Other higlights from 8th August 2012

(23:59:55) ‹+VCR_Working› i got shit to work on so i gotta leave you to discuss things with volphy

(00:00:00)  » Day changed to Wednesday ‹8 Aug 2012›

Session Time: Wed Aug 08 00:00:00 2012

(00:00:05) ‹+Valkyrjan› And now people are discussing the board so it's more interesting.

(00:00:10) ‹+Valkyrjan› See you.

(00:00:11) ‹+VCR_Working› my opinion is dawnfag should stfu

(00:00:24) ‹+VCR_Working› enjoy

(00:00:35) ‹+Valkyrjan› Yeah, I actually didn't think it was dawnfag that made that last thread. It seemed tame enough.

(00:01:31) ‹+Valkyrjan› The way everything is backwards quoting is mildly confusing.

(00:01:57) ‹+Valkyrjan› Oh nevermind. Only mod posts are.

(00:02:13) ‹+Bloom› yeah i noticed that

(00:02:22) ‹+Bloom› also are janitors affected by that time delay filter?

(00:02:30) ‹+Bloom› because i dont want to accidentally post quicker than i should be able to

(00:02:50) ‹~moots› [01:50:59] <Bloom> i see the post that it was replying to

(00:02:53) ‹~moots› that's bugged on /q/ yeah

(00:02:57) ‹~moots› because of the ADministration Replies: thing

(00:05:49) ‹+AlBorland› the fuck is happening on /q/

(00:07:01) ‹+Beam› is slow

(00:07:10) ‹+Bloom› its slow because of the post timers i think

(00:07:13) ‹+Beam› but steady

 

(00:10:08) ‹+VCR_Working› >And while I'm making a thread, moot, if you could turn into a little girl, would you rather it be this cat as seen in fanart, or a muscle loli with iron biceps and chiseled abs fierce enough to show through a cute sundress?

 

(01:13:50) ‹+Bloom› well i wouldnt say /v/ never reports anything

(01:13:55) ‹+Bloom› i frequently have over 100 reports

 

(01:15:55) ‹+VCR_Working› >The biggest issue is him as a janitor has no way to stop people spamming, it just boils down to who gets bored first. I'd love to see him as a moderator. It would significantly cut down on these daily/hourly threads that are spamming legitimately good threads off the back end of the board

(01:16:05) ‹+VCR_Working› aoc has a fan :3

 

(01:59:19) ‹+VCR_Working› >At 2AM every day, someone posts a pic of flanfly. It's culture.

(01:59:25) ‹+VCR_Working› hahaha no

(02:00:07) ‹+Bloom› it worked on /v/

 

(02:09:36) ‹+Beam› oh yes, we're getting a few of those people who think we are intentionally letting shitty threads go by and deleting the TOTALLY ON TOPIC threads

 

(03:23:05) ‹+VCR_Working› ./jp/ is truly frustrating

(03:23:41) ‹+Bloom› im genuinely in the same boat with /tv/ right now its just not as dense

(03:23:58) ‹+AoC› Imagine dealing directly with it every day. Imagine being part of it since the start and see it slowly decay with every effort being as effective as an ice cube in hell

(03:24:26) ‹+Kyoubro› kdel, I've watched that exact guy spamming threads before. Just FYI. You get to know shitposters after a while.

(03:24:50) ‹+Kyoubro› I'm not saying "ban", just saying watch your step around there. It's not as bad as /v/, but they will try to use shit against us.

(03:24:54) ‹+Bloom› ive been part of /tv/ since before waifu threads

(03:25:43) ‹%kdel› yes i know

(03:26:00) ‹%kdel› that pretty much goes for any public post a mod makes

(03:26:01) ‹+Kyoubro› Okay, sorry to be preaching to the choir then. Thanks for keeping that in mind.

 

(06:37:00) ‹+RapeApe9k› i was deployed when it happened, so i didn't witness it, but /tg/ used to have far too many 'elf slave wat do' and monstergirl/hentai threads

(06:37:09) ‹+RapeApe9k› and dickgirls. lots of dickgirls.

 

(07:13:17) ‹+i7MUSHROOM› Bloom: you awake?

(07:18:37) ‹+i7MUSHROOM› http://i.imgur.com/0il22.jpg

(07:18:58) ‹+i7MUSHROOM› got this shirt about 2 months ago

(07:20:22) ‹+i7MUSHROOM› It would be neat if janitors had capcodes on /q/

(07:20:45) ‹+i7MUSHROOM› they could take suggestion and converse with the people of their board

(07:21:30) ‹+AoC› kdel, are you available?

(07:21:59) ‹%kami`› that would be nice i7MUSHROOM

(07:22:03) ‹%kami`› but from experience

(07:22:36) ‹%kami`› I know that a single misstep or loosely interpreted word can make a situation 1000x worse

(07:22:46) ‹%kami`› not even exaggerating

[...]

(07:23:29) ‹+i7MUSHROOM› well, you're forced to be anonymous

(07:23:37) ‹%kami`› because its the shitposters enforcing it

 

Why does it sound so familiar?

 

(07:44:38) ‹+BluRay› this guy

(07:45:03) ‹+BluRay› > I really don't give a shit about the rules, I just want to keep posting with the people I've always been posting with.

 

(10:09:13) ‹Sange› I haven't read the thread yet, but we need to address japanese games too

(10:09:22) ‹+BluRay› yeah

(10:09:23) ‹+Bloom› they go to /v/

(10:09:37) ‹+Bloom› i will wether that storm because i genuinely care

(10:09:43) ‹+Bloom› err

(10:09:55) ‹+Bloom› maybe its whether?

(10:09:55) ‹+BluRay› hahahahahahaha

(10:09:57) ‹+Bloom› idr

(10:11:11) ‹Sange› I personally don't see a problem with occasional japanese game threads that would get no attention at /v/, but as this is too vague, it would end only bringing up more meta/etc

(10:11:36) ‹Sange› so we will have to do with nothing besides doujin games

(10:11:42) ‹+BluRay› yeah

(10:12:11) ‹+BluRay› i'm of the same opinion personally

(10:13:31) ‹Sange› as for imagedumps, I don't know, I'd really like moot to tell us how he wants the board to shape up, but as I mentioned, he said he was the last person to decide anything about it

(10:13:47) ‹Sange› I'd like things to be consistent

(10:14:10) ‹+BluRay› i'm pro-image dump but only if it's relevant and sfw, and no saten spam isn't relevant and never will be

(10:14:32) ‹+Bloom› >All levels of shitposting,

 

(11:12:34) ‹+RapeApe9k› evercookies? http://boards.4chan.org/q/res/7428

(11:13:37) ‹+Kyoubro› I don't think that intrusive software is a good idea.

(11:14:08) ‹+Kyoubro› It alienates a lot of people, and there will be solutions to that issue created very shortly.

(11:15:02) ‹+RapeApe9k› I could see as acceptable it for extreme cases, and only for permabans.

(11:15:43) ‹+nikka› why not

(11:15:46) ‹+Kyoubro› If you really want more stringent bans, then make posting rights harder to get.

(11:16:06) ‹+duanemoody› and how would that work on a system with no logins

(11:16:14) ‹+RapeApe9k› well, that goes against the purpose of an anonymous imageboard

(11:16:33)  » Quit: ~moots ‹moots@the.run› ‹Remote host closed the connection›

(11:16:44) ‹+Kyoubro› You can have logins without compromising anonymity. Just have the login only affect whether or not people can post, and give it no relevance beyond that.

(11:16:45) ‹+RapeApe9k› but if someone posts CP, i don't see why it's wrong to use every possible tool to exclude them from the site

(11:17:45) ‹+Valkyrjan› Would there be any way to make some kind of flood control for new threads that doesn't apply to just normal posting? So people can't spam the same thread over and over again in the course of ten minutes?

(11:17:48) ‹+nikka› those who post cp are well prepared

(11:20:09) ‹+Aerolite› Kyoubro: you and i both know that people would throw a fit at something like that

(11:20:15) ‹+Aerolite› totally not worth the chao

(11:20:17) ‹+Aerolite› chaos*

(11:20:26) ‹+duanemoody› people threw a fit at captcha

(11:20:28) ‹+duanemoody› who left

(11:20:38) ‹+Kyoubro› Yup. And at the same time, it's the only reasonable way to make bans stick a little bit longer.

(11:21:03) ‹+Aerolite› i think people like the idea of being able to post without an account

(11:21:04) ‹+duanemoody› bans are arguably a joke considering how few people have persistent IP addresses

(11:21:11) ‹+Kyoubro› Valk: yes, you can limit new thread creation at a different rate than new post creation.

(11:21:12) ‹+duanemoody› i think people like that idea too

(11:21:28) ‹+duanemoody› but that's why 4chan has CP

(11:21:47) ‹+duanemoody› there's no reasonable method of preventing it without a gate

(11:22:03) ‹+Valkyrjan› What would be a downfall to that?

(11:22:09) ‹+duanemoody› ok here's a simpler idea

(11:22:13) ‹+duanemoody› try this one out

(11:22:19) ‹+duanemoody› instead of accounts

(11:22:24) ‹+Valkyrjan› I mean, people shouldn't have to make multiple threads at once for a good reason.

(11:22:41) ‹+Valkyrjan› And that's where a lot of the problems are coming from.

(11:22:45) ‹+duanemoody› you have to file a captcha which sets a cookie that grants you posting privs

(11:22:51) ‹%Katsurugi› are we talking about Naruto threads?

(11:22:52) ‹+duanemoody› the cookie lasts 24 hours

(11:22:59) ‹%Katsurugi› and cis privs?

(11:23:06) ‹%Katsurugi› I don't understand this conversation

(11:23:11) ‹+Kyoubro› Valk: it just hasn't been implemented.

(11:23:13) ‹+duanemoody› then reread it

(11:23:26) ‹+Kyoubro› It's there on /q/, but hasn't been put on other boards.

(11:23:42) ‹+Valkyrjan› It might be nice to implement. Or at least test.

(11:24:08) ‹+Kyoubro› Then ask moot about it next time he's on, I guess. I agree with you, it sounds like a nice thing.

(11:24:16) ‹+duanemoody› i'll repeat: before you can post you pass a bot test which grants you a 24-72 hour long pass

(11:24:40) ‹+Kyoubro› Probably don't want to make the delay too long, or people will just start resetting IP to get around it as if it were a ban.

(11:24:48) ‹+duanemoody› there's no ip check

(11:24:52) ‹+duanemoody› it goes by cookie

(11:25:27) ‹+Aerolite› >Honestly, these are very easy to evade. Firefox has a plug-in to block flash cookies. Block flash, turn off scripting, and these are completely defeated. The most egregious offenders who are evading bans are already well versed in technology, proxies, etc., and will be able to circumvent this with no problem.

(11:25:30) ‹fsdfdsf› kdel this thread is full of NSFW https://boards.4chan.org/a/res/69796036#p69796036 it started out ok but then that dude started posting manga.

(11:25:33) ‹+Valkyrjan› Not too long, but something like ten minutes seems fair.

(11:25:53) ‹+duanemoody› and i'm saying that the system won't permit you to post without a pass cookie

(11:26:04) ‹+nikka› do it

(11:26:13) ‹+duanemoody› attempt to alter the cookie and it's recognized as being mishandled

(11:26:20) ‹+duanemoody› and your IP is logged as well

(11:26:32) ‹+duanemoody› basically make IP checking a secondary form

(11:26:44) ‹+Kyoubro› So essentially something like what Exhentai does.

(11:26:50) ‹+duanemoody› only less retarded

(11:27:01) ‹+duanemoody› because exh is breaking how cookies are supposed to work

(11:27:05) ‹+Aerolite› so, the question is: does something like this actually work?

(11:27:09) ‹+Kyoubro› 4chan? Being LESS retarded?

(11:27:22) ‹+duanemoody› less retarded than exhentai's authentication

(11:27:32) ‹+duanemoody› cookies are not SUPPOSED to work across domains

(11:27:44) ‹+duanemoody› only IE fails to understand this

(11:28:19) ‹+duanemoody› so again, before you post, you pass some kind of turing test which grants you 72 hours, maybe a week

(11:28:50) ‹+duanemoody› the cookie contains a key that's part of a pair

(11:28:59) ‹+duanemoody› if you're banned, the key is revoked and the IP is logged

(11:29:09) ‹+duanemoody› will this stop shitposting? no

(11:29:21) ‹+duanemoody› but it will be more trouble to circumvent than unplugging a router

(11:30:47) ‹+duanemoody› the only difficulty here is that the server now has to validate a cookie before every post but that's no more overhead than a typical board requires

(11:30:57) ‹+duanemoody› you know, one with logins

(11:31:16) ‹+Kyoubro› So it's essentially a login system, just under a different name so that people don't throw a shitfit.

(11:31:21) ‹+duanemoody› bingo

(11:31:26) ‹+duanemoody› and it's not persistent data

(11:31:34) ‹+Aerolite› well, we'll see what moot thinks

 

(11:36:39) ‹+duanemoody› if you're on bad behavior, not so much

(11:36:52) ‹+duanemoody› internal karma system

(11:37:05) ‹+duanemoody› i guarantee dongfix will bitch that it adds server overhead

(11:37:09) ‹+duanemoody› i do not give a fuck

(11:37:09) ‹+WalterWhite› le upboat you said?

(11:37:35) ‹+duanemoody› he thinks a png thumbnailer adds too much overhead -- while adding more html to every page than it needs

(11:37:58) ‹+duanemoody› there is no way to manage this that does not cost something

(11:38:26) ‹+duanemoody› in any case it beats the fuck out of "log in with facebook"

(11:38:42) ‹+WalterWhite› but we already had that before

(11:38:45) ‹+WalterWhite› dont you remember?

(11:38:46) ‹+WalterWhite› ;p

(11:38:52) ‹+duanemoody› i remember the like buttons

(11:39:26) ‹+duanemoody› i also remember everyone ignoring canv.as because it relied on fB

(11:39:37) ‹+duanemoody› that site's CP free

(11:39:40) ‹+duanemoody› it's also user free

(11:40:35) ‹+duanemoody› i read moot's interview with MIT; he says people need the right to be wrong anonymously on the internet, this balances that with the need to moderate

 

(12:07:38) ‹+Azatsu› /q/ - /v/ and /jp/ complaints

(12:07:53) ‹+nikka› good

 

(13:30:51) ‹Sange› Imagedumps rule would be nice because we just leave the Touhou/higurashi/some others imagedumps up, and delete most others

(13:31:11) ‹Sange› and that's inconsistent and makes the users feel like janitor handpicks threads

(13:31:12) ‹+duanemoody› someone shitposting on /co/ about how terrible FOP is (which it is) and continually posting this nichijou character

(13:31:25) ‹+Bloom› FOP?

(13:31:26) ‹+duanemoody› https://boards.4chan.org/co/res/39577849#p39578005

(13:31:30) ‹+duanemoody› fairly odd parents

 

(13:31:43) ‹%kami`› avataring isn't really allowed

(13:31:51) ‹+Bloom› its not allowed at all

(13:31:53) ‹%kami`› its gay

 

(13:37:43) ‹+duanemoody› better idea, why don't they discuss games on /v/ or /vg/

(13:37:54) ‹+duanemoody› and use /jp/ to discuss actual japanese culture

(13:38:00) ‹+Azatsu› ...

(13:38:05) ‹+Azatsu› that would get rid of the board entirely

(13:38:12) ‹+duanemoody› downside is?

(13:38:18) ‹Sange› none lol

(13:38:23) ‹+Azatsu› yeah none but

(13:38:28) ‹+Azatsu› actually

(13:38:32) ‹+Azatsu› you will have /a/ spammed for months

(13:38:40) ‹+duanemoody› hey when i can get rid of toonami and digimon we can talk about "but my board culture"

 

(15:55:58) ‹+BluRay› okay so http://boards.4chan.org/vg/res/11305528

(15:57:21) ‹%dongfix› starcraft 2 is stupid

(15:57:22) ‹+BluRay› giving this a lookthrough i only see 10 posts so far about the actual game itt

(15:57:34) ‹%dongfix› yeah welcome to starcraft 2 on /vg/

(15:57:39) ‹+BluRay› and i'm halfway through

(15:58:31) ‹+Bloom› fucking centurylink

(15:58:40) ‹+Bloom› my internet just dies at random intervals all the fucking time

(15:58:45) ‹+BluRay› and what the hell is zyzzbird

(15:58:47) ‹+BluRay› anyway

(15:59:20) ‹+BluRay› i understand it's spammed to all hell but what is it exactly

 

(16:16:36) ‹+Bloom› https://boards.4chan.org/q/res/12540#p12540

(16:16:41) ‹+Bloom› surely this man is delusional

 

I let you be the judge over this.

 

(16:28:02) ‹+duanemoody› hey can we have a sticky on /co/ that says "NOT allowable: Ponies, sexism, porn (spoilered or not)"

(16:28:20) ‹+Azatsu› if you have been on /jp/ for at least a year you probably have heard of aoc

(16:28:24) ‹+duanemoody› s/sexism/tumblr_problems

(16:28:25) ‹+Azatsu› I highly doubt that applies to any janitor

(16:28:30) ‹+Aerolite› these stickies are a bit redundant, since all of that is already mentioned in the rules

(16:28:38) ‹+BluRay› you would think that

(16:28:50) ‹+BluRay› but people are dumb as hell

(16:28:50) ‹+Aerolite› people posting ponies on /co/ know it's against the rules, a sticky clarifying that won't stop them

(16:28:52) ‹+BluRay› : |

(16:29:09) ‹+duanemoody› people still believe spoiler is a porn/guro bandage

 

/co issue, non of my concern. It reveals that this one antipolitical Janitor exists.

 

(22:35:30) ‹~moots› i dont want janitors contributing to q

(22:35:38) ‹~moots› especially not on day 1

(22:35:47) ‹~moots› i'm already trying to figure out what policies to set for mods

(22:35:53) ‹~moots› anything you say will be screenshotted and spammed

(22:36:00) ‹~moots› as if it were spoken by god from the heavens

(22:36:17) ‹~moots› and per the janitor program orientation/rules, you can't represent the staff/clarify rules

(22:36:20) ‹~moots› it needs to come from a mod

(22:36:26) ‹~moots› so please do not post as a janito

(22:36:31) ‹~moots› you can post as a normal user and give your feedback

(22:36:37) ‹~moots› but you can't say "as /blah/ janitor, blah blah"

(22:36:40) ‹~moots› brb

 

These are his answers to Redwood's questions about proper /q etiquette for janitors.