- IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July st, 2009
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- trmanco http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2316&blogid=14#tsb Jul 01 00:07
- trmanco see how troll jump into this Jul 01 00:07
- trmanco trolls* Jul 01 00:07
- schestowitz "Justan Admin ought to know that every time you patch you risk busting something elsewhere in your operation. People aren't stupid. Patches don't get applied because IT administrators or are lazy. They aren't applied because they risk screwing up your day-to-day business systems. " Jul 01 00:13
- schestowitz Maybe the PR/spinners Jul 01 00:13
- tabletop Its not realy a "hidden" cost everyone knows about it, Jul 01 00:13
- schestowitz "As Linux runs most of the internet, and is installed on millions of desktops around the world, it is obvious that someone would have a lot to gain by trawling these machines for useful data (credit card numbers mainly). But it hasn't happened yet. Why not?" Jul 01 00:13
- schestowitz "Manchester is my home town, its a shame that despite having the first Linux Distro ever (well done Owen, I'll remind you again next time I see you) and having the first LUG ever, we get into the free software news due to Conficker and Microsoft. Oh dear." Jul 01 00:14
- neighborlee good point about apache. Jul 01 00:15
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- tabletop if you believe that about apache dont do a google search of "apache servers defaced" then. Jul 01 00:19
- schestowitz tabletop:=Mutex Jul 01 00:20
- schestowitz Goodbye, nymshifting troll. Jul 01 00:21
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- *schestowitz has kicked tabletop from #boycottnovell (schestowitz) Jul 01 00:21
- tacone mah Jul 01 00:21
- tacone exploites happen Jul 01 00:22
- schestowitz He keeps changing names and I don't keep up Jul 01 00:22
- schestowitz He has used like 7 names so far. scroll up and see what he does Jul 01 00:22
- tacone it's just they're much less than on windows Jul 01 00:22
- schestowitz Pro-MS even Jul 01 00:22
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- schestowitz Who wants op? I'll need another while I'm away Jul 01 00:22
- tacone http://www.stefanoforenza.com/5-easy-steps-to-flip-a-burger-1-easy-step-to-eat-it/ Jul 01 00:23
- tacone I would, but I'll leave on friday as well :) Jul 01 00:23
- tacone and I'm not that often online recently, so not for me Jul 01 00:23
- schestowitz trmanco: want op? Jul 01 00:24
- schestowitz To keep the BigPong(Scum) out? Jul 01 00:24
- neighborlee I dont get it...why bother changing names...doesnt' sound very confident , but then why would he when he goes attacking for a living I guess ;) Jul 01 00:24
- neighborlee schestowitz, I can help if need be Jul 01 00:24
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- schestowitz Will you be online all the time? Jul 01 00:24
- neighborlee no Jul 01 00:24
- neighborlee sadly no Jul 01 00:25
- schestowitz MinceR is always here, but he's aggressive Jul 01 00:25
- neighborlee my offer stands but as backup basically ;) Jul 01 00:25
- neighborlee extra eye- Jul 01 00:25
- *schestowitz gives channel operator status to neighborlee Jul 01 00:26
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- schestowitz ChanServ doesn't do it. Jul 01 00:26
- schestowitz Anyway, I'll be here tomorrow, still Jul 01 00:26
- schestowitz gn Jul 01 00:26
- neighborlee gn ;) Jul 01 00:27
- tacone Microsoft reccomends Knoppix to fix Windows http://www.techsupportforum.com/microsoft-support/windows-xp-support/138479-installation-pro-sp2-hangs-34-minutes-installing-devices.html Jul 01 00:33
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- _Goblin What a great find...lol..MS recommends Linux! Jul 01 00:40
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- tacone they just can't do a livecd Jul 01 00:42
- neighborlee _Goblin, lol yeah how ironic ;0- Jul 01 00:47
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Wikipedia keeps the truth from everyone http://notnews.today.com/?p=546 Jul 01 01:07
- seller_liar please someone update mono applications link in wiki Jul 01 01:07
- seller_liar I have created a "criticism " tab , but someone needs to move the information Jul 01 01:07
- tacone offlining. bye Jul 01 01:08
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Software Patents in Europe via caselaw of a Central Patent Court: http://bit.ly/mdgSu Jul 01 01:17
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Seems that questions to the ECJ on UPLS has been approved and sent on Friday by the Council of Ministers Jul 01 01:17
- _Goblin Right im off to bed...Neighborlee, I'm pleased Roy is sharing the troll watch duties with you. See you all on Wednesday...Tally ho... Jul 01 01:17
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- tessier How are things in bnland? Jul 01 01:30
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- _Hicham_ Hi All! Jul 01 02:15
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- yuhong http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/6/28/269 Jul 01 02:27
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- hicham no one in here? Jul 01 02:30
- *hicham is now known as _Hicham_ Jul 01 02:31
- oiaohm Hi _Hicham_ Jul 01 02:31
- _Hicham_ Hi oiaohm Jul 01 02:31
- _Hicham_ how r u doing? Jul 01 02:31
- oiaohm Fine Jul 01 02:31
- _Hicham_ just woke up? Jul 01 02:32
- neighborlee hi guys Jul 01 02:33
- _Hicham_ hi neighborlee Jul 01 02:33
- _Hicham_ oiaohm : Firefox 3.5 is out Jul 01 02:33
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- _Hicham_ I am gonna compile firefox 3.5 final right now Jul 01 02:36
- _Hicham_ oiaohm : are u still here? Jul 01 02:49
- oiaohm Yep. Jul 01 02:50
- oiaohm Looks like 3.6 will have offical 64 bit firefox release at long last. Jul 01 02:51
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- _Hicham_ official binaries are only used on Windows Jul 01 03:02
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- oiaohm I would use Official firefox binaries on Linux if I had 64 bit ones so I did not have to do a path threw the 12 gates of hell to make the 32 bit version work _Hicham_ Jul 01 03:10
- twitter Remembering DSG's Vista retail losses, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/185157 Jul 01 03:16
- twitter LOL, M$'s globe does not include Asia, the Middle East and most of South America and Africa. Jul 01 03:17
- twitter http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/A_memorial_to_Encarta_Money_Bob_and_other_Microsoft_fossils49390432.html Jul 01 03:17
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- fewa ...running microsoft software Jul 01 06:00
- fewa oiaohm, you can just get the binaries off of mozilla.org build folders Jul 01 06:07
- fewa they are the same as the official Jul 01 06:07
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- fewa lol Jul 01 07:14
- fewa "In a world without fences and walls who needs gates and windows" Jul 01 07:14
- fewa I like that alot Jul 01 07:14
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- Motoko-chan Good evening Jul 01 07:15
- schestowitz Hey Jul 01 07:21
- schestowitz fewa: yes, a classic Jul 01 07:21
- MinceR more on the vista failure >> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/30/224233/One-Year-Later-Dead-XP-Still-Going-Strong?from=rss Jul 01 07:25
- schestowitz MinceR: can op be given not by that who registered a channel? Jul 01 07:26
- MinceR if they're opped, they can set +o on anyone Jul 01 07:26
- kentma1 mornin' Jul 01 07:26
- MinceR but for adding flags in ChanServ, there's a flag to allow that Jul 01 07:26
- schestowitz mikankun: seems like a Vists7 ad Jul 01 07:27
- schestowitz Let me try it Jul 01 07:27
- MinceR to me it seems like more admission that vista is a failure Jul 01 07:27
- *schestowitz gives channel operator status to MinceR Jul 01 07:27
- *ChanServ removes channel operator status from MinceR Jul 01 07:27
- schestowitz "ChanServ removes channel operator status from MinceR" Jul 01 07:27
- MinceR maybe you have some setting that makes ChanServ keep ops out of the hands of those who don't have the flag? Jul 01 07:28
- MinceR 084627 [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- SECURE Prevents unauthorized users from gaining operator status. Jul 01 07:28
- MinceR well, then you can prevent ops from opping more people :) Jul 01 07:29
- schestowitz How can this be changed? Jul 01 07:29
- schestowitz I'd need to call in [h]omer Jul 01 07:29
- MinceR i think it's /cs set #boycottnovell secure off Jul 01 07:29
- -ChanServ-The SECURE flag has been removed for channel #boycottnovell. Jul 01 07:29
- *schestowitz gives channel operator status to MinceR Jul 01 07:29
- schestowitz OK, thanks. It works now Jul 01 07:29
- MinceR :) Jul 01 07:30
- schestowitz I asked because I need someone to watch over it while I'm on break and you're among the few people who are here 24/7. You also know IPs of trolls like _Mutex_ (who comments in BN now) Jul 01 07:30
- kentma1 Mutex? hmmm,.....# Jul 01 07:31
- MinceR ok, i'll watch them Jul 01 07:31
- schestowitz kentma1: he had like 7 names Jul 01 07:31
- kentma1 wow Jul 01 07:31
- kentma1 dedication! Jul 01 07:31
- schestowitz He tried proxies, other services, etc. It's like a Gary Stewart Jul 01 07:31
- schestowitz Perception management Jul 01 07:31
- MinceR we don't have a lot to identify mutex though, the only thing i've seen is that he was the only one from bigpond Jul 01 07:31
- schestowitz Yes, also in his comments. Jul 01 07:31
- kentma1 the name is a clue of sorts, anyway - mutex was the name MS came up with to avoid using the term "spinlock", I believe. Jul 01 07:32
- MinceR interesting Jul 01 07:32
- kentma1 I think the MS marketing machine thought the term "spinlock" to be too negative. Jul 01 07:33
- MinceR lol Jul 01 07:33
- kentma1 btw - what was multios? Jul 01 07:34
- MinceR never heard of it Jul 01 07:34
- kentma1 well, you probably won't now. apparently the project was declared dead on the 29th of June Jul 01 07:35
- MinceR what was it about? Jul 01 07:35
- Motoko-chan schestowitz, if the services here have levels, you could just give them the right level to be auto-oped. Jul 01 07:35
- kentma1 http://osgeex.blogspot.com/2009/06/free-multios-decleared-dead.html Jul 01 07:35
- MinceR what i found out is that spinlock is one way to implement a mutex Jul 01 07:36
- kentma1 ah, there's more to this tale, then? Jul 01 07:36
- *schestowitz gives channel operator status to kentma1 Jul 01 07:36
- schestowitz I've just added another op just in case Jul 01 07:37
- MinceR he could have moved multios to DVD :> Jul 01 07:37
- schestowitz Too many OSes integrate poorly Jul 01 07:38
- Motoko-chan schestowitz, try Jul 01 07:38
- schestowitz Another reason not to multi-boot Linux distros Jul 01 07:38
- kentma1 :-) Jul 01 07:38
- Motoko-chan /chanserv access #boycottnovell ADD kentma1 OP Jul 01 07:38
- schestowitz Motoko-chan: let's see Jul 01 07:38
- Motoko-chan Actually, try that on kentma1. Jul 01 07:38
- Motoko-chan Then, kentma1, try re-joining Jul 01 07:38
- -ChanServ-kentma1 is not registered. Jul 01 07:39
- kentma1 you want me to leave and re-join? Jul 01 07:39
- Motoko-chan After he reports he did that. Jul 01 07:40
- Motoko-chan See if you get auto-op. Jul 01 07:40
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- Motoko-chan ... Jul 01 07:41
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Shock 'n' Roll with Firefox 3.5 http://bit.ly/ShiretokoShock #fx35 Jul 01 07:42
- trmanco heh Jul 01 07:43
- trmanco I'm sleepy :| Jul 01 07:43
- trmanco brb Jul 01 07:43
- *Motoko-chan pokes schestowitz - did you try the command? Jul 01 07:44
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Wow, I just woke up to spread some Firefox love #fx35, 8 AM here :-) Jul 01 07:47
- schestowitz Motoko-chan: he's not registered Jul 01 07:51
- Motoko-chan Ah. Jul 01 07:52
- Motoko-chan He should be. Jul 01 07:52
- Motoko-chan This network does sometimes split, and it could de-op them. Jul 01 07:52
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- kentma hi again Jul 01 08:01
- kentma that took some time... Jul 01 08:02
- Motoko-chan Sorry about that. Jul 01 08:02
- Motoko-chan I was told you aren't registered here anyway. Jul 01 08:02
- Motoko-chan Which kinda defeats the point of auto-op Jul 01 08:02
- kentma ah, good point! Jul 01 08:03
- kentma no worries. Jul 01 08:03
- kentma should I register? Jul 01 08:03
- Motoko-chan Well, if you think it's worthwhile. It means nobody else can use your name too. Jul 01 08:03
- kentma what do I do? Jul 01 08:04
- Motoko-chan /nickserv REGISTER <password> <email-address> Jul 01 08:05
- Motoko-chan You'll have to confirm the e-mail address, so use a real one. A free service is fine, as logn as you can get the message. Jul 01 08:05
- Motoko-chan From then on, you'll need to identify when you join the network. Jul 01 08:05
- kentma ok Jul 01 08:06
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- kentma It's a very long time since I've done this. Jul 01 08:06
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] We should really use #fx35 more: http://is.gd/1jKzz it's use is on a low now :-P Jul 01 08:07
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Trend for #fx35 on Twitter http://bit.ly/qp9DH &span=168 Jul 01 08:07
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- Motoko-chan schestowitz, the spam protection field seems broken for comments Jul 01 08:09
- Motoko-chan It's telling me 4 = 13 != 17 Jul 01 08:09
- Motoko-chan Um Jul 01 08:09
- Motoko-chan 4+13 != 17 Jul 01 08:09
- trmanco oops Jul 01 08:11
- trmanco :-p Jul 01 08:11
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Trend for firefox on Twitter http://bit.ly/rVdu5 #fx35 Jul 01 08:12
- schestowitz Motoko-chan: I'll disable that math trap Jul 01 08:12
- schestowitz We'll see the effect on spam Jul 01 08:12
- Motoko-chan Might just want to switch to a working calculator. Jul 01 08:13
- schestowitz OK< done Jul 01 08:13
- schestowitz Motoko-chan: seems like a bug that has existed for a while Jul 01 08:14
- twitter have not seen that bug for a while Jul 01 08:15
- twitter I'm liking this microblog service less and less Jul 01 08:15
- twitter people keep quoting it, which flags pidgin - blink, blink, blink. Jul 01 08:16
- twitter hmph Jul 01 08:16
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Watching "Internet Programming with Python" from PyCon '09. Wesley Chun is mildly amusing... Jul 01 08:17
- twitter Newsweek or Time had an iphone on the cover last week, looking at Twitter. Jul 01 08:17
- Motoko-chan Twitter is not an IM. Likewise, neither is IRC. Jul 01 08:17
- Motoko-chan This is why I do neither on Pidgin. Jul 01 08:17
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- kentma hi Jul 01 08:17
- Motoko-chan I like my Android phone. Jul 01 08:17
- kentma aha - how did you get one? I'd really like one - tried out one a friend had. Jul 01 08:17
- twitter twitter does not twitter, with pidgin or otherwise Jul 01 08:17
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- Motoko-chan I bought it. Jul 01 08:18
- *Motoko-chan has T-Mobile service Jul 01 08:19
- twitter the old media coverage of both iPhone and Twitter cemented my view of both as lame Jul 01 08:19
- Motoko-chan The iPhone is a slick little device. Jul 01 08:19
- Motoko-chan But like most Apple things is locked down beyond belief. Jul 01 08:19
- twitter it would be slicker if it were free Jul 01 08:19
- Motoko-chan The iMac is like that too. It's built to function as an appliance. Kinda like a microwave or the TV. Jul 01 08:20
- twitter iPhone is basically an updated Zaurus Jul 01 08:20
- Motoko-chan twitter, it would be more appropriate to say it's an updated Newton. Jul 01 08:20
- Motoko-chan Just don't tell Steve. Jul 01 08:20
- twitter they added better graphics, made smaller and added some nice touch screen features. Jul 01 08:21
- twitter was Newton ARM too? Jul 01 08:21
- twitter I draw the line between PDAs at wireless capability. Jul 01 08:22
- twitter I still use a tethered PDA, stand alone. Jul 01 08:22
- twitter X and wireless add a lot of power and flexibility Jul 01 08:23
- Motoko-chan Newton seems to have used the ARM 610 Jul 01 08:23
- twitter iPhone would not be so special if US telco were competitive. Jul 01 08:23
- Motoko-chan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_Newton_and_iPhone.jpg Jul 01 08:23
- Motoko-chan I used to use a Palm Vx. Jul 01 08:23
- Motoko-chan I just didn't like carrying two phones (personal and work) *and* a PDA. Jul 01 08:24
- Motoko-chan I'm now down to one device. Jul 01 08:24
- twitter I quit carrying a phone Jul 01 08:25
- Motoko-chan I'm on-call, so I have to for work. Jul 01 08:27
- twitter I still carry one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handspring_(company)#Visor_and_Visor_Deluxe Jul 01 08:28
- twitter battery life is more like three months Jul 01 08:28
- Motoko-chan I remember those. Jul 01 08:29
- kentma hmm, I have plenty of SIMs, I don't need service, just the phone. Jul 01 08:31
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft-dominated DHS Concerned About Windows Zombies http://ping.fm/jrppI Jul 01 08:37
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Kills Channel 8 and Channel 10 http://ping.fm/IVeEq Jul 01 08:37
- schestowitz I can't get whois to work on monospace.us Jul 01 08:45
- schestowitz Any help, anyone? Jul 01 08:45
- Motoko-chan You need the whois info? Jul 01 08:48
- *Motoko-chan is about to sleep... Jul 01 08:49
- Motoko-chan If you do, it's quite boring Jul 01 08:51
- Motoko-chan Looks like it's "protected" Jul 01 08:51
- Motoko-chan It's registered at ENOM via namecheap.com Jul 01 08:52
- schestowitz Hmmm... Jul 01 08:52
- schestowitz Thanks. Jul 01 08:52
- Motoko-chan All the contact info is for that company. Jul 01 08:52
- Motoko-chan DNS shows as being hosted at DreamHost. Jul 01 08:52
- Motoko-chan Shows as being registered Sun Mar 29 21:34:55 GMT 2009 Jul 01 08:53
- Motoko-chan Last update was Tue Jun 30 09:07:07 GMT 2009 Jul 01 08:53
- Motoko-chan So, something changed. Either contact info, or possibly DNS. Jul 01 08:54
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Who Promotes Mono? Microsoft and Novell http://ping.fm/WBhVU Jul 01 09:17
- trmanco schestowitz, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/28569 Jul 01 09:24
- trmanco read this Jul 01 09:24
- schestowitz trmanco: thanks Jul 01 09:28
- trmanco here is some more BS from this website http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?search-engine-market-share.aspx?qprid=4&qpmr=100&qpdt=1&qpct=3&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=125 Jul 01 09:34
- fewa M$ Jul 01 09:35
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Eminem impersonator arrested for abusing 911, claimed to have been "robbed" after receiving wrong food order. http://tinyurl.com/lr5lok Jul 01 09:37
- trmanco today is Canada day. Anybody here from Canada? Jul 01 09:40
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rob Weir Complains About Microsoft’s Manipulation of Wikipedia < http://ping.fm/vZq5d > Jul 01 09:42
- trmanco crap Jul 01 09:45
- trmanco schestowitz, the links is incomplete Jul 01 09:45
- trmanco schestowitz, this one is the right one http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/28569 Jul 01 09:46
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @Gavin_T: #fx35 #firefox Firefox 3.5, 3.5 million downloads! http://downloadstats.mozilla.com/ Jul 01 09:47
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Sabayon Linux 4.2 GNOME Features Tuz-Powered Kernel: http://is.gd/1jO4O Jul 01 09:57
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Firefox 3.5's Benchmark Scores Brutalize IE 8, Almost Tie Chrome: http://is.gd/1jOax #fx35 !firefox Jul 01 09:57
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Firefox 3.5 vs. Chrome 3 Showdown, Round 2: Are bookmarks outmoded?: http://is.gd/1jOoi #fx35 !firefox Jul 01 10:02
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- oiaohm There is still room for a lot faster yet out of firefox trmanco Jul 01 10:26
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MSCOSCONF ‘Winner’ is a Marketing Guy, Attacks FOSS http://ping.fm/Y7U5E Jul 01 10:27
- trmanco yeah, chrome is faster in some ways Jul 01 10:27
- trmanco but lacks flexibility and some functionality Jul 01 10:27
- trmanco and extensibility Jul 01 10:27
- trmanco there is a reason why most of the web developers love it Jul 01 10:28
- oiaohm chrome was ment to be a prototype. Jul 01 10:29
- trmanco there is nothing like firebug Jul 01 10:29
- oiaohm Core changes still need in firefox is spliting into threads. Jul 01 10:29
- oiaohm Opps processes. Jul 01 10:29
- oiaohm And more secuirty. Jul 01 10:29
- oiaohm In time Firefox will match or beat the prototype. Jul 01 10:30
- trmanco multi process firefox is comming Jul 01 10:30
- trmanco coming* Jul 01 10:30
- oiaohm Exactly. Jul 01 10:30
- trmanco I've already saw a video of that somewhere Jul 01 10:30
- trmanco and the non restartable extension install would be great too Jul 01 10:30
- oiaohm There is also talk of python including. Jul 01 10:31
- trmanco well, as soon as they implement multi process, I guess killing and extension will be easy Jul 01 10:31
- oiaohm Multi process will make finding extentions with issues simpler. Jul 01 10:31
- trmanco python? where? some extensions already use it Jul 01 10:31
- oiaohm Directly linked to XUL. Jul 01 10:32
- trmanco well, python need to get "the speed boost" from Google :-P Jul 01 10:33
- trmanco needs* Jul 01 10:33
- trmanco I'm not saying it's slow or anything Jul 01 10:33
- oiaohm Current release python is faster than the past one by a large margin. Jul 01 10:33
- trmanco but speed and efficiency is always welcome Jul 01 10:33
- oiaohm And they have not done the jit bit yet. Jul 01 10:33
- trmanco when will they introduce that? 4.0 (python) :-P Jul 01 10:34
- oiaohm Coverted IO access from python to C and speed everything up by at least 100 percent. Jul 01 10:34
- trmanco that's great Jul 01 10:34
- oiaohm 3.1 python is the one with a major boost. Jul 01 10:35
- oiaohm Some code sections take 1/20 of the time they did. Jul 01 10:35
- oiaohm Its going to be scary one the JIT is done. Jul 01 10:35
- oiaohm one/once Jul 01 10:35
- trmanco :-) Jul 01 10:35
- oiaohm Lot of the python interfaces that are heavly used in python are becoming pure C. Jul 01 10:36
- oiaohm So reducing the thickness of the wrappers. Jul 01 10:37
- trmanco interesting Jul 01 10:38
- trmanco more de 3.5 million downloads of Firefox 3.5 -> http://downloadstats.mozilla.com/ Jul 01 10:39
- oiaohm For me python improvements are great. The complete interface of 2.50 blender is based in python and supports edit code and see change in interface while editing. Jul 01 10:40
- trmanco it will sure speed up blender Jul 01 10:41
- oiaohm Python is slowly become the open source answer to visual basic for applications. Jul 01 10:42
- fewa and much more Jul 01 10:44
- oiaohm In one way it would be nice if python gets added to the html standard along side javascript. Jul 01 10:45
- trmanco comparing python to visual basic is like comparing a fiat to a Rolls Royce Jul 01 10:48
- oiaohm Visual basic for applications was MS idea of a universal application scripting language. Jul 01 10:50
- oiaohm Python is picking up that usage more and more. Jul 01 10:52
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rolling Stone allegedly DDoSed for negative story http://ping.fm/WGEpv Thanks to Windows zombies. Jul 01 10:57
- schestowitz Europe won't pay more for Windows 7. Really! < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/01/ms_eu_pricing_upgrade/ >. Can this be confirmed? Tacone says the opposite. Jul 01 10:57
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- fewa microsoft created,,,, universal Jul 01 11:02
- fewa more Microsoft double-speek Jul 01 11:02
- schestowitz http://identi.ca/notice/5860453 Jul 01 11:03
- schestowitz "universal"? Jul 01 11:03
- oiaohm MS has for ages changed different prices in different markets. Jul 01 11:06
- schestowitz Dynamic pricing, to exploit the most Jul 01 11:06
- oiaohm Does make off shore places with lower wages able to compete even stronger with more expensive countries. Jul 01 11:07
- fewa oiaohm, you mean like the drug companies? Jul 01 11:08
- fewa xcept, where every place on earth have no buying power, like everywhere resembles US drug prices? Jul 01 11:08
- oiaohm Also killed off commerical companies here in many fields due to charities being able to get software cheeper. Jul 01 11:08
- oiaohm Australia has lower drug prices than most other countries. Jul 01 11:09
- fewa they have collective bargaining Jul 01 11:09
- oiaohm Also the means to void patents if a company tries to walk away from the table to when talking price. Jul 01 11:10
- fewa that sounds good Jul 01 11:10
- oiaohm Price is based on the R&D costs. Jul 01 11:10
- fewa with microsoft? Jul 01 11:11
- oiaohm Our laws don't cover software. Jul 01 11:11
- fewa Microsoft cost is based on maximum extortion Jul 01 11:11
- oiaohm That is a major problem. Jul 01 11:11
- fewa something called 91% profit margin Jul 01 11:11
- oiaohm They are not getting that any more. Jul 01 11:11
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Climate Change Bill a Rorschach for Special Interests http://ping.fm/WLaMl propaganda turns truth to rtuht Jul 01 11:12
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Propagands agencies to defend unnecessary war: http://ping.fm/VVXHv Jul 01 11:12
- fewa but they were Jul 01 11:12
- fewa now they squander all that stolen money on TV ads and Google Adsense Jul 01 11:12
- fewa and lobbying Jul 01 11:12
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- schestowitz Did Apple's Vague Disclosure of Jobs' Health Violate Securities Laws? < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/did-apples-vague-disclosure-of-jobs-health-violate-securities-laws/?cs=33662 > Jul 01 11:18
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- Lich hi all Jul 01 11:31
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- schestowitz Hi, Lich Jul 01 11:44
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] [trmanco.com] Firefox 3.5…: … over the 3.5 million download mark. More here: http://downloads.. http://tinyurl.com/krnvfq Jul 01 11:53
- Lich It's pretty much better then 3.1 Jul 01 11:59
- schestowitz “The ban is primarily aimed at “gold farming,” an Internet-age phenomenon in which players in less developed countries collect and sell virtual gold (common to games like World of Warcraft) to wealthier gamers in the developed world. This enables gamers who have the means to buy virtual gold to get ahead in the games without actually having to accomplish the grunt work.” Jul 01 12:07
- schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10275180-62.html?tag=newsLatestHeadlinesArea.0 Jul 01 12:07
- schestowitz "Looks like government decision making is no better in the UK than the USA. Here in the USA we continually make bad decisions. Face it, politicians make the decisions. Politicians have absolutely no qualifications to address most of the issues that come before them. The ONLY thing they are competent in deciding is how to get re-elected (and some are not good at that either)." Jul 01 12:10
- schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-30-016-35-OS-BZ-MS-0000 Jul 01 12:10
- Lich lol Jul 01 12:11
- Lich the world is pretty much going nuts Jul 01 12:11
- schestowitz I'm downloading PCLinuxOS :-) Jul 01 12:18
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] KDE 4.3 RC1 http://is.gd/1jUKV !kde Jul 01 12:28
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @portugaltelecom: TMN lança HTC Magic,o primeiro smartphone em Portugal com a plataforma Android http://jn9.sl.pt | que venham mais... Jul 01 12:38
- schestowitz IBM takes note of Ubuntu policy on Mono. http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3714 Jul 01 12:42
- schestowitz OT: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/world/middleeast/28westbank.html?_r=3 Jul 01 12:45
- MinceR http://www.somethingawful.com/d/comedy-goldmine/deep-hurting-cartoons.php Jul 01 12:45
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- schestowitz mikankun: the first one is vicious Jul 01 13:01
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Done burning pclinuxos-2009.1.iso. I'll give it a go tomorrow. Should be fun. Jul 01 13:03
- Lich it's nice Jul 01 13:06
- Lich Altough the team had lots of problems Jul 01 13:07
- Lich in organization Jul 01 13:07
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- schestowitz MOG (the SCO/Microsoft shill): "Of course, without Microsoft propping up its Linux business, Novell would be in the tank." http://linux.sys-con.com/node/1017153 Jul 01 13:31
- trmanco http://www.blendernation.com/2009/06/28/2009-blender-f1-challenge-results/ Jul 01 13:37
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] ♺ @ruiseabra: Porque não fazer o seu site em flash? Zon 100 Megas http://is.gd/1jXIf vs Meo Fibra http://is.gd/1jXKO Jul 01 13:43
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Software Strategy (ESS) might contain patent exception of interoperability purposes. Expect Commission lobbying from the big guys. Jul 01 13:43
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- thenixedreport Hello everyone. Jul 01 13:52
- thenixedreport :) Jul 01 13:52
- thenixedreport How goes it? Jul 01 13:52
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] [trmanco.com] Firefox 3.5 in the news: Firefox 3.5 – it’s not a ‘web upgrade̵.. http://tinyurl.com/mtqrcq Jul 01 13:53
- schestowitz Hi, thenixedreport Jul 01 13:54
- thenixedreport I see that Stallman finally made a clarification in regards to Mono. Jul 01 13:55
- schestowitz Many people took the burden of explaining to people the problems with Mono, so it's long overdue. We spoke about this for 3 years Jul 01 13:55
- thenixedreport Personally, I think that Mono has been used the whole time to divide and conquer FOSS. Jul 01 13:55
- MinceR it has. Jul 01 13:55
- MinceR and it's also a trap. Jul 01 13:55
- thenixedreport (With the added bonus of lawsuit attempts) Jul 01 13:55
- thenixedreport Except that any lawsuit attempts would possibly be null and void at this point. Jul 01 13:57
- thenixedreport I'm saying this due to MS employees being directly involved with Mono. Jul 01 13:58
- MinceR at this point, yes. in the future, no. Jul 01 13:58
- thenixedreport If they're helping Mono along, why would they sue people using it later? Jul 01 13:58
- thenixedreport They would be laughed out of the courtroom, wouldn't they? Jul 01 13:58
- MinceR because they want to take down gnu/linux, whatever it takes. Jul 01 13:58
- MinceR people bringing trucks of money to the courtroom rarely get laughed out of it. Jul 01 13:59
- thenixedreport In that case, they have probably already given up on any patent suits at this point (at least, major ones). Jul 01 13:59
- thenixedreport I think I see what they're trying to do. Jul 01 13:59
- thenixedreport They're trying to infiltrate, then control any form of FOSS, to where people give up. Jul 01 13:59
- MinceR control via patents, yes Jul 01 14:00
- thenixedreport That is, they give up developing for alternative platforms. Jul 01 14:00
- thenixedreport Not necessarily patents. Jul 01 14:00
- thenixedreport At least not directly. Jul 01 14:00
- thenixedreport Mainly from FUD. Jul 01 14:00
- thenixedreport This is inspiring another blog entry. Jul 01 14:00
- thenixedreport :D Jul 01 14:00
- thenixedreport Just updated Fedora 11. Jul 01 14:00
- thenixedreport Gotta log out and then back in. Jul 01 14:00
- thenixedreport brb Jul 01 14:01
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sun Calls DOJ Slowdown of Oracle Deal Simply an Irritation < http://ping.fm/MNoX5 > Jul 01 14:03
- oiaohm Sorry thenixedreport. Novell and MS have a patent agreement. Other parties do not. Jul 01 14:03
- thenixedreport Look, I get that. Jul 01 14:04
- oiaohm Even if MS staff were working on it MS still could sue. Jul 01 14:04
- thenixedreport I understand that part. Jul 01 14:04
- oiaohm And win. Jul 01 14:04
- thenixedreport I'm also attempting to think outside the box. Jul 01 14:04
- oiaohm Thinking out side the box is what I do. Jul 01 14:04
- oiaohm Java was a pure secure object language. Jul 01 14:04
- oiaohm .net is a halfway attempt between java and native code. Jul 01 14:05
- oiaohm So there is no reason why there cannot be another attempt closer to native code. Jul 01 14:05
- thenixedreport I'm not saying that Mono doesn't have patent issues. Jul 01 14:06
- thenixedreport I'm also not saying it's a decent developer tool either. Jul 01 14:06
- thenixedreport It isn't. Jul 01 14:06
- thenixedreport Not as far as I'm concerned. Jul 01 14:06
- oiaohm Mono without patents is still harmful. Jul 01 14:06
- thenixedreport I feel that there are bigger threats at the moment. Jul 01 14:06
- thenixedreport That dwarf Mono. Jul 01 14:06
- thenixedreport Microsoft infiltrating FOSS to poison it for example. Jul 01 14:07
- thenixedreport And taking advantage of the Mono controversy. Jul 01 14:07
- oiaohm .net code cannot intergrate into gobject so effectively its sucking development pool away from the core of gnome. Jul 01 14:07
- oiaohm So weaking gnome. Jul 01 14:07
- thenixedreport Bingo. Jul 01 14:07
- thenixedreport Then what's left? Jul 01 14:07
- thenixedreport XFCE, KDE, LXDE, and E17. Jul 01 14:07
- oiaohm XFCE also depends on gobject. Jul 01 14:08
- thenixedreport XFCE relies on GTK as well. Jul 01 14:08
- oiaohm Its also sucking developers away from that. Jul 01 14:08
- thenixedreport Then there's KDE, in which people still prefer 3.5 (and others liking 4 thus far). Jul 01 14:08
- oiaohm gobject is from glib under GTK. Jul 01 14:08
- oiaohm KDE people will move on from 3.5 when time is right. Jul 01 14:08
- thenixedreport True. Jul 01 14:09
- oiaohm Basically when 4.x catchs up on the features they use. Jul 01 14:09
- thenixedreport Then there's LXDE. Jul 01 14:09
- thenixedreport I've seen the screenshots. Jul 01 14:09
- oiaohm Mono developers also tried to get hooks into KDE. Jul 01 14:09
- thenixedreport Beautiful, and I hear it can run on Pentium II's pretty quickly. Jul 01 14:09
- oiaohm KDE treats mono as any other scripting language not that important. Jul 01 14:09
- thenixedreport It's not Mono itself. Jul 01 14:10
- oiaohm You don't base core bits in Mono with KDE. Jul 01 14:10
- thenixedreport It's the people pushing it who need to be focused on. Jul 01 14:10
- thenixedreport It's also Microsoft and Windows 7. Jul 01 14:10
- thenixedreport 7 has the potential to be a serious contender (though there are some visible chinks in it). Jul 01 14:10
- oiaohm Lot of gnome developers are aware of problem. Jul 01 14:10
- oiaohm So started vala project. Jul 01 14:11
- thenixedreport That's a great way to start. Jul 01 14:11
- thenixedreport Gnote is another way to start. Jul 01 14:11
- thenixedreport Improving Anjuta wouldn't hurt either. Jul 01 14:11
- oiaohm Also vala is on a fast track for development. Jul 01 14:11
- thenixedreport Even Gambas has the option to create GTK applications. Jul 01 14:11
- thenixedreport That's good. Jul 01 14:11
- oiaohm Under 12 months to create. Jul 01 14:11
- oiaohm Gnome developers are long term beasts. Jul 01 14:12
- thenixedreport Good news. Jul 01 14:12
- oiaohm Let mono developers think they have won for now. Jul 01 14:12
- thenixedreport Maybe. Jul 01 14:12
- oiaohm Then left field them with better tech. Jul 01 14:12
- thenixedreport Also, it needs to be pointed out that the same people are pushing Mono over and over again. Jul 01 14:12
- thenixedreport Miguel himself almost had an opportunity to work for Microsoft, but he didn't fit the requirements (he had to have a degree or something to that effect). Jul 01 14:13
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- oiaohm At the need for moonlight and flash fads so will the strenth of the .net idea. Jul 01 14:14
- schestowitz thenixedreport: his colleague Nat is from Microsoft Jul 01 14:14
- thenixedreport Miguel's colleague? Jul 01 14:14
- schestowitz Ximian was made by two people: one from Microsoft, one who wanted to work for them Jul 01 14:14
- schestowitz tessier: yes Jul 01 14:15
- schestowitz Ximian's cofounder Jul 01 14:15
- thenixedreport Interesting. Jul 01 14:15
- MinceR what's he called? Jul 01 14:15
- oiaohm Migual working for MS would lose his controlling force over gnome developers thenixedreport Jul 01 14:15
- thenixedreport I understand that part. Jul 01 14:15
- oiaohm So MS could not take him and keep him as a weapon. Jul 01 14:15
- thenixedreport This was before he founded Gnome. Jul 01 14:15
- schestowitz Trust me, thenixedreport , I hate the civil wars Jul 01 14:16
- schestowitz I warn about them Jul 01 14:16
- oiaohm MS will take anyone with a good back history of work. Jul 01 14:16
- thenixedreport http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_icaza Jul 01 14:16
- oiaohm Papers are not important to them if you have good enough work history. Jul 01 14:16
- schestowitz But what are we to do when MS' manual specifies tactics to achieve this? Jul 01 14:16
- schestowitz Look what they did to OSI Jul 01 14:16
- schestowitz Now they attack ODF from the inside Jul 01 14:16
- schestowitz Read http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf Jul 01 14:17
- schestowitz See what Microsoft says Jul 01 14:17
- oiaohm I know this because the guy who designed the Linux kernel configuration system works for MS and had less bits of paper than Miguel Jul 01 14:17
- schestowitz Microsoft inherited the startegy from http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html and it is viewing it as wars with spied and turncoats Jul 01 14:17
- schestowitz *spies Jul 01 14:17
- oiaohm He could have only failed on two grounds. Jul 01 14:17
- oiaohm 1 not a good enough work history. Jul 01 14:18
- schestowitz See what they do to crash conferences and panels for example Jul 01 14:18
- oiaohm 2 failed the personality test. Jul 01 14:18
- thenixedreport I have to actually lay down. Jul 01 14:18
- thenixedreport I work the night shift at my job. Jul 01 14:19
- oiaohm Supprising numbers of historic key Linux world developers work for MS. Jul 01 14:19
- thenixedreport But oiaohm, I would like to continue the conversation. Jul 01 14:19
- thenixedreport Some of the background to the Linux kernel is quite interesting indeed. Jul 01 14:19
- thenixedreport :) Jul 01 14:19
- thenixedreport I'll stay logged in. Jul 01 14:19
- thenixedreport See you all in a few hours. Jul 01 14:19
- schestowitz Cool. Jul 01 14:20
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- schestowitz DoJ to Oracle/Sun: Not so Fast, Pardners < http://www.internetnews.com/government/article.php/3827576/DoJ+to+OracleSun+Not+so+Fast+Pardners.htm > Jul 01 14:20
- schestowitz Where was the DOJ when MS aggravated Yahoo!? Jul 01 14:21
- schestowitz DOJ is like a company Jul 01 14:21
- oiaohm I would like to go through Migual_de_icaza history some time to see what new tech he as truly created. Jul 01 14:21
- schestowitz COmpanies lay some employees in there (like Barnett who worked for MS) and like Fedral Reserve they are an unregulated mafia Jul 01 14:21
- schestowitz They have 'clients' like the friends of DOJ members and they attack what they deem necessary Jul 01 14:22
- oiaohm All the work I have seen from Migual is cloning. Jul 01 14:22
- schestowitz Apple Will Never Replace Darwin With Linux < http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2009/6/26/134033/785 > Jul 01 14:23
- MinceR We Will Never Start Caring Jul 01 14:24
- schestowitz oiaohm: the MS job was for porting ('cloning) IE Jul 01 14:24
- MinceR :> Jul 01 14:24
- schestowitz COM, ActiveX, and all that... Jul 01 14:24
- oiaohm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federico_Mena He was the one behind gobject Jul 01 14:24
- schestowitz "Apple will never replace toy with a toolbox" Jul 01 14:24
- schestowitz Like the conceited little kid in the Mac ads Jul 01 14:25
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- oiaohm I really suspect migual has never been a inovateor of anything. So does not deserve to be treated as a coding god. Jul 01 14:25
- MinceR oh, it's just an useless rant by a frustrated *bsd fanboy. Jul 01 14:26
- oiaohm At best treated like AJ of the wine project. Good maintainer that is it. Jul 01 14:26
- MinceR s/an/a/ Jul 01 14:26
- schestowitz Judging by how Apple treats Webkit, I'm not sure it would help Linux much. It's a control freak. Jul 01 14:26
- MinceR it's noise. Jul 01 14:26
- schestowitz oiaohm: what about gtk/gnome? Jul 01 14:27
- oiaohm gtk and glib are Federico Mena's. Jul 01 14:28
- oiaohm Developed for gimp. Jul 01 14:28
- oiaohm Gnome is really a expand of glib tech. Jul 01 14:29
- nicktastic oiaohm: Defamation does not help your cause. Jul 01 14:29
- nicktastic The thing that bugs me about you guys is how emotional and unobjective you get over this issue. Jul 01 14:29
- oiaohm This is not Defamation nicktastic Jul 01 14:29
- oiaohm Linus and lot of other high lead coders have projects they have started. Jul 01 14:30
- oiaohm With unique designs. Jul 01 14:30
- nicktastic Whatever Jul 01 14:30
- oiaohm I don't have 1 project I can think of that mignel has done that is in that class nicktastic Jul 01 14:30
- oiaohm Reason why I said at some point I will have to go threw his history. Jul 01 14:31
- nicktastic I really don't see how that matters. You can say the same about hundreds of other FOSS developers. You just want to pick on Miguel because you don't like Mono. Jul 01 14:31
- oiaohm There are two major classes of developers. Jul 01 14:32
- oiaohm To be correct 3. Jul 01 14:32
- nicktastic And I think that hurts more than helps. Jul 01 14:32
- oiaohm Inovateors who expands tech. Jul 01 14:32
- oiaohm Maintainers who take care of tech and are good at coping projects. Jul 01 14:33
- nicktastic I don't care about the taxonomy of develoeprs. Jul 01 14:33
- nicktastic This is not relevant to the cause. Jul 01 14:33
- oiaohm And the followers. Jul 01 14:33
- oiaohm It is relevant. Jul 01 14:33
- nicktastic I disagree Jul 01 14:33
- oiaohm If a person is being classed as something they are not. Jul 01 14:33
- oiaohm They also get respected differnet ways nicktastic. Jul 01 14:35
- nicktastic eot Jul 01 14:35
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- oiaohm Lot of people follow mignel because they think he is a inovator. Jul 01 14:36
- satipera \ Jul 01 14:36
- satipera Do you know it is quite encouraging ina way that some of these products that M$ are scrapping I have never even heard of. The only reason I have heard of M$ live is because of the Bing publicity binge. Jul 01 14:39
- satipera Btw I am the most average of average linux users Jul 01 14:40
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- schestowitz satipera: yes, they spend billions on advertising Jul 01 14:44
- schestowitz If they don't advertise, it does not exist. Jul 01 14:44
- schestowitz Microsoft is buying itself coverage since, well... forever... just see Waggener E-mails.. Jul 01 14:45
- schestowitz > <antileet> I need to ask you for a favour. Unfortunately something I wrote was misrepresented and taken out of context on your weblog, and I am having a slight bit of trouble because of that. I have described my greviance in an email to you Jul 01 14:48
- schestowitz Which message was that? Jul 01 14:48
- antileet schestowitz: I contribute to some projects oout of my own interests, unfortunately the way I had written it might've been taken out of context Jul 01 14:49
- schestowitz There were some anonymous people making some comment on death chambers or something Jul 01 14:49
- schestowitz Reference to how people were executed in the 70s Jul 01 14:49
- oiaohm http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/01/1224235/BD-Resealed-Once-Again << DRM battle is being lost. Jul 01 14:49
- antileet No that wasn't me. My first name is Anirudh. I have written an email to you. Jul 01 14:50
- schestowitz The press links to that stinkin' pro-Mono material that tries to use these anonymous comments to describe us as some kind of Al Qaeda Jul 01 14:50
- schestowitz antileet: which E-mail? Jul 01 14:50
- antileet I sent it to r@schestowitz.com Jul 01 14:50
- schestowitz Today? Jul 01 14:50
- antileet About ten minutes ago, yes. Jul 01 14:50
- schestowitz BTW, the attempts to smear BN won't stop Jul 01 14:51
- schestowitz Not just because there is no censorhip/moderation Jul 01 14:51
- schestowitz They are desperate for anything that causes harm, so don't worry about it,, antileet Jul 01 14:51
- schestowitz Let me see the mail Jul 01 14:51
- antileet schestowitz: I really don't want any part in any of this. Jul 01 14:51
- antileet i was just frustrated and saddened. I'm just a student somewhere who likes to write a little code. Please read my email. Jul 01 14:52
- schestowitz If I make some remark about people putting acids in the drink of dissenters then they falsely (!!) claims that I blame Microsoft for the Reiser miurder Jul 01 14:52
- schestowitz They are very imaginatory at lying Jul 01 14:52
- schestowitz Or blaming me for someone who read BN and then abuses someone in the Ubuntu mailing list Jul 01 14:53
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux.com is already abused for press release as 'blog' items: http://ping.fm/FH08L Jul 01 14:53
- nicktastic BN? Jul 01 14:53
- schestowitz I made a promise not to spend time talking about their smears Jul 01 14:53
- schestowitz nicktastic: Boycott Novell Jul 01 14:53
- nicktastic derp Jul 01 14:53
- schestowitz They try to distract Jul 01 14:53
- nicktastic :) Jul 01 14:53
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- schestowitz Like me spending /HOURS/ defending mylself against FALSE accusations Jul 01 14:54
- schestowitz it worked for them Jul 01 14:54
- schestowitz Make lie, see the one libeled spending hours disproving the lie Jul 01 14:54
- schestowitz antileet: oh, I see.. Jul 01 14:55
- schestowitz Let me read it. Jul 01 14:55
- schestowitz I love XMMS Jul 01 14:55
- schestowitz Still using it at work, antileet Jul 01 14:56
- antileet schestowitz: I do too. I use it as well Jul 01 14:56
- the_mad_hatter The trolls are getting desperate. Jul 01 14:56
- schestowitz RMS is not the problem Jul 01 14:56
- schestowitz He has known about Mono issues for years Jul 01 14:56
- nicktastic I thought I was the only one Jul 01 14:56
- schestowitz But he's afraid of rubbing the community the wrong way Jul 01 14:56
- nicktastic I'm so annoyed that they remove xmms from debian Jul 01 14:57
- schestowitz nicktastic: still in repos, no? Jul 01 14:57
- schestowitz Gentoo removed it 2 years ago Jul 01 14:57
- schestowitz In Ubuntu it's in the repos Jul 01 14:57
- antileet nicktastic: Why isn't it in the repos Jul 01 14:57
- nicktastic Nope, debian gave it the boot Jul 01 14:57
- antileet Yeah the package maintainers said there are some problems with it Jul 01 14:57
- antileet it'd turned up on the mailing lists Jul 01 14:58
- nicktastic There are third-party builds for the app but not the plugins Jul 01 14:58
- nicktastic antileet: I suspect because upstream sources are no longer being maintained Jul 01 14:58
- antileet nicktastic: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xmms2 Jul 01 14:58
- nicktastic Especially annoying for the plugins Jul 01 14:58
- nicktastic Yeah but that's xmms2 Jul 01 14:58
- nicktastic I want good old, light-weight, fast xmms with its super cool file browser Jul 01 14:58
- antileet nicktastic: That's almost abandoned I think. Jul 01 14:59
- nicktastic I just use mplayer on the command line now. :( Jul 01 14:59
- nicktastic Yup Jul 01 14:59
- antileet xmms2 is the new mpd Jul 01 14:59
- the_mad_hatter Remember our friend who wrote "Fuck you Richard Stallman"? Jul 01 14:59
- nicktastic Yeah I don't need that kind of complexity and indirection Jul 01 14:59
- nicktastic lol Jul 01 14:59
- antileet That would be my article, the_mad_hatter Jul 01 15:00
- the_mad_hatter I wrote a long reply to his post. Jul 01 15:00
- the_mad_hatter Ah, it was? Jul 01 15:00
- *nicktastic chuckles. Jul 01 15:00
- antileet Yes, thank you for your response Jul 01 15:00
- antileet I do not wish to have any part in this whatsoever. I only want to write code and keep the opinions and debating to people who understand things better than I do Jul 01 15:01
- the_mad_hatter You know, you really got to watch your language. The idea of anyone wanting to fuck Richard Stallman nearly cost me a keyboard. Jul 01 15:01
- nicktastic hahaha Jul 01 15:02
- antileet Ah, my girlfriend would be annoyed with that. Jul 01 15:02
- oiaohm If we did not have the odd hot head around OSS there would be no fun. Jul 01 15:02
- the_mad_hatter probably. My first response (which didn't get posted) went into length about that. And why it was kind of unfair, because there's a lot of us greying overweight guys out there. Jul 01 15:03
- the_mad_hatter Who would love to get fucked. Jul 01 15:03
- antileet What 21 year old kid couldn't resist that? Jul 01 15:04
- schestowitz At some stage I'll use the Wiki to build an extensive index for Portugal -- to serve as a sort of reference page from which to pick incidents and make a stronger case. Jul 01 15:04
- the_mad_hatter Can you imagine what my wife would say if I posted that? I'd be sleeping in the dog house! Jul 01 15:04
- the_mad_hatter Anyway, I'm still reading your response to my response. Jul 01 15:04
- schestowitz antileet: don't worry about it. No hard feelings.; Jul 01 15:04
- schestowitz Sometimes ask yourself what you work promotes Jul 01 15:05
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- schestowitz I still dread the idea of even promoting Red Hat. Jul 01 15:05
- antileet schestowitz: Thank you. Jul 01 15:05
- schestowitz Like I used to promote Linspire in 2005-6 Jul 01 15:05
- _Hicham_ my work promote lazyness Jul 01 15:05
- schestowitz FSF is FSF is FSF Jul 01 15:05
- schestowitz Been there for 25 years Jul 01 15:05
- schestowitz Still the EXACT same goals and philosophy Jul 01 15:05
- schestowitz Even "open source" went down the bin for all sorts of reason. Jul 01 15:06
- schestowitz *sons Jul 01 15:06
- schestowitz _Hicham_: get a napkin with that :-p Jul 01 15:06
- _Hicham_ my goal is to buy SUSE Jul 01 15:06
- schestowitz Start saving up Jul 01 15:06
- schestowitz Those MS patents Novell pays for are not cheap Jul 01 15:06
- schestowitz :-p Jul 01 15:06
- schestowitz _Hicham_: I burned PCLinusOS 2009 Jul 01 15:06
- _Hicham_ I will buy SUSE, then give it to u Jul 01 15:06
- schestowitz I'll give it a go tomorrow. It has good reviews Jul 01 15:07
- _Hicham_ PCLinuxOS 2009 is great Jul 01 15:07
- _Hicham_ for KDE lovers Jul 01 15:07
- antileet schestowitz: I really admire your dedication to what you do. Jul 01 15:08
- antileet Thank you again. Jul 01 15:09
- _Hicham_ Schestowitz : you won't find a distro better than SUSE Jul 01 15:09
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- schestowitz antileet: how do you want it edited? Jul 01 15:10
- schestowitz I never linked to your blog BTW, so there is no trail leading back to it (or name) Jul 01 15:11
- antileet schestowitz: If you feel it merits criticism then feel free to point out where you think I was wrong Jul 01 15:11
- the_mad_hatter PCLinux OS has it's points, but the wireless is shit. Jul 01 15:11
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- schestowitz I try not to mention names in some cases because people are offended by it. Like with that Ubuntu guy who came from Microsoft... Jul 01 15:11
- schestowitz Hey, wallc Jul 01 15:11
- schestowitz I have it well aligned what needs doing Jul 01 15:12
- antileet I just want my personal life, my open source involvement, and my work to be separate Jul 01 15:12
- wallc hey! Jul 01 15:12
- schestowitz It exceeded my expectations that the Gates E-mail has so far been viewed by over 15k Jul 01 15:12
- schestowitz It got translations that I saw, so readers also saw it in other blogs Jul 01 15:12
- schestowitz In the coming days I will stop doing news (July 4th and all) Jul 01 15:13
- schestowitz I will organise the Wiki some more and enjoy summer Jul 01 15:13
- schestowitz Then there are some fun exhibits Jul 01 15:13
- schestowitz Oh Jul 01 15:13
- wallc yes, people are interested in it. i just sent you an email. Jul 01 15:13
- schestowitz How was the wedding BTW Jul 01 15:13
- the_mad_hatter antileet sometimes that is not possible. Jul 01 15:14
- schestowitz wallc: interesting Jul 01 15:14
- schestowitz I did a search to recheck that Jul 01 15:14
- antileet the_mad_hatter, I am deleting the article. I will write code in the evenings and maintain the diplomatic stance that I had for three years Jul 01 15:14
- the_mad_hatter I can do that, but I don't work in IT, or a related industry. Jul 01 15:15
- the_mad_hatter If you are in the industry, trying to seperate things can be very difficult. Jul 01 15:15
- _Hicham_ schestowitz : who is that ubuntu guy that came from Microsoft? Jul 01 15:15
- schestowitz "Phil Reitinger.." Jul 01 15:15
- schestowitz Oops/. Jul 01 15:15
- the_mad_hatter No, don't delete the article. While I don't agree with it, your attitude is a common one. Jul 01 15:15
- the_mad_hatter And we have to reach out to people who have that attitude, so that they understand what the real stakes are. Jul 01 15:16
- antileet the_mad_hatter: I will keep the article but I never want any part of this debate. I do not have the energy or knowledge to argue with anyone Jul 01 15:16
- schestowitz I'll add a correction Jul 01 15:16
- the_mad_hatter What type of guitar do you have? Jul 01 15:16
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- the_mad_hatter I play bass myself. Jul 01 15:16
- antileet I own a bass and a guitar Jul 01 15:17
- the_mad_hatter right or left? Jul 01 15:17
- antileet I have a warwick style 4 string with custom active pickups, a marshall mb15 amplifier and a Zoom b2.1 processor Jul 01 15:17
- wallc I have a set of drums, and a drummer...lol Jul 01 15:17
- the_mad_hatter are you right or left handed, and if you are left handed, do you play right or left? Jul 01 15:18
- antileet I'm right handed. Jul 01 15:18
- antileet I pick with the right hand, if that's what's implied Jul 01 15:18
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- the_mad_hatter OK, just curious. I'm left handed, learned how to play right (because back then you couldn't find left handed guitars), and then was forced to switch to left because of an injury, and the difference is incredible, it just feels so natural. Jul 01 15:19
- the_mad_hatter I wish I'd gone left years ago. Jul 01 15:20
- antileet the_mad_hatter: Do you invert the strings or just adjust? Jul 01 15:20
- antileet I inverted a friend's strings on her bass, so that the string positions become more natural, she felt a significant improvement because she plays left handed Jul 01 15:21
- the_mad_hatter I was advised to just turn my guitar upside down, but instead I bought a real left handed guitar. Jul 01 15:21
- the_mad_hatter So strings are reversed to a right. I actually had to convert a guitar for a friend to left (rsi issues) and she said it was more natural too. Jul 01 15:22
- the_mad_hatter problem is the world isn't friendly to us lefties. Jul 01 15:22
- antileet the trouble is that most of the chord shapes are optimized for the right hand. so I guess it's best to go in for a left handed one Jul 01 15:22
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- the_mad_hatter I found chords easier playing left. But I was playing wrong handed for years. Jul 01 15:24
- the_mad_hatter Anyway, gotta run. By everyone. Jul 01 15:24
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- antileet schestowitz: Can I know when you will modify your articles? Jul 01 15:30
- schestowitz I'm not sure how because it does not link to your site or mentions its name Jul 01 15:30
- schestowitz The headline will no longer exist anyway Jul 01 15:30
- antileet To quote your article: "Another person, who describes himself as an “intern at Microsoft [who is] writing an extension to the MonoDevelop project,” has just written about this." Jul 01 15:31
- antileet It leads someone to believe that it's part of my job when it's absolutely note. Jul 01 15:31
- antileet I will wholeheartedly accept any criticism on my article's own demerits, please do not take it out of context that way. Jul 01 15:32
- schestowitz antileet: I don't see how some time along the line someone will connect this with a person. It's intentionally vague Jul 01 15:34
- schestowitz I don't want to alienate FOSS people (MonoDevelop) Jul 01 15:34
- schestowitz I consider them meaning to do good but misguided by Microsoft folks like Miguiel Jul 01 15:35
- antileet schestowitz: Regardless of whether it will connect me to it or not, it's still invalid. Jul 01 15:35
- antileet I have never wanted any part in this, and have never written anything about it, and don't want any trace of this to leave a shadow of a doubt Jul 01 15:35
- antileet I plead that you remove any reference that there's a connection between my employer and my project because of what I wrote, regardless of how it may lead back to me. Jul 01 15:36
- antileet I have never recieved this much comments since I won the wordpress plugin competition back in 2006, and this time it's not positive. I know how the internet can bite back and I just don't want nothing to do with this Jul 01 15:38
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] LSE, Microsoft's precious poster child, is calling it quits and dumping it. http://ping.fm/jKasC Jul 01 15:38
- _Hicham_ schestowitz : can I promote Mono on my website? Jul 01 15:40
- schestowitz Sure, it's your Web site Jul 01 15:40
- _Hicham_ and what about putting ur picture on the front page? Jul 01 15:41
- schestowitz antileet: I can append a correction/clarification Jul 01 15:41
- _Hicham_ schestowitz : did u download firefox 3.5? Jul 01 15:41
- antileet schestowitz: okay. I'll takea look Jul 01 15:41
- antileet schestowitz: What page has changed, I don't see any changes Jul 01 15:43
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- schestowitz antileet: I can add clarifications. Wait. Jul 01 15:45
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- antileet schestowitz: Thank you for the addendum Jul 01 15:49
- schestowitz antileet: I've just changed both posts Jul 01 15:49
- schestowitz _Hicham_: yes, but many plugins need to add the compat to their files Jul 01 15:50
- antileet I would really really really prefer that the two paragraphs did not exist at all. Jul 01 15:50
- _Hicham_ schestowitz : which plugins? Jul 01 15:50
- schestowitz I really really really prefer you didn'y call me "a dick" simply because I have the same POV as 'trolls' like FSF and SFLC Jul 01 15:50
- schestowitz _Hicham_: many Jul 01 15:51
- antileet I'm sorry, I was frustruated and angry. Jul 01 15:51
- _Hicham_ schestowitz : all plugins are working for me Jul 01 15:51
- _Hicham_ since a long time Jul 01 15:51
- antileet I owe you an apology for the personal attacks. If you find it within you to help someone who made a mistake and felt sorry for it ... Jul 01 15:52
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] reddragdiva.co.uk, davidgerard.co.uk, arkady.co.uk and redcountess.co.uk are back on air after / filled. bloody exim. Jul 01 15:53
- antileet schestowitz: I apologize again, and won't bother you any more. I guess I've learned my lesson for today. Jul 01 15:55
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government of Portugal Ignores Procurement Rules and Gives Taxpayers’ Money to Microsoft http://ping.fm/MYDlX Jul 01 15:58
- *neighborlee_ is now known as neighborlee Jul 01 16:01
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch Firefox 3.5 takeup in real time http://ping.fm/QBuK7 Jul 01 16:03
- schestowitz Heh. Just seen some search statistics for June. With $100ml in marketing for MS the gains are just a blip on the radar. [Schmidt sleeps well] Jul 01 16:03
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heh. Just seen some search statistics for June. With $100ml in marketing for MS the gains are just a blip on the radar. [Schmidt sleeps ... Jul 01 16:08
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .NET = .FAIL: http://is.gd/1kciA don't mess bankers around. Jul 01 16:13
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] the younger teen has been LARTed with "do housework or lose intarweb"; the older got an MSN virus. toddler not on net yet. Jul 01 16:13
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dam!! China Backs Off 'Green Dam' Filter http://ping.fm/NCtsV Jul 01 16:18
- schestowitz spam appears to have risen in quantity this week Jul 01 16:20
- schestowitz Siemens axes 300 UK staff at tech services arm < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/07/01/siemens_uk_300_job_cuts/ > Jul 01 16:20
- schestowitz Glasgow unbans Life of Brian < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/01/brian_unbanned/ > Was it really banned until now?? Jul 01 16:23
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is why extensive databases are a terrible idea: http://ping.fm/t6M4Y (ping @glynmoody ) Jul 01 16:23
- tacone http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jun-29.html#comment-11871921 lol Jul 01 16:23
- schestowitz Hehe. Jul 01 16:25
- schestowitz I never know this blog had comments Jul 01 16:25
- schestowitz Until now. I enabled JS. Jul 01 16:25
- tacone uh, well, i do use js all the time. Jul 01 16:27
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] China spam crisis provokes researcher's ire < http://ping.fm/S9tN0 >. There seems to be about x5 times the usual level of spam now. Jul 01 16:28
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- schestowitz http://identi.ca/notice/5937220 "@glynmoody: They refer to IBM. Note: MSFT calls the world "the other side" for false impression of two equally acceptable positions. #OOXML" Jul 01 16:32
- schestowitz http://identi.ca/notice/5937409 "@glynmoody: Maybe point out "the other side" is far from homogenous: Google, Sun, IBM are no lovers and usually disagree, just not here." Jul 01 16:33
- schestowitz So which is the "Dark side" -- "us" or Microsoft? Yet they accuse others of being intolerant Jul 01 16:33
- schestowitz Obama's False Friends of Health Reform < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8441 > Jul 01 16:35
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Network Scan for Conficker < http://ping.fm/Il2xI > What ever happened to Microsoft's scapegoat bounty? Jul 01 16:43
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- tacone http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/tomboy-mono Jul 01 16:46
- schestowitz http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/mono-is-not-a-patent-threat-for-debian/ Jul 01 16:47
- schestowitz Swatting phreaker swatted and heading to jail http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/141370/from/rss09 Jul 01 16:48
- tacone miller ? Jul 01 16:50
- tacone millan. Jul 01 16:50
- schestowitz The latter Jul 01 16:51
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- schestowitz Firefox add-ons: Which work in 3.5? http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10276017-12.html Jul 01 16:56
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- ugufjhfj firefox 3.5 released for linux ? Jul 01 17:08
- schestowitz IBM whines about gcc: http://daveshields.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/100-compiler-options-and-you-are-out/ Jul 01 17:09
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- nicktastic What jackassery Jul 01 17:20
- schestowitz http://www.h-online.com/open/Debian-Mono-is-not-in-our-default-installation--/news/113660 Debian - Mono is not in our default installation Jul 01 17:21
- schestowitz http://gnomejournal.org/article/75/do-licious Jul 01 17:23
- neighborlee I dont understand tolimars comment at all Jul 01 17:23
- neighborlee so you install 'gnome' which is 'everything yet gnome-desktop is lighter..so if you do the simpler 'gnome' you DO get mono...so how is that not change ? ;) Jul 01 17:24
- neighborlee sigh Jul 01 17:24
- neighborlee btw..Idont recall seeing any discussion ? from debian about all of this.. Jul 01 17:25
- neighborlee btw..Idont recall seeing any discussion ? from debian legal about all of this.. Jul 01 17:25
- schestowitz Hidden cost of running Windows http://linuxinexile.blogspot.com/2009/06/hidden-cost-of-running-windows.html Jul 01 17:30
- schestowitz A gallery of geeky galleries http://royal.pingdom.com/2009/06/30/a-gallery-of-geeky-galleries/ Jul 01 17:31
- schestowitz neighborlee: <anon> Alexander Schmehl is missinformed Jul 01 17:35
- schestowitz <anon> I can assure you D-I pulls the gnome meta-package in *by default* Jul 01 17:35
- schestowitz <anon> there's a checkbox Jul 01 17:35
- schestowitz <anon> which is checked in by default Jul 01 17:35
- schestowitz <anon> user can uncheck it Jul 01 17:35
- schestowitz <anon> but that's it Jul 01 17:35
- amarsh04 I ditched gnome when fam and gnome-vfsd and debconf started taking up too much cpu time... gamin is much better than fam was when I made the switch Jul 01 17:39
- amarsh04 Anything short of real-time video or image rendering should run fine on a low end pc Jul 01 17:40
- neighborlee schestowitz, ah ok Jul 01 17:41
- schestowitz brb Jul 01 17:42
- neighborlee you know im dain glad I never stayed with debian Jul 01 17:43
- neighborlee sad but true Jul 01 17:43
- neighborlee I mean t his coupled with that mess with 'debian women'..I mean come on is anyone really sane going to abide within this mess ?? Jul 01 17:44
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- amarsh04 I'm fine with Debian... although I would have liked debian-kde to maintain KDE 3.5.X rather than just close bugs against it Jul 01 17:45
- neighborlee amarsh04, you stick up for its treatment of debian women ? Jul 01 17:45
- amarsh04 I'm not familiar with the case neighborlee... closest I've been to any Debian women was a few emails with Jeff Waugh's wife Pia Jul 01 17:46
- neighborlee do yourself a favor, and look it up. Jul 01 17:47
- amarsh04 ah ok Jul 01 17:47
- amarsh04 I've mainly reported bugs and tried to help solve them and answer the odd questions on mailing lists Jul 01 17:48
- neighborlee http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/11/msg00005.html Jul 01 17:49
- neighborlee to think that came from a developer..its mind numbing Jul 01 17:50
- neighborlee http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22320/1090/ < and some here Jul 01 17:51
- amarsh04 that is totally not something for a developer-announce list Jul 01 17:51
- neighborlee imho its not meant for any list Jul 01 17:52
- neighborlee except spammers-r-us maybe ;) Jul 01 17:52
- neighborlee or maybe 11yearolds-r-us Jul 01 17:52
- amarsh04 I think I had read the itwire article previously Jul 01 17:52
- neighborlee ah ok Jul 01 17:52
- neighborlee is it any wonder why some people have a dim view of linux Jul 01 17:53
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Migration of Schools to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/QeQdr Jul 01 17:53
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kids in Texas Migrated to GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/nKuuU Jul 01 17:53
- amarsh04 before itwire, I read Sam Varghese's columns in the Melbourne .au broadsheet, The Age Jul 01 17:53
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- amarsh04 I had been to a couple of Unix conferences, AUUG '93 (Sydney) and AUUG '94 (Melbourne), met or just heard quite a few *nix luminaries. The Australian Unix and Open Systems Users' Group which organised the conferences was quite an inclusive organisation (which was more than I could say for some members of the Australian Computer Society), but neither were sexist organisations Jul 01 17:56
- schestowitz Linus stil like the Aussie events Jul 01 17:57
- schestowitz He snubs even the USian ones Jul 01 17:57
- neighborlee amarsh04, too bad things changed Jul 01 17:57
- neighborlee its honeslty insulting to FOSS that we even have developers like this Jul 01 17:57
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Outlaws Approaches the 100th Show http://ping.fm/IQcMz Jul 01 17:58
- neighborlee and it wasn't just women he was insulting- Jul 01 17:58
- schestowitz neighborlee: I should show you something Jul 01 17:58
- schestowitz Let me see if I can find it Jul 01 17:58
- schestowitz About Mono Jul 01 17:58
- schestowitz Some very nasty language in a blog Jul 01 17:58
- neighborlee hm Jul 01 17:58
- neighborlee worse than usual ? ;) Jul 01 17:58
- schestowitz Try this: On Debian and Mono Jul 01 17:58
- schestowitz http://photosinensis.livejournal.com/744601.html Jul 01 17:59
- neighborlee kk Jul 01 17:59
- schestowitz Watch top Jul 01 17:59
- amarsh04 I'd still say that organisations like Linux Australia aren't sexist Jul 01 17:59
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- neighborlee lol Jul 01 18:00
- neighborlee he is disappointed in rms for sticking up for foss..yeah right ;) Jul 01 18:02
- neighborlee as if anyone, based on his colorful language, is going to take any stock in anything he is saying. Jul 01 18:02
- neighborlee not me anyway Jul 01 18:02
- neighborlee schestowitz, yeah..potty mouth central Jul 01 18:02
- schestowitz Putting off the gals Jul 01 18:03
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop GNU/Linux the Best of Both Worlds: GUI and CLI (for Speed) http://ping.fm/QFpbf Jul 01 18:03
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "World’s Smallest Desktop PC" Can Come with Mandriva GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/8u81X Jul 01 18:03
- schestowitz I think it was Moulette (spelling?) who started the mess Jul 01 18:03
- neighborlee if you means debian gals..yes. Jul 01 18:03
- neighborlee well time to go.. gotta powerdown till I get back...thx for info as usual roy..ttyl all have fun ;0- Jul 01 18:05
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Targets the Server with Free Software (Eucalyptus) http://ping.fm/JD5jM Jul 01 18:08
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] JAG Released for GNU/Linux http://ping.fm/Wiqoo Jul 01 18:23
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] KDE 4.3 Reaches Release Candidate http://ping.fm/WQyg2 , Preview of KDE 4.4 Appears http://ping.fm/IJBSw Jul 01 18:23
- trmanco wow Jul 01 18:25
- trmanco ubuntu just saved my ass Jul 01 18:25
- trmanco I clicked the power button by mistake, and it didn't shut down, instead it gave me 60 seconds to click a dialog to confirm the shutdown/restart :-) Jul 01 18:26
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yellow Dog GNU/Linux (6.2) is Released http://ping.fm/leEpf Jul 01 18:28
- schestowitz trmanco: could be bad in emergencies Jul 01 18:34
- schestowitz Say Ballmer comes banging on your door to see what you run Jul 01 18:34
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sabayon GNU/Linux GNOME 4.2 Released http://ping.fm/iXqtQ , Puppy Linux 4.2 Reviewed http://ping.fm/yKceK Jul 01 18:38
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gentoo Turns 10 http://ping.fm/uGkY2 Jul 01 18:38
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- _Goblin Hi all! Jul 01 18:39
- _Goblin Talk about desperate. This is a comment on Twitter from the world famous Andre Da Co$ta who says "Looking at some family pics of MJ, I can see that he was a PC user, too bad he didn't live to see Windows 7." I wonder is that desperate or just cheap? Jul 01 18:42
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mini Editions of PCLinuxOS and PCLinuxOS 2009.2 Are Available http://ping.fm/P6gae http://ping.fm/olYTs Jul 01 18:43
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- _Goblin and sorry for the highlight BTW Jul 01 18:43
- schestowitz 0/ Jul 01 18:44
- schestowitz _Goblin: MS has nothing going now Jul 01 18:44
- schestowitz Well.. actually... Jul 01 18:44
- schestowitz Its ececs are going Jul 01 18:44
- schestowitz For good Jul 01 18:44
- schestowitz The company collapses slowly Jul 01 18:44
- _Goblin I've also "engaged" with Edbott of edbott.com Jul 01 18:44
- schestowitz So expect these shills to be rightly nervoud Jul 01 18:45
- trmanco schestowitz, if so, I could just hard shutdown Jul 01 18:45
- schestowitz Mary Jo should start learning the command line Jul 01 18:45
- trmanco press the button more than 4 seconds Jul 01 18:45
- schestowitz trmanco: yes, at the main Jul 01 18:45
- schestowitz _Goblin: don\t feed them Jul 01 18:45
- schestowitz Waste of effort Jul 01 18:45
- schestowitz Also trolling Jul 01 18:45
- _Goblin oh edbotts different... Jul 01 18:45
- schestowitz Contribute where the opposition is Jul 01 18:45
- _Goblin if I can engage him, I want to discuss. Jul 01 18:45
- _Goblin like I try with everyone, shills/trolls included. Jul 01 18:46
- schestowitz By going to their sites you might troll Jul 01 18:46
- _Goblin Oh, if I do, I always make a good post (not troll and linked) recent case on my blog.....My favorite shill of all time was when I had the girlfriend of a Neowin reporter come and defend him on my site Jul 01 18:47
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Makes Fog Computing Deals http://ping.fm/hneb7 Jul 01 18:48
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz the linutop is smaller :-D mind you, the 1GB flash drive is a bit cramped with xubuntu 8.04 ... Jul 01 18:48
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New GNU/Linux Customers for Red Hat http://ping.fm/J62JO Jul 01 18:53
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Free Software Maker Turns to Large Business http://ping.fm/v2RBd Jul 01 18:58
- kentma neowin? Jul 01 18:58
- MinceR i suggest a ./configure --with-dave-shields option to gcc which leaves out all options, leaving in a randomly chosen set of 8 Jul 01 18:59
- MinceR and to echo "and now stop whining" at the end of its compilation. Jul 01 18:59
- kentma with at least two guaranteed to be mutually exclusive, but with "-ignore-errors" set... :-) Jul 01 19:02
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Myka's Linux-based BitTorrent Client/Appliance http://ping.fm/TLHHm Jul 01 19:03
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Palm's Linux Phones Selling Exceptionally Well Upon Arrival http://ping.fm/ZHQ4k Jul 01 19:03
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Advice on Mixing Free Software and Foggy Computing http://ping.fm/1EJ7p Jul 01 19:03
- nicktastic MinceR: hehe Jul 01 19:04
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MySQL Stresses Cycles http://ping.fm/RzlpI Jul 01 19:13
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ICANN CEO Affirms Free, Open Internet http://ping.fm/btQdv Jul 01 19:13
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Support for Free Software in the German Government http://ping.fm/6Oc27 Jul 01 19:18
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Rules May Help Adoption of Free Software in Healthcare http://ping.fm/XXOk2 Jul 01 19:18
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two New Violations of the GPL Get Reports: ASUS, ScummVM http://ping.fm/LSq1E http://ping.fm/XHn1I Jul 01 19:28
- amarsh04 agreed MinceR... many of the options to gcc are to support or optimise for specific architectures - gcc hasn't yet caused me grief Jul 01 19:33
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IBM Extends GCC with New Program http://ping.fm/CeSlH Jul 01 19:33
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] VirtualBox 3.0 is Released http://ping.fm/yFlET Jul 01 19:33
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wireshark 1.2 is Released http://ping.fm/qL3PX Jul 01 19:33
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] PHP 5.3.0 is Ready to Roll (for the Most Part on GNU/Linux) http://ping.fm/7gaO9 Jul 01 19:33
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mozilla's Mobile Browser to Targhttp://ping.fm/bl7sQ Linux Jul 01 19:38
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Users Impressed by What They Find in Firefox 3.5 http://ping.fm/GIQg3 http://ping.fm/g84GX Jul 01 19:38
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Makes Better JavaScript Code Available http://ping.fm/uKttE Jul 01 19:38
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Old Media Replaced Upon Transition to the Web http://ping.fm/nCaBB Jul 01 19:43
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interview with Copyrights Reform Advocate http://ping.fm/yZzYz Jul 01 19:43
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Fight to Keep the Web Free Carries On http://ping.fm/bYObD Jul 01 19:48
- trmanco http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnote-list/2009-July/msg00000.html Jul 01 20:00
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Gnote 0.5.2 released: http://is.gd/1kHDh Jul 01 20:03
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Newham Department to Face Challenge Over Proprietary OOXML http://ping.fm/ujrq4 Jul 01 20:08
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- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Será que ninguem notou a minha apreciação pelo Firefox e pela Mozilla? :( Jul 01 20:13
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Eu sei que o hotlink do video do site da Mozilla foi má onde, mas nao consigo fazer streaming do meu servidor nao sei porque... Jul 01 20:18
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] onda* Jul 01 20:18
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- schestowitz What da???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBC5L6cyq2Y Jul 01 20:22
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Microsoft extends XP downgrade option to 2101 http://bit.ly/fWDLE Jul 01 20:28
- ThistleWeb it just oges to show how Microsoft continue to keep pumping out the products the peeps want, after all, the marketplace shows them to be the most popular right? Yet they have to reluctantly extend the offer of an old product (again) because peeps don't want the new one Jul 01 20:30
- ThistleWeb it'd be funny to let market forces show their popularity, offer XP and Vista on the same PC, without any bullshit downgrade "premium", see which one the customers prefer. Of course you'd have to offer them a non-Microsoft option too, or it's still flawed Jul 01 20:31
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz getting straight answers from google on whatwg about their problem with ogg is ... remarkable. different poster every time. Jul 01 20:38
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- trmanco omg Jul 01 21:11
- trmanco http://www.stefanoforenza.com/5-easy-steps-to-flip-a-burger-1-easy-step-to-eat-it/ Jul 01 21:11
- trmanco see how the mono supporters try to punt and silence Vadim Jul 01 21:12
- *schestowitz looks Jul 01 21:12
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/8z5r2 - Lastest pic of my personal Linux/SE/Heron flavor! Running a Spectrum emu..a bit of fun anyway! Jul 01 21:13
- trmanco and I'm not talking about davebsd, he seems like a reasonable person Jul 01 21:14
- schestowitz Good interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpcvJ6oPpWk&NR=1 Jul 01 21:14
- schestowitz davebsd has bee polite towards me Jul 01 21:14
- trmanco they other ones just seem to "attack, attack, attack" Jul 01 21:14
- schestowitz Yeah, like the 10 Commandments say ;-) Jul 01 21:14
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- trmanco schestowitz, can you paste here that scoble twitter link Jul 01 21:21
- trmanco the one about mono Jul 01 21:21
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Suggestion: Music vid for #Microsoft adverts? IMO its far more relevant. http://bit.ly/p96WU Jul 01 21:28
- schestowitz trmanco: http://twitter.com/Scobleizer/statuses/764673949 Jul 01 21:50
- trmanco thanks you Jul 01 21:50
- trmanco thank you** Jul 01 21:50
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Confirmed: Windows Vista Still Rejected by Customers http://ping.fm/j91kw Jul 01 21:53
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- neighborlee trmanco, I commented on that stefano blog as well as did you, so thx for heads up...( not permalinked yet) Jul 01 22:16
- trmanco ok, I'll keep my eyes on that post Jul 01 22:19
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Software Falters http://ping.fm/Hfmez Jul 01 22:23
- trmanco "Mono is not the panacea. Mono is a great way of developing easily, without spending that much time. But some skilled GNOME developers already showed the world (*cough*GNote*cough*) how Mono is NOT saving time to someone who is skilled and knows how to do things the right way. To me, GNote is not a symbol of freedom, but a symbol of the fact that people can still use GTK with success with C or C++ (and by this point I hope you realized that this Jul 01 22:57
- trmanco is not a war against GTK, more some constructive criticysm)." Jul 01 22:57
- trmanco http://drfav.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/my-take-on-the-monoc-debate/ Jul 01 22:57
- schestowitz Well, too late Jul 01 22:57
- schestowitz I'm not doing Mono for a few days... Jul 01 22:57
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Poll: 62% Don’t Trust Microsoft on Mono http://bit.ly/BXarJ Jul 01 22:58
- trmanco people are already discussing mono a lot Jul 01 22:58
- trmanco it's in the news to much Jul 01 22:58
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- oiaohm http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2009/jun/29/language-patents/ Nice write up I guess schestowitz has seen this one. Jul 01 23:16
- trmanco http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/mono-is-not-a-patent-threat-for-debian/ Jul 01 23:20
- trmanco and some more Jul 01 23:20
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- oiaohm Pure madness trmanco Jul 01 23:22
- oiaohm Simple reason threat will be purely depending on how much Money presure MS has. Jul 01 23:24
- oiaohm If MS is forced to the point were burning bridges will give them a chance to stay alive as a company they will. Jul 01 23:25
- schestowitz Watch my latest post Jul 01 23:27
- schestowitz it's coming Jul 01 23:27
- schestowitz MS turn to patent trolling Jul 01 23:28
- schestowitz brb shower Jul 01 23:28
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Report: Microsoft’s Patent Racketeering Comes from Myhrvold http://ping.fm/Y3W5c Jul 01 23:28
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- oiaohm trmanco: best company for an example of being turn nuts by lack of money is SCO. Jul 01 23:30
- trmanco I'm not really into the SCO stuff Jul 01 23:31
- oiaohm Lack of funds got them to take the idea of trying to sue Linux IBM and others for copyright infringement. Jul 01 23:31
- oiaohm Before that they were a fairly sane company. Jul 01 23:32
- schestowitz even worked on Linux Jul 01 23:32
- schestowitz So did Novell Jul 01 23:32
- schestowitz Novell owns UNIX now Jul 01 23:33
- schestowitz Scary thought Jul 01 23:33
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard: it's a mixed company. Google has ex-Microsoft employees in it too. Jul 01 23:33
- oiaohm Its the reason why patent coverage on standards are important. Companies working with you standards can turn nuts. Jul 01 23:33
- oiaohm Novell always has owned Unix. Jul 01 23:33
- oiaohm Just they legally cannot use it due to there court case loss to BSD. Jul 01 23:34
- oiaohm Its part of the settlement with BSD over Novell breaching copyright. Jul 01 23:34
- oiaohm SCO is a funny case. It was also Novell paperwork to them that suggested control of Unix had been transfered to SCO. Problem is due to the prior BSD case the main copyright and lot of other things are not transferable. Jul 01 23:37
- trmanco http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090701175132339 Jul 01 23:37
- oiaohm Novell and SCO were partners as well. Jul 01 23:38
- -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm taking a break for a few days. Jul 01 23:38
- oiaohm When working with Novell its important to watch your own back. There history is they will not watch yours. Jul 01 23:39
- trmanco http://www.ubuntu.com/news/canonical-launches-enterprise-cloud-service Jul 01 23:44
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