#Alsa Channel is Based

<debianuser> Aebian: it mostly happened here and in #winehq :) I'm almost not reading winehq these days. And only with people using irc clients doing rotating tab completion (there's also prompting completion, it's a bit more friendly to similar nicknames)

<debianuser> fringe: comparing it with your previous alsa-info, trying to spot the differences...

<Aebian> ah lol no I see

<Aebian> *now

<Aebian> debianuser: got swtiched with debdog

<Aebian> but since I contacted you so often my irssi remembers if I type in deb or de he completes to debianuser

<Aebian> :D

<debianuser> fringe: Hm... Yeah, it still doesn't work right. Ok, let's try our old hack. Mute both "HP/Speaker" and "HP/Speaker Auto Detect", then start some player and check that you hear sound from speakers. If you do - run:

<debianuser>   sudo hda-verb /dev/snd/hwC1D0 0x0f SET_PIN_WIDGET_CONTROL 0xc0

<debianuser> and check if you hear the sound from both speakers AND headphones.

<fringe> Tfw just got banned from #linuxmint for 7 days...

<debianuser> They just didn't know how to help you and were too shy to admit that :)

<fringe> I wonder if there's a way to strip the music out of the video and just have the audiotrack only.

<debdog> youtube-dl -f FORMAT URL

<debdog> FORMAT as listed by youtube-dl --list-formats URL

<fringe> tfw devnull is banning me from everything he can right now kek

<debdog> are you the DDoSer? :D

<fringe> No, I just called the mods "hotpockets" and that inspired him to ban me from everywhere he could. http://img.4plebs.org/boards/s4s/image/1402/69/1402693491425.jpg

<fringe> Why does this video have no audio at all? https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449005984354.png I am playing it and I can't hear a thing. I can only hear the video when playing it through the firefox browser on youtube.

<Aebian> gnarf opening links in my remote tmux terminal don't pass them to chromium

<debianuser> fringe: does it actually have the audio? Can you run `mplayer  "Nightcore MIX 3 Hours HD Part 1.mp4"` and copy its output to some pastebin?

<fringe> debianuser: Just a moment, going to try downloading the same video again but with a different program, and try playing that. If I still don't get audio I will try what you have suggested.

<fringe> Oh goodness I can't find the add-ons panel in firefox... they moved it.

<fringe> ah hotkey is ctrl + shift + a

<debianuser> fringe: actually youtube-dl suggested above is a nice program, if you don't mind a command-line (and firefox's Video DownloadHelper is probably the most popular gui addon for that)

<fringe> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-video-downloader/ this thing should work

<Aebian> sound in games is still crap. aplay -v -fdat -d1 -Ddefault /dev/zero --> https://gist.github.com/Aebian/855b01f149e051ced803

<debianuser> Aebian: ah, yeah, I've seen it. It plays through pulseaudio and I don't know how to troubleshoot sound quality there. :( You can try asking in #pulseaudio or if you don't need any of pulseaudio features we can temporarily remove pulse and check if the problem goes away.

<Aebian> debianuser: well how can I check if my sound is able to play trough alsa? It worked 4 hours before and my sound was just fine ingame. now for some reason it stopped working

<Aebian> and I didn't changed something I would be aware of. My sound in the music app is still excellent

<debianuser> Yeah you'll need libav-tools or ffmpeg for it to merge files. youtube-dl uses that too

<debianuser> Aebian: Well, we can do `sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio` (just remember the list of packages that get removed or save that list somewhere so that you could install them back later, and check that nothing important is removed)

<fringe> This is too much for me to bother with right now...

<Aebian> debianuser: hopefully nothing gets broken otherwise I'm gonna morder someone lol

<Aebian> debianuser: but I'll do it now

<Aebian> The following packages will be REMOVED: cinnamon* cinnamon-control-center* libcanberra-pulse* pulseaudio* pulseaudio-module-jack* pulseaudio-module-x11*

<Aebian> oh yes gg

<fringe> debianuser: I have downloaded 3 videos of different resolutions with different programs, in all cases, I do not hear audio. So I'm just going to do what you suggested now.

<debianuser> fringe: It's waiting for you to close the quote :)

<debianuser> "... and no closing quote

<debianuser> fringe: Just Ctrl+C it, then press "Up" and add a trailing "

<fringe> https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449007945088.png

<Aebian> debianuser: why the f* I can't just switch to alsa and just shut down the pulse service? Is a removal rly neccaserry? ^^

<debianuser> fringe: it's not that you "should" it's just you can :) mplayer is a nice command-line swiss army knife player. It's good for troubleshooting and for people who likes command-lines. Not that good for those preferring GUI players.

<fringe> debianuser: just tried VLC and still got no audio! https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449008264312.png

<epictetus> mplayer lets you manually specify a zillion different audio output plugins with -ao (option)

<epictetus> and yeah the mplayer gui kidna sucks, it has one but thats not where its strength is

<fringe> debianuser: why does every videoplayer I try have no audio? Only firefox and Minecraft seem to produce any audio output at all.

<debianuser> Aebian: Can you copy full output of `sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio` to some pastebin? (you can say "No" to it and then just copy its output)

<epictetus> fringe: a lot of them are probably still looking for pulseaudio / esound and not realizing you want to use alsa instead

<Aebian> debianuser: yes I can https://gist.github.com/Aebian/7b8b8ef492f04dfcdf54

<debianuser> Aebian: Ah, you can say yes to those, just 6 packets there, nothing critical, and we can install them back when we finish the test in a few minutes. You don't even have to reboot

<debianuser> fringe: Well, that's why I suggested to try mplayer and copy its output. :) It's a bit more verbose, it says what and how it plays. :)

<debianuser> Aebian: Ok. Let's make sure pulseaudio is killed: `killall -9 pulseaudio`. Then put these two lines into ~/.asoundrc:

<debianuser>     defaults.pcm.!card P780

<debianuser>     defaults.ctl.!card P780

<debianuser> then check if you hear the sound with, for example, `speaker-test -c2 -twav`

<debianuser> fringe: `sudo apt-get install mplayer`

<debianuser> fringe: and `sudo apt-get install alsa-tools`

<epictetus> i think mplayer has -ao alsa (manually tells mplayer to use alsa for audio instead of whatever default)

<fringe> debdog: https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449008740112.png

<Aebian> debianuser: yes I can hear them

<fringe> debianuser: did it just screw up https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449008838457.png ?

<debianuser> Aebian: Ok, good! Now check some audio player if it plays sound (you may need to restart that player).

<epictetus> fringe: the error at the bottom is related to an Atheros wireless driver package

<Aebian> debianuser: my music player don't atm but teamspeak works mic/phones

<debianuser> fringe: No, it installed mplayer. Then it attempted to build some ath10k module and failed (it's not related to mplayer, I guess it tries that on every apt-get install command)

<Aebian> debianuser: ah music player works again

<Aebian> debianuser: now I'll check a game

<Aebian> debianuser: still not 100% awesome @games but 98%. before it was maybe 40% | you're lifesaver, thanks

<debianuser> fringe: Yeah, it tried to build it again. Not sure why it fails... It says the reason must be in /var/lib/dkms/ath10k/1.0/build/make.log... Anyway, both mplayer and hda-verb are installed. Hm... Maybe our old hack would work again? Try again:

<fringe> debianuser: I just noticed something weird, I can completely mute audio here as in pic related, and yet I still hear audio from the video on firefox: https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449009648169.png why is this so?

<debianuser>   sudo hda-verb /dev/snd/hwC1D0 0x0f SET_PIN_WIDGET_CONTROL 0xc0

<debianuser> and check if you hear the sound from both speakers AND headphones.

<debianuser> Aebian: You're welcome! I'm glad it sounds better now. I still don't know why it sounded bad before however. :(  You can try installing "libasound2-plugins" (`sudo apt-get install libasound2-plugins`), just install it, restart the game and check if you hear any differences.

<fringe> It is now playing through both headset and the laptop speakers... all the while that the audio appears muted in Linux Mint's audio control thing... odd. https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449009805726.png

<fringe> debianuser: https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449009858068.png

<debianuser> fringe: Oh, then our old hack should work again:

<debianuser>    enable speakers: sudo hda-verb /dev/snd/hwC1D0 0x0b SET_PIN_WIDGET_CONTROL 0x40

<debianuser>    disable speakers: sudo hda-verb /dev/snd/hwC1D0 0x0b SET_PIN_WIDGET_CONTROL 0x0

<debianuser>    enable headphones: sudo hda-verb /dev/snd/hwC1D0 0x0f SET_PIN_WIDGET_CONTROL 0xc0

<debianuser>    disable headphones: sudo hda-verb /dev/snd/hwC1D0 0x0f SET_PIN_WIDGET_CONTROL 0x0

<fringe> Yes those commands are working. Do you know what exactly they are doing and why they work?

<fringe> Also, do you know how I could make a script that disables the speakers and enables headphones automatically when I start up the computer?

<Aebian> debianuser: SOS. since cinnamon got deinstalled with pulse audio autoremove now tells me that a bunch of cinnamon packages can be removed. thats wrong because if I would remove them now my DE would crash. BUT.. if I try to install cinnamon "scmi cinnamom" scmi stands for sudo command install [sudo apt-get install] ^^ he also tries to install pulseaudio with it =(

<Aebian> to stop scmi confusion: alias scmi='sudo apt-get install

<debianuser> fringe: Yes, I know what those commands do (they directly control soundcard codec to disable/enable pin nodes 0x0b and 0x0f, speakers are wired to pin node 0x0b and headphones jack is wired to 0x0f). And they're just a workaround, kernel is supposed to do that for you. But you need to report that as a bug to your distribution bugzilla so that it could be fixed in kernel. :)

<debianuser> I mean it should be fixed, but to fix it devs must know that there's a bug. Someone must report it. :)

<fringe> debianuser: I'm still getting absolutely no audio btw with any video players. Only thing giving me audio right now is Firefox.

<Aebian> debianuser: https://gist.github.com/Aebian/7b8b8ef492f04dfcdf54

<Aebian> cls

<Aebian> ... wrong terminal

<fringe> debianuser: here are the old commands btw, I saved them to thumbstick before upgrading to Linux Mint 17.3; https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449011016208.png

<debianuser> fringe: Ah, yeah, you can use those :)

<fringe> debianuser: I don't know how to report the bug btw.

<fringe> debianuser: Any reason why VLC, VideoPlayer, etc. are still not playing any audio at all? I've got it set up right now so audio only plays through headset. That is working just fine with firefox but all offline video players are producing no audio.

<debianuser> Hm... If you're using ubuntu I guess you just needed to run `ubuntu-bug -s audio`. Not sure how you report bugs in mint...

<debianuser> fringe: Maybe there's just no audio in the file you're playing? Can you try to play it in mplayer and copy its output to some pastebin?

<debianuser> Where's your Nightcore MIX 3 Hours HD Part 1.mp4 file? In what directory?

<fringe> https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449011491625.png here but it's not working

<debianuser> Then I guess it's not there. Or there's a typo in its name. Try using filename completion. When you press <tab> key in shell it autocompletes the name. E.g. if you type   "mpla<tab>" it should complete it to "mplayer". And if you type /ho<tab> it should complete it to /home/

<debianuser> fringe: Good. There's some audio track. And it plays through pulseaudio. Can you hear it when mplayer plays it?

<fringe> https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449011724638.png

<fringe> I do not hear anything.

<debianuser> fringe: Can you run `pactl list` and copy its full output to some pastebin?

<fringe> mplayer is still running, should I stop it, or open up another terminal window?

<debianuser> leave it running

<debianuser> I want to see it in pactl list.

<debianuser> Or rather I want to see where it plays to in pactl list ;)

<Aebian> hmmmmm

<fringe> Pactl list results in such an extremely long output I can't copypaste it all, is there any command to get the full output of it into a pastebin?

<Aebian> debianuser: I think I need to install cinnamon since a lot of packages depending on it but I don't want pulseaudio to get installed with it :X

<Aebian> fringe: yeah like cat yourfile.log | pbcopy

<debianuser> Aebian: What packages does it want to remove? Can you copy that list to a pastebin?

<debianuser> Aebian: Ah, found your link above

<Aebian> debianuser: https://gist.github.com/Aebian/7b8b8ef492f04dfcdf54 yeah

<fringe> It's doing that thing again... https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449012136346.png

<AstralStorm> I've found a bug in ALSA, related to lfloat and/or float format, combined with dmix

<AstralStorm> where can I report that for a reasonable triage? I know I could hit alsa-devel ML

<AstralStorm> it is related to setting buffer sizes or period sizes on loopback device too...

>AstralStorm< Are you from 8ch.net/vis/ ?

>AstralStorm< Is this your post https://8ch.net/vis/res/379.html#q472 ?

 Aebian afics ALicinio alip andrewrk angular_mike__ ankk armands ashka AstralStorm azeam

<debianuser> Aebian: We need to mark those packages as "manually installed", that will convince apt-get that those are important and it won't ask to remove them. For example try: `sudo apt-get install caribou cinnamon-common cinnamon-control-center-data cinnamon-desktop-data cinnamon-screensaver cinnamon-settings-daemon`  then check again what packages it wants to remove now

>AstralStorm< Just asking because of the occult name btw, I'm from 8ch.net/fringe/

<debianuser> fringe: Don't know how to stop ath10k. It's something your distro-specific. I guess you're supposed to ask that in mint channel. :(

<fringe> debianuser: can't because banned from there, the problem began after I upgraded kernal btw, and even after purging the new kernal and going back weird stuff like this is still occurring

<Aebian> debianuser: I think this fixedd the long list. he just uninstalled some other shit :D

<Aebian> *fixed

<debianuser> AstralStorm: Hello :) I guess alsa-devel is the best place. Devs don't read this channel too often, but they do read mailing list. Did you managed to reproduce the issue with aplay or some small test?

<debianuser> fringe: just `sudo apt-get purge ath10k-dkms`, just package name, without version and extension. But be careful. Get at least some working livecd/liveusb ready. I mean if you remove it and won't install it back you'll have no internet and won't be able to recover.

<fringe> tfw might be screwing up my install so bad I'll probably have to redo everything again from scratch

<debianuser> Aebian: You're welcome! If you want you can try to troubleshoot pulseaudio, as we now know that alsa works fine. Or if you're happy with how it works now you can leave it like that and be happy! :)

<debianuser> so unless you have some reasons to stick with old versions of those packages you don't have to be concerned about that

<fringe> >Building for 3.19.0-32-generic and 4.3.0-040300-generic

<debianuser> AstralStorm: If you feel brave and have some programming you can try to fix the bug yourself and attach a patch to your email. That would certainly increase the importance of the email and its chances to get fixed. :)

<fringe> Why is it doing this? I don't even have the 4.3 kernal anymore.

<fringe> debianuser: https://8ch.net/vis/res/379.html#q487 I have no idea how it is right now that I'm sending you this message over IRC

<fringe> This is really screwed up...

<fringe> Should I completely re-install Linux Mint 17.3 from scratch again?

<fringe> This is 2spooky4me

<fringe> https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449014101121.png

<fringe> I am not entirely sure I am experiencing a lucid dream right now or not.

<fringe> debianuser: what should I do right now?

<Aebian> debianuser: SOS again, now my lockscreen is not exectunig anymore o.o

<Aebian> *executing

<fringe> Linux defies logic.

<fringe> brb

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<fringe> Back, how do I completely purge kernal 4.3.0 and make apt-get stop trying to do things with it?

<fringe> https://mintguide.org/system/517-install-linux-kernel-4-3-stable-on-linux-mint.html

<fringe> I tried to remove stuff as per the instructions in here but it doesn't seem to have done a good job of it.

<debianuser> fringe: `sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-4.3.0...` (can't copypaste it from screenshot :) )

<debianuser> Aebian: Hah, we can do it the other way around: `apt-get install --print-uris cinnamon` - it won't install those, just print uris. But we'll know what packages we miss.

<fringe> debianuser: http://pastebin.com/kzAr7eDV

<fringe> what is proper command I use?

<fringe> Is it linux-headers-4.3.0-040300 ?

<debianuser> fringe: `sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-4.3.0-040300-generic`

<fringe> should I also do sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-4.3.0-040300 ?

<fringe> https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449015854077.png

<fringe> https://media.8ch.net/vis/src/1449015925637.png

<fringe> debianuser: what now?

<fringe> I think I should do sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-4.3.0-040300 right?

<debianuser> fringe: nothing. It's fixed now :)

<fringe> I'm going to run that command anyways, there shouldn't be anything left of 4.3 in there.

<debianuser> Yes, I'm going to be here tomorrow too :)

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<storrgie> I'm in fedora trying to get playback via mpd and alsa working and I'm seeing permissions issues: https://gist.github.com/storrgie/aadb7615434d5865391c

<storrgie> based on that last gist, I changed the name of the devices to hw:2,0 and thats when I saw the permissions issue: https://gist.github.com/storrgie/b661ea3ebfa3514e0a85

<storrgie> would be most appreciate if anyone would help me poke around in this

<debianuser> storrgie: Can you show a bit more details about your sound system? You can use alsa-info script: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo it should automatically suggest you to upload your data and give you a link to it (you can run it as a regular user, it doesn't need root).

<debianuser> storrgie: It's just according to alsa-info you have pulseaudio installed and rinning.

<storrgie> it is added to the audio group upon install

<debianuser> *running

<storrgie> yes, by default in fedora pulseaudio is set up and running

<debianuser> pulseaudio redirects all the sound through itself

<storrgie> I can play back to my laptop speakers via pulse, but I want to play back to the usb dac via alsa

<debianuser> so while pulseaudio holds the card noone else can play to it, and as far as I know only the user that started pulseaudio can play to it

<storrgie> debianuser, can i tell pulseaudio to ignore this card?

<debianuser> storrgie: if you can - I don't know how :(

<storrgie> one tic, I'll be back

<storrgie> apparently in pavucontrol you can 'disable' a device

<storrgie> im going to reboot the system entirely to see if that might work

<debianuser> storrgie: So the options are: (1) never use that card in pulseaudio, then you'll be able to use it in alsa apps. (2) if you don't need any pulse features you can remove pulseaudio and use just alsa

<debianuser> storrgie: in #1 case your setup is correct. Just check that mpd user is actually in audio group (`id mpd`) and restart mpd if needed

<storrgie> debianuser, yeah im wanting option 1 because i want pulse for other things (for laptop speakers and hdmi output and stuff

<storrgie> but I'm seeing the same issue

<debianuser> storrgie: that's easy to test: `speaker-test -c2 -twav -Dhw:G1V5`

<storrgie> https://gist.github.com/storrgie/fce4304d0d3dd7660e05

<storrgie> do i need to have a wav file to play back?

<debianuser> no, not for speaker-test...

<storrgie> I'm assuming that you're seeing my gist above... that speaker test doesn't appear to run properly

<debianuser> It says it doesn't support 48kHz 16-bit stereo... And speaker-test can't resample. Let's try plughw: `speaker-test -c2 -twav -Dplughw:G1V5`

<storrgie> that works

<storrgie> im getting audio now

<storrgie> but changing my device declaration in mpd to plughw:G1V5 doesn't seem to work

<debianuser> In your last paste it was "Failed to open ALSA device "hw:G1V5": No such device" and there's certainly such device now

<debianuser> so at least the error should be different

<storrgie> I did, I changed it to plughw:G1V5, restarted, didnt work, changed to plughw:0,0 (its currently 0,0), restarted, still doesnt work

<debianuser> still doesn't work with what error?

<storrgie> sorry, i feel bad for making you click so many links, that 2 liner wasn't too awful of a paste

<debianuser> Hm... Can you stop mpd and start it manually as `/usr/bin/mpd --no-daemon --verbose` from command-line as your user?

<debianuser> does it work in that case?

<storrgie> as my own?

<debianuser> yes, as your user first (if that works the second test would be `sudo -u mpd -H /usr/bin/mpd --no-daemon --verbose`)

<storrgie> hrm, that might prove to be difficult with permissions and whatnot

<storrgie> of the config files

<debianuser> well, try `sudo -u mpd -H /usr/bin/mpd --no-daemon --verbose`

<storrgie> that errors also...

<storrgie> but for a weird reason

<storrgie> lemme make a gist real quick

<storrgie> https://gist.github.com/storrgie/e0b06afe47d69c286dab

<debianuser> Hm... Try: `sudo -u mpd -H /usr/bin/mpd --no-daemon --verbose --stderr` maybe in that case it won't try to open that log

<debianuser> Who's holding it? `sudo lsof -n | grep /dev/snd/pcm` (look for pcmCxDyp) where x=card number, y=device number

<debianuser> (e.g. /dev/snd/pcmC2D0p if card "G1V5" has index 2 )

<storrgie> https://gist.github.com/storrgie/bd2fc3e5f73e0eefd3fe

<storrgie> It was C0

<debianuser> Looks like nothing is holding it now... Try running `sudo watch -n 0 "lsof -n | grep /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p"` in one terminal and watch it when running `sudo -u mpd -H /usr/bin/mpd --no-daemon --verbose --stderr` in another one.

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<fringe> tfw no DebianUser.

<fringe> I have some weird problem where audio is only playing through left side of my headset...

<fringe> oh nvm, looks like my headset is just fucked, switched it out for another and getting way better audio quality for one. Time to return this piece of shit ayylienware headset lel.

<fringe> Hmmmm... better try it on another device first though to be sure. Tfw other headset is set at max volume and can't adjust at all.

<fringe> ...I'm at a loss as to what's happening ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

<fringe> GUI seems to be indicating it's randomly switching between different audio control systems, I guess it's switching between Alsa and Pulse at random.

<fringe> Just tried plugging my alienware headset into android tablet, it's only playing through left-ear, and only very quietly. Welp, I'm just going to send it off to my dad and he can take it to his workplace I guess to see what's wrong.

<fringe> Going to use my backup headset from now on while testing stuff, there is no mic though, going to have to obtain a separate mic.

 

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<fringe_> Computer literally just froze and crashed when I unplugged DP cable and put it back in, it's not working very nicely with 4k, eek.

<fringe_> I'd just need a batter for my desktop though so it can keep running as if it were a laptop when there is power outs.

<Aebian> well upgrading of hardware would be easier :D

<fringe_> Yes and I could get parts that actually work with Linux Mint instead of having to deal with my terrible ath10k wireless card always failing me or performing poorly and get audio and 4k to all work without all these stupid awful problems.

<fringe_> I feel like 2015 is a year of stasis for technology in general, all high-end stuff performs terribly right now, everything should be a hell of a lot better in 2020.

<fringe_> I mean limbo.

<fringe_> not stasis

<fringe_> I should just go full amish in 2016 and stay that way until 2020.

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<Aebian> fringe_: I got a MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX AC with built-in wireless. No problems with linux alltough I use cable most of the time

<fringe_> I am getting absolutely no sound right now btw except from Firefox and Minecraft. VLC, mPlayer, and all other offline videoplayers aren't producing any sound.

<fringe_> I wonder when high-resolution screens that you wear will become the standard screen for computing. Whenever that takes off everything is going to be a lot more comfortable for me. I'll just set up my computer in the room, and then I myself can sit anywhere I want with wireless keyboard. I probably should have got a wireless digitiser too instead of a wired one... ah well.

<fringe_> Are wireless headsets recommended btw or are they terrible compared to wired ones?

<Miles> In the BIOS settings there is a HDA Audio which I guess is the normal onboard sound and also "CPU Audio Device"

<Miles> I'm just curious what "CPU Audio Device" is and what it does

<fringe_> oh my... finally... it's running audio through headset!

<Aebian> fringe_: nice just happened or did you change anything?

<fringe_> Aebian: Man that is... 680.... 1020....1360... 1700....2040...2380... (I need to install and play Tux Math for a hundred hours straight with only time taken off to sleep and eat again to sharpen up my math skills ayy)

<fringe_> ...2720.

<fringe_> Yeah you could have bought 8 of your computer Aebian for the price of mine and that's not including the monitor and keyboard and mouse and headset and digitiser and random other shit I got.

<fringe_> 2020 can't come soon enough

<Aebian> fringe_: well I have a strange issue too. If I enter any TeamSpeak 3 server my music app just stops and even if I press the play button again (keyboard or via app) my song does not play and I need to click on another :X

<fringe_> Why do we even have these silly audio problems in 2016? How complex can audio even get? Maybe I just don't appreciate what sort of engineering and software goes into this sound is sound... it seems so simple.

<fringe_> I know that feel, it's a nightmare maze of problems and unpredictable behaviour, I wonder how big the source code is and how long it would take me to go through it for Pulse.

<fringe_> I'm also no sound engineer or musician and don't really understand half of what Montalk is going on about here: http://montalk.net/metaphys/265/soul-resonance-and-music

<Miles> Pulse is massive. It's super powerful. Some things it does really well

<fringe_> I'd probably have to evoke a celestial intelligence to download the relevant musical knowledge and enter a state of meditation combined with time-dilation to go over the relevant programming.

<fringe_> (relevant elemental correspondence would be air so I guess I better talk to some sylphs about this)

<epictetus> I hate pulse.

<Miles> I have a love hate thing. It's nice to use a bluetooth headset easily.

<Miles> It's bad for it to ignore all attempts to limit the volume and blue my speakers up.

<Miles> **blow

<Miles> It wouldn't be so bad if you could turn it off and on easily

<Miles> Ah, yes, I don't think that is what pulse was designed to do

<Miles> But with realtime and the right buffer sizes it can be pretty low latency

<Miles> I found it to be very close to jack

<epictetus> it's too bad jack didn't become the universal linux audio service backend / API instead of pulse

<Miles> They're kinda different tools for different jobs

<epictetus> yeah. but Microsoft and Apple have both made audio subsystems that work for both pro audio and games/desktop use, it's gotta be possible

<Miles> Sure, I imagine those projects cost quite a lot of money to develop though

<Miles> Not saying free things suck or that because something is free is's OK for it to suck though

<epictetus> jack is awesome it just doesn't try to do the "ooh my bluetooth / USB headphones work magically in linux like they do in windows" trick

<bisleri> hi, how can I control volume of device using C library??

<fringe_> oh wow just spend an hour writing up a rant criticizing the ayylienware headset when I started to write in my rant about lengths of the wires and decided to unplug the extension for my ayylienware

<fringe_> and guess what?

<fringe_> Now that I've got the extension wire removed...

<fringe_> It's working perfectly.

<fringe_> I guess the extension wire was damaged.

<fringe_> yep 100% confirmed

<fringe_> with extension wire, it only plays through left headphone and only quietly, with that removed it's fine

<fringe_> pics incoming in a moment, just need to force refresh all of /vis/ right now because of the cripple admin's as yet still unresolved bugs he intended to have fixed by December.

<fringe_> https://8ch.net/vis/res/543.html#q546

<fringe_> This right here is the defective component, that extension wire.

<fringe_> It must have got run over by the wheels of my office chair.

<fringe_> tfw I live right next to a giant bin where tons of office desks and chairs and filing cabinents constantly get thrown out and I just pick out the best ones if I want from time to time to fill up my room

<fringe_> https://www.youtube.com/user/FringeWizard/videos

<fringe_> It's a good thing DebianUser isn't here right now because I just solved the majority of my problems today by being a bumbling retard until I discovered for myself what's really going on.

<fringe_> Aebian: It's the University of Waterloo that throws out most of it, all the big offices and university departments keep getting new stuff to appease hipsters, and throwing out rugged high quality office equipment in the process.

<Aebian> fringe_: Waterloo... dafaq I just hear

<Aebian> fringe_: By any chance do you maybe know Open Text Corp?

<fringe_> tfw I get practically everything for free or super cheap, free food from dumpsters at the market or they just give me boxes of stuff or I bulk buy really cheap, free chair, free headset, free desks, sleep on the floor don't want a mattress I threw that out, etc.

<fringe_> tfw you're close enough to lynch me for my eccentricities, I best behave myself ayy lmao

<Aebian> lol haha

<fringe_> tfw download 1,090 book on fitness and nutrition (looks like survivalism too), https://8ch.net/vis/res/548.html ,,, my main occult library has no more than 200 books but only because I hold onto only the very best of thousands while my alt occult libraries have thousands..