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  1. (2:34:55 PM) Mokai: i figure trying to explain myself a second time will lead to just as fucking dire a time as last night so i'll just say that if you're going to be mad then whatever, i can't stop you, but i'm not doing this out of any kind of vindictive spite nor do i mean you any ill will. i understand you feel i've cheated you but that's obviously not the fucking intention. i'm not mad at you, i just don't have anything else left to say on the matter
  2. (2:37:32 PM) Anscenic: yeah i'm sorry if i wasn't clear as i sometimes am not but i will reiterate that i'm not annoyed at you for ending a game early you weren't really feeling, i was annoyed that you didn't seem to accept that i had any right to be annoyed when you implied it was just because you couldn't be bothered with it. it's a bit of a let down sure, but it was more annoying that you didn't seem to care that you'd let people down, and you talked about it as if it's a perfectly normal and acceptable thing to do. i was mad at your attitude rather than what you did
  3. (2:38:29 PM) Anscenic: if you're not in the mood to run it you're not in the mood to run it, but you need to accept that that is your bad and the players have a right to be disappointed by that
  4. (2:38:38 PM) Mokai: see my first point
  5. (2:38:50 PM) Mokai: but nice to know you're not actually mad
  6. (2:39:54 PM) Mokai: no really
  7. (2:40:03 PM) Mokai: it's not worth the fucking asanine arguments
  8. (2:40:04 PM) Mokai: :p
  9. (2:42:01 PM) Anscenic: yeah. with regard to the actual game i'm mostly just disappointed, since it was a lot of fun. i'm not ass devastated about it because it's prettye asily reumable, and there's a lot of stuff worth doing in the meantime. it's not like you're leaving johnny as the only one wanting to run a game or something, there's pther shit we can play
  10. (2:42:38 PM) Anscenic: like i say i was ass devastated at your >implication that you were dropping it because even though you enjoyed it it was just too much effort
  11. (2:42:45 PM) Anscenic: that was pretty "fuck you guys, cba"
  12. (2:44:17 PM) Anscenic: because at the time despite my asking about it you faile dto illustrate that you weren't really feeling it, it just came across like you couldn't be bothered writing it and you were dropping us to concentrate on the pony game
  13. (2:45:08 PM) Anscenic: but yeah itt whatever general
  14. (2:45:31 PM) Mokai: um
  15. (2:45:35 PM) Mokai: okay back up
  16. (2:45:43 PM) Mokai: i never said shit about any other game
  17. (2:45:49 PM) Mokai: you broughtup the pone game
  18. (2:46:09 PM) Anscenic: i mentioned it several times and you didn't deny that you would be running the pony game still, so i assumed you were
  19. (2:46:13 PM) Anscenic: that's afair implication
  20. (2:46:21 PM) Anscenic: BEFORE YOU RESPOND
  21. (2:46:23 PM) Anscenic: to clarify
  22. (2:46:31 PM) Anscenic: i am NOT >implying you specifically chose one game over the other
  23. (2:46:52 PM) Mokai: no i was actually just going to go >getting mad over implications you've pressed upon someone
  24. (2:47:00 PM) Mokai: i mean, fuck
  25. (2:47:08 PM) Mokai: i mightswell just not fucking say anything lol
  26. (2:47:12 PM) Mokai: you can do my arguments for me :p
  27. (2:47:20 PM) Anscenic: well if you really want to get into this
  28. (2:47:25 PM) Anscenic: like i said, it's a fair implication
  29. (2:47:29 PM) Anscenic: i mentioned it several times
  30. (2:47:42 PM) Anscenic: not to mention the fact that even now, you're not denying it, so i'm assuming you're still running it
  31. (2:47:42 PM) Mokai: and i never directly answered
  32. (2:47:51 PM) Mokai: becuase it was a fucking akward question
  33. (2:47:57 PM) Anscenic: then you can NOT blame me for assuming the answer
  34. (2:48:23 PM) Mokai: no but i can blame you for getting mad over it
  35. (2:48:28 PM) Anscenic: i didn't
  36. (2:48:31 PM) Mokai: infact thats the only reason why this has-- what
  37. (2:48:32 PM) Anscenic: as i just explained
  38. (2:48:42 PM) Anscenic: seriously sorry, i am obviously not being clear
  39. (2:48:48 PM) Anscenic: i will clarify
  40. (2:48:59 PM) Anscenic: i am not implying i got mad because you dropped our game and kept running the pony game
  41. (2:50:00 PM) Anscenic: i am saying that it was a small contributing factor among a handful of other things that annoyed me at the time, that on one hand you were -coming across- as saying "this is too much effort, screw you guys", yet on the other hand still running the pony game
  42. (2:51:21 PM) Mokai: thats fin
  43. (2:51:23 PM) Mokai: really
  44. (2:51:33 PM) Mokai: you got mad for your own reasons that i can't actually help
  45. (2:51:41 PM) Mokai: i was getting mad in response to you getting mad
  46. (2:52:00 PM) Anscenic: that's not entirely true - i was mad at the situation which you put across
  47. (2:52:45 PM) Anscenic: if you'd have said in the first place when i asked about it being boring or not fun "yeah i'm really sory man, i'm just not up to it", i wouldn't have even gotten mad
  48. (2:52:58 PM) Anscenic: it was the fact you came back with >fuck you i didn't do anything wrong
  49. (2:53:25 PM) Mokai: i can't help somebody else getting mad, i can understand if they dont like something i do or say, i can help that, but for them to escalate that to being mad then, well fuck i can't do anythign
  50. (2:53:37 PM) Mokai: so no, i tried to put it as best as how i felt it
  51. (2:53:39 PM) Mokai: you got mad
  52. (2:53:43 PM) Mokai: so i got mad at you g etting mad
  53. (2:53:50 PM) Mokai: it's not the argument
  54. (2:53:53 PM) Anscenic: you're still implying that you don't believe there was anything wrong with the situation you implied
  55. (2:54:23 PM) Mokai: no, i don't believe it was anything worth getting utterly enraged and hurling abuse over
  56. (2:54:32 PM) Mokai: but i can't help that
  57. (2:55:18 PM) Anscenic: well yeah sorry if it bothers me that someone could imply they're fucking me over out of laziness then play the victim
  58. (2:55:38 PM) Anscenic: i do believe that's worth getting angry about
  59. (2:55:51 PM) Anscenic: especially considering the faith people put in you as a GM and as a friend
  60. (2:56:18 PM) Mokai: aight
  61. (2:56:30 PM) Mokai: so i'll expect more hate fuel in the future should i fuck up again
  62. (2:56:32 PM) Mokai: nice to know
  63. (2:57:03 PM) Mokai: like i said on the night, your needs are obviously way higher than what i can provide
  64. (2:57:23 PM) Anscenic: i never got such a message, and it's not on the log
  65. (2:57:28 PM) Anscenic: but either way that's not the case
  66. (2:57:49 PM) Anscenic: because there's no "need" that's not being met. it's just a game, the only obligation i hold a GM to is finishing the game they offer to run
  67. (2:57:52 PM) Mokai: this entire week would proove otherwise but okay
  68. (2:58:16 PM) Anscenic: i disagree. like i say, the only need that's not been met is the need for a GM to respect his players
  69. (2:58:28 PM) Mokai: no
  70. (2:58:28 PM) Anscenic: and respect his responsibility in using their time
  71. (2:58:30 PM) Mokai: just no
  72. (2:58:37 PM) Mokai: im not getting sucked into another argument
  73. (2:58:41 PM) Mokai: really, im quite done
  74. (2:59:00 PM) Anscenic: well it's still abundantly clear that nothing has changed and we still disagree on these fundamental issues of respect and responsibility
  75. (2:59:09 PM) Anscenic: so this conversation has achieved nothing
  76. (2:59:38 PM) Mokai: this conversation started out with me saying that im not mad and that i didn't want to continue the argument
  77. (2:59:56 PM) Anscenic: yeah that doesn't actually mean anything unless you provide a valid reason to end it
  78. (3:00:01 PM) Mokai: ...
  79. (3:00:04 PM) Mokai: uh
  80. (3:00:18 PM) Mokai: well
  81. (3:00:25 PM) Mokai: you're not mad at me
  82. (3:00:27 PM) Mokai: apparently
  83. (3:00:36 PM) Mokai: you certainly fucking seem it
  84. (3:00:41 PM) Mokai: i'm not mad at you
  85. (3:00:45 PM) Mokai: whether you want to believe that or nto
  86. (3:00:54 PM) Anscenic: i'm mad at the attitude i thought you had. at the moment you seem to illustrate that you do indeed have that attitude
  87. (3:00:57 PM) Anscenic: so nothing has changed
  88. (3:01:00 PM) Mokai: so if all thats left is this argument then w/e ill walk around rightnow
  89. (3:01:12 PM) Mokai: oh
  90. (3:01:17 PM) Mokai: so you ARE mad at me?
  91. (3:01:33 PM) Mokai: and this trying to smooththings over actually just did nothing?
  92. (3:02:25 PM) Anscenic: this isn't "smoothing things over" because you said nothing of relevance. doing that is just asking me to ignore something that's bothering me. it's kind of like if you slapped me in the face, i got pissed at you then the next day you said to me "look i'm not mad, how about we forget it?"
  93. (3:02:45 PM) Anscenic: you clearly still believe you did nothing wrong and i was being unreasonable in getting pissed at your attitude and the lack of respect you implied
  94. (3:03:17 PM) Anscenic: not only do i dsiagree with that, but it illustrates vastly different views on the responsibilities of a GM, which i also disagree with
  95. (3:04:01 PM) Anscenic: as you say "i can't help that", but just because you can't help it doesn't mean i don't still disagree
  96. (3:04:25 PM) Mokai: okay then, ill change the word, sorry i don't meet your criterea for DMing
  97. (3:05:15 PM) Anscenic: you're not sorry, that's not the case, and only serves to illustrate not only that you still don't understand but you still don't feel anything for the situation
  98. (3:05:28 PM) Anscenic: it's nothing to do with criteria
  99. (3:06:01 PM) Anscenic: you unapologetically dropped a campaign mid-game with no regard for the players or their time, and went on to argue that it was never your obligation to do anything else
  100. (3:06:49 PM) Anscenic: if that's how you feel, then we fundamentally disagree on what it means to run a game
  101. (3:08:16 PM) Mokai: guess i'm a villain?
  102. (3:08:18 PM) Mokai: okay
  103. (3:08:26 PM) Mokai: sorry for being relaxed
  104. (3:08:29 PM) Anscenic: it's not the fact you ended a game you didn't want to run, it's the fact that you didn't feel anyone had any right to be annoyed with you in doing so
  105. (3:08:38 PM) Mokai: no
  106. (3:08:44 PM) Anscenic: you can call it relaxation, i call it a lack of respect
  107. (3:08:46 PM) Mokai: because its fucking free entertainment
  108. (3:09:01 PM) Anscenic: see?
  109. (3:09:08 PM) Mokai: you're thinking about the expectations of what i have to give
  110. (3:09:22 PM) Mokai: and disregarding what ive given already
  111. (3:09:29 PM) Anscenic: you came here to string some bullshit words together and expect it to just circumnavigate the actual situation
  112. (3:09:46 PM) Mokai: THERE IS NO FUCKING SITUATION
  113. (3:09:48 PM) Mokai: YOU
  114. (3:09:50 PM) Anscenic: unfortunately as long as you have such an asshole view, we're not going to agree
  115. (3:09:52 PM) Mokai: ARE THE ONE WITH THE SITUATION
  116. (3:09:55 PM) Mokai: IM SAT HERE
  117. (3:09:58 PM) Mokai: POKER FACE AS FUCK
  118. (3:10:04 PM) Mokai: WAS, AT LEAST
  119. (3:10:07 PM) Mokai: fuck
  120. (3:10:17 PM) Anscenic: yeah sorry but "i'm not mad at you so this isn't a problem" is not a valid argument
  121. (3:10:17 PM) Mokai: ASSHOLE VIEW!?
  122. (3:10:19 PM) Mokai: WHAT
  123. (3:10:25 PM) Mokai: oh fuck it
  124. (3:10:26 PM) Mokai: really
  125. (3:10:27 PM) Anscenic: i am explaining to you calmly why i have a problem with you
  126. (3:10:28 PM) Mokai: fuck it
  127. (3:10:32 PM) Mokai: done
  128. (3:10:33 PM) Mokai: goodbye
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