[22:18:38]	Keileon	Oh right certain special cases on Euthora involve Shapeshifters as legitimate pets
[22:18:47]	Keileon	ie david
[22:19:06]	Shadow	David was a pet?
[22:19:12]	Shadow	I didn't know this
[22:19:22]	Keileon	Yeah we were hashing out details of his backstory a while back
[22:19:27]	Starr	Being euthora shapeshifter is suffering
[22:19:45]	Keileon	David's also Seotaran so at least he didn't deal with racism
[22:19:51]	Starr	good thing the syel shifters were a bit too alpha to have ever been brought down to pet-level
[22:20:59]	Shadow	Oh right Syel has Shapeshifter
[22:21:00]	Shadow	s
[22:21:21]	Starr	they aren't as angst angst angst alone-type
[22:21:22]	Keileon	I don't get the difference between Candor and Speciem
[22:21:34]	Shadow	I was just about to say something like that LOL
[22:21:38]	Starr	Metabolism for them is much slower
[22:21:45]	Keileon	Neither are most Euthoran Shapeshifters
[22:21:58]	Keileon	Jason's just... well, jason
[22:22:36]	Starr	I'd give them more differences to warrant a different name but I do come up on a blank
[22:22:37]	Keileon	I should note a good 70% of Jason's personality comes from the fact that he's a /dragon/ though
[22:24:02]	Shadow	You should. The difference is so small that the fact they have different names is... lol
[22:24:09]	Starr	it's just: More communal. A bit too communal. Can take up abomination forms, or forms of the cursed where people craft monsters on the expense of actual people, Frozen hearts and puppets (mentally said puppies)
[22:24:27]	Starr	Aaaand they evolved to be able to go without eating for a great amount of time
[22:24:35]	Starr	mostly because of circumstances back then and they just adapted
[22:25:00]	Shadow	Oh now /that's/ interesting for example
[22:25:02]	Keileon	^
[22:25:06]	Starr	so along with that they found themselves doing a bit better if they stayed in a pack
[22:25:26]	Starr	Or send off one of their own to a pack of, idk dragons, then invading them for foods
[22:25:28]	Shadow	Contrasts with Speciem's need to eat every... 5-6 hours?
[22:25:32]	Keileon	No
[22:25:39]	Keileon	About 4.5 days
[22:25:40]	Starr	because Syel was at a shitty SHITTY state (wasn't it 4)
[22:25:45]	Starr	aha
[22:25:57]	Keileon	Contrasted to a human's ability to go over a month
[22:26:06]	Shadow	Oh, days. Fuck
[22:26:16]	Starr	Overpopulation of predators made it almost impossible for like, anyone to get a decent meal often so
[22:26:35]	Keileon	Why don't predators eat each other
[22:26:40]	Keileon	Speciem does that
[22:26:42]	Keileon	:P
[22:27:46]	Starr	Well, when you have highly dangerous RADICAL DRAGINS, wolves that can fuck around with magic and can very well defend themselves, and humans who were growing even more dangerous with their power, sometimes they had a hard time too even with forms. Though I wont say they've never tried that and didn't succeed. I'm sure it's happened
[22:28:03]	Starr	just that there was too many of the "not so easy to hunt" guys
[22:28:12]	Keileon	Ah
[22:28:36]	Keileon	Meanwhile Speciem is a legit apex predator so I guess that's fair
[22:28:37]	Starr	So shapeshifters there would just like...do what I said above
[22:28:50]	Starr	invade a pack, steal their shit, gain new forms, steal more of their shit
[22:28:59]	Keileon	Huh
[22:29:07]	Keileon	So, scavenger predators?
[22:29:18]	Starr	They were coordinated and relied on wits to get their food
[22:29:36]	Starr	Do speciem have a hierarchy in packs?
[22:29:38]	Keileon	Pack-based scavengers, rather. I like it
[22:29:46]	Keileon	No, Speciem is solitary
[22:29:51]	Starr	Ah
[22:29:51]	Starr	Okay
[22:30:36]	Starr	They organize themselves based on both forms, intelligence, endurance, and general ability to know what they're doing
[22:31:29]	Starr	So like, a shapeshifter who focuses more on quick little fuckers like snow mice (original amirite) or Gallrunners (bird like speedy things), they tend to be out in the field more
[22:31:40]	Keileon	Wild Shapeshifters are naturally intelligent enough to problem solve, but I imagine Candor takes to sapience more easily than Speciem or Fantastica?
[22:31:58]	Starr	Pretty sure
[22:32:18]	Starr	If they organize together this well and outsmart their way into not getting owned by the other top predators, I'd guess
[22:33:28]	Shadow	Interesting. Yeah, they differentiate a lot from the other two now
[22:33:42]	Starr	After things started to get better in that world (rather, the north wasn't entirely snowland anymore and was better), Shapeshifters still kind of stuck to the south. Some did move northward but they actually began to decline in features they once needed to survive in the south
[22:34:15]	Starr	Kinda like if you stick a skinny guy who was doing fine with just eating salads his entire life to a McDonnalda
[22:34:17]	Starr	s
[22:34:25]	Starr	After a while they just go "nope"
[22:34:36]	Starr	If...that makes sense

[22:36:18]	Starr	In a way their slow metabolism, I'd imagine, wouldn't be such a good thing in a place where the food is at least a bit more available
[22:37:07]	Keileon	Imagine if we threw Charles Darwin into the Manaverse
[22:37:15]	Starr	"The fuck is this shit"
[22:37:20]	Starr	"Humans fucking serpents? What?"
[22:37:24]	Shadow	LMAO
[22:37:26]	Starr	"And then it turns into a dragon?"
[22:37:26]	Keileon	He'd take notes on Speciem and Candor, then proceed to be eaten by Fantastica
[22:37:28]	Starr	"What?"
[22:37:43]	Starr	"They're like, not even in the same egg group!"
[22:37:53]	Shadow	TIL that Candor are morbidly obese
[22:37:58]	Keileon	Suddenly Pokemo-- LOL
[22:38:00]	Starr	LMFAO
[22:38:15]	Starr	I imagine that happening in the North if no precautions are taken
[22:38:20]	Shadow	I mean
[22:38:22]	Starr	I mean, there ARE some in the north
[22:38:26]	Shadow	Slow metabolism + lots of food
[22:38:32]	Starr	the Susivor Four are a TACTICAL SHAPESHIFTER GROUP OF THE NORTH
[22:38:37]	Keileon	Maybe they hibernate
[22:38:51]	Starr	Hm
[22:39:00]	Keileon	... wait i was joking
[22:39:13]	Starr	Maybe this is why Minaro, despite being able to settle in a place close by where food is abundant
[22:39:19]	Starr	chose to live in Anarchy's Nest
[22:39:26]	Starr	which food is barely there
[22:39:28]	Keileon	o
[22:39:32]	Starr	(minaro who amirite)
[22:39:48]	Starr	I wish I can use him
[22:39:50]	Shadow	I was just typing "w" when I remembered
[22:39:53]	Starr	He's kinda cool
[22:40:04]	Starr	Not every day you have a cyborg shapeshifter to an extent
[22:40:20]	Keileon	How does that work exactly
[22:40:37]	Shadow	I'd assume magitech and shit
[22:40:41]	Starr	Bingo
[22:40:43]	Keileon	I feel like the cyborg parts would break when the Shapeshifter changes-- ah right
[22:41:03]	Shadow	Because otherwise you could kill yourself if the cyborg parts don't shift with you
[22:41:18]	Starr	I just say cyborg mostly because it's just his arm and part of his bottom jawline that's tech
[22:41:40]	Starr	explained in QI sooN probably
[22:41:52]	Shadow	He appears in QI?
[22:42:08]	Starr	He was part of original ZSU, and also has story value with the first villain arc
[22:42:13]	Shadow	Ah
[22:42:15]	Shadow	sooN
[22:42:16]	Starr	Hell his THING is their prequel
[22:42:31]	Starr	literally ends with that starting scene for QI RP
[22:42:34]	Starr	exactly at that moment
[22:42:38]	Shadow	Now for the species gauntlet: Jason vs Minaro vs Slash
[22:42:39]	Shadow	rip
[22:42:45]	Starr	Slash wins
[22:42:52]	Keileon	Shadow what kind of physiological/behavioral differences are there between Fantastica and Speciem
[22:42:58]	Starr	Though Minaro can fuck around with his magicks arm
[22:43:02]	Keileon	(and Candor)
[22:43:12]	Starr	I think Candor has been explained in that
[22:43:21]	Starr	I can see Candor is the socially adept one
[22:43:26]	Keileon	No I mean Fantastica vs Candor
[22:43:30]	Starr	mostly because in a survival sense they needed it
[22:43:33]	Starr	Oh
[22:44:01]	Starr	Candor has no stops with monsters. They can assume those forms rather well, and even with otherworldly forces such as Oriphyrin
[22:44:04]	Keileon	I know Fantastica's the most feral
[22:45:00]	Shadow	Well, if Speciem are the loner teenager angst people, and Candor are the civilized communal ones, then Fantastica are like the serial killers
[22:45:31]	Keileon	pleasant
[22:45:49]	Starr	I ANGST ALONE
[22:46:33]	Keileon	though again the angst thing is mostly jason because dragon
[22:46:43]	Starr	Actually now I kinda wanna see a Candor interact with Tobias
22:46:45]	Starr	ALSO
[22:46:51]	Starr	I thought Dragons of all things would be
[22:46:53]	Starr	like
[22:46:54]	Dark	Also Starr, failing Magitech, there's always nanites :U
[22:46:59]	Starr	the OPPOSITE of angsty loners
[22:47:10]	Starr	It's prolly a mix of it dark
[22:47:12]	Keileon	Most saurian dragons are not communal
[22:47:19]	Keileon	Wyverns yeah
[22:47:26]	Keileon	That's about it
[22:47:30]	Shadow	The problem here is that they're blatantly dangerous monsters at the core. Even Slash, who's been exposed to civilization and human behavior for years (enough for him to gain sapience), has a pretty warped psychology in some aspects
[22:47:31]	Starr	maybe some nanomachine, son's just to be a medium for his DNA things
[22:47:52]	Starr	also ah
[22:48:03]	Starr	Hey so
[22:48:05]	Starr	if I'm remembering correctly
[22:48:16]	Starr	A shapeshifter's base form kind of determines their personality, right?
[22:48:30]	Keileon	Darkwings are known to be- yes- aggressive and territorial too
[22:48:33]	Shadow	And if his link to Mya wasn't passively keeping him "in check", he'd eventually succumb to his monster instincts and try to kill someone
[22:48:35]	Starr	Huh...
[22:48:40]	Shadow	That's why I said they were the serial killers
[22:48:51]	Starr	Not entirely aware of how a Puma acts but...I know they're somewhat solitary
[22:48:52]	Keileon	Jason's a Darkwing, Slash is a Banether...
[22:49:02]	Starr	which would somewhat work against his communal thing
[22:49:14]	Starr	though he IS tolerant of people living in his territory
[22:49:36]	Starr	he just prefers to not be near them much and sleep in his cave all day and hunt at night
[22:49:46]	Starr	(Minaro's base form, obviously as i've now said it, is a puma)
[22:49:58]	Keileon	Cougars <3
[22:50:07]	Starr	They ARE nocturnal hunters right?
[22:50:18]	Starr	just making sure I at least had that part down
[22:50:27]	Keileon	I don't think so but idk
[22:50:36]	Starr	okay
[22:50:53]	Keileon	Shapeshifters are good with low light anyway
[22:51:01]	Starr	I think out of the very little species I've used in this group, Shapeshifters are definitely at my top 3
[22:51:08]	Starr	Oh man low light
[22:51:12]	Keileon	They're fun
[22:51:37]	Starr	Speaking of, I guess because of living in perpetual snow (most of the time), it's been darker there and therefore their lowlight would have been a bit more amplified
[22:51:52]	Starr	or idk
[22:52:07]	Keileon	Amusing since their species name means "wild bright changes"
[22:52:44]	Starr	mine says "wild whiteness"
[22:52:55]	Starr	hurdurhurdur
[22:52:56]	Starr	i'm so fucking subtle
[22:53:45]	Shadow	Except I think the name literally means "wild brightness"

[22:57:06]	Shadow	I'm intrigued though, how would Candor fare against Fantastica in terms of monsters
[22:57:19]	Starr	>going against a Shadow-developed thing
[22:57:21]	Starr	of course badly
[22:57:39]	Shadow	dat bias
[22:57:51]	Starr	Not even gonna try to look into that
[22:58:15]	Shadow	this is why you suck
[22:58:21]	Starr	Phantasian monsters just seem beyond what I can make so I'm sure Candor wouldn't have much of a fun time
[22:58:35]	Shadow	I didn't really mean it like that though
[22:58:40]	Starr	Frozen Hearts, probably giving them a fighting chance but
[22:58:41]	Shadow	I meant more like shifting capabilities
[22:58:46]	Starr	it's a common shift
[22:58:56]	Starr	just that they can actually fuck around with how they form
[22:59:07]	Starr	instead of a core they can /walk around stomping shit/ if they want to
[22:59:45]	Shadow	Since you mentioned Candor has "no stops" with monsters, I was wondering how that would compare against Fantastica
[23:00:09]	Shadow	Seeing as Syel has crazy shit like Frozen Hearts and Oriphyrin, I think they'd be pretty close
[23:01:43]	Starr	In order to at least keep themselves afloat in an environment where they can probably get fucked over if they don't structure themselves properly, they do (idk the word for it so) take advantage of the strange anomalies that tend to form there
[23:02:01]	Starr	because they see that the other guys can't always handle them

[23:02:21]	Starr	Okay I'm on it
[23:02:22]	Starr	I just
[23:02:29]	Starr	I'm into this shapeshifter convo
[23:02:45]	Keileon	I'm logging the convo btw for wiki use

[23:03:05]	Shadow	And thinking about it, I should have had Mya get that Frozen Heart when I had the chance
[23:03:07]	Shadow	fuq
[23:03:21]	Starr	Candors can get to it easier
[23:03:53]	Starr	not saying quicker but it's manageable to the point where they can completely retrofit it's structure to suit their own preferences
[23:04:27]	Shadow	She probably would have turned it into something nifty like a pendant