#cicadaphilosophy logs

(19:21:11) Тема для #cicadaphilosophy: Who is cicada? What are their motivations? What are their goals?
(19:21:11) Topic for #cicadaphilosophy set by eoss!~e0s@pdpc/supporter/student/eoss at 11:16:17 on 23.01.2014
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(0:17:54) strange_tcyborg: eoss, i did see this for a moment
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(6:30:23) ksihkehe: What goes on. Are there ideas and speculation about the motivations of Cicada?
(6:34:06) strange_tcyborg: most are here
(6:34:56) ksihkehe: I'm afraid I do not understand that statement. Most are here? Here for what?
(6:36:25) ksihkehe: Philosophy I hope, but expand upon your statement.
(6:47:18) circ: Different ideas exist on who is behind this and for what purpose.
(6:49:17) ksihkehe: Naturally. I'd love to hear them.
(6:49:50) circ: I personally believe Cicada 3301 is a recruitment for Silent Circle.
(6:50:32) ksihkehe: What is silent circle?
(6:50:36) circ: Google it
(6:51:45) ksihkehe: I already did.
(6:52:08) ksihkehe: I'd still like to hear your opinion.
(6:53:52) circ: If you've been engaged in some of the cicada challenges and brush up on Silent Circle it fits perfectly together in my opinion.
(6:59:51) ksihkehe: I believe the silent circle I came across may be different from the one you're speaking of. I'm quite familiar with every cycle of the Cicada "challenge". I'd still like clarification.
(7:03:07) circ: Silent Circle is a company started by the inventor of PGP, Phil Zimmermann.
(7:03:21) circ: Their current big project is https://www.blackphone.ch/
(7:07:05) circ: I will admit that this is a guesstimate.
(7:10:58) ksihkehe: Breaking encryption is not the same as creating it. Mathematicians are far better at calculating the ways of encryptions than puzzle solvers. Creating a puzzle and solving a puzzle are not the same.
(7:12:57) circ: Fair enough. So what are your thoughts?
(7:14:52) circ: When I first heard of Cicada back in the days I have to admit I immediately though of David M?nnich.
(7:15:09) circ: But I don't know.
(7:15:56) ksihkehe: I believe that either the current puzzle has no solution due to media exposure or they're recruiting based on another criteria this time.
(7:16:22) circ: Again, it fits Silent Circle.
(7:22:59) ksihkehe: Explain this silent circle to me. It appears that the information online is not sufficient.
(7:27:24) circ: https://silentcircle.com/web/founders-leadership/
(7:28:07) circ: You will find cryptographers, ex-Navy Seals, ex-SAS soldiers and stuff like that
(7:37:34) ksihkehe: Meh, read enough. Not in any way convinced this is Cicada.
(7:41:20) circ: So what are your thoughts on who's behind it?
(7:42:53) ksihkehe: The who is indiscernible, which is the point.
(7:46:42) circ: So what are your thoughts on the purpose of the puzzles?
(7:58:44) ksihkehe: Engagement.
(8:00:26) ksihkehe: I am still, honestly, not certain what the Silent Circle is and would most like to know. The google searches I did seemed to be irrelevant.
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(8:05:21) teefs: ksihkehe: serious tho, wind is big troll
(8:05:30) teefs: most success troll for 2 yrs of this game
(8:08:31) ksihkehe: I'm afraid you do not understand. Cicada isn't a members only club. The greatest deception is to appear as though there is none.
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(8:55:07) strange_tcyborg: ksihkehe: most ideas and speculations about the motivations of cicada are done by most people present in this chan
(8:55:33) ksihkehe: Huh?
(8:56:23) ksihkehe: I suggested the channel for a reason. I have no idea what the comment you made means.
(8:56:34) strange_tcyborg: circ, i believe the silent circle is behind the dark mail project. it's beleived to be very crypto and very cool, but i really don't know much more
(8:58:49) strange_tcyborg: ok, we seem confused. please, try to formulate what is unclear in my comment, and i'll try my best to clarify it
(9:00:46) ksihkehe: What exactly is the silent circle? I looked it up online and am really fucking confused. What is it exactly? Instead of telling me to look into it, which seems to be a clusterfuck, just tell me.
(9:03:57) strange_tcyborg: disclaimer: i don't really know it myself in as much detail as other people here seem to have, BUT: silent circle is a company that is comprised of various people -- crypto people, coders, tech-savvy people, military/ex-military people, you name it -- who are strongly pro-crypto and pro-privacy. they try to come up with solutions that implement these ideals
(9:04:19) strange_tcyborg: did i clarify anything?
(9:05:25) strange_tcyborg: http://darkmail.info/  they're doing this, for example
(9:06:43) ksihkehe: It seems possible.
(9:06:56) eoss: circ: good theory
(9:07:10) eoss: aren't they in the process of making some kind of 'unhackable' phone?
(9:07:57) strange_tcyborg: they seem to be in that process constantly :-)
(9:08:05) strange_tcyborg: but i don't really know
(9:08:16) ksihkehe: That came onto the market in the past week or two. Forget the name.
(9:08:54) eoss: http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/15/blackphone/
(9:09:33) strange_tcyborg: from what i've heard, it is a really secure phone
(9:10:12) strange_tcyborg: or, to be more of a precise ass-hole, a phone with no vulnerabilities found and made public yet
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(9:23:02) ksihkehe: I'd like to hear some philosophy. Any ideas out there?
(9:23:31) strange_tcyborg: ok. some philosophy regarding what?
(9:24:06) ksihkehe: WTF do you think? Cicada.
(9:25:51) strange_tcyborg: firstly, you have to be more specific, secondly, i highly recommend (re-)reading this chan's logs which i can e-mail you if you don't have them, and, of course, swearing isn'g gonna get you far
(9:26:38) ext: i'd like to read the log, can you upload it rather than email?
(9:27:39) strange_tcyborg: well, i take it back a little bit when i conveyed a message of it being easy. but i'll try anyway
(9:29:17) strange_tcyborg: ok, there's about 300 KB of logs with local timestamps and russian technical logs. otherwise it might be useful
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(9:32:35) ksihkehe: This "chan" was created because I suggested it. Further, if you have some grand idea I would think you'd like to share it. If you're sitting in the "chan" with nothing happening, based on the FUCKING logs, then I would expect you might want to share the opinion you have. Swearing doesn't get me get me far. but I'm an ASSHOLE... but I hope you do't hold it against me.
(9:33:02) jd123u: Asshole is part of the system, it's very important.
(9:33:09) jd123u: Without it, we cannot expel waste.
(9:33:24) ksihkehe: Seriously though, I'm an asshole.
(9:33:43) jd123u: I think that's okay. That's all I'm saying :)
(9:34:15) jd123u: In fact, it's more than okay, it's necessary.
(9:35:45) strange_tcyborg: ok, re-iterating, in a nutshell: my view is cicada are a neo-platonic conspirac-y cypherpunk/libertarian think tank, or any group to that effect. is that enoigh?
(9:37:06) ksihkehe: That was pretty damn concise Strange... probably the most concise I've seen... now, was it that hard?
(9:37:22) ksihkehe: You should cut that for future pastes
(9:38:26) strange_tcyborg: oh, all right) it wasn't that hard, and if you took any offense, i ddidn't mean it
(9:38:58) jd123u: maybe we should rename this channel #cicadaSoapOpera
(9:39:17) strange_tcyborg: the reason for me not having those replies in some plase that'd be easy to paste from is my imagination: such a place would become huge and useless, in it
(9:39:33) ***eoss yells out, 'Encore! Encore! Bravo!'
(9:39:40) ksihkehe: I love you too, though perhaps it should be a love triangle as jd suggested.
(9:40:05) jd123u: Why stop with 3 points? Let's make a love pentagram
(9:40:14) jd123u: it's probably more suited to this thing anyway
(9:40:23) ksihkehe: Or a love tesseract.
(9:40:45) jd123u: whatever it is, it should probably have a prime number of points
(9:40:55) strange_tcyborg: oh, god. love topology in my chan? no way!
(9:41:22) jd123u: this might be getting off-topic, but has anyone here seen a movie from the 70's called The Holy Mountain?
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(9:42:43) ksihkehe: And so goes low-noise channel into the night....
(9:43:21) strange_tcyborg: jd123u: i haven't seen the movie
(9:43:36) eoss: jd123u: I have not, should we have?
(9:43:41) jd123u: possibly
(9:43:53) jd123u: at first I wanted to dismiss it as a drug-induced piece of garbage
(9:43:56) strange_tcyborg: well, there's gonna be some noise here. i wish we could collapse it wiki style
(9:44:51) ext: [cicada] probably, but for what purpose?
(9:45:20) strange_tcyborg: sorry, i didn't get the [cicada] bit
(9:45:43) eoss: Downloading
(9:46:11) ext: strange_tcyborg: a reply regarding your view
(9:50:10) strange_tcyborg: ext, thanks, now i get it. what "for what purpose?"? if you mean "why do cicada do what they do?" then, surely, i don't know, although i have my theories. if you mean "for what purpose did they form in the first place", i have my theories also. otherwise, i didn't get the question
(9:51:11) ext: for what purpose did they form in the first place
(9:52:09) ksihkehe: I wish you could take part in my private messages. That is where we winnow away the wheat from the chaff. Feel free to PM.
(9:53:29) ksihkehe: Illusions shattered... reality forever changed.
(9:53:53) strange_tcyborg: oh, i might be biased by the so called leaked e-mail of questionable authenticity, but: i think they're dissatisfied with the state of society, the internet and everything. they became dissatified an unguessable time ago, and they most probably still are, and some smaller time ago they decide to take action
(9:56:24) eoss: ^
(9:57:13) jd123u: "Dissatisfied" seems to imply some sort of malice or ill-will. I don't really get that... my sense of what is being conveyed is that this is simply nature taking its course. It's very neutral.
(9:57:23) eoss: "Let us, if we must have great actions, make our own so. All action is of an infinite elasticity, and the least admits of being inflated with the celestial air until it eclipses the sun and moon. Let us seek one peace by fidelity. Let me heed my duties. Why need I go gadding into the scenes and philosophy of Greek and Italian history, before I have justified myself to my benefactors? How dare I read Washington's campaigns, when I have not
(9:57:23) eoss:  answered the letters of my own correspondents? Is not that a just objection to much of our reading? It is a pusillanimous desertion of our work to gaze after our neighbours. It is peeping."
(9:58:10) eoss: "We are the photometers, we the irritable goldleaf and tinfoil that measure the accumulations of the subtle element. We know the authentic effects of the true fire through every one of its million disguises."
(9:58:23) eoss: lol, emerson was a genius
(9:59:40) strange_tcyborg: jd123u: i didn't imply any ill-will. i meant that they observed the state of %see above%, and thought that... let's put it like  "humanity should live like that"
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(10:00:42) ***eoss turns on Holy Mountain
(10:00:50) strange_tcyborg: i have no idea what pusillanimous means. that alone tells me he was a genius)
(10:00:57) jd123u: Yeah, my bad. Language sucks :P
(10:01:02) ksihkehe: Consider me afk for some time.... working with a few PM's
(10:01:07) strange_tcyborg: ok
(10:03:38) jd123u: Hope you enjoy, eoss. I can't decide what I think about it yet... only seen it once. I judged it harshly the first time; but as I got farther, I found it more interesting.
(10:06:27) eoss: jd123u: I already want to skip ahead
(10:06:41) jd123u: lol
(10:06:51) jd123u: Skipping ahead will accomplish nothing in this film...
(10:07:06) jd123u: If you can't make it, try again some other time, that's all I can advise.
(10:07:32) jd123u: I definitely had some moments where I paused it and resumed, and thought about just going to bed. Heh.
(10:20:15) teefs: the self-reliance book was gd
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(11:16:24) eoss: jd123u: man, wtf do you have me watching =/
(11:21:47) jd123u: I'm not sure, yet. But it's at least loosely relevant, I swear (so at least, I'm brainwashed to think so, after watching it once)
(11:24:28) jd123u: But hey, there's a whole channel here, let's get this shit going! Cicada philosophy, go!
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