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- balto: hey so uh
- balto: i wanted to talk about the league thing
- @Nani Man: yea i found out about it
- balto: you want the league to be in the room?
- balto: i didn't uh,bring it here because i didn't get a clear answer from you about whether you wanted a league
- balto: since you said you thought it wasn't a good idea
- @Nani Man: i dont really see a need for it and you are allowed to do whatever you want but the problem is staff putting more attention ovr there
- balto: i mean
- balto: i'd be more than happy to talk to them about coming here
- balto: but there isn't much support here
- balto: we get our own chat in frost
- balto: and a lot of challenger community is there
- balto: making a league here isn't as simple as you think lol.
- balto: so basically we'd have to stay on frost in either situation.
- @Nani Man: im going to run it by some staff. if people want a league then i see no problem hosting it here
- balto: but uh
- balto: you do understand we'd have to stay on frost right?
- balto: i mean
- @Nani Man: no?
- balto: lol
- balto: the chat helps a lot with organizing our league
- balto: im open to being on both
- @Nani Man: if you want to keep your league thats fine but i expect some actiity and contribution here
- @Nani Man: i just want a balance
- balto: most of the people participating in the league still moderate here
- @Nani Man: the only issue is im noticing people are putting more effort elsewhere
- balto: i mean
- balto: if there would be a chance of us getting a private room that would work
- balto: but with our leagues state right now,which is one of my main priorities, we need organization
- @Nani Man: and thats the problem
- @Nani Man: i see no balance w/ here
- balto: i'd say it'd be easier to have a balance if we had a room here
- @Nani Man: and it feels as if staff and contribution to here is swaying
- @Nani Man: we aren't getting a room for a league
- @Nani Man: and if you cant find a balance then your priority clearly lies elsewhere and not here
- balto: we still have interest in this room.
- @Nani Man: it doesnt seem like it
- balto: who exactly is this directed at personally?
- balto: individuals i mean?
- @Nani Man: its not personal to anyone. its in general
- @Nani Man: i see no amibition in general to try better the room
- @Nani Man: and it sucks to see
- @Nani Man: i mean, i love monotype and i want us to keep growing
- balto: the league isn't exactly,the uh
- balto: only reason for lack of ambition
- @Nani Man: what is then
- balto: idk if i should tell you
- @Nani Man: tell me
- balto: ill come across as a slum
- @Nani Man: you wont
- @Nani Man: im not a dick
- balto: well uh
- balto: ive been voice for a large, amount of time
- balto: (this is myself)
- balto: and i feel like when i do grind and help
- balto: i don't get any progress towards my driver
- balto: im being completely honest with you
- balto: idk if you think me and dirpz are power hungry
- balto: but that's my personal thought lol
- balto: some others just don't like the tone the room has taken
- @Nani Man: are these people auth?
- @Nani Man: also, you were being sconsidered for driver jsyk
- balto: no.
- @Nani Man: no, i want you to be honest
- balto: well,yes
- balto: .
- balto: i don't wanna mention names
- balto: cause honestly
- balto: i don't wanna be 'that guy'
- @Nani Man: what auth are apart of this?
- balto: who gets somebody demoted for what i see as personal good
- @Nani Man: i need to know
- balto: its only one person that has told me
- @Nani Man: i wont mention you
- @Nani Man: at all
- balto: dude,he's my friend lol.as much as i'd like to see the room grow
- balto: i don't wanna see him demoted
- balto: can you like
- balto: not demote him if i tell you?
- @Nani Man: honestly, it depends who it is
- @Nani Man: and i wont demote on the spot
- balto: you promise you'll warning first?
- balto: demote second?
- @Nani Man: sure. assuming they've had no warning
- balto: srixis
- @Nani Man: that was obvious
- balto: he does good work for the frost monotype room
- @Nani Man: his activity has dropped drastically
- @Nani Man: yep
- @Nani Man: this is the problem
- @Nani Man: do you see now?
- balto: ...
- balto: err
- balto: are you saying the other priorities are?
- @Nani Man: what do you mean
- balto: @Nani Man: this is the problem
- balto: @Nani Man: do you see now?
- balto: i mean
- balto: you're saying frost/league is the problem
- balto: ?
- @Nani Man: one of the problems
- balto: yeah uh
- balto: you're going to lose people when you get that drastic of a change in staff
- balto: especially considering how good of friends the staff were lol
- @Nani Man: this hurts tbh. i really wanted the room to get better but people dont care about the room
- balto: you want my honest opinion?
- @Nani Man: yes
- balto: i don't see the room improving tbh. we're another generic tier room with another generic staff. the other room(not trying to be spiteful) had just a good feeling to it, and a caring staff that felt more like a friend than a teacher.
- balto: not to crique yourself because you've tried improvements
- balto: like official tournaments
- balto: and those are good ideaas
- @Nani Man: all im getting from this is globals v regs again
- @Nani Man: this is so annoying
- balto: but if people don't bond with said staff,there isn't reason to continue to come
- balto: no man
- balto: not at all
- balto: im not trying to be all 'fuck globals' im telling you my honest opinion
- @Nani Man: the only staff that changed were 2 ROs and some drivers
- @Nani Man: and kevin was the one who did the demotions
- @Nani Man: not the globals
- balto: i was under the impression he was forced to do it
- balto: true or nah
- @Nani Man: no. he gave us a list of who is not good
- @Nani Man: because he was asked to review staff
- balto: can i rant to you about one more thing
- @Nani Man: yes
- @Nani Man: you should of done this a long time ago
- balto: okay,so you have two ros
- @Nani Man: 3
- balto: i was scared
- balto: cuz everybody got demoted
- balto: treecko and haunter
- balto: they had fucking conflicting reasons
- balto: haunter comes here,to like clear staff and get rid of a circlejerk
- balto: 'circlejerk'
- balto: anyway
- balto: and then sae gets driver in under a week by treecko
- balto: like
- balto: right after a load of staff got cleared
- balto: and i pm treecko
- balto: and she/he says that they're just the tier leader,and haunter does what haunter does
- balto: hold on,let me find something
- @Nani Man: sure
- balto: http://pastebin.com/RT23xpFh
- balto: this is what i meant
- @Nani Man: i see
- balto: my last thing is
- balto: this doesn't feel like a community
- balto: it feels like a job
- balto: that's why people have lost interest :p
- @Nani Man: what people?
- @Nani Man: obviously theres more than srixis
- @Nani Man: im not going to demote anyone
- balto: i mean
- balto: auburn doesn't play much in general anymore
- balto: but
- balto: like
- balto: trying to do this without sounding like a prick
- @Nani Man: sound like aprick
- @Nani Man: i dont mind
- balto: i don't think warning these people afterwards will change anything
- @Nani Man: i know
- balto: another generic set of staff would get recruited
- balto: they'll find something enjoyable
- balto: and leave
- balto: then process repeats
- @Nani Man: what is 'something enjoyable'
- balto: .
- balto: something like the league,that they're wanting to put time into
- balto: i said earlier this feels more like a job
- balto: mainly cuz we teach and babysit
- balto: and im fine with the teaching part
- @Nani Man: you are free to quit then
- balto: i don't want to quit nani.
- @Nani Man: no one is forced to stay here
- balto: i enjoy helping with teams,and i have hope this'll be a community
- @Nani Man: why aren't you trying to help then instead of hurting it more?
- @Nani Man: its because frost is appealing for 2 reasons: easy power, rules are not enforced as much
- @Nani Man: thats the problem
- balto: you wanted my honest opinions
- @Nani Man: ik
- @Nani Man: and im giving you mine
- balto: i like you nani,because you seem to be the only RO that cares here
- balto: chandy has irl problems, which i understand
- balto: but honestly the others are meh
- @Nani Man: ty man and i like you too. its really hard being the only active RO atm but i try my best
- @Nani Man: and its hard when i cant trust my staf
- balto: i think the staff would react to a RO they know, very well
- balto: like aquasound being RO,or Omega
- balto: i know being the only active guy is tough
- balto: i haven't seen treecko in the room for a good month
- balto: shaymin barely speaks in chat
- balto: which is bad, considering RO's are 'vocal leaders'
- balto: and symbolic leaders
- balto: chandy has back problems or health issues
- @Nani Man: yea she has problems
- balto: and that leaves you alone 90% of the time
- @Nani Man: uh, can you do me a favour
- @Nani Man: anttya, auburn, auraburst, betahousing, capnslinky, deathonwings, eseries1b, failatbattling, gymleadesrixis, hutyro, imystogan, klink182, mattlikespie2, pandon, procne, shadorai, zewwok
- @Nani Man: those are all our drivers
- balto: yeah?
- @Nani Man: which ones do you know dislike the room?
- @Nani Man: (im not going to demote anyone)
- balto: sigh
- @Nani Man: its purely to measure up
- @Nani Man: how big a problem
- balto: none of them that i know dislike the room
- balto: they just
- balto: don't have motivation
- @Nani Man: ok, what one dont have mtivation
- @Nani Man: id apprciate this
- balto: i can tell you the ones i know
- balto: lol
- @Nani Man: ok
- balto: but im not acquainted with all drivers
- @Nani Man: ik
- balto: auburn is getting his life together irl,so he's not completely focused
- balto: cyan is involved with the league but as far as i know he's still commited here
- balto: i don't see e much online anymore,probably because most of her friends are gone but that's just a guess
- balto: srixis is RO on the frost server in monotype, and he does great work there
- balto: idk who the fuck hutryo
- balto: is
- balto: is zewwok global
- balto: ?
- @Nani Man: nah. he is aus
- balto: o
- @Nani Man: his activity has dropped and he clearly lost motivation too
- balto: anttya has classes irl,so she's taken time from her league and main
- balto: i think DoW is aus, but i don't see him that much
- balto: shadorai is american i believe,barely gets on
- @Nani Man: yea
- balto: didn't know the guy personally though
- @Nani Man: i hardly see him
- balto: aura says a sentence maybe once a week
- @Nani Man: lmfao
- balto: idk who pandon is
- balto: fail is in a league but he's still commited
- balto: considering he's here daily
- @Nani Man: yea
- balto: capn beta and i think klink still come here
- @Nani Man: yea
- balto: idk who pandon is
- balto: i don't think ive seen him recently,but i seriously never notice the dude
- @Nani Man: he is global and usuallyonly goes on at night time
- @Nani Man: for aus
- balto: oh
- balto: i think matt has been committed since he's came back
- balto: and that's all of them i think
- @Nani Man: yep he has
- @Nani Man: alright
- @Nani Man: well
- @Nani Man: so basically, you can host your league and do whatever you want. im just going to make a post in our smogon pm as a warning to all staff
- balto: alright,i understand.
- balto: i really hope you consider what i told you today man.
- balto: namely promoting a new RO
- @Nani Man: that is what haunter and co. meant man
- @Nani Man: circlejerk
- @Nani Man: we are not getting back into that
- balto: sigh
- @Nani Man: if someone is deserving, they are promoted
- balto: ill try to be on more these next weeks
- @Nani Man: thats how it goes
- balto: i leave for religion camp in a week though
- @Nani Man: that is cool man. hope you enjoy it
- balto: i won't
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