the stupid bullshit he's up to now, and how to effectively manipulate 4chan and all sorts of other shit

duwango (×?×): Regarding your forum, I know next to nothing about Metokur, unfortunately

Habermann: i also taught him how to keep a tight leash on his little cult of personality

Habermann: so, he's got his handful of maybe a dozen guys that basically operate as his puppets at this point

duwango (×?×): I am aware of Jim's early years at the attempted "super game reviewer website" from 2008

duwango (×?×): According to a close friend of mine, he was already a douche back then

Habermann: oh, he's always been a piece of shit. that's for sure

Habermann: i just taught him how to be an effective piece of shit

duwango (×?×): I never liked Jim, either way

duwango (×?×): I personally first interacted with him back in GamesGoodMeBad

duwango (×?×): I thought that his "subscribe to me because I'm an SA goon" attitude to be shitty

duwango (×?×): So I left a random troll comment on his channel

duwango (×?×): he spazzed out, even used sockpuppets to flame my channel lol

Habermann: that sounds about right

duwango (×?×): Yeah, he does seem to know how to manipulate the YT drones effectively

duwango (×?×): I'll give him credit for that

Habermann: so, basically, here's a brief history of how jim got to where he is

Habermann: he tried unsuccessfully for years to get popular on his own, by doing the whole "youtube ranter" gimmick

duwango (×?×): Habermann: so, he's got his handful of maybe a dozen guys that basically operate as his puppets at this point

I'm aware that Jim is a darling for the YT ranting elite establishment

duwango (×?×): Hellsing, DCE, BigAl and so on

Habermann: but in his time among the likes of boomstick, bigal, yeah

duwango (×?×): if you're familiar with those figures, anyway

Habermann: he made some connections

Habermann: and he got approached by a guy by the name of "axelstripe," if i remember right

Habermann: sometimes i don't, since i was a painkiller addict through most of METOKUR, and my memory is basically shot because of it

duwango (×?×): I know axelstripe, if that helps

duwango (×?×): nice guy, btw

Habermann: at any rate, this axelstripe guy had a huge pool of money, supposedly as part of some IRA pay-off or something crazy like that

Habermann: like, the story goes that the IRA accidentally killed his parents, and they gave him hush money???? or something crazy like that?????

Habermann: at any rate, the story goes that he decided to use that money to put all the youtube ranters in his pocket

Habermann: so he was essentially personally comissioning reviews by bigal and randomdce and the like

Habermann: he's the guy who bought armake an alienware at some point

Habermann: and at another point, he tried to put jim in his pocket

Habermann: but i guess jim didn't like the terms of the deal, or maybe axelstripe withdrew, or something happened that made jim back out of it

Habermann: so, he came to us at some point in 2009/10 with all this info, and said he wanted to drop the infobomb of all infobombs

Habermann: we ended up confirming some of the details of his story through armake and a couple other dudes

Habermann: but when it finally came time for him to start making videos, like he told us he had planned on doing (and using our channels as the means of distribution), he got lazy and gave up on it

Habermann: but he stuck around anyway, and got involved with some of our other ongoing things

Habermann: and i saw his... how you say, "charisma," and realized i could use him as a sort of face for what we were doing / move myself out of the spotlight

Habermann: and so i taught him how to effectively manipulate people, rally crowds, speak to what places like 4chan want to hear, and generally do all the things he's doing right now

Habermann: i even taught him how to interact with the gaming press, since i had done a few interviews with the escapist / fox news myself

Habermann: i even invented the name "internet aristocrat" for him so he could post videos onto a youtube commentary channel we were running

Habermann: which i promptly had him use to attack encyclopedia dramatica's main donations-earner: a girl going by the handle "EDS1"

Habermann: which, that in conjunction with some articles i wrote myself ended up killing ED, as well as landing a real-life subpoena in my mailbox

Habermann: but i'm getting into way too much detail here lol

Habermann: the point is, i have to live with the fact i basically created the monster jim became

Habermann: he almost made these shitty videos for my current channel, and i was only saved by the fact that he lost interest in it for a time / i had my moment of revelation that what i was doing was fucking abhorent

Habermann: but i still have to live with the fact he's organizing targetted harassment, and playing with peoples lives, and generally causing a whole lot of hurt

Habermann: so, i don't sleep too well with that

duwango (×?×): That's quite a lot of text, but also quite a great story

duwango (×?×): I'm also gonna reply with a bunch of stuff, so bear with me and etc

Habermann: go for it

duwango (×?×): One last thing I wanted to say about the SA - SJW thing

duwango (×?×): Apparently, SA was the other website that organized the crusade against Jontron over him using the word "retard"

duwango (×?×): That's just a rumor, so don't take my word for it

Habermann: nah, i can clear that up

Habermann: there's a large group of tumblr users orginating from SA

duwango (×?×): I personally do not like SJWs or left-wing politics in general, but I usually just ignore them, unless they try to start shit with me

Habermann: some of them still post ocassionally on SA, but most of them don't really identify anymore

duwango (×?×): And I don't care about them having a say on games, either

duwango (×?×): And someone also made mention of a place called "something sensitive"

duwango (×?×): I checked  it for the first time today, and from what I understand, it's a gathering of former goons

Habermann: that's where SA users who got banned for being shitheels went to whine about SA's rules

duwango (×?×): Apparently, SA had a child rapist for a moderator at one point, which is someone I wanna look more into

Habermann: there was a lot of turnover / people quitting after that came to light

Habermann: so, SA ran on (might still be running on) a skeleton crew after that

Habermann: make no mistake: SA is on it's way out. the only thing keeping it afloat is lowtax's personal savings, really

Habermann: at some point, it's gonna suffer the same fate i accidentally made ED suffer

Habermann: in the case of ED, girlvinyl realized her dream of making a profit on the site wasn't gonna work. not only that, she was gonna have to pay out of her own pocket to keep the site running

Habermann: so, she took it all down and put up a more "mainstream" site in its place... which also failed to make a profit, so she quietly killed that off too

Habermann: sorry if i derailed your train of thought there: i still have a hard time not interjecting lol

duwango (×?×): lol it's fine, it's better to interject and be chatty as opposed to not saying anything at all

duwango (×?×): funny thing, bitching about sjws on tumblr is a popular fad, but I barely see those on my feed tbh

duwango (×?×): when I do, I just unfollow the person reblogging that stuff and move on

Habermann: you've gotta follow the "right" people

duwango (×?×): Yup, search for the trouble yourself

Habermann: or sometimes, if you lean towards social consciousness like i do, they come to you

Habermann: http://sporkyspork.tumblr.com/ this nerd has set me plenty of manifestos in response to my posts lol

duwango (×?×): I had a bunch of anarcho-commie kids reblog a jojo pic I posted, for some reason

duwango (×?×): that's about as close as I got to unintentionally baiting them

Habermann: i have read exactly zero of them, since he opened half of them with "hey faggot"

duwango (×?×): Apparently, SA's archives are no longer available at all

duwango (×?×): even when you pay extra monnies for "premium" access

Habermann: they lost some of their servers in a horrible accident

Habermann: because they are running on obsolete decades-old hardware that they have to pay out the ass to continue to maintain

Habermann: i think something literally caught fire at some point

duwango (×?×): Ah I see

duwango (×?×): I pretty much forgot "Oh Internet" was a thing

Habermann: so did most everyone else on the internet lol

duwango (×?×): Anyways, lemme address all the other stuff you've mentioned

 

duwango (×?×): A few other things to add about the Armake topic

duwango (×?×): sources say he's pretty screwy both online and IRL

duwango (×?×): He made up some story about being attacked by a gunfever (ancient as hell youtube trolling group) member irl

duwango (×?×): And supposedly he was a cop at one point

Habermann: i can confirm the cop deal

Habermann: he helped us harass another cop at some point

duwango (×?×): I still vividly remember that $10,000 computer squabble

Habermann: just to give you an idea of how dangerous the water we treaded in was lol

duwango (×?×): He faked the hacking of his account just so he wouldn't have to discuss the subject

duwango (×?×): And to even to this day, he hasn't apologized for any of it

Habermann: he helped us blackmail a gay cop by us threatening to reveal to the rest of his precinct the fact he had a grindr-type account or something

Habermann: he told us how to figure out who his fellow officers would be and how to contact them directly in case we wanted to go ahead with our threat

Habermann: i can't remember what we needed from the cop in question though

Habermann: he was probably a relative of a target of ours or something

Habermann: but yeah, he also told us the gunfever story, and i knew right away it was bullshit lol

Habermann: anyway, carry on

duwango (×?×): just one more question, do you know why armake got fired from his job?

Habermann: pretty sure he showed up drunk one too many times

duwango (×?×): role model citizen lol

duwango (×?×): anyways, movin' on

duwango (×?×): About Jim

duwango (×?×): As I previously mentioned, I'm aware of the fact he's part of the YT rulling class of jurassic ranters and reviewers

duwango (×?×): And that they all suck up to him

duwango (×?×): Which, prior to the info you've just told me, I thought was the most disturbing fact about Jim

duwango (×?×): Of course, elitism on the internet is nothing new, but it's disturbing how those guys go to great lenghs at silencing anyone for dissent

duwango (×?×): it reached it's peak back in 2010

duwango (×?×): and it still happens with some frequency

duwango (×?×): I've been targeted by those crusaders a tad way too many times

duwango (×?×): even when I wasn't doing anything lol

duwango (×?×): another one happened recently too

duwango (×?×): all it took was for me to leave a comment on one of bigal's videos

duwango (×?×): replied to another person, and told him that bigal backstabbed luizprower and darknessthecurse

duwango (×?×): it was enough to set alan into a tirade and call me a psycho/stalker/creep/whatever

duwango (×?×): If Jim is this disturbing as you said, I can't even famthom the horror stories concerning his other "friends"

duwango (×?×): One rumor I still remember to this day

duwango (×?×): is that Jim made a private commentary on RandomDCE and his other buttbuddies

duwango (×?×): on behalf of BigAl

duwango (×?×): Would you happen to know anything about that?

Habermann: can't say that i do

Habermann: i do know all those dudes trusted each other as far as they could throw each other, though

Habermann: they all seem to gravitate towards jim though. probably because he's the best natural speaker / is the best at keeping on top of "current events"

duwango (×?×): yes, they all pretended to be "friends" so they can keep their elite establishment alive at all costs

duwango (×?×): and because they know their fanbases are fucking retarded anyway

Habermann: they have no real sway anymore though in the face of those other "redpill" types

duwango (×?×): yeah, it seems jim is the "unnoficial learder" or the group

Habermann: amazing atheist basically paved the way for any ranter-type who had the capability to become "mainstream"

duwango (×?×): the only one that keeps them together

Habermann: so all these other guys failed the test

duwango (×?×): true, they have no sway anymore

Habermann: jim isn't going to keep them around much longer at this point

duwango (×?×): their group is a decaying corpse that just refuses to die

duwango (×?×): I was ignoring those guys for a few years now

duwango (×?×): I get the feeling they'll use JIm's newfound popularity as a way to make themselves relevant again

Habermann: nah, won't work

Habermann: you've gotta understand for that as well-positioned jim is now, this isn't a dynasty built to last

duwango (×?×): I know lol

duwango (×?×): I just wanna be around to witness the fall, since it's not gonna be pretty

Habermann: jim knows how to actively market himself to 4chan and reddit and all the other shitholes. none of the other dudes do: they only expand through word of mouth / their connections at this point

Habermann: and there won't be a "fall" because they're so uneventful, there won't be anything to show for it

Habermann: they're gonna stay at the level they're at for the next decade, until the rules of the game change so drastically that they aren't sustainable anymore

Habermann: but as it stands, they never affected any change / had any impact on any operation any of them tried to involve themselves in

Habermann: and so, there's no height to fall from, because they never climbed anything to begin with

duwango (×?×): Very true

Habermann: i remember when they tried to cash in on a target we discovered

Habermann: alexander4488 i think his name was?

duwango (×?×): GameDude, yeah

Habermann: we found him, got the ball rolling on him, and did all the work doxxing him ourselves

Habermann: i did the first commentary making fun of him / exposing him to the world, and used my connections at ED to make him a featured article

Habermann: problem was, he fed off of all the attention, and we got a negative effect on him

Habermann: but by that point, boomstick545 and randomdce and all the other clowns had latched onto him, trying to get their own exposure from pursuing him

Habermann: but i had the "good sense" at the time to stop pursuing him as a target, because i never wanted METOKUR to be associated with "big-name targets"

Habermann: next thing i know, boomstick or some other interchangeable clown is claiming he's the one that first found alexander

duwango (×?×): yeah, boomstick was pretty toxic

Habermann: and i remember thinking to myself "all i can do is laugh if this dude wants to take all the credit for this shit"

duwango (×?×): I should know, I used to be friends with the guy til he became popular

duwango (×?×): I was still somewhat of a noob back then, so it kind of hit me personally

duwango (×?×): how could one guy change for the worse thanks only a few thousand yt subscribers

duwango (×?×): that's how the group always operate, anyway

Habermann: you've gotta remember that the sense of scale in 08/09 was different

Habermann: 1,000 was still a big number back then

duwango (×?×): either fabricating pointless bandwagons, or jumping on existing ones that they knew nothing about

duwango (×?×): it's why I personally find the yt ranting community to be the most cancerous subculture on the internet

duwango (×?×): which sounds like a stretch I know

Habermann: that's what made METOKUR and groups like YTYC different

Habermann: it also made us more dangerous, since we had a more direct effect on people

duwango (×?×): but I always had a vibe that furries, far-left extremists and so on were popular thanks to yt ranting

Habermann: nah, furries predate "modern web" by decades dude lol

Habermann: furries existed pre-usenet, even

duwango (×?×): I know, I specifically mean youtube furries

duwango (×?×): which are non-existent nowadays

Habermann: you'd be surprised

duwango (×?×): of course

Habermann: https://www.youtube.com/user/superbabsy123

Habermann: good to see this girl still has a cult of personality lol

Habermann: thousands of horndogs who all believe she loves each and every one of them personally

duwango (×?×): lol

duwango (×?×): yt is so big, it's hard to keep track of all the freakshows

duwango (×?×): I just focus on those who happen to hurt people

Habermann: also, "far-left extremists" don't have much to do with YT ranters either

Habermann: i wanna say you started to see us fucks mobilize around the time of livejournal, even

duwango (×?×): I started using YT back in mid 2008

duwango (×?×): althought I was already lurking a few months prior (without an account)

duwango (×?×): indeed, I only started giving a shit for the internet thanks to avgn

Habermann: i've been around since i was too young to even comprehend it all lol

Habermann: circa '94/'95

duwango (×?×): I sporadically used the internet

duwango (×?×): wasn't until 15 that I started caring

Habermann: i cared way too young

Habermann: so i had a toe dipped in the pool for a while now

Habermann: yeah, everything moves a lot faster now, but none of the shit you see today got it's start as recently as you may think

Habermann: a lot of it has just existed in hiding, and it took the social media bubble for it to come to the forefront

Habermann: up until youtube, a lot of the groups were just totally insular

Habermann: they didn't feel a need to confront one another because they had their own in-fighting and drama to deal with

Habermann: so, while neo-conservative youtube ranter sorts were starting to organize, and you ended up discovering / drifting towards it, these other circles already existed

Habermann: it took youtube / the "response video" phenomenom for them to really start clashing

duwango (×?×): I didn't discover 4chan until 2010

Habermann: and that gave the illusion of all these groups "starting"

duwango (×?×): I was already aware of it's existence, but I just never cared to even look at it prior

duwango (×?×): and I was already trolling idiots on yt as soon as I joined

Habermann: i started on 4chan circa '05, back when they targeted places like habbo hotel and camgirls

duwango (×?×): you could say my trolling was original

Habermann: because even then, 4chan didn't touch stuff like furry communtiies

duwango (×?×): I remember watching habbo hotel raid videos and wondering "wtf was that"

Habermann: partially due to the fact that there are a lot of furries among the ranks of old-school 4chan lol

Habermann: i can also tell you when i stopped using 4chan

Habermann: probably two or three months after the first "fox news expose"

Habermann: and we started getting an influx of "diggers"

duwango (×?×): Never really posted on 4chan, ever

duwango (×?×): I only lurk there occasionally

duwango (×?×): posting as an anon just doesn't appeal to me at all

duwango (×?×): I'm odd, I know lol

Habermann: and i knew right away things were about to get dilluted and repurposed and all sorts of political

Habermann: at any rate, i obviously can't even bring myself to look at 4chan now

Habermann: for as much as i remember about all of this shit, i still can't claim any of these to be happy memories

duwango (×?×): I've always been 'meh' towards 4chan

duwango (×?×): because like i said, never been a poster, just a lurker

Habermann: i rode the wave as high as it could rise, and i saw the bottom of the ocean floor from the top

duwango (×?×): /v/ threads are always funny to read, but that's about it

Habermann: i saw what lied in store for me if i continued to be an asshole / associate with assholes, and it wasn't pretty

Habermann: i could be jim right now

duwango (×?×): I never really associated with anyone, community-wise

Habermann: and i get the feeling that from your perspective, that doesn't seem like such a bad gig

duwango (×?×): I always prefered individualism

Habermann: but i would literally rather die than let myself sit atop a throne like that again

duwango (×?×): oh I know what you mean

duwango (×?×): being e-popular, even just slightly, is a drain

duwango (×?×): I've always been a nobody, and I like it that way

Habermann: true, but not really what i was thinking about either lol

Habermann: i don't sit comfortably with the knowledge that i manipulated people and played with their emotions

duwango (×?×): different perspectives and experiences, I suppose

duwango (×?×): I used to regret doing certain nasty things online, but not anymore

duwango (×?×): not that I feel pride on them

duwango (×?×): but the internet is filled with assholes, so feeling regret is moot

duwango (×?×): shit happens, basically

Habermann: yeah, but that's like not feeling guilty for pissing in an ocean of piss

duwango (×?×): I always try and make amends whenever I can, but that's about it

Habermann: you're still dilluding the water supply

Habermann: but maybe the skeletons in your closest aren't as mangled as mine

Habermann: i've gotta live with the fact i pushed people to suicide

duwango (×?×): I never did actually manipulate anyone, so perhaps I just never the feeling, thankfully

Habermann: so, that's considerably more weighty right there

duwango (×?×): ouch, now I get what you're trying to get across

Habermann: and the problem is

Habermann: you can't tell who's walking that edge and who isn't

Habermann: sure, there are people who post garbage on the internet, or who have bad opinions on totally trivial shit

duwango (×?×): yup, always the old problem of not being able to tell text apart, from an emotional point of view

Habermann: and there's always the urge to tell them "this sucks" or "you suck," in fancier words of course

duwango (×?×): you can never tell whether a person is being serious or not

Habermann: but it's never been the place of any of us to tell them that ourselves

duwango (×?×): it's basically trial-and-error

Habermann: there's a safer bet you can make, though

Habermann: you toss around words like "SJWs" and "far-left," and i don't call them into question because i spent long enough saying shit similar to that myself

Habermann: even though, in case you didn't gather, i'd sooner side with them than someone who would even identify as a "gamer"

duwango (×?×): I don't really care for the "SJW" term myself

duwango (×?×): Oh same here

Habermann: the point is, the people who usually use those terms, and the people rallying against them?

duwango (×?×): I'm a right-winger in most issues, but I don't feel symphathy for the "gamers" whatsoever

Habermann: you can place safe bets on THOSE dudes coming from a place of privelege / living life mostly without worry

Habermann: of course there are numerous obvious exceptions

Habermann: so, "safer" is a better word for it

duwango (×?×): As much as I hate to use ED terms, I think the whole mess with Zoe boils down to troll shielding

Habermann: hahahaha

Habermann: you mean the term i coined

Habermann: glad i could help

duwango (×?×): oh you, lol

duwango (×?×): Yeah I still lurk ED once in a while

Habermann: that article should still have references to me somewhere or another, unless they finally updated it again

duwango (×?×): Never really cared for it being "funny" or whatever, I always perceived it as an effective tool for stating blunt truths

Habermann: here's the problem with dismissing "gamers" as troll shielders though

Habermann: a lot of the dudes involving themselves in this whole mess are actually drinking the punch

Habermann: they actually believe in what they're "fighting for"

Habermann: when i first wanted to define the term, i had very specific people in mind lol

Habermann: and they were people coming to the ED forums from deviantART and gaia

Habermann: as well as a handful of "youtube groups" back when that was a system on youtube

duwango (×?×): Oh yeah, back when yt trolls where it's own community, if you can call it one

Habermann: those people had literally no stake in anything, other than building up rep

Habermann: but these dudes calling themselves "gamers" like a point of pride

Habermann: they feel like their hobby is somehow actually at risk right now

duwango (×?×): I always hated that shit

duwango (×?×): one guy calling himself a "gamer"

duwango (×?×): like it's some priviledged class of it's own right

Habermann: as if we dirty liberals wanna destroy the core of gaming

duwango (×?×): the cancer that is killing gaming are gamers themselves

Habermann: we'd settle for more playable ladies and people of color

duwango (×?×): somewhere, capcom and ea executives are giggling

duwango (×?×): because they can still get away with dlc practices

Habermann: but yeah, to wrap this all up in a tidy little bow

Habermann: jim has masterfully taken advantage of the whole situation and used it for his personal gain

Habermann: however, i do get to have one last laugh at his expense

duwango (×?×): I still have several more things to address lol

duwango (×?×): if you're cool with that

Habermann: he can't make a dime off of all those views he's getting

duwango (×?×): Of course

Habermann: maybe later, because i'm wrapping up to go to bed

Habermann: but lemme tell you one last thing before i do

duwango (×?×): he can only milk the zoe drama for so long

duwango (×?×): and by extension, tumblr for that matter

Habermann: the reason he wanted to use my channels to post his stuff was because i had no problem attaching my real name to stuff

duwango (×?×): so he was trying to frame you, in case shit went awry

Habermann: and so i'd gladly cash a proverbial check for youtube ad revenue or whatever

Habermann: that, and the fact that i would've been willing to paypal him his "portion" of the gains

Habermann: of course, without me, and with his inner circle knowing all too well what his backup plan is

Habermann: and also the fact you can easily derive who cashes those checks now, and it'd put anyone dumb enough to do so on his behalf in harms way

Habermann: he can't find a new fall guy, even among his most devoted lol

Habermann: and i can even tell you how much money he's sitting on right now that he has no way to claim

Habermann: http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/internetaristocrat

Habermann: somewhere in the neighboorhood of 40K a year, if he found himself a good network

Habermann: he'd be on track to make a killing by the end of this year if he could

Habermann: but he's still too much of a fucking coward to attach his name to anything / take any responsibility for his actions

duwango (×?×): Naturally

duwango (×?×): I got one thing I wanna show ya

duwango (×?×): https://storify.com/strictmachine/gameovergate

Habermann: yeah, i checked all this out

duwango (×?×): ah lol

Habermann: to her credit, zoe is proper old-school internet

Habermann: she ain't no slouch or dummy

Habermann: depression quest might not be the most exciting game of 2013, and it probably devalues steam by being featured on there

Habermann: bu i can respect what she was going for

duwango (×?×): I like how idiots are still fretting over Anita, no matter how harmless she is

Habermann: 4chan absolutely chose the wrong lady to target in this case

duwango (×?×): I never watched her videos, mainly due to lack of interest

Habermann: and anita is an idiot, no doubt

Habermann: she subscribes to a very bad branch of feminism

Habermann: the "women shouldn't make any effort to take on masculine traits" school of thought

Habermann: for example, she wouldn't want women to join the military

Habermann: or even to carry guns

Habermann: which is why a lot of wiser feminists even distance themselves from her

duwango (×?×): good for them

Habermann: but all that being said, fuck anyone who would deliberately harass anita

duwango (×?×): all of this zoe drama kind of left me on a burnout

duwango (×?×): not due to all the morons fretting over "gaming industry is doomed"

duwango (×?×): rather, I'm currently reevaluating my political views

Habermann: not to take up too much more of either of our time tonight, but i can tell you this

Habermann: it's one thing to be fiscally right-wing or whatever, and there are legitimate arguments to be had on that behalf

Habermann: once upon a time, that was actually the single major distinction between both parties, even!

Habermann: shit like anarchy obviously isn't a proper substitute, and yes there are liberals who take shit too far

duwango (×?×): I'm defnitely fiscally right-wing, but socially? I doubt it would work outside of christian circles.

duwango (×?×): I'm an apatheist anyway, so I can't really call myself a conservative

Habermann: but on the other hand, i wanna be where there's room for everyone

Habermann: i wanna associate with the people who are willing to associate with all people

Habermann: and right now, that's not the right or even the political left

duwango (×?×): If I were to label myself, it would be just independent

Habermann: independent is the closest you'll get for now

Habermann: until the whole system implodes on itself lol

duwango (×?×): if it hasn't already

duwango (×?×): our humble blue orb is one tangled mess

duwango (×?×): or maybe it's just my mind needing a complete reboot

Habermann: and if the only requirement for me to join the liberals is to clean up my language a bit, and try to consider other peoples feelings? i can work with that

Habermann: but the way things are shaping up, we're either about to enter a brand new era of equality and acceptance

duwango (×?×): I don't personally believe in equality and acceptance

Habermann: orrr ultra-fascism at the hands of a new regime that accepts no weakness

duwango (×?×): not because I look down upon those ideals

duwango (×?×): I'm sure that to some extent, they might work

duwango (×?×): but people will always be destined to fuck over each other

duwango (×?×): but hey, never say never.

Habermann: yeah, but at least under equality, the motivations will be more clear lol

duwango (×?×): personally, i just want to be left the frick alone

duwango (×?×): people don't get on my case, and I won't get on their case

Habermann: you can always live in the woods for the time being lol

duwango (×?×): I already miss living in the surburb lol

Habermann: at any rate, time for me to sleep. 'night and all that

duwango (×?×): Have a good night, and thanks for the chat!

duwango (×?×): We'll continue tomorrow

duwango (×?×): and I'll see the other portions I'll need to address by then

duwango (×?×): anyway, take it easy!