6:32 PM <riot_blade> i started the shadows of adam demo
6:32 PM <riot_blade> the writing is actually much more inept than i expected...........
6:33 PM <riot_blade> really basic things about setting a scene and introductory elements or establishing character
6:33 PM <riot_blade> like right off the bat 'who is this person' impressions
6:33 PM <riot_blade> idk why their facesets aren't in the message boxes
6:35 PM <riot_blade> 'my dad isn't a ghost!' is a line of dialogue i have just now heard, for the first time
6:36 PM <riot_blade> there is also, a fictional expletive, which is: "snakes!", and it is used 40 times in the first 5 minutes

6:37 PM <Millefeuille> snakes it all
6:37 PM <Millefeuille> lol
6:37 PM <Millefeuille> they have 7 people making that game
6:37 PM <Millefeuille> i'm scared

6:38 PM <riot_blade> the boss song is unfinished and just loops at a random point
6:38 PM <riot_blade> they would have been better off with nothing, than this demo
6:39 PM <riot_blade> then at least people could imagine things

6:40 PM <Millefeuille> they have been working on it for so long too

6:42 PM <riot_blade> theres a typo in the dialogue
6:42 PM <riot_blade> they find an evil book
6:42 PM <riot_blade> and the dialogue is
6:42 PM <riot_blade> 'it's warm...'
6:42 PM <riot_blade> 'like a fire'
6:42 PM <riot_blade> 'like a body'
6:42 PM <riot_blade> huh???
6:43 PM <riot_blade> its been established that the book is warm, much like, the most common thing people think of as being hot: fire
6:44 PM <riot_blade> why did the other character have to add... that it is also warm like a body...
6:44 PM <riot_blade> as well as.. like a f..fire??

6:44 PM <Millefeuille> i think

6:44 PM <riot_blade> the girl tells the hero not to touch the evil book
6:44 PM <riot_blade> and gigantic screen filling skulls fly out of i and ghosts

6:44 PM <Millefeuille> .

6:44 PM <riot_blade> and then after that she just grabs it
6:45 PM <riot_blade> 'i havethe book'
6:45 PM <riot_blade> then rocks start falling
6:45 PM <riot_blade> 'this place is collasping'
6:45 PM <riot_blade> there was no indication that it was in a cave or anything but rocks are falling
6:45 PM <riot_blade> while the arpeggios from ff6 - catastrophe are playing

6:46 PM <Millefeuille> they are just trying to pay homage to classic nes rpgs
6:46 PM <Millefeuille> why do youh ate fun
6:46 PM <Millefeuille> this game isn't for you

6:46 PM <riot_blade> even nes rpgs had better writing
6:46 PM <riot_blade> man
6:46 PM <riot_blade> lol
6:46 PM <riot_blade> his ghost dad comes out of the book and screams HELP ME
6:46 PM <riot_blade> next scene he is talking to the heroine
6:47 PM <riot_blade> 'my dad is in trouble'
6:47 PM <riot_blade> girl: 'we don't know that'
6:47 PM <riot_blade> ?????????????????????????????????????

6:47 PM <Millefeuille> maybe they should have phrased that differently
6:47 PM <Millefeuille> "we don't know if it is really your dad"

6:48 PM <riot_blade> hero: maybe you didnt see, the tortured spectral visage, or the screaming skulls
6:48 PM <riot_blade> girl: its fine dont worry about it

6:48 PM <Millefeuille> who is in charge of writing
6:48 PM <Millefeuille> is it erave

6:48 PM <riot_blade> it's lunc
6:48 PM <riot_blade> the guy who wrote 'the way'
6:49 PM <riot_blade> but the way was better than this

6:49 PM <Millefeuille> ???
6:49 PM <Millefeuille> lmao.
6:49 PM <Millefeuille> lunc has fallen pretty far sounds like

6:49 PM <riot_blade> also in the scene immediately preceding this, he punches a villager npc for suggesting that his dad is a ghost
6:49 PM <riot_blade> and then, happens to see his dad, as a ghost, later that day

6:50 PM <Millefeuille> maybe they just sat in a skype room together
6:50 PM <Millefeuille> and decided on scenes they wanted to do

6:50 PM <riot_blade> a book made an evil plant monster in the cave-forest (??)

6:50 PM <Millefeuille> without any coherence between them
6:50 PM <Millefeuille> what are the powers of this book

6:50 PM <riot_blade> the hero says "i dont understand... the book.. my dad... '

6:50 PM <Millefeuille> what does it do
6:50 PM <Millefeuille> why is it evil

6:50 PM <riot_blade> apparently it makes evil vines take over the landscape
6:50 PM <riot_blade> it was sitting inside of a plant monster and then made skulls and ghosts appear

6:51 PM <Millefeuille> i rmember that happening in a cardcaptor sakura episode

6:51 PM <riot_blade> i guess it does both of those things
6:51 PM <riot_blade> it does whatever evil things need to happen for the scene

6:51 PM <Millefeuille> sounds like lunc is really phoning this in

6:51 PM <riot_blade> there's a flashback scene where
6:52 PM <riot_blade> it' s a still frame on a village with many characters arguing
6:52 PM <riot_blade> even in like ff6 scenes had a lot of staging and movement like walking through narshe
6:52 PM <riot_blade> you could map out a village and have the heroine walking through it down stairs and stuff
6:52 PM <riot_blade> and being accosted by these angry villagers
6:53 PM <riot_blade> more of them take notice and join the witch hunt
6:53 PM <riot_blade> the situation gets more out of hand as the crowd moves through the town
6:53 PM <riot_blade> and the crowd grows

6:53 PM <Millefeuille> dynamic scenes arent interesting what are you going on about

6:53 PM <riot_blade> then the hero busts in
6:53 PM <riot_blade> maybe he jumps off a roof or something into the circle forming around the girl
6:53 PM <riot_blade> but it sjust a still frame with message boxes
6:53 PM <riot_blade> rpgs in 2016

6:54 PM <Millefeuille> its a wip
6:54 PM <Millefeuille> use your imagination

6:54 PM <riot_blade> it's the demo meant to pitch the project and why you should give them money
6:54 PM <riot_blade> itt's just move char stuff
6:54 PM <riot_blade> really hard

6:54 PM <Millefeuille> it gives me hope
6:54 PM <Millefeuille> if this gets funded i wont have to worry about my project not being funded

6:55 PM <riot_blade> the heros dad is just jecht

6:55 PM <Millefeuille> ks will never reach tales of eternea levels of free cash again though
6:55 PM <Millefeuille> its sad
6:55 PM <Millefeuille> was that even the game's name
6:56 PM <Millefeuille> the one that just used its 40k to rip sd3 and run out of money

6:58 PM <riot_blade> echeos of eternea
6:58 PM <riot_blade> also their demo runs in-browser
6:58 PM <riot_blade> which sends the wrong message
6:58 PM <riot_blade> people who like classic rpgs
6:58 PM <riot_blade> want as much as possible to feel like it's something running on their nintendo

6:58 PM <Millefeuille> lol
6:58 PM <Millefeuille> so wait
6:58 PM <Millefeuille> you ran it on chrome

6:58 PM <riot_blade> an executable carries somewhat more weight than a browser app
6:58 PM <riot_blade> yes

6:59 PM <Millefeuille> ???
6:59 PM <Millefeuille> it's html5 then
6:59 PM <Millefeuille> they probably are trying to keep people from downloading the demo and having a copy

7:12 PM <Nightblade> ripping off Final Fantasy 6 right off the bat

7:13 PM <riot_blade> it dose the panning thing but doesn't know you do a dialogue scene on a separate screen before giving control
7:16 PM <riot_blade> or, even just say something meaningful to the viewer in the intro about the situation and the characters
7:19 PM <riot_blade> it finishes panning + text and i still dont know who these people are
7:19 PM <riot_blade> they are talking without facesets so i cant even see them for visual indications on their identities

7:19 PM <Millefeuille> theyre your rpg party
7:19 PM <Millefeuille> you dont need to know who they are
7:19 PM <Millefeuille> did you eva play ff1

7:21 PM <Nightblade> Well, you dont have to learn everything at once.
7:23 PM <Nightblade> But
7:24 PM <Nightblade> The intro crawl isn't that horrible, even if it is ripping off of FF6's War of the Magi exposition
7:24 PM <Nightblade> with something almost identical in nature
7:24 PM <Nightblade> Wraith War
7:24 PM <Nightblade> Though in this day and age just starting with the intro exposition seems weirdly abrupt
7:25 PM <Nightblade> This intro does a poor job of establishing who the magic girl is, where as you get a quick idea as to who Terra is in FF6's intro
7:26 PM <Nightblade> Magic girl archetype just kind of walks into frame at the last minute and has an awkward exchange during the first magic thing.
7:27 PM <Nightblade> It can be assumed that this whole overgrown vine place is corrupted by WRAITH EVIL or something, which is a fine enough place to start a game if the area had anything interesting visually whatsoever.

7:27 PM <riot_blade> terra is immediately established as some kind of frightening unnatural individual who is being used as a slave/tool
7:27 PM <riot_blade> which instantly generates both intrigue as to what she is and empathy because slave = bad
7:28 PM <riot_blade> here is it just, vapors

7:28 PM <Nightblade> FF6's intro establishes what you need to know about your intro party in a few moments
7:28 PM <Nightblade> They go over their mission, and the other guy asks what "this witch is doing here"

7:28 PM <riot_blade> the writer's job is to understand this kind of narrative logic
7:30 PM <riot_blade> i don't know waht relevance the vine place has
7:30 PM <riot_blade> what's at stake
7:30 PM <riot_blade> why do i care

7:31 PM <Nightblade> You can guess from what the intro gives you
7:31 PM <Nightblade> Some sort of corruption thats encroaching on this nothing RPG village

7:31 PM <riot_blade> why not like
7:31 PM <riot_blade> start you out inside the village
7:31 PM <riot_blade> everyone is terrified
7:31 PM <riot_blade> and the vines are  just
7:32 PM <riot_blade> overwriting it
7:32 PM <riot_blade> they're trapped and desperate
7:32 PM <riot_blade> you work your way through this twisted town
7:32 PM <riot_blade> as the vines are overtaking it before your eyes
7:32 PM <riot_blade> you pass a house that has them running through it as if grasping it like a malicious hand
7:33 PM <riot_blade> and a guy is inside screaming for help
7:33 PM <riot_blade> and then it just crushes the whole house with him inside it
7:33 PM <riot_blade> instead i'm in some kind of vine-cave, somewhere nearby, and .. uh
7:33 PM <riot_blade> this is just 101 basic thoughtapplied
7:34 PM <riot_blade> put meinto the emotional root of the situation
7:34 PM <riot_blade> if it's bad for the village make it bad for the village
7:34 PM <riot_blade> show me the people who are getting fucked by this
7:37 PM <riot_blade> whats a 'wraith evil'
7:37 PM <riot_blade> the wraith war
7:41 PM <riot_blade> when golden sun writes a better intro scenario than u

7:42 PM <Nightblade> a quick and easy way to establish the significance of this vine place
7:42 PM <Nightblade> would the intro pan by a part of the village covered in this corruption
7:43 PM <Nightblade> maybe pepper in some corpses if you're feeling corpsey.

7:47 PM <riot_blade> always pepper in the corpses
7:48 PM <riot_blade> rapidly growing evil forests are an even older, more tired thing than usual jrpg stuff
7:48 PM <riot_blade> that was tired in like, 1952
10:27 PM <riot_blade> current mood: (Link: http://puu.sh/guBKB.jpg)http://puu.sh/guBKB.jpg

11:09 PM <Millefeuille> sometimes i also feel that way

11:12 AM <riot_blade> sometimes i put a bunch of snes carts in a bowl and just
11:12 AM <riot_blade> vape