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  1. balto: hey so uh
  2. balto: i wanted to talk about the league thing
  3. @Nani Man: yea i found out about it
  4. balto: you want the league to be in the room?
  5. balto: i didn't uh,bring it here because i didn't get a clear answer from you about whether you wanted a league
  6. balto: since you said you thought it wasn't a good idea
  7. @Nani Man: i dont really see a need for it and you are allowed to do whatever you want but the problem is staff putting more attention ovr there
  8. balto: i mean
  9. balto: i'd be more than happy to talk to them about coming here
  10. balto: but there isn't much support here
  11. balto: we get our own chat in frost
  12. balto: and a lot of challenger community is there
  13. balto: making a league here isn't as simple as you think lol.
  14. balto: so basically we'd have to stay on frost in either situation.
  15. @Nani Man: im going to run it by some staff. if people want a league then i see no problem hosting it here
  16. balto: but uh
  17. balto: you do understand we'd have to stay on frost right?
  18. balto: i mean
  19. @Nani Man: no?
  20. balto: lol
  21. balto: the chat helps a lot with organizing our league
  22. balto: im open to being on both
  23. @Nani Man: if you want to keep your league thats fine but i expect some actiity and contribution here
  24. @Nani Man: i just want a balance
  25. balto: most of the people participating in the league still moderate here
  26. @Nani Man: the only issue is im noticing people are putting more effort elsewhere
  27. balto: i mean
  28. balto: if there would be a chance of us getting a private room that would work
  29. balto: but with our leagues state right now,which is one of my main priorities, we need organization
  30. @Nani Man: and thats the problem
  31. @Nani Man: i see no balance w/ here
  32. balto: i'd say it'd be easier to have a balance if we had a room here
  33. @Nani Man: and it feels as if staff and contribution to here is swaying
  34. @Nani Man: we aren't getting a room for a league
  35. @Nani Man: and if you cant find a balance then your priority clearly lies elsewhere and not here
  36. balto: we still have interest in this room.
  37. @Nani Man: it doesnt seem like it
  38. balto: who exactly is this directed at personally?
  39. balto: individuals i mean?
  40. @Nani Man: its not personal to anyone. its in general
  41. @Nani Man: i see no amibition in general to try better the room
  42. @Nani Man: and it sucks to see
  43. @Nani Man: i mean, i love monotype and i want us to keep growing
  44. balto: the league isn't exactly,the uh
  45. balto: only reason for lack of ambition
  46. @Nani Man: what is then
  47. balto: idk if i should tell you
  48. @Nani Man: tell me
  49. balto: ill come across as a slum
  50. @Nani Man: you wont
  51. @Nani Man: im not a dick
  52. balto: well uh
  53. balto: ive been voice for a large, amount of time
  54. balto: (this is myself)
  55. balto: and i feel like when i do grind and help
  56. balto: i don't get any progress towards my driver
  57. balto: im being completely honest with you
  58. balto: idk if you think me and dirpz are power hungry
  59. balto: but that's my personal thought lol
  60. balto: some others just don't like the tone the room has taken
  61. @Nani Man: are these people auth?
  62. @Nani Man: also, you were being sconsidered for driver jsyk
  63. balto: no.
  64. @Nani Man: no, i want you to be honest
  65. balto: well,yes
  66. balto: .
  67. balto: i don't wanna mention names
  68. balto: cause honestly
  69. balto: i don't wanna be 'that guy'
  70. @Nani Man: what auth are apart of this?
  71. balto: who gets somebody demoted for what i see as personal good
  72. @Nani Man: i need to know
  73. balto: its only one person that has told me
  74. @Nani Man: i wont mention you
  75. @Nani Man: at all
  76. balto: dude,he's my friend lol.as much as i'd like to see the room grow
  77. balto: i don't wanna see him demoted
  78. balto: can you like
  79. balto: not demote him if i tell you?
  80. @Nani Man: honestly, it depends who it is
  81. @Nani Man: and i wont demote on the spot
  82. balto: you promise you'll warning first?
  83. balto: demote second?
  84. @Nani Man: sure. assuming they've had no warning
  85. balto: srixis
  86. @Nani Man: that was obvious
  87. balto: he does good work for the frost monotype room
  88. @Nani Man: his activity has dropped drastically
  89. @Nani Man: yep
  90. @Nani Man: this is the problem
  91. @Nani Man: do you see now?
  92. balto: ...
  93. balto: err
  94. balto: are you saying the other priorities are?
  95. @Nani Man: what do you mean
  96. balto: @Nani Man: this is the problem
  97. balto: @Nani Man: do you see now?
  98. balto: i mean
  99. balto: you're saying frost/league is the problem
  100. balto: ?
  101. @Nani Man: one of the problems
  102. balto: yeah uh
  103. balto: you're going to lose people when you get that drastic of a change in staff
  104. balto: especially considering how good of friends the staff were lol
  105. @Nani Man: this hurts tbh. i really wanted the room to get better but people dont care about the room
  106. balto: you want my honest opinion?
  107. @Nani Man: yes
  108. balto: i don't see the room improving tbh. we're another generic tier room with another generic staff. the other room(not trying to be spiteful) had just a good feeling to it, and a caring staff that felt more like a friend than a teacher.
  109. balto: not to crique yourself because you've tried improvements
  110. balto: like official tournaments
  111. balto: and those are good ideaas
  112. @Nani Man: all im getting from this is globals v regs again
  113. @Nani Man: this is so annoying
  114. balto: but if people don't bond with said staff,there isn't reason to continue to come
  115. balto: no man
  116. balto: not at all
  117. balto: im not trying to be all 'fuck globals' im telling you my honest opinion
  118. @Nani Man: the only staff that changed were 2 ROs and some drivers
  119. @Nani Man: and kevin was the one who did the demotions
  120. @Nani Man: not the globals
  121. balto: i was under the impression he was forced to do it
  122. balto: true or nah
  123. @Nani Man: no. he gave us a list of who is not good
  124. @Nani Man: because he was asked to review staff
  125. balto: can i rant to you about one more thing
  126. @Nani Man: yes
  127. @Nani Man: you should of done this a long time ago
  128. balto: okay,so you have two ros
  129. @Nani Man: 3
  130. balto: i was scared
  131. balto: cuz everybody got demoted
  132. balto: treecko and haunter
  133. balto: they had fucking conflicting reasons
  134. balto: haunter comes here,to like clear staff and get rid of a circlejerk
  135. balto: 'circlejerk'
  136. balto: anyway
  137. balto: and then sae gets driver in under a week by treecko
  138. balto: like
  139. balto: right after a load of staff got cleared
  140. balto: and i pm treecko
  141. balto: and she/he says that they're just the tier leader,and haunter does what haunter does
  142. balto: hold on,let me find something
  143. @Nani Man: sure
  144. balto: http://pastebin.com/RT23xpFh
  145. balto: this is what i meant
  146. @Nani Man: i see
  147. balto: my last thing is
  148. balto: this doesn't feel like a community
  149. balto: it feels like a job
  150. balto: that's why people have lost interest :p
  151. @Nani Man: what people?
  152. @Nani Man: obviously theres more than srixis
  153. @Nani Man: im not going to demote anyone
  154. balto: i mean
  155. balto: auburn doesn't play much in general anymore
  156. balto: but
  157. balto: like
  158. balto: trying to do this without sounding like a prick
  159. @Nani Man: sound like aprick
  160. @Nani Man: i dont mind
  161. balto: i don't think warning these people afterwards will change anything
  162. @Nani Man: i know
  163. balto: another generic set of staff would get recruited
  164. balto: they'll find something enjoyable
  165. balto: and leave
  166. balto: then process repeats
  167. @Nani Man: what is 'something enjoyable'
  168. balto: .
  169. balto: something like the league,that they're wanting to put time into
  170. balto: i said earlier this feels more like a job
  171. balto: mainly cuz we teach and babysit
  172. balto: and im fine with the teaching part
  173. @Nani Man: you are free to quit then
  174. balto: i don't want to quit nani.
  175. @Nani Man: no one is forced to stay here
  176. balto: i enjoy helping with teams,and i have hope this'll be a community
  177. @Nani Man: why aren't you trying to help then instead of hurting it more?
  178. @Nani Man: its because frost is appealing for 2 reasons: easy power, rules are not enforced as much
  179. @Nani Man: thats the problem
  180. balto: you wanted my honest opinions
  181. @Nani Man: ik
  182. @Nani Man: and im giving you mine
  183. balto: i like you nani,because you seem to be the only RO that cares here
  184. balto: chandy has irl problems, which i understand
  185. balto: but honestly the others are meh
  186. @Nani Man: ty man and i like you too. its really hard being the only active RO atm but i try my best
  187. @Nani Man: and its hard when i cant trust my staf
  188. balto: i think the staff would react to a RO they know, very well
  189. balto: like aquasound being RO,or Omega
  190. balto: i know being the only active guy is tough
  191. balto: i haven't seen treecko in the room for a good month
  192. balto: shaymin barely speaks in chat
  193. balto: which is bad, considering RO's are 'vocal leaders'
  194. balto: and symbolic leaders
  195. balto: chandy has back problems or health issues
  196. @Nani Man: yea she has problems
  197. balto: and that leaves you alone 90% of the time
  198. @Nani Man: uh, can you do me a favour
  199. @Nani Man: anttya, auburn, auraburst, betahousing, capnslinky, deathonwings, eseries1b, failatbattling, gymleadesrixis, hutyro, imystogan, klink182, mattlikespie2, pandon, procne, shadorai, zewwok
  200. @Nani Man: those are all our drivers
  201. balto: yeah?
  202. @Nani Man: which ones do you know dislike the room?
  203. @Nani Man: (im not going to demote anyone)
  204. balto: sigh
  205. @Nani Man: its purely to measure up
  206. @Nani Man: how big a problem
  207. balto: none of them that i know dislike the room
  208. balto: they just
  209. balto: don't have motivation
  210. @Nani Man: ok, what one dont have mtivation
  211. @Nani Man: id apprciate this
  212. balto: i can tell you the ones i know
  213. balto: lol
  214. @Nani Man: ok
  215. balto: but im not acquainted with all drivers
  216. @Nani Man: ik
  217. balto: auburn is getting his life together irl,so he's not completely focused
  218. balto: cyan is involved with the league but as far as i know he's still commited here
  219. balto: i don't see e much online anymore,probably because most of her friends are gone but that's just a guess
  220. balto: srixis is RO on the frost server in monotype, and he does great work there
  221. balto: idk who the fuck hutryo
  222. balto: is
  223. balto: is zewwok global
  224. balto: ?
  225. @Nani Man: nah. he is aus
  226. balto: o
  227. @Nani Man: his activity has dropped and he clearly lost motivation too
  228. balto: anttya has classes irl,so she's taken time from her league and main
  229. balto: i think DoW is aus, but i don't see him that much
  230. balto: shadorai is american i believe,barely gets on
  231. @Nani Man: yea
  232. balto: didn't know the guy personally though
  233. @Nani Man: i hardly see him
  234. balto: aura says a sentence maybe once a week
  235. @Nani Man: lmfao
  236. balto: idk who pandon is
  237. balto: fail is in a league but he's still commited
  238. balto: considering he's here daily
  239. @Nani Man: yea
  240. balto: capn beta and i think klink still come here
  241. @Nani Man: yea
  242. balto: idk who pandon is
  243. balto: i don't think ive seen him recently,but i seriously never notice the dude
  244. @Nani Man: he is global and usuallyonly goes on at night time
  245. @Nani Man: for aus
  246. balto: oh
  247. balto: i think matt has been committed since he's came back
  248. balto: and that's all of them i think
  249. @Nani Man: yep he has
  250. @Nani Man: alright
  251. @Nani Man: well
  252. @Nani Man: so basically, you can host your league and do whatever you want. im just going to make a post in our smogon pm as a warning to all staff
  253. balto: alright,i understand.
  254. balto: i really hope you consider what i told you today man.
  255. balto: namely promoting a new RO
  256. @Nani Man: that is what haunter and co. meant man
  257. @Nani Man: circlejerk
  258. @Nani Man: we are not getting back into that
  259. balto: sigh
  260. @Nani Man: if someone is deserving, they are promoted
  261. balto: ill try to be on more these next weeks
  262. @Nani Man: thats how it goes
  263. balto: i leave for religion camp in a week though
  264. @Nani Man: that is cool man. hope you enjoy it
  265. balto: i won't
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