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  1. [01:31:26] The Penguin: It's Omniknight from Fuwanovel. Nice to meet you!
  2. [01:34:30] *** zakamutt has shared contact details with The Penguin. ***
  3. [01:34:43] zakamutt: now I'm moderately intrigued
  4. [01:34:51] The Penguin: Greetings, Zakamutt.
  5. [01:35:04] The Penguin: Though I have much to offer
  6. [01:35:13] The Penguin: I’d like to know what you’re intrigued about first.
  7. [01:35:20] The Penguin: But to put it simply
  8. [01:35:27] The Penguin: You guys?and by that, I mean fuwanovel--
  9. [01:35:36] The Penguin: You guys have will but no power.
  10. [01:35:46] The Penguin: We have power and will
  11. [01:35:56] The Penguin: Yet we lack a platform to properly present ourselves.
  12. [01:36:12] The Penguin: I purposely targeted the conversation tonight because I’m free for the next four hours
  13. [01:36:35] The Penguin: And my ultimate goal is to undermine sekai project and promote a world of free VN's.
  14. [01:36:41] The Penguin: That aside
  15. [01:36:58] *** The Penguin sent lululu.jpg ***
  16. [01:37:11] The Penguin: You go first~
  17. [01:37:33] zakamutt: lemme see
  18. [01:39:48] zakamutt: 1. I am but a somewhat empowered grunt in the fuwa machinery
  19. 2. I am forbidden to do community outreach of any kind, you will have to ask Tay
  20. 3. Tay will turn you down with 100% certainty
  21. 4. I don't actually have an axe to grind with sekai project, despite some misgivings
  22.  
  23. 5. In conclusion, I am probably the wrong person to ask. Also holy vaguefagging moly.
  24. [01:40:23] The Penguin: 1. That is exactly what I take you to be, glad to see we’re on the same page
  25. [01:40:29] The Penguin: 2. What is community outreach again?
  26. [01:40:36] The Penguin: 3. I am talking with Tay as we speak
  27. [01:40:49] The Penguin: 4. Oh really? Let me explain some shady business to you.
  28. [01:41:12] The Penguin: 5. I think I grabbed the right person, if not a powerful ally. Things will become much less vague as time goes on.
  29. [01:41:31] The Penguin: I insist a response to my contentions.
  30. [01:43:59] zakamutt: 2. essentially anything that could be introducing some kind of new contact with a community, that would probably include even you
  31. 3. well, I'll seek verification then
  32. 4. feel free, though it will probably be hard to provide evidence
  33. 5. yay
  34. [01:44:49] The Penguin: :)
  35. [01:44:57] The Penguin: Sorry keep bothering you
  36. [01:45:27] The Penguin: But would it be appropriate to substitute public exposure and advertising in place of community outreach?
  37. [01:46:30] zakamutt: well, anything on the blog, for example, is ultimately his domain as well.
  38. [01:46:41] The Penguin: Archmage Tay?
  39. [01:46:46] zakamutt: yup
  40. [01:46:55] The Penguin: My question is
  41. [01:47:07] The Penguin: Whether Public Outreach = Advertisement.
  42. [01:47:27] zakamutt: you personally can freely make a thread on the forums
  43. [01:47:32] zakamutt: and yes
  44. [01:47:49 | Edited 01:47:56] zakamutt: any advertisement of your site or w/e initiated by us would count
  45. [01:47:59] The Penguin: Hora hora~
  46. [01:48:13] The Penguin: We don’t need any of that, Zakamutt-san~
  47. [01:48:22] The Penguin: https://www.youtube.com/user/Animenzzz
  48. [01:48:34] The Penguin: When that person is on your team, public outreach is the least of your concerns~
  49. [01:48:54] zakamutt: Oo
  50. [01:48:58] zakamutt: elaborate
  51. [01:49:09] The Penguin: *sigh*
  52. [01:49:16] The Penguin: Our group is filled with people like that person
  53. [01:49:27] The Penguin: http://www.asakurashinji.deviantart.com
  54. [01:49:35] The Penguin: http://riki-to.deviantart.com/
  55. [01:49:39] zakamutt: ah, so people with many followers.
  56. [01:49:50] The Penguin: That list goes on and on
  57. [01:50:01] The Penguin: And besides, even if I was Tay, I would refuse.
  58. [01:50:12] The Penguin: You can’t just post whatever BS people feed you.
  59. [01:50:28] The Penguin: The EVN industry is mostly crap anyway, but Fuwanovel isn’t a site for advertisement spam.
  60. [01:51:01] zakamutt: true, true. well, I have moderate hopes for the evn industry... eventually.
  61. [01:51:07] The Penguin: I have none.
  62. [01:51:27] The Penguin: The reason being, Indonesian / Vietnamese / Thai artists are so dominant as #2
  63. [01:51:35] The Penguin: #1 being Japanese and Korean
  64. [01:51:52] The Penguin: American staff just won’t be able to do it
  65. [01:51:59] The Penguin: And look at Kendo Crush.
  66. [01:52:15] The Penguin: Even if you have someone from one of those countries the scenario then goes haywire
  67. [01:52:26] The Penguin: One second you’re writing a slice of life that will be a free for all
  68. [01:52:45] The Penguin: Three months later the writer resigns, and it suddenly changes to a sci-fi novel with a pay to play system.
  69. [01:52:49] The Penguin: See something wrong here?
  70. [01:53:00] *** The Penguin sent lululu.jpg ***
  71. [01:53:43 | Edited 01:53:49] zakamutt: presumably making off with the writer's work would be a dick move
  72. [01:54:03] zakamutt: actual sunlight was p. good though
  73. [01:54:23] zakamutt: well, is oelvn potential related to the main topic?
  74. [01:54:32] The Penguin: Eh, somewhat.
  75. [01:54:40] The Penguin: But OELVN is… broken and useless at the moment.
  76. [01:54:45] The Penguin: One of the shining hopes was Dischan
  77. [01:55:27] The Penguin: But they broke too after Doomfest, RiceGnat and their programmer left at the same time
  78. [01:55:30] The Penguin: XD
  79. [01:55:43] zakamutt: don;'t really seem to have broken completely
  80. [01:55:52] The Penguin: Yes, yes :)
  81. [01:55:57] zakamutt: though I suppose we'll have to see how ep2 works out
  82. [01:56:00] The Penguin: They revived with DysSys II
  83. [01:56:03] The Penguin: But I’m 99% sure
  84. [01:57:25] The Penguin: http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/319/5/f/transformation_sequence_2_of_8_by_doomfest-d5l3ox1.jpg
  85. [01:57:32] The Penguin: if you’re used to seeing that all the time
  86. [01:57:38] The Penguin: https://dischan.co/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Winterspritesheetprelimsfix.png
  87. [01:57:43] The Penguin: That will most likely disappoint you
  88. [01:57:47] The Penguin: (Just saying)
  89. [01:58:04] zakamutt: ah yes the very old prelim sprites
  90. [01:58:33] The Penguin: Kinda surprised they didn’t update the sprite sheet in an eternity
  91. [01:58:50] The Penguin: They can hire quite a number of talented artist with that kind of money they raised
  92. [01:59:12] zakamutt: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dischan/dysfunctional-systems/posts/937651
  93. [01:59:50] The Penguin: No offense intended to Dischan, but their prime days seem to have left along with doomfest.
  94. [02:00:16] The Penguin: But I do have some faith
  95. [02:00:25] The Penguin: Because they’re…the best right now, at least.
  96. [02:00:47] zakamutt: indeed
  97. [02:00:59] zakamutt: well, I admit to not caring that much about art
  98. [02:01:00] The Penguin: If Ep 2 turns out to be anything below Ep 1
  99. [02:01:09] The Penguin: Then this world is completely broken
  100. [02:01:23] The Penguin: *sigh* well I’m a huge art connoisseur
  101. [02:01:43] The Penguin: The Penguin shakes head slowly
  102. [02:01:46] zakamutt: larger perspective it will hurt though
  103. [02:01:53] The Penguin: Hmm, how?
  104. [02:02:04] zakamutt: because people other than me care more about art w
  105. [02:02:40 | Edited 02:02:47] zakamutt: that said it really doesn't look that bad by now
  106. [02:02:51] The Penguin: ......
  107. [02:03:01] The Penguin: My my, how depressing this industry has become.
  108. [02:03:05] The Penguin: The Penguin sighs sadly
  109. [02:03:21] The Penguin: Anyway I digress.
  110. [02:03:33] The Penguin: Shall we move onto the main conversation, if you feel comfortable doing so?
  111. [02:03:51] zakamutt: please do.
  112. [02:04:29] The Penguin: My team and I have gathered the most promising talents in the fields of Animanga.
  113. [02:04:47] The Penguin: Art, music, programming, and scriptwriting.
  114. [02:04:55] The Penguin: Some of us students, the rest of us professionals.
  115. [02:05:18] The Penguin: We stand with the united notion that truly immersive stories have died off with FFX.
  116. [02:05:41] The Penguin: We stand with the united notion that the OELVN industry (which is really a ridiculous and arbitrary name) craves for salvation.
  117. [02:06:07] The Penguin: Part of that involves Fuwanovel--
  118. [02:06:28] zakamutt: craving for salvation?
  119. [02:06:35] The Penguin: Yes.
  120. [02:06:39] The Penguin: The users, especially.
  121. [02:06:54] The Penguin: It pains me to see rudimentary projects raise thousands of dollars on kickstarter.
  122. [02:07:05] The Penguin: What exactly have we become?
  123. [02:07:11] The Penguin: To lower our standards so low?
  124. [02:07:27] The Penguin: Most of the English speaking majority now resorts to translated VN’s, you know that right?
  125. [02:07:55] zakamutt: a decent many only play them oelvns too
  126. [02:08:14] The Penguin: Which ones?
  127. [02:08:15] zakamutt: but in the more hardcore fandom it's translated, yes
  128. [02:08:24] The Penguin: So getting back to my point
  129. [02:08:49] The Penguin: Part of the problem is the language barrier combined with extraordinary prices, let alone the difficulty of actually getting one.
  130. [02:09:13] The Penguin: I feel Fuwanovel is really doing a great job in helping people wake up, metaphorically.
  131. [02:09:37] The Penguin: It is a sad fact of life that there are people that think OELVN’s are the best VN’s can offer.
  132. [02:09:55] The Penguin: But as translated and pirated VN’s slowly creep into the industry, they slowly open their eyes to the blinding truth.
  133. [02:10:35] The Penguin: I feel Fuwanovel is really doing a great job on this, especially since they’re doing it for free with such an approachable method.
  134. [02:10:53] zakamutt: well, we're certainly trying at least
  135. [02:11:14 | Edited 02:11:23] zakamutt: though the official localizations get all the media attention, because legitimacy
  136. [02:11:31] The Penguin: The Penguin slams table
  137. [02:11:35] The Penguin: Precisely.
  138. [02:11:45] The Penguin: But to continue on with my train of thought
  139. [02:12:08] The Penguin: History reveals that the intellectuals always want to keep the public ignorant.
  140. [02:12:23] The Penguin: Why? Because ignorance is a powerful tool you can use to gain power and riches.
  141. [02:12:33] The Penguin: The Penguin slowly gets angrier
  142. [02:12:52] The Penguin: That’s exactly what Sekai Project is.
  143. [02:13:07] The Penguin: No wonder that they threatened to contact your web service provider, eh?
  144. [02:13:20] The Penguin: Yes, I’m talking about the Dobacco incident with Grisaia.
  145. [02:13:36] zakamutt: I know all about it
  146. [02:14:02] zakamutt: I guess we were the only really public distributor left
  147. [02:14:18] zakamutt: and/or the only one that seemed to want to consider removing it due to our new leader
  148. [02:14:38] The Penguin: New leader?
  149. [02:14:48] The Penguin: Now that’s a piece of information I’m unfamiliar with.
  150. [02:14:54] zakamutt: well, more like
  151. [02:14:56] The Penguin: Please enlighten me.
  152. [02:15:16] zakamutt: tay is now actually taking the reins, instead of continuing any aaeru-centered legacy
  153. [02:15:24] zakamutt: and he wants to go more legit.
  154. [02:15:45] zakamutt: the decision to remove the torrent wasn't necessarily to avoid host problems
  155. [02:15:45] The Penguin: Aaeru-centered legacy?
  156. [02:15:55] The Penguin: Wait wait
  157. [02:16:01] The Penguin: What’s this about Aaeru-centered legacy
  158. [02:16:10] The Penguin: Aaeru is basically the beacon of hope
  159. [02:16:17] The Penguin: The last hope against this onslaught of oppressors
  160. [02:16:39] zakamutt: yeah, he's movign away from aaeru's stances on copyright and all
  161. [02:16:51] The Penguin: So what happened to aaeru again…?!
  162. [02:17:03] zakamutt: apparently she got burnt out
  163. [02:17:08] The Penguin: ......
  164. [02:17:17] The Penguin: The Penguin faints
  165. [02:17:32] zakamutt: she just faded away, didn't leave us with a decent bit of stuff we couldve needed like the twitter account lol
  166. [02:17:39] The Penguin: Stop right there
  167. [02:17:46] The Penguin: I would like to apply for your leadership position
  168. [02:18:04] The Penguin: And I have every single capability, influence and reasoning to show why I’m probably the best leader you guys will ever have.
  169. [02:18:13] The Penguin: I’m a strict constitutionalist
  170. [02:18:45] The Penguin: Which means I worship Aaeru and on the side of publication of all visual novels
  171. [02:18:58] The Penguin: To find my last hope about to smolder is a CRIME I cannot tolerate
  172. [02:19:07] The Penguin: The Penguin starts to shake in fury
  173. [02:19:21] The Penguin: I hold the key to winning this battle.
  174. [02:19:40] The Penguin: So tell me all about your new leader, whose policies I find heavily offensive to Aaeru’s hard work
  175. [02:19:53] The Penguin: And tell me all about the current situation
  176. [02:20:01] zakamutt: well, you can see his thoughts in some longfuck podcasts if onterested
  177. [02:20:10] The Penguin: Summarize them for me
  178. [02:20:17] The Penguin: I’ll listen to them when I can’t go to sleep :)
  179. [02:20:54] zakamutt: He certainly does want to continue spreading the awareness of the VN medium
  180. [02:21:18] zakamutt: however, he thinks that "ultimately, having vn torrents harms vns" or something
  181. [02:21:40] zakamutt: idk
  182. [02:21:51] The Penguin: Come here.
  183. [02:21:52] zakamutt: he actually said vn /industry/ I think
  184. [02:21:54] The Penguin: Come here
  185. [02:22:13] The Penguin: You disagree with that, don’t you.
  186. [02:22:17] zakamutt: of course
  187. [02:22:20] zakamutt: it's retarded
  188. [02:22:22] The Penguin: And if you follow in on that policy
  189. [02:22:29] The Penguin: Fuwanovel will disappear within the next ten years
  190. [02:22:38] The Penguin: Sekai Project is going to get more and more vicious
  191. [02:22:43] The Penguin: Because it’s essentially you vs. them.
  192. [02:22:53] The Penguin: The Penguin starts shaking in fury
  193. [02:23:15] The Penguin: I will personally barge in and reinstate Aaeru’s blessed legacy.
  194. [02:23:22] The Penguin: The Penguin offers hand
  195. [02:23:27] The Penguin: Help me.
  196. [02:23:48] zakamutt: you're planning to take over the servers, or create a new repository?
  197. [02:23:54] The Penguin: Either way works
  198. [02:24:03] The Penguin: Honestly here’s what I’d like to do
  199. [02:24:16] The Penguin: I just want to remake fuwanovel from ground up with the current mess
  200. [02:24:41] The Penguin: All files, users, databases, articles etc will obviously be preserved
  201. [02:24:51] The Penguin: But I just want to give the site a whole new sleek and professional look too
  202. [02:25:01] The Penguin: And that, my friend--
  203. [02:25:07] The Penguin: pinlin.deviantart.com
  204. [02:25:11] The Penguin: asakurashinji.deviantart.com
  205. [02:25:17] The Penguin: batusawa.deviantart.com
  206. [02:25:22] The Penguin: riki-to.deviantart.com
  207. [02:25:26] The Penguin: evil-s.deviantart.com
  208. [02:25:32] The Penguin: Those guys will get it done in no time.
  209. [02:25:51] The Penguin: Combined with our web developer Nayleen and Jaime Franco Arevalo.
  210. [02:26:08] The Penguin: I think holding a public vote about this would be a great idea
  211. [02:26:21] The Penguin: Like a poll or something.
  212. [02:26:41] zakamutt: hmm
  213. [02:26:51] The Penguin: You can think of all the various options
  214. [02:26:54] The Penguin: While I will make it happen
  215. [02:27:26] The Penguin: Right now we need to throw your new “leader” out
  216. [02:27:36] The Penguin: Hear me, Zakamutt-san.
  217. [02:27:56] The Penguin: If you don’t advocate torrents and free VN’s, fuwanovel will become vndb #2.
  218. [02:28:03] The Penguin: ...lol
  219. [02:28:07] The Penguin: And before you know it?
  220. [02:28:12] The Penguin: VNSharing will get shot down
  221. [02:28:22] The Penguin: Nyaa.se will get shot down
  222. [02:28:27] The Penguin: This is just the beginning
  223. [02:28:43] The Penguin: It makes me INEXPLICABLY INFURIATED that you chose a leader like that when the fight has only begun
  224. [02:28:48] The Penguin: It INFURIATES ME.
  225. [02:29:43] The Penguin: How did you choose this…leader anyway?
  226. [02:29:59] The Penguin: The Penguin shakes in anger
  227. [02:30:22] zakamutt: He was the only valid option capable of leadership in the admin group after aaeru faded
  228. [02:30:59] The Penguin: And how do you become an admin again?
  229. [02:31:00] zakamutt: there was no vote or anything
  230. [02:31:07] zakamutt: aaeru picked him
  231. [02:31:11] zakamutt: afaik
  232. [02:31:20] The Penguin: Please clarify.
  233. [02:31:26] The Penguin: Aaeru picks admins?
  234. [02:31:34] The Penguin: Or Aaeru picked him as a leader?
  235. [02:31:49] zakamutt: think it was p, much bothish
  236. [02:32:03] The Penguin: Hmm? I don’t understand.
  237. [02:32:54] zakamutt: aaeru picked him as an admin in the beginning, aaeru kidna accepted him as the leader in the end. Completely? I can't read minds, and certainly not those of people in the past.
  238. [02:33:26] The Penguin: This is just nonsense
  239. [02:33:50] The Penguin: You pick admins based on community contributions
  240. [02:34:09] The Penguin: But you appoint leaders based on his beliefs and affiliations
  241. [02:34:32] The Penguin: If what you said is true, he is doing an even greater wrong by not following in Aaeru’s footsteps.
  242. [02:34:35] The Penguin: Get me in there.
  243. [02:34:40] The Penguin: And my team will speak for itself.
  244. [02:34:56] The Penguin: I hereby proclaim my intention to become the next leader of Fuwanovel.
  245. [02:35:13] zakamutt: alright
  246. [02:35:22] zakamutt: how can I get you in there, then?
  247. [02:35:30] The Penguin: You tell me.
  248. [02:35:35] The Penguin: What are the viable options
  249. [02:35:39] The Penguin: And what do I need to do
  250. [02:35:39] The Penguin: Also
  251. [02:35:49] The Penguin: What kind of responsibilities would being the next leader entail
  252. [02:35:53] The Penguin: Weekly Skype chats?
  253. [02:35:57] The Penguin: Daily blog posts?
  254. [02:36:06] The Penguin: Pretend we’re running for presidential election
  255. [02:36:26] The Penguin: I was just nominated by the… torrent party XD
  256. [02:36:33] The Penguin: You now have to brief me from ground zero up.
  257. [02:36:35] The Penguin: Go.
  258. [02:36:51] zakamutt: lemme see... hmm
  259. [02:37:13] zakamutt: when I said a grunt, I really mean it. if I have power, it's really mostly about knowing people, lol.
  260. [02:37:29] The Penguin: As far as I know, it’s only you and Tay?
  261. [02:37:31] zakamutt: well, you said it yourself, server takeover or building your own
  262. [02:37:50] zakamutt: every single global moderator has more power than me.
  263. [02:38:05] The Penguin: And they all accepted this new leader?
  264. [02:38:15] zakamutt: as far as I can tell, yes
  265. [02:38:43] zakamutt: I suppose you could read something into him removing some old mods recently though
  266. [02:38:57] zakamutt: as for responsibilities?
  267. [02:39:01] The Penguin: Pause
  268. [02:39:06] zakamutt: ke.
  269. [02:39:09] The Penguin: Help me take over the servers
  270. [02:39:20] The Penguin: Because I have two VN projects and a RPG project running
  271. [02:39:27] The Penguin: So I can’t really devote to maintaining a whole new site
  272. [02:39:45] The Penguin: When our VN projects launch in KS, then I’ll maybe consider building a whole new site
  273. [02:39:56] The Penguin: Right now I’ll just have to be content with server takeover
  274. [02:40:38] The Penguin: Help me, please.
  275. [02:41:00] The Penguin: And screw responsibilities, even if I have to do a thousand things, I am going to do them because the future of Fuwa in on our hands.
  276. [02:41:26] zakamutt: hmm
  277. [02:41:53] zakamutt: I'll be completely honest: I don't have a snowball's chance in hell to help you with a servertakeover
  278. [02:41:58] zakamutt: nor do I want to.
  279. [02:42:13] zakamutt: I don't oppose you starting an independent repository site
  280. [02:42:27] zakamutt: in fact, I hope this happens of fuwa ever decides to take down torrents
  281. [02:42:31] zakamutt: but.
  282. [02:42:55] The Penguin: It will happen relatively soon, then.
  283. [02:42:57] zakamutt: Your VN projects and things will have to stand on their own merits
  284. [02:43:07] The Penguin: Forget about my VN projects etc
  285. [02:43:12] The Penguin: They’re not related to this
  286. [02:43:29] The Penguin: Can you do me a favor?
  287. [02:43:34] zakamutt: potentially.
  288. [02:43:44] The Penguin: Gather all the people who have power on fuwanovel
  289. [02:43:48] The Penguin: No more than ten please
  290. [02:43:57] The Penguin: And ask them to schedule a joint meeting.
  291. [02:44:18] The Penguin: On Skype, facebook, google hangouts, whatever.
  292. [02:44:27] The Penguin: I’m very sure your “leader” didn’t do this
  293. [02:44:43] The Penguin: But when there is a new leader, he/she always makes an inaugural address.
  294. [02:44:49] The Penguin: He also makes an address on the current state.
  295. [02:44:59] The Penguin: I will make those addresses
  296. [02:45:08] The Penguin: And win over these admins, using Aaeru’s legacy.
  297. [02:45:33] The Penguin: My arguments are all based in Aaeru’s original works by the way
  298. [02:45:41] The Penguin: And that means her writings on her website, blog etc
  299. [02:45:52] The Penguin: So to go against me is to go against Aaeru.
  300. [02:45:57] The Penguin: Can you do that for me?
  301. [02:46:36] The Penguin: And just to reconfirm, my personal projects have no affiliations with this
  302. [02:46:39] zakamutt: lemme see... you want me to contact ten people that have power and have them speak to you on a choice of leaders
  303. [02:46:44] The Penguin: Yes
  304. [02:46:48] zakamutt: well
  305. [02:46:52] The Penguin: And just to reconfirm, my personal projects have no affiliations with this
  306. [02:46:53 | Edited 02:47:10] zakamutt: less than ten potentially
  307. [02:46:58] The Penguin: Lesser the better
  308. [02:47:07] The Penguin: More people is just harder to gather and also takes more effort to convince
  309. [02:47:23] The Penguin: Can I assume you’re on my side, though?
  310. [02:47:41] The Penguin: We’ll base the power structure on the American government, and the first thing I’ll do is appoint my cabinet
  311. [02:47:52] The Penguin: Set a precedent for everyone that goes after me
  312. [02:48:01] The Penguin: Anyway, I digress again. Ugh.
  313. [02:48:08] The Penguin: 1. May I safely assume you’re on my side?
  314. [02:48:14] The Penguin: 2. How many people, when and how?
  315. [02:50:35] zakamutt: 1. I am not on your side when it comes to a server takeover.
  316. 2. If you want to create an alternate repository, please do. Be aware that you'll have to face high server bills, C&D evasion problems etc.
  317. 3. none, hell freezing over,with noodles.
  318. [02:50:46] zakamutt: you took a long time doing this and I'm sorry to upset you
  319. [02:51:08] zakamutt: but ultimately I don't like your disruptive approach, and I think it would have a bad effect
  320. [02:51:29] zakamutt: You also seem moderately unfit to lead
  321. [02:51:50] The Penguin: Okay.
  322. [02:51:54] The Penguin: If you don’t like my approach
  323. [02:51:56] zakamutt: Also, the log's going to Tay. I have my disagreements with him.. but in the end, he's the best choice for now.
  324. [02:52:06] The Penguin: Please tell me what you would suggest.
  325. [02:52:10] The Penguin: If you don’t like my approach.
  326. [02:52:36] The Penguin: And you didn’t upset me.
  327. [02:52:47] zakamutt: simple. Create a site that does what fuwa does, but maintains your own ideals
  328. [02:52:54] zakamutt: If it's better, it will win, right?
  329. [02:53:01] zakamutt: free competition
  330. [02:53:02] zakamutt: ~
  331. [02:53:08] The Penguin: The problem being
  332. [02:53:14] The Penguin: I don’t want to compete with Fuwanovel
  333. [02:53:24] The Penguin: Because I feel it’s a special place aaeru has created
  334. [02:53:39] The Penguin: Also
  335. [02:53:47] The Penguin: Simply removing your current leader
  336. [02:53:52] The Penguin: And actually electing a legitimate one
  337. [02:54:00] The Penguin: Is a much easier process logistically
  338. [02:54:15] The Penguin: I don’t have to reassign everything to everyone, and I don’t have to make terabytes of file transfers.
  339. [02:54:30] The Penguin: To catch up with Fuwanovel’s database alone
  340. [02:54:42] The Penguin: It would take a minimum of three years, full time.
  341. [02:55:03] The Penguin: I apologize for getting out of hand earlier, but I really didn’t realize it was this bad.
  342. [02:55:31] The Penguin: I am sure that once the other admins hear my words, they’ll think otherwise.
  343. [02:55:45] The Penguin: And yes, I will prepare official copies of the documents for everyone.
  344. [02:56:03] The Penguin: From my experience working and being commissioned, there are many holes in fuwa’s infrastructure.
  345. [02:56:22] The Penguin: Sekai Project is much more well organized, and they’re ready to strike. Not to mention that they’re not the only one.
  346. [02:56:33] The Penguin: I think we can do this.
  347. [02:56:46] The Penguin: And unfortunately, competition just isn’t a viable option at this point
  348. [02:57:03] The Penguin: There’s simply too much “stuff” for our new site to catch up anytime soon
  349. [02:57:18] The Penguin: Grant me an audience, please.
  350. [02:57:20] zakamutt: You sure you need to truly mirror it, though?
  351. [02:57:29] The Penguin: Please clarify.
  352. [02:58:00] zakamutt: the site's database. At the very least, the forums might be sacrificable
  353. [02:58:02] zakamutt: idk
  354. [02:58:15] zakamutt: otherwise...
  355. [02:58:34] The Penguin: Yes
  356. [02:58:40] The Penguin: The forums are sacrificable
  357. [02:58:43] The Penguin: But the database is a must
  358. [02:58:44] zakamutt: I simply can't support taking it over
  359. [02:58:57] The Penguin: Yet you disagree with your leader?
  360. [02:59:01] The Penguin: I find this highly ironic...
  361. [02:59:09] zakamutt: you have to understand this.
  362. [02:59:12] The Penguin: Yes.
  363. [02:59:23] zakamutt: you can disagree with a person in some respects, yet still work with him.
  364. [02:59:47] The Penguin: This disagreement is too much though
  365. [02:59:53] The Penguin: He’s leading you to destruction
  366. [03:00:05] The Penguin: There are tolerable and intolerable aspects
  367. [03:00:08] The Penguin: This is intolerable
  368. [03:00:09] zakamutt: if you want to drum up support - speak for yourself. The list of admins is right there on the forums. Send them a PM. I don't think Tay can see them all that easy
  369. [03:00:27] The Penguin: That’s exactly what I requested earlier.
  370. [03:00:34] The Penguin: Please grant me an audience.
  371. [03:00:38] The Penguin: And I really can’t do this alone.
  372. [03:00:57] The Penguin: You seem to be on the same boat as I am
  373. [03:01:04] The Penguin: At least regarding beliefs
  374. [03:01:21] The Penguin: If scheduling a joint meeting is too much for you
  375. [03:01:28] The Penguin: Then at least grant me all their Skype addresses.
  376. [03:02:05] The Penguin: And I say this again, but I can’t do this alone. I’d really appreciate if you came on my side?especially since we both know that appeasement just leads to destruction.
  377. [03:02:27] The Penguin: You need to take a rigid and firm stance on this which is something that your leader is lacking (at least from what I’ve heard so far)
  378. [03:02:43] The Penguin: If scheduling a joint meeting is too much for you
  379. Then at least grant me all their Skype addresses.
  380. [03:03:14] zakamutt: I'll give you a very simple way to contact them via forum PM, but no more.. this is public info anyway http://forums.fuwanovel.org/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=stats&do=leaders
  381. [03:03:33] zakamutt: you're looking for the admins that are not admin or aaeru, and the global moderators
  382. [03:03:53] zakamutt: I will not give you their skype names, that is a breach of privacy.
  383. [03:04:49] zakamutt: I will not help you undermine the site with sec details or whatever (not that I have them), that is underminingfree competition by shutting somethign down - say, getting C&D'd like Aaeru did from MG
  384. [03:05:11] The Penguin: Wait, sec details?
  385. [03:05:14] zakamutt: and it's late... and this conversation is over
  386. [03:05:18] zakamutt: security or whatever
  387. [03:05:24] The Penguin: I never asked for that.
  388. [03:05:25] zakamutt: if you were planning to hack
  389. [03:05:29] The Penguin: I’m asking for a legitimate takeover
  390. [03:05:33] The Penguin: Through open discussion
  391. [03:05:35] zakamutt: or resort to rubber hose cryptography
  392. [03:05:40] zakamutt: well
  393. [03:05:44] The Penguin: LOL
  394. [03:06:03] zakamutt: I gave you the info you need to contact the people in power. most seriously!
  395. [03:06:07] zakamutt: now.
  396. [03:06:10] zakamutt: Godspeed.
  397. [03:06:15] zakamutt: This conversation is over.
  398. [03:06:31] The Penguin: it's 3AM for you?
  399. [03:06:47] zakamutt: yup
  400. [03:07:01] The Penguin: Can I talk to you 1PM tomorrow?
  401. [03:07:10] The Penguin: No make that 5PM
  402. [03:07:19] zakamutt: no
  403. [03:07:25] zakamutt: too much energy for no real benefit
  404. [03:07:40] The Penguin: What time would be good for you, then?
  405. [03:07:44] zakamutt: none
  406. [03:08:05] zakamutt: the time that matters is the time taken away from me by conversing with a person I am no logner interested in conversing with
  407. [03:08:40 | Edited 03:08:48] zakamutt: (though if you feel like broaching topics not related to a fuwa takeover you might be interesting, I guess)
  408. [03:09:03] The Penguin: I see.
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