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Improvements to the janitor system

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  1. Improvements to the janitor system
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  3. Feb 09 12:10:38 <moots> is there anything we can do to help make janitoring suck less
  4. Feb 09 12:10:51 <moots> the new reports queue, inline extension, and /j/ have hopefully helped
  5. Feb 09 12:10:56 <moots> for those who were around prior to those all being revamped
  6. Feb 09 12:13:49 <Kusanagi>      I'm not completely sure if it got a 3rd season or just like an OVA or something Troid
  7. Feb 09 12:14:08 <Axism> Friday night ping-pong moots
  8. Feb 09 12:14:08 <Kusanagi>      Seemed like it didn't really say
  9. Feb 09 12:14:12 <Kusanagi>      just said new animation
  10. Feb 09 12:14:15 <Axism> Need something recreational to ward off the insanity
  11. Feb 09 12:14:16 <Kazisho>       It would be helpful to get global IDs if possible?
  12. Feb 09 12:14:43 <Kazisho>       For janitors, of course.
  13. Feb 09 12:15:00 <Axism> for what purpose?
  14. Feb 09 12:15:24 <Axism> Jesus Christ why is this strawberry shaped like a shoe
  15. Feb 09 12:15:38 <Kusanagi>      later guys
  16. Feb 09 12:15:44 <Axism> my kus
  17. Feb 09 12:15:47 <Axism> don't die
  18. Feb 09 12:15:48 <Troid> I like [Warn] templates. it doesn't make janitoring easier per se but I hate BRing for trivial shit when deletions don't send the right message
  19. Feb 09 12:16:04 <nemo>  I think it'd be useful for newcomers to see how others are handling reports, like whether a post was cleared, deleted, BR'd, what it was BR'd for, etc.
  20. Feb 09 12:16:05 <Axism> troid stop giving good ideas
  21. Feb 09 12:16:31 <Troid> I like that idea, nemo
  22. Feb 09 12:16:36 <Axism> it detracts from the validity of friday night ping-pong
  23. Feb 09 12:16:37 <Kazisho>       Yea, we definitely need more warn templates.
  24. Feb 09 12:16:56 <Volphied370>   Agreed, warn templates would help
  25. Feb 09 12:18:09 <Troid> I don't know if this is intentional, but illegal and spam reports don't count in the toolbox until there are 3 of them on a post
  26. Feb 09 12:18:34 <Troid> this doens't come up a lot now, but it used to be I would check the queue and realize that the CP spam had been there for like 15 minutes
  27. Feb 09 12:18:49 <Troid> since it would just be a 1(0/0) even if it got an illegal report
  28. Feb 09 12:18:53 <moots> there needs to be a majority to have it roll over
  29. Feb 09 12:19:12 <Troid> so it should roll over if the only report is illegal?
  30. Feb 09 12:19:54 *       WalterWhite (~H@fuck.you) has joined
  31. Feb 09 12:19:55 *       ChanServ gives channel half-operator status to WalterWhite
  32. Feb 09 12:20:49 <Troid> looks like it doesn't count when the only report is illegal. anyway, not a lot of boards get legitimate illegal reports so it's not a big deal
  33. Feb 09 12:20:57 <Troid> some boards do get a lot more spam than others though
  34. Feb 09 12:22:10 <nemo>  how about we log all our janitoring data
  35. Feb 09 12:22:17 <nemo>  and load it into a ML algorithm
  36. Feb 09 12:22:22 <nemo>  and train a computer to janitor
  37. Feb 09 12:22:43 <Axism> no stop
  38. Feb 09 12:23:24 <nemo>  okay okay
  39. Feb 09 12:23:31 <nemo>  but you could train it to report posts
  40. Feb 09 12:23:41 <nemo>  that would be super cool actually
  41. Feb 09 12:23:50 <nemo>  too bad I don't know anything about ML
  42. Feb 09 12:24:22 <Troid> I keep wanting to make a post about auto-reports on /j/
  43. Feb 09 12:24:39 <Troid> I doubt it will be accepted but no harm in trying
  44. Feb 09 12:25:02 <Troid> the porn board CP spam was what made me think of it, but that's actually died off for a few weeks
  45. Feb 09 12:25:53 <Troid> all the spam posts had no OP text and changed the image MD5, so they couldn't be filtered, but the filenames were always like "222222222222222222.jpg"
  46. Feb 09 12:26:26 *       Kamui (~Kamui@addicted.to.mmos) has joined
  47. Feb 09 12:26:27 *       ChanServ gives voice to Kamui
  48. Feb 09 12:26:29 <Troid> you can't make an autoban filter that broad because of potential for false positives, but if you instead had a filter that automatically put the post in the queue, then a human would review it and false positives wouldn't be a problem
  49. Feb 09 12:26:50 <VCR_Working>   im awake
  50. Feb 09 12:26:59 <VCR_Working>   >janitor apps
  51. Feb 09 12:27:02 <VCR_Working>   \o/
  52. Feb 09 12:28:19 <VCR_Working>   >[09:17:53] <+DelicateFlatChest> the Russian figure skating loli wa making me a little uncomfortable [09:18:14] <+Shousa> Did she do something to you? [09:18:17] <+DelicateFlatChest> i went to /sp/ for the first time and they're all fapping to her
  53. Feb 09 12:28:23 <Troid> VCR, this umbrella meme from pixiv is taking over
  54. Feb 09 12:28:33 <Troid> it's consuming everything
  55. Feb 09 12:28:34 <VCR_Working>   oh the one with the microphone right
  56. Feb 09 12:28:38 <VCR_Working>   it's kawaii as fuk
  57. Feb 09 12:29:05 <VCR_Working>   >[09:21:24] <+DelicateFlatChest> she is /sp/'s new waifu, apparently
  58. Feb 09 12:29:08 <VCR_Working>   how horrifying
  59. Feb 09 12:29:16 <Troid> oh /b/ got IDs again, neat
  60. Feb 09 12:29:24 <Troid> /b/'S SUFFERING IS MY GAIN
  61. Feb 09 12:30:37 <Spitch>        moots any chance janitors will be able to warn?
  62. Feb 09 12:31:02 <moots> i've considered it on and off
  63. Feb 09 12:31:03 <moots> not sure
  64. Feb 09 12:31:14 <Spitch>        Even if not for all things, some things would be helpful
  65. Feb 09 12:31:21 <Spitch>        Certain templates
  66. Feb 09 12:31:55 <Spitch>        You just get that, "I don't want to ban, because I'm assuming good faith, but if I just delete he won't know what he did"
  67. Feb 09 12:32:08 <Spitch>        Not that you're assuming good faith all the time of course ;p
  68. Feb 09 12:32:14 <Troid> that would be glorious
  69. Feb 09 12:33:10 <Troid> VCR, if you have a sec https://boards.4chan.org/s4s/res/1635289
  70. Feb 09 12:33:13 <moots> maybe we could just add a warn button for BR requess
  71. Feb 09 12:33:18 <moots> which overrides the default scope
  72. Feb 09 12:33:22 <Axism> custom warn templates so we can harass users
  73. Feb 09 12:33:35 <Axism> o-or that
  74. Feb 09 12:34:01 <VCR_Working>   i'm on it
  75. Feb 09 12:34:07 <RapeApe>       like a warn checkbox for the BR? so it converts the ban request to a warn request?
  76. Feb 09 12:34:23 <moots> yeah
  77. Feb 09 12:34:26 <nemo>  that seems like the best way to do it
  78. Feb 09 12:34:34 <moots> i guess the mod should be able to re-override it
  79. Feb 09 12:34:39 <Spitch>        If anything you could give a trial period, if it reduces BR load and is used correctly
  80. Feb 09 12:34:44 <ALTERNATIVE>   that'd be useful
  81. Feb 09 12:34:52 <Axism> that sounds neato
  82. Feb 09 12:35:01 <Troid> neat
  83. Feb 09 12:35:14 <Spitch>        Sounds good to me
  84. Feb 09 12:35:32 <Spitch>        It will make everyone's job easier I think
  85. Feb 09 12:35:40 <Troid> I still want a comment box added to the report dialog for a few weeks, then we remove it and publish all the best comments.
  86. Feb 09 12:35:54 <Kamui> And making our jobs easier makes us more efficient, as well.
  87. Feb 09 12:36:26 <VCR_Working>   yeah
  88. Feb 09 12:36:32 <VCR_Working>   i'm in agreement
  89. Feb 09 12:36:33 <Kamui> I think being able to more efficiently warn people will hopefully lead to less bans and more informed posters...hoping, anyways.
  90. Feb 09 12:36:36 <Spitch>        I think everyone here will be able to use the warn function correctly if implemented. As far as new janitors, Rapey can teach them about it in orientation
  91. Feb 09 12:36:45 <Spitch>        When to use etc
  92. Feb 09 12:36:50 <Axism> >Rapey
  93. Feb 09 12:36:57 <VCR_Working>   also thread poof'd Troid
  94. Feb 09 12:37:00 <Spitch>        didn't want to ping
  95. Feb 09 12:37:02 <Axism> such an inappropriate petname
  96. Feb 09 12:37:09 <Axism> keep up the good work spitch
  97. Feb 09 12:37:10 <Troid> you're the best
  98. Feb 09 12:37:17 <LingeringParticles>    i kind of feel like i'd be tempted to warn for things that i'd otherwise delete.  thus making more work for the mods
  99. Feb 09 12:37:28 <Kazisho>       Warn requests block the posters too, right?
  100. Feb 09 12:37:38 <Spitch>        We're talking about the ability to warn lingering
  101. Feb 09 12:37:51 <Spitch>        not request
  102. Feb 09 12:38:07 <Troid> we are?
  103. Feb 09 12:38:15 <moots> [14:37:46] <Kazisho> Warn requests block the posters too, right?
  104. Feb 09 12:38:17 <moots> we changed that
  105. Feb 09 12:38:20 <Spitch>        I mean, that's what I brought up
  106. Feb 09 12:38:24 <LingeringParticles>    yeah, but if a mod has to approve the warn it would give them more work
  107. Feb 09 12:38:32 <Spitch>        >moot, any chance janitors will be able to warn
  108. Feb 09 12:38:40 <Troid> yeah but right now I think moot's going with a "warn request" option for existing BR templates
  109. Feb 09 12:38:47 <moots> warm templates dont do the 15 minute jaintor block
  110. Feb 09 12:39:02 <Kazisho>       That's great, all I wanted to know.
  111. Feb 09 12:39:17 <Troid> outright warns are that pipe dream that we'll never let go of
  112. Feb 09 12:39:29 <Spitch>        Ah I just think it would help a lot
  113. Feb 09 12:41:15 <VCR_Working>   thank goodness
  114. Feb 09 12:41:23 <VCR_Working>   i think being able to wark properly is nice
  115. Feb 09 12:41:25 <VCR_Working>   warn even
  116. Feb 09 12:41:30 <VCR_Working>   i am not a chocobo i swear
  117. Feb 09 12:41:35 <VCR_Working>   WARK
  118. Feb 09 12:41:36 <Spitch>        I read that as wank
  119. Feb 09 12:41:41 <Spitch>        I was going to say
  120. Feb 09 12:41:48 <Spitch>        "Yeah manual stimulation is great I agree"
  121. Feb 09 12:41:49 <ALTERNATIVE>   I knew he was a chocobo
  122. Feb 09 12:41:50 <Troid> VCR is a chocobo
  123. Feb 09 12:42:52 <VCR_Working>   Troid: http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1391/92/1391922201588.jpg
  124. Feb 09 12:43:07 <Troid> any templates the warn option won't be included on? besides the global 1 ones, which I assume are a given
  125. Feb 09 12:43:27 <Spitch>        Global 15 of course
  126. Feb 09 12:43:28 <moots> yeah, that wont be allowed
  127. Feb 09 12:43:30 <Spitch>        no second chances
  128. Feb 09 12:43:39 <VCR_Working>   i think raid shouldn't be as well
  129. Feb 09 12:43:45 <Troid> >you have been permanently warned for all boards for requesting child pornography
  130. Feb 09 12:43:48 <nemo>  lel
  131. Feb 09 12:43:51 <moots> huehue
  132. Feb 09 12:43:52 <Troid> lmao vcr
  133. Feb 09 12:43:54 <VCR_Working>   if you're raiding you know damn well you're being a shitbag
  134. Feb 09 12:43:55 <Troid> what is this
  135. Feb 09 12:44:00 <VCR_Working>   yes it's great isn't it
  136. Feb 09 12:44:24 <moots> besides warning stuff
  137. Feb 09 12:44:25 <moots> anything else?
  138. Feb 09 12:44:28 <Spitch>        A warn for global 16 wouldn't be terrible
  139. Feb 09 12:44:34 <moots> we are going to add a lot of new janitors soon, probably
  140. Feb 09 12:44:42 <VCR_Working>   excite
  141. Feb 09 12:44:50 <Spitch>        Hopefully get some /int/ and /pol/ boys
  142. Feb 09 12:44:52 <VCR_Working>   i hope we don't end up with another zenith
  143. Feb 09 12:44:55 <VCR_Working>   and another sixtus
  144. Feb 09 12:44:57 <VCR_Working>   >: (
  145. Feb 09 12:45:00 <Spitch>        Or a nikka
  146. Feb 09 12:45:04 <VCR_Working>   rip nikka
  147. Feb 09 12:45:09 <Spitch>        God rest his soul
  148. Feb 09 12:45:10 <nemo>  rest in rip
  149. Feb 09 12:45:12 <Troid> I've heard other janitors (with bigger queues than mine) say it would be nice to have the queue order by thread
  150. Feb 09 12:45:13 <Spitch>        He was too good at his job
  151. Feb 09 12:45:15 <Axism> watch nikka get back on with a different nick
  152. Feb 09 12:45:27 <Spitch>        Yeah screen those /int/ apps carefully
  153. Feb 09 12:45:42 <Spitch>        Be on the lookout for things like "I stay up for days at a time browsing /int/"
  154. Feb 09 12:46:07 <VCR_Working>   yeah troid more here http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/101770537/
  155. Feb 09 12:46:17 <VCR_Working>   i'm completely okay with this catching on
  156. Feb 09 12:46:27 <Troid> so it would sort with all the posts from one thread together, with the OP at the front, and I guess have some indication that the reports were from one thread?
  157. Feb 09 12:46:35 <Troid> dunno exactly how it would work but I've heard people say that
  158. Feb 09 12:46:36 <moots> i have a question
  159. Feb 09 12:46:41 <moots> how many of you actually clear your queue to zer
  160. Feb 09 12:46:43 <moots> +o
  161. Feb 09 12:46:48 <moots> do you actually browse by board, or the All queue?
  162. Feb 09 12:46:49 <Spitch>        I like to
  163. Feb 09 12:46:49 <Troid> I do
  164. Feb 09 12:46:56 <Troid> all
  165. Feb 09 12:47:04 <Spitch>        That way
  166. Feb 09 12:47:05 <Kamui> Are we just asking for overall improvements for boards or just specifics?  As for my queue, I go to zero.
  167. Feb 09 12:47:12 <Spitch>        You can easily see when a new one is up
  168. Feb 09 12:47:25 <Troid> poor VCR though, the All queue can't be much use
  169. Feb 09 12:47:40 <VCR_Working>   it's all over the place yeah
  170. Feb 09 12:47:44 <Volphied370>   I go to zero too
  171. Feb 09 12:47:51 <nemo>  I don't get to zero as often as I would like
  172. Feb 09 12:47:54 <LingeringParticles>    i clear to 0, but i'm only dealing with slow boards
  173. Feb 09 12:48:03 <Volphied370>   ^^^yeah
  174. Feb 09 12:48:08 <moots> any ideas are fine
  175. Feb 09 12:48:13 <moots> i'm working on the janitor stuff and recording stuff on my todo list
  176. Feb 09 12:48:19 <Spitch>        Honestly, a mobile version for reports would be kind of cool
  177. Feb 09 12:48:28 <Troid> some people have so many boards, what about an option to display multiple boards at once, but not "All"?
  178. Feb 09 12:48:32 <Spitch>        not necessary but cool
  179. Feb 09 12:48:42 <Spitch>        Ooo that'd be good troid
  180. Feb 09 12:48:43 <ALTERNATIVE>   mobile reports would be kinda sweet
  181. Feb 09 12:48:51 <nemo>  backlinks in thread previews would be handy :I
  182. Feb 09 12:48:52 <Kamui> Oh, I think the other /vp/ janis would agree with me but a /vp/ specific warn/ban for genwars would be amazing to have.
  183. Feb 09 12:48:52 <ALTERNATIVE>   but a big project
  184. Feb 09 12:49:07 <VCR_Working>   if i go clean alternative boards i leave some reports i'm not clear on how to act to the local janitors
  185. Feb 09 12:49:19 <Spitch>        Yeah, not necessarily the layout of the queue would change, but maybe have the page one report box wide on mobile
  186. Feb 09 12:49:20 <moots> Spitch: : we did that though
  187. Feb 09 12:49:23 <VCR_Working>   i try to narrow it down to zero as much as possible
  188. Feb 09 12:49:25 <moots> desuwa made it more mobile friendl
  189. Feb 09 12:49:26 <moots> y
  190. Feb 09 12:49:30 <ALTERNATIVE>   oh man
  191. Feb 09 12:49:31 <VCR_Working>   yeah i noticed
  192. Feb 09 12:49:35 <moots> it's not perfect though
  193. Feb 09 12:49:36 <Spitch>        Oh he did? I haven't looked in a long time
  194. Feb 09 12:49:36 <VCR_Working>   i was surprised
  195. Feb 09 12:49:36 <Volphied370>   I agree Kamui
  196. Feb 09 12:49:37 <VCR_Working>   yeah
  197. Feb 09 12:49:42 <Spitch>        Let me look
  198. Feb 09 12:49:45 <VCR_Working>   but it's a good step in the right direction
  199. Feb 09 12:49:51 <moots> what is a genwar?
  200. Feb 09 12:49:51 <VCR_Working>   also http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1391/92/1391928076506.png
  201. Feb 09 12:49:55 <Troid> every /vp/ jani + global has definitely said something about the genwar template, haha
  202. Feb 09 12:49:58 <VCR_Working>   ohhhh boy
  203. Feb 09 12:49:58 <ALTERNATIVE>   fights between pokemon generations
  204. Feb 09 12:50:03 <moots> what
  205. Feb 09 12:50:04 <Kazisho>       Arguing about which Pokemon gen is the best, yea.
  206. Feb 09 12:50:06 <VCR_Working>   Kamui: we're up
  207. Feb 09 12:50:07 <moots> so what rule should be added
  208. Feb 09 12:50:19 <ALTERNATIVE>   I dunno it seems like global rule 3 to me
  209. Feb 09 12:50:25 <Volphied370>   moots https://sys.4chan.org/j/res/2914
  210. Feb 09 12:50:34 <Axism> generation wars
  211. Feb 09 12:50:41 <moots> write a rule for me
  212. Feb 09 12:50:44 <Kamui> I think a /v/ jani said that /v/ has a rule for generation wars?
  213. Feb 09 12:50:47 <VCR_Working>   yeah WhatWinterLeft that last link is for you
  214. Feb 09 12:50:49 <Axism> like console wars but with generations
  215. Feb 09 12:50:51 <VCR_Working>   huhuh
  216. Feb 09 12:50:54 <VCR_Working>   u
  217. Feb 09 12:50:55 <moots> protip: most people who write me about a problem and then give me the rule that should be added get it done within a day or two
  218. Feb 09 12:50:57 <WhatWinterLeft>        Huh?
  219. Feb 09 12:50:57 <Volphied370>   The one on /v/, as I wrote on the thread on /j/
  220. Feb 09 12:50:59 <WhatWinterLeft>        Ahaha
  221. Feb 09 12:51:04 <moots> i cant add a template without a corresponding rule
  222. Feb 09 12:51:06 <Spitch>        Wow the mobile does look a hell of a lot better
  223. Feb 09 12:51:12 <moots> and email is the best way to reach me, not /j
  224. Feb 09 12:51:23 <Troid> /v/ has a "participating or inciting a flamewar rule"
  225. Feb 09 12:51:29 <ALTERNATIVE>   Flaming/flagrant "fanboyism", "genwars"/etc will not be tolerated.
  226. Feb 09 12:51:30 <moots> yeah but it's kind of weak
  227. Feb 09 12:51:34 <Kamui> Yeah, I think I sent an email awhile back about it, but I could be mistaken
  228. Feb 09 12:51:38 <Troid> lol, VCR, chake ij eajy umbrella
  229. Feb 09 12:51:39 <Volphied370>   Yeah, that's the one we need
  230. Feb 09 12:51:40 <ALTERNATIVE>   lol
  231. Feb 09 12:51:55 <WhatWinterLeft>        Any chance on a "not your blog" template
  232. Feb 09 12:52:03 <Axism> kamui i remember you doing it, yeah
  233. Feb 09 12:52:17 <WhatWinterLeft>        VCR_Working: /jp/ tried to have that thread, but /jp/.
  234. Feb 09 12:52:19 <Troid> a global "not your blog" template would need a global rule
  235. Feb 09 12:52:28 <VCR_Working>   oh my god yes
  236. Feb 09 12:52:31 <moots> that works
  237. Feb 09 12:52:33 <WhatWinterLeft>        /soc/ outside of /s- oh wait
  238. Feb 09 12:52:40 <VCR_Working>   that is the worst
  239. Feb 09 12:52:46 <Spitch>        That'd be fucking great
  240. Feb 09 12:52:46 <VCR_Working>   also lol/jp/
  241. Feb 09 12:52:54 <VCR_Working>   they can never have good things
  242. Feb 09 12:52:58 <ALTERNATIVE>   can we add 'no western art' to /d/'s rules
  243. Feb 09 12:53:06 <Troid> :(
  244. Feb 09 12:53:14 <ALTERNATIVE>   it has been necessary to specify for a long time
  245. Feb 09 12:53:40 <ALTERNATIVE>   just a copy-paste of the /h/ rule
  246. Feb 09 12:53:54 <VCR_Working>   i'm a bit wary of that
  247. Feb 09 12:54:14 <VCR_Working>   cuz that can be used to force drawfag threads off
  248. Feb 09 12:54:19 <VCR_Working>   on /d/
  249. Feb 09 12:54:31 <Troid> it's perfect VCR - https://i.4cdn.org/u/src/1391969597553.jpg
  250. Feb 09 12:54:44 <ALTERNATIVE>   Sometimes, but a lot of times they are drawing in an acceptable styles
  251. Feb 09 12:54:51 <VCR_Working>   yes
  252. Feb 09 12:54:52 <WhatWinterLeft>        There was that whole thing about Dmitry's art.
  253. Feb 09 12:54:53 <VCR_Working>   yes it is
  254. Feb 09 12:54:56 <WhatWinterLeft>        Since that gets posted a fucking lot
  255. Feb 09 12:54:59 <VCR_Working>   and hm yeah
  256. Feb 09 12:55:13 <VCR_Working>   and don't get me wrong i know the reasoning why
  257. Feb 09 12:55:14 <ALTERNATIVE>   Yeah and I had stated it was allowed at the time
  258. Feb 09 12:55:14 <RapeApe>       i really don't like adding new rules.
  259. Feb 09 12:55:18 <Spitch>        Thanks for adding the catalog button though moot
  260. Feb 09 12:55:29 <RapeApe>       just more restrictions on users, and more bans/deletions for us.
  261. Feb 09 12:55:32 *       LingeringParticles has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  262. Feb 09 12:55:43 <ALTERNATIVE>   Originally it was you can't post western ("toon") art
  263. Feb 09 12:55:58 <ALTERNATIVE>   exceptions were made to western artists who could actually draw
  264. Feb 09 12:56:03 <Spitch>        I kind of agree with you, but I feel like it isn't so much "More rules" as it is, more specificity in our BR's
  265. Feb 09 12:56:10 <Spitch>        Instead of BRing for one thing it's another
  266. Feb 09 12:56:25 <ALTERNATIVE>   again, this isn't a new thing, we've just been incredibly lax on it for years
  267. Feb 09 12:56:33 <RapeApe>       i really don't like the idea of a global 'not your blog' rule. that's way too broad.
  268. Feb 09 12:56:42 <RapeApe>       tons of fun things start off as stories.
  269. Feb 09 12:56:47 <Spitch>        ^
  270. Feb 09 12:57:04 <Volphied370>   so does tons of shitposting
  271. Feb 09 12:57:09 <Spitch>        ^
  272. Feb 09 12:57:16 <Axism> what would that even mean?
  273. Feb 09 12:57:17 <Spitch>        That's why we use our discretion :)
  274. Feb 09 12:57:21 <Axism> it sounds ambiguous
  275. Feb 09 12:57:33 <RapeApe>       people come to 4chan *because* of the freedom they can experience here. the more rules that get added, the less freedom there is, and users find fewer reasons to come here.
  276. Feb 09 12:57:40 <moots> what should the template be for /vp/
  277. Feb 09 12:57:47 <moots> warn or ban for a day
  278. Feb 09 12:57:52 <Axism> both
  279. Feb 09 12:57:58 <Volphied370>   ban
  280. Feb 09 12:57:58 <Kazisho>       "Do not incite genwars. Keep discussions civil and don't let them devolve into flaming."
  281. Feb 09 12:58:01 <Axism> at the janitors discretion
  282. Feb 09 12:58:05 <Spitch>        For example, there's two bad examples of personal stories on a board like /g/
  283. Feb 09 12:58:09 <ALTERNATIVE>   use quotation marks around fake words
  284. Feb 09 12:58:15 <Spitch>        Bad: "Hey /g/, I was installing windows 7 and got stuck.."
  285. Feb 09 12:58:16 <Volphied370>   That's good, Kazisho
  286. Feb 09 12:58:35 <VCR_Working>   yeah agreed with Kazisho
  287. Feb 09 12:58:43 <Kazisho>       /vp/ gets a lot of flames lately.
  288. Feb 09 12:58:52 <Kamui> Sounds solid Kazisho.
  289. Feb 09 12:59:06 <Axism> kazisho i like it
  290. Feb 09 12:59:28 <VCR_Working>   and yeah i get where's ape's coming from but at the same token holy shit some people
  291. Feb 09 12:59:38 <Axism> but vcr
  292. Feb 09 12:59:43 <Spitch>        I've been doing fine without a blog template
  293. Feb 09 12:59:43 <VCR_Working>   it's 4chan: muh blog
  294. Feb 09 12:59:44 <Axism> why wouldn't offtopic work?
  295. Feb 09 12:59:48 <Spitch>        ^
  296. Feb 09 12:59:51 <Axism> or quality of posts
  297. Feb 09 12:59:52 <Spitch>        ^
  298. Feb 09 13:00:08 <VCR_Working>   yeah i guess we could continue that
  299. Feb 09 13:00:11 <VCR_Working>   cuz on the other hand
  300. Feb 09 13:00:23 <VCR_Working>   we get faggotss like the animespammer on /jp/
  301. Feb 09 13:00:28 <WhatWinterLeft>        Well
  302. Feb 09 13:00:37 <WhatWinterLeft>        Thats straight up ban evasion
  303. Feb 09 13:00:41 <VCR_Working>   doing stuff like NOT YOUR BLOG in the kancolle threads
  304. Feb 09 13:00:42 <moots> ok i updated it
  305. Feb 09 13:00:42 <WhatWinterLeft>        Loli blogger though
  306. Feb 09 13:00:44 <WhatWinterLeft>        That faggot
  307. Feb 09 13:00:54 <Volphied370>   There's tons of blogging in generals on almost every board
  308. Feb 09 13:00:55 <Spitch>        Also moot let's block North Korea
  309. Feb 09 13:00:56 <WhatWinterLeft>        Every thread he tries to derail it into "how do I seduce a loli"
  310. Feb 09 13:00:58 <Spitch>        now that that's an issue xD
  311. Feb 09 13:00:59 <Axism> lol
  312. Feb 09 13:01:04 <Volphied370>   People telling what they had for breakfast
  313. Feb 09 13:01:15 <Volphied370>   what movie they watched
  314. Feb 09 13:01:24 <VCR_Working>   >your favorite pokemon >what you had for lunch
  315. Feb 09 13:01:29 <VCR_Working>   go
  316. Feb 09 13:01:34 <ALTERNATIVE>   off-topic nonsense
  317. Feb 09 13:01:41 <ALTERNATIVE>   /b/ shit outside of /b/
  318. Feb 09 13:01:44 <Troid> I was going to suggest some kind of highlighting when a user has pendings for illegal content
  319. Feb 09 13:01:50 <Troid> but now /b/ has IDs again so I don't care
  320. Feb 09 13:01:53 <Kazisho>       Thanks, moot.
  321. Feb 09 13:01:54 <VCR_Working>   and hm i guess it'd be fine to stay with what we got tho
  322. Feb 09 13:02:05 <ALTERNATIVE>   I agree that less is better
  323. Feb 09 13:02:06 <WhatWinterLeft>        I usually hit him for garbage outside /b/
  324. Feb 09 13:02:18 <WhatWinterLeft>        Since he's not blatantly obvious about his evading since loli is kind of a common subject
  325. Feb 09 13:02:18 <ALTERNATIVE>   if you have really unique situations we can customize things a little
  326. Feb 09 13:02:23 <VCR_Working>   nothing would really change either way
  327. Feb 09 13:02:36 <VCR_Working>   other than being called out specifically on it
  328. Feb 09 13:03:03 <WhatWinterLeft>        I just need to figure out what i'm going to do with these AKB/idol threads
  329. Feb 09 13:03:05 <VCR_Working>   and the worst people evade as well as blog
  330. Feb 09 13:03:12 <VCR_Working>   yeah they are an enigma
  331. Feb 09 13:03:20 <WhatWinterLeft>        They are awful
  332. Feb 09 13:03:45 <WhatWinterLeft>        Multi-thread meta fighting because they don't like someone else's favorite idol being in the OP image.
  333. Feb 09 13:03:50 <Spitch>        Let's make a second drop down panel for Global 3 like "Garbage outside of "/blank/"
  334. Feb 09 13:03:53 <Spitch>        ;)
  335. Feb 09 13:03:57 <Troid> oh hey I just figured out the best suggestion
  336. Feb 09 13:03:59 <WhatWinterLeft>        Then go on to just imagedump their favorite idol untill the thread dies and remake one with their favorite idol in the OP image.
  337. Feb 09 13:04:06 <Troid> moot, make ban evasion impossible
  338. Feb 09 13:04:12 <Troid> problems: solved
  339. Feb 09 13:04:14 <Spitch>        That's a good idea
  340. Feb 09 13:04:15 <WhatWinterLeft>        That would literally solve all the problems
  341. Feb 09 13:04:17 <moots> easier said than done
  342. Feb 09 13:04:19 <moots> the new ban system helped though
  343. Feb 09 13:04:20 <moots> i think
  344. Feb 09 13:04:26 <WhatWinterLeft>        We just need to force IPv6 into motion
  345. Feb 09 13:04:29 <moots> you can't easily check proxy ban status anymore due to captcha
  346. Feb 09 13:04:32 <moots> and we autoban based on a few things
  347. Feb 09 13:04:52 <ALTERNATIVE>   webcam facial recognition
  348. Feb 09 13:04:58 <Axism> ^
  349. Feb 09 13:04:59 <VCR_Working>   ban all the things
  350. Feb 09 13:05:02 <Axism> NSA when
  351. Feb 09 13:05:03 <VCR_Working>   ALL THE THINGS
  352. Feb 09 13:05:10 <WhatWinterLeft>        Oh uh, moot I had a couple suggestions on /jp/, should I just shoot you an email at moot@4chan or link you the /j/ thread I made?
  353. Feb 09 13:05:16 <Troid> I submitted a suggestion to feedback about ban captchas, and I'm pretty sure it was already being implemened because it was live like the next day, lol
  354. Feb 09 13:05:23 <Volphied370>   that's good to know, anything to make ban evasion harder
  355. Feb 09 13:05:39 <ALTERNATIVE>   the new system has been useful
  356. Feb 09 13:05:47 <ALTERNATIVE>   I have seen many examples of it helping
  357. Feb 09 13:06:10 <VCR_Working>   > >The guy's saying, "When it snows when you're with your lover, you can immerse yourself in a special feeling...I like it."  >The key part for the Tweeter who posted it, though, is that the girl's wearing a ring on her left hand (circled in the linked image), the guy appears not to be wearing a ring, and he uses the term "lover"...all implying they're on an illicit tryst. Naturally, the girl hide
  358. Feb 09 13:06:35 <Troid> wasn't the tweet captioned "shut the fuck up" or something like that
  359. Feb 09 13:06:48 <Troid> something totally un-sweet
  360. Feb 09 13:07:58 <Troid> also I have the solution to ban evasion, and also the plot of a great B-movie
  361. Feb 09 13:08:15 <moots> WhatWinterLeft: always email me
  362. Feb 09 13:08:20 <moots> dont assume i see anything in irc or /j/
  363. Feb 09 13:08:23 <moots> i do read my email
  364. Feb 09 13:08:26 <Troid> we find people who aren't able to ban evade and we grant them freedom in exchange for hunting down and killing ban evaders
  365. Feb 09 13:08:47 <Troid> someone get me hollywood on the phone
  366. Feb 09 13:08:51 <WhatWinterLeft>        Is there some super secret handshake I put in the subject? Actually you probably have all our emails anyway
  367. Feb 09 13:11:19 <Axism> "HI MOOT IM ONE OF YOUR JANITORS PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THIS EMAIL"
  368. Feb 09 13:11:26 <moots> no
  369. Feb 09 13:11:31 <moots> i read them all
  370. Feb 09 13:11:39 <moots> and generally recognize names
  371. Feb 09 13:12:11 <Troid> moots: on the application/email, I think you should include some tips about privacy, ex not choosing your 4chan tripcode as an IRC nick
  372. Feb 09 13:12:37 <Troid> and also stress to the people who get accepted that the most helpful thing to do will be being active in this IRC and talking to people
  373. Feb 09 13:14:07 <Spitch>        IRC tips in the orientation/email would be great
  374. Feb 09 13:14:24 <Spitch>        I think there's an etiquette specific to this chat that would be good to know beforehand
  375. Feb 09 13:14:28 <Spitch>        no stressing about boards etc
  376. Feb 09 13:14:33 <Kamui> That's a great idea honestly, would probably save a few people using silly names or RL stuff they'd regret.
  377. Feb 09 13:15:30 <RapeApe>       If you ask our newest janitors, you'll see that I mention something like that in the orientation these days.
  378. Feb 09 13:15:42 <RapeApe>       However, it comes down to personal choice.
  379. Feb 09 13:15:52 <Troid> I remember being cautioned about venting
  380. Feb 09 13:16:33 <Troid> a lesson about how to behave yourself in this channel is whatever, but it is nice to know ahead of time what that /j/ guide will tell you
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