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  2. [6:58:59 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): but that's ok, as long as you don't act like your opinions are the end all be all benchmark for good taste
  3. [6:59:04 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I have no problems :)
  4. [6:59:15 AM] Ben: which matt does only to piss you off
  5. [6:59:21 AM] Ben: hes trolling most of the time
  6. [6:59:24 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah what a troll -_-
  7. [6:59:31 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): should be kicked for trolling (worry)
  8. [6:59:38 AM] Ben: obv
  9. [7:00:06 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): only person on the team I actually dislike (worry)
  10. [7:00:14 AM] Ben: lol
  11. [7:01:04 AM] Alan (Sandstorm846): (tmi)
  12. [7:01:11 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): ?
  13. [7:01:45 AM] Ben: dislike because of opinon lol
  14. [7:01:48 AM] Ben: : D
  15. [7:02:04 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): the way he acts about his opinions
  16. [7:02:28 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): and the way he reacted when isaac tried out pausing on vocals on two songs, I lost any respect I could have had for him at that point
  17. [7:02:49 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): Now I'm just waiting for him to kick me from erg for some retarded reason : D
  18. [7:02:49 AM] Ben: pausing is cheating tho
  19. [7:03:07 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): to be fair, a mechanic that literally anyone could use is just another strategy
  20. [7:03:21 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): people didn't call extended sustain glitching cheating, they just adapted and learned to use it
  21. [7:03:27 AM] Ben: would you pause on guitar
  22. [7:03:38 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I have on a few songs, out of convienence
  23. [7:03:50 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): but nothing I couldn't hit without pausing
  24. [7:03:51 AM] Ben: would you put it in a video?
  25. [7:03:54 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah sure
  26. [7:03:58 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): nobody watches my vids anyways lol
  27. [7:03:59 AM] Ben: pausing
  28. [7:04:08 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah
  29. [7:04:14 AM] Ben: i havent seen it it any of your vids
  30. [7:04:16 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): there's absolutely no problems with it
  31. [7:04:34 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah cause I mostly make vids of easy stuff I've already done
  32. [7:04:41 AM] Ben: youd prefer not to use it if unessecary
  33. [7:04:49 AM] Ben: because its frowned upon
  34. [7:04:52 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah, cause it's annoying to time
  35. [7:05:08 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): pausing in hard parts is usually really counter productive cause starting up the hopo chains again gets all screwy
  36. [7:05:17 AM] Ben: it may not be frowned upon by you, but to others it is
  37. [7:05:25 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): let's count how many fucks I give
  38. [7:05:29 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): it's another gameplay mechanic
  39. [7:05:36 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): that literally everyone has access to
  40. [7:05:59 AM] Ben: well i dont agree that its cool to use
  41. [7:06:19 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): well you're allowed to have your opinion
  42. [7:06:51 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): just don't overreact by trying to ostracize me in every way possible, refusing to play with me, calling me a cheater at all times, bitching about how hard it is for people who choose not to use a totally viable method
  43. [7:07:08 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): when you pull shit like that, that's when the respect goes
  44. [7:07:14 AM] Ben: well its not totally viable
  45. [7:07:26 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah it is, anyone could do it
  46. [7:08:39 AM] Ben: its like in boxing, when two boxers touch gloves after a mishap such as a low blow, one boxer could just swing at the others head while doing so to win, its completely legal, but people would consider it cheating
  47. [7:09:18 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I wouldn't
  48. [7:09:41 AM | Edited 7:09:48 AM] Ben: thats just what id compare pause squeezing to
  49. [7:09:55 AM] Ben: and thats why i wouldnt do it
  50. [7:10:25 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): well personally, I'd never use it for something I couldn't do without it
  51. [7:10:37 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): but I'm not gonna call someone a cheater for using it to their advantage
  52. [7:10:51 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I can have my opinion on it, but in the end it's just another gameplay mechanic anyone can use
  53. [7:38:18 AM] No, it's too big: baq
  54. [7:38:30 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): missed a good debate
  55. [7:38:39 AM] No, it's too big: i can see
  56. [7:38:48 AM] No, it's too big: about what?
  57. [7:39:29 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): well basically I was playing devil's advocate for people that "cheat" on vox scores
  58. [7:39:49 AM] No, it's too big: oh
  59. [7:40:45 AM] No, it's too big: cheating is gay
  60. [7:41:20 AM] MWcw709 (Doug): (y)
  61. [7:41:29 AM] Jackson (kingyami): k
  62. [7:41:48 AM] No, it's too big: mmhmmm
  63. [7:42:03 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): not cheating if it's a gameplay mechanic literally anyone can use
  64. [7:42:17 AM] No, it's too big: still cheating imo
  65. [7:42:21 AM] MWcw709 (Doug): ^
  66. [7:42:35 AM] I'm a Bear?: it wasn't an intended gameplay mechanic
  67. [7:42:50 AM] I'm a Bear?: it's a glitch
  68. [7:42:54 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): how was it unintentional?
  69. [7:42:59 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): OD always stops when someone fails out
  70. [7:43:22 AM] I'm a Bear?: so you're saying when they developed the game, that was an idea they had
  71. [7:43:30 AM] No, it's too big: debate time.
  72. [7:43:36 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah, to stop OD drain in case they needed to bring somebody back in with it
  73. [7:44:00 AM] MWcw709 (Doug): yea but doing it with out a band and turning no fail off a point that you want od to stop just to get another activation that wouldn't be there is cheating
  74. [7:44:05 AM] I'm a Bear?: yeah, but it wasn't intended for the purpose people use it for
  75. [7:44:18 AM] I'm a Bear?: they just didn't think it through and people have taken advantage
  76. [7:44:33 AM] I'm a Bear?: its the same as any glitch in any game
  77. [7:44:35 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah but literally anyone could take advantage of it
  78. [7:44:44 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): next you're gonna tell me front ends on RB2 drums are cheating
  79. [7:44:51 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): cause they weren't intended to be "taken advantage of"
  80. [7:44:58 AM] I'm a Bear?: (facepalm)
  81. [7:45:12 AM | Edited 7:45:19 AM] MWcw709 (Doug): he isn't understanding
  82. [7:45:21 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): that wasn't an intended mechanic either
  83. [7:45:24 AM] I'm a Bear?: i respect what you're trying to say, but you won't sway the masses
  84. [7:45:25 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): and literally anyone could use it
  85. [7:45:28 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): so what is the difference?
  86. [7:45:34 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): nothing but your own personal feelings about it
  87. [7:45:38 AM] I'm a Bear?: example
  88. [7:45:47 AM] I'm a Bear?: i play a lot of gears competitve
  89. [7:45:50 AM] I'm a Bear?: in gow 1
  90. [7:45:58 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): [7:45 AM] I'm a Bear?:
  91.  
  92. <<< i respect what you're trying to say, but you won't sway the massesI'm just playing devil's advocate
  93. [7:46:08 AM] I'm a Bear?: you could weapon slide to pick up the weapon without being shot
  94. [7:46:19 AM] I'm a Bear?: LITERALLY anyone could use
  95. [7:46:27 AM] I'm a Bear?: yet it was banned from competitve play
  96. [7:46:37 AM] I'm a Bear?: because it wasn't an intended game mechanic
  97. [7:46:43 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): define banned
  98. [7:46:50 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): do you mean in structured tournaments?
  99. [7:47:02 AM] I'm a Bear?: ofc
  100. [7:47:18 AM] I'm a Bear?: every game has glitches, this is a fact
  101. [7:47:25 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yes
  102. [7:47:42 AM] I'm a Bear?: i won't sit here and say ive never used a glitch to further advance in a game
  103. [7:48:04 AM] Jackson (kingyami): pokemon yellow
  104. [7:48:04 AM] I'm a Bear?: but to pass it off as a legitimate method of play is stupid
  105. [7:48:06 AM] Jackson (kingyami): mew glitch
  106. [7:48:10 AM] Jackson (kingyami): 8-)
  107. [7:48:13 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah
  108. [7:48:24 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I used glitches in blue to get level 230 pokemon
  109. [7:48:32 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): does that mean I cheated? (worry)
  110. [7:48:37 AM] Jackson (kingyami): (worry)
  111. [7:48:47 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): up to opinion
  112. [7:48:50 AM] No, it's too big: missingno
  113. [7:48:52 AM] No, it's too big: FTW
  114. [7:48:54 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): ^^^
  115. [7:49:02 AM] No, it's too big: catch missingno
  116. [7:49:03 AM] No, it's too big: :)
  117. [7:49:07 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I did :)
  118. [7:49:10 AM] No, it's too big: mine evolved into a snorlax
  119. [7:49:11 AM] No, it's too big: (worry)
  120. [7:49:14 AM] I'm a Bear?: using glitches and game exploits is cheating, its pretty simple
  121. [7:49:20 AM] No, it's too big: yup
  122. [7:49:21 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): gave it a rare candy and it became a level 100 kangaskhan
  123. [7:49:38 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I still stand by the fact that it's just another gameplay mechanic
  124. [7:49:41 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): intentional or not
  125. [7:49:42 AM] No, it's too big: my lv 140 missingno evolved to a lv 57 snorlax
  126. [7:49:46 AM] No, it's too big: :|
  127. [7:50:10 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): hell, in SSBM, the move you could use to dodge in the air (air dash I think it's called) wasn't intentional, but that's allowed in tournaments
  128. [7:50:19 AM] No, it's too big: ssbm
  129. [7:50:22 AM] No, it's too big: is my fav game
  130. [7:50:24 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): it's all about your personal opinion, deciding based on what you do and don't like
  131. [7:50:27 AM] MWcw709 (Doug): (facepalm)
  132. [7:50:37 AM] I'm a Bear?: i dont give a shit tbh
  133. [7:50:41 AM | Edited 7:50:52 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): so to condemn somebody for using gameplay mechanics that EVERYONE has access to is retarded
  134. [7:50:52 AM] No, it's too big: still cheating.
  135. [7:51:11 AM] I'm a Bear?: im simply pointing out what everybody else feels and what is accepted to the majority of upstanding citizens
  136. [7:51:35 AM] No, it's too big: just because anyone can do it, doesn't make it not cheating
  137. [7:51:43 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): and I'm just saying it's unfair to brand somebody a cheater based on your own opinions about what should and should not be used
  138. [7:51:46 AM] I'm a Bear?: if someone feels the need to cheat their way through a game to nullify the pain of their daddy sexually abusing them, so be it
  139. [7:51:47 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): when it all CAN be used
  140. [7:52:00 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): [7:51 AM] I'm a Bear?:
  141.  
  142. <<< if someone feels the need to cheat their way through a game to nullify the pain of their daddy sexually abusing them, so be ityeah, cause THAT's it |-(
  143. [7:52:00 AM] Jackson (kingyami): dam
  144. [7:52:17 AM] No, it's too big: lol
  145. [7:52:26 AM] No, it's too big: what a breakthrough
  146. [7:52:40 AM] I'm a Bear?: people who act like fuckwits on the internet are generally masking some
  147. [7:52:44 AM] I'm a Bear?: ie. monkey
  148. [7:52:50 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): nah
  149. [7:52:53 AM] No, it's too big: lol
  150. [7:52:59 AM] No, it's too big: I completely agree with bear
  151. [7:53:02 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): there doesn't need to be some deep motivation or trauma to act like an asshat
  152. [7:53:07 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): some people just have that sort of sense of humor
  153. [7:53:13 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): i.e. monkey
  154. [7:53:24 AM] I'm a Bear?: so being a cockhead is something you decide to do
  155. [7:53:27 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah
  156. [7:53:31 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I could decide to do it right now
  157. [7:53:34 AM] I'm a Bear?: it has nothing to do with self esteem issues
  158. [7:53:55 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): it could have things to do with that, but that's not the definitive case
  159. [7:54:18 AM] I'm a Bear?: id say in 90%+ of cases it is
  160. [7:54:31 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): where are your statistics to back this up? :^)
  161. [7:54:32 AM] I'm a Bear?: you just have to look at all the cases of people acting like dickheads
  162. [7:55:33 AM] I'm a Bear?: got none
  163. [7:55:41 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): :)
  164. [7:55:58 AM] I'm a Bear?: its pretty obvious that most trolls have issues going far beyond their xbox lives
  165. [7:56:11 AM] No, it's too big: (nod)
  166. [7:56:26 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): it's also pretty obvious that anonymity makes people from all kinds of backgrounds act like fuckwits
  167. [7:57:01 AM] I'm a Bear?: but the people that most seek anonymity are the ones who have something to hide (ie. problems)
  168. [7:57:14 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): nah
  169. [7:57:18 AM] I'm a Bear?: yea
  170. [7:57:26 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): anonymity is there for everyone on the internet
  171. [7:57:32 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): it's not something you have to search out
  172. [7:58:50 AM] I'm a Bear?: trolls are scumbags imo, plain and simple
  173. [7:59:18 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): well that's far from the original point but whatever
  174. [7:59:38 AM] Seán (InnerSenses): \o/
  175. [7:59:50 AM] I'm a Bear?: just little kids with issues that need to make themselves feel better talking down to strangers
  176. [8:00:01 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): gotta love those generalizations
  177. [8:01:05 AM] I'm a Bear?: i see my sister and her friends everyday and just wanna headbutt a brick wall
  178. [8:01:18 AM] I'm a Bear?: the facebook generation
  179. [8:01:30 AM] I'm a Bear?: the inability to converse with real world people
  180. [8:02:00 AM] I'm a Bear?: these are the things that have rendered these kids with the inability to know how to act sensible
  181. [8:02:10 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): ok I'm cool with a discussion change
  182. [8:02:21 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): different people have different opinions on what is sensible for one
  183. [8:02:27 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): although I agree that there are lots of kids with no social skills
  184. [8:02:40 AM] I'm a Bear?: yeah, rock band community...
  185. [8:02:41 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): that don't even bother trying cause they can have pseudo relationships on the  internet
  186. [8:02:45 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): lol
  187. [8:02:59 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): the community you're a part of :^)
  188. [8:03:12 AM] I'm a Bear?: im above the community obv
  189. [8:03:21 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): oh of course
  190. [8:03:26 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): you're just so much better than everyone else
  191. [8:03:39 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yet you still spend your time here, on a fucking team
  192. [8:03:51 AM] I'm a Bear?: lol
  193. [8:04:08 AM] I'm a Bear?: a team that ive led from the beginning almost
  194. [8:04:27 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): and how does that relate to you being above the people you play with? (think)
  195. [8:04:53 AM] I'm a Bear?: the people on this team are some of the select few that dont have brain disorders
  196. [8:05:06 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): hooray more generalizations
  197. [8:05:06 AM] Jackson (kingyami): wtf
  198. [8:06:18 AM] I'm a Bear?: now i see why you and isaac got along
  199. [8:06:26 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): oh here comes the low blow
  200. [8:06:29 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): lay it on me big fellow
  201. [8:06:34 AM] I'm a Bear?: not a low blow
  202. [8:06:41 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): considering your opinion of him
  203. [8:06:48 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I'd consider whatever reasoning you have to be it
  204. [8:07:15 AM] I'm a Bear?: i thought he was a great player, one of the best, we gave him as many chances to move past his shit as we possibly could
  205. [8:07:23 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah I know
  206. [8:07:32 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): but he's stupid and highly suggestable
  207. [8:07:47 AM] I'm a Bear?: then took the advice of a juvenile delinquent from the uk and glory hound from canada
  208. [8:07:51 AM] I'm a Bear?: what can you do?
  209. [8:08:05 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): Well it didn't matter cause he was planning on quitting regardless
  210. [8:08:21 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I asked if he'd stick around if I could somehow convince you to let us FBFC with him still, but keep him out of the chat
  211. [8:08:22 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): he said no
  212. [8:08:38 AM] I'm a Bear?: of course he was
  213. [8:08:44 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): so I hold no blame on anyone for him being gone but himself
  214. [8:08:52 AM] I'm a Bear?: knee jerk reaction if i ever seen one
  215. [8:09:02 AM] I'm a Bear?: either way, he had his moments
  216. [8:09:42 AM] I'm a Bear?: he was never gonna win me over with the shit that he did, because i just flat out dislike it
  217. [8:10:03 AM] I'm a Bear?: ive spent the last 6 years with sister and a cuntish attitude problem
  218. [8:10:10 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): I don't think he cared about winning you over
  219. [8:10:30 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): he figured his talent would let him just coast on by (worry)
  220. [8:10:42 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): and it did right up until he felt like leaving
  221. [8:10:51 AM] I'm a Bear?: yeah, good attitude that one
  222. [8:12:17 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): but regardless, you still haven't mentioned whatever made you "see why we got along"
  223. [8:13:57 AM] I'm a Bear?: dont know when to quit
  224. [8:14:17 AM] Ben: oh snap
  225. [8:14:18 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): when to quit what
  226. [8:14:23 AM] Ben: arguement continues
  227. [8:14:39 AM] I'm a Bear?: alright one more example
  228. [8:15:04 AM] I'm a Bear?: so people got banned on gears for using a second profile glitch to max their ranks
  229. [8:15:15 AM] I'm a Bear?: everybody had access to doing it pretty much
  230. [8:15:25 AM] I'm a Bear?: it was legitimate method as you might say
  231. [8:15:35 AM] I'm a Bear?: yet epic felt the need to punish them
  232. [8:15:46 AM] I'm a Bear?: in most cases their profile got banned
  233. [8:15:56 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): ok
  234. [8:16:01 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): does HMX ban people for vox scores?
  235. [8:16:05 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): how about microsoft?
  236. [8:16:34 AM] I'm a Bear?: that irrelevant
  237. [8:16:43 AM] I'm a Bear?: its an exploit
  238. [8:17:18 AM] I'm a Bear?: they also have no real way of proving it beyond a reasonable doubt either
  239. [8:17:41 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): ok so Epic took a stance on this one glitch
  240. [8:17:43 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): not like they had to
  241. [8:17:55 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): personally, I draw the line at modding
  242. [8:17:58 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): cause that takes the fairness out of it
  243. [8:18:10 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): anything that anyone can use, is fair game
  244. [8:18:21 AM] I'm a Bear?: then you have double standards :/
  245. [8:18:29 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): nah
  246. [8:18:37 AM] I'm a Bear?: yeah
  247. [8:18:38 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): cause nothing I've claimed wasn't cheating
  248. [8:18:42 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): couldn't be used by everybody
  249. [8:18:47 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): out of the box
  250. [8:19:01 AM] I'm a Bear?: :O
  251. [8:19:42 AM] I'm a Bear?: would you consider glitching your rank on a game modding?
  252. [8:19:48 AM] Ben: hmm well anyone who thinks pausing on guitar is ok we probably wont convince
  253. [8:19:59 AM] No, it's too big: lol
  254. [8:20:07 AM] I'm a Bear?: im not trying to convince him of anything
  255. [8:20:18 AM] I'm a Bear?: im boggled by these words though
  256. [8:20:23 AM] I'm a Bear?: [8:18 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny):
  257.  
  258. <<< cause that takes the fairness out of it
  259. anything that anyone can use, is fair game
  260. [8:20:33 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah
  261. [8:20:44 AM] I'm a Bear?: anybody can mod
  262. [8:20:49 AM] Ben: contradictory much
  263. [8:20:50 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): it's all accessible without extreme measures like console modding
  264. [8:20:54 AM] I'm a Bear?: its not overly hard at all
  265. [8:20:59 AM] I'm a Bear?: most of the time all you need is a usb stick
  266. [8:21:39 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): well that's different because you manipulate the game using outside tools
  267. [8:21:52 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): the things I'm defending require no outside tools and are all readily available to use by anyone
  268. [8:22:03 AM] Ben: but anyone can use it so wouldnt it be fair?
  269. [8:22:07 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): yeah
  270. [8:22:08 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): it is
  271. [8:22:14 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): bear only quoted part of what I said up there
  272. [8:22:28 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): [8:17 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny):
  273.  
  274. <<< personally, I draw the line at modding
  275. cause that takes the fairness out of it
  276. anything that anyone can use, is fair game
  277. [8:22:40 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): note the part about taking the fairness out of it addresses modding
  278. [8:24:09 AM] I'm a Bear?: well, as much fun as this is, i am heading to bed, its been a riot, hopefully we can continue this at a later date
  279. [8:24:22 AM] Nick (BongOfDestiny): if you want
  280. Kibitzer
  281. No, it's too big
  282. I'm a Bear?
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