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Mod capcode restrictions

a guest May 20th, 2015 246 Never
  1. Mod capcode restrictions
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  3. [10:06:06] <ALTERNATIVE> who thinks I acted too harshly on axism
  4. [10:07:08] <CuChulainnPhone> Might have been a knee-jerk reaction
  5. [10:07:20] <DOTDOTDOT> yeah you did
  6. [10:07:43] *** ALTERNATIVE sets mode: -b *!*@leftist.think.tank
  7. [10:07:46] <DOTDOTDOT> all he said was im not going to go out of my way to copy paste these links into irc cause
  8. [10:08:01] <DOTDOTDOT> im not a /pol/ janitor blabla
  9. [10:08:12] <ALTERNATIVE> fair enough
  10. [10:08:24] <Kobayashi> Alternative has raised good points too, regardless if he's given the ban harshly or not
  11. [10:09:16] <ALTERNATIVE> I've apologised
  12. [10:10:51] <CuChulainnPhone> It seems like it might be a part of a larger issue felt by differing opinions on amount of transparency between staff and users. This is further spread by any miscommunication between the staff themselves.
  13. [10:11:12] <ALTERNATIVE> nobody can post capcoded except for moot
  14. [10:11:16] *** Joins: JustPX (~chatzilla@F4437411.302A4294.E2EDD4FE.IP)
  15. [10:11:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v JustPX
  16. [10:11:36] <Kobayashi> capcoded..?
  17. [10:11:41] <FnFyZpXv> with the mod name
  18. [10:11:41] <ALTERNATIVE> ## Moderator
  19. [10:11:44] <CuChulainnPhone> From this point on? For any reason?
  20. [10:11:47] <Kobayashi> #newfagquestions
  21. [10:11:49] <ALTERNATIVE> from a while ago
  22. [10:13:00] <CuChulainnPhone> It seems we have a stance on staff to user communication decided then
  23. [10:13:59] <BearKnife> was a reason given for that decision?
  24. [10:14:09] <BearKnife> just coming in, but I'm kind of curious
  25. [10:14:20] <ALTERNATIVE> I realise I'm spilling the beans here on an issue nobody was made aware of
  26. [10:14:29] <ALTERNATIVE> I'm not about to speak for moot
  27. [10:14:40] <ALTERNATIVE> he has his reasons to remove features from moderators and has on other occations
  28. [10:14:56] <CuChulainnPhone> I wonder if a post in /j/ may be helpful in letting everyone be aware, those not in irc currently.
  29. [10:15:05] *** Joins: Axism (~Axism@leftist.think.tank)
  30. [10:15:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Axism
  31. [10:15:13] <ALTERNATIVE> I don't even know if it was supposed to be a secret or not, if it was, sorry.
  32. [10:15:19] <BearKnife> I'm guessing it's because mods post, then people take that post as authority on par with moot
  33. [10:15:29] <BearKnife> and use that to fuel shitposting or whatever
  34. [10:16:56] <ALTERNATIVE> like I said before, I don't agree with everything that gets decided
  35. [10:17:03] <ALTERNATIVE> capcodes were useful and harmful
  36. [10:17:15] <CuChulainnPhone> I personally see this as a negative, if simply because moot can't be everywhere. I'm of the opinion for more information to the users .
  37. [10:17:39] <CuChulainnPhone> So this seems a step back to me
  38. [10:17:47] <ALTERNATIVE> it's not new at this point
  39. [10:17:51] <Axism> dave can I get a warning for resposting on here https://boards.4chan.org/gd/thread/182299/thoughts-on-this-logo-for-theft-recovery-software
  40. [10:18:03] <Kobayashi> If Mod-posts would be a bit more frequent, they'd give users the idea and feeling that they're watching.
  41. [10:18:05] <Axism> Already has a thread for this logo of his
  42. [10:18:17] <Kobayashi> Some of the mentality of "Mods are asleep or don't care" would wash away
  43. [10:18:29] <Kobayashi> but then again, shitposting about specific mod posts would increase exponentially
  44. [10:18:34] <trout-senpai> /jp/ knows exactly when meido wakes up
  45. [10:18:37] <ALTERNATIVE> I didn't mean to open this up to debate
  46. [10:18:40] <ALTERNATIVE> I'm just telling you how it is
  47. [10:18:45] <Kobayashi> It's always going to be a double edged sword
  48. [10:18:45] <ALTERNATIVE> things change all the time, it may change back
  49. [10:18:48] <ALTERNATIVE> but it's up to moot
  50. [10:19:02] <BearKnife> just because you say how it is doesn't mean we can't give input on how we feel it ought to be
  51. [10:19:02] <Kobayashi> We're not really debating, at least, I don't think we are
  52. [10:19:08] <Kobayashi> I'm just sharing my thoughts
  53. [10:19:26] <Kobayashi> Moot is the Law.
  54. [10:19:27] <BearKnife> I get that we're bottom of the totem pole and effectively don't matter in the grand scheme of things
  55. [10:19:41] <BearKnife> but we at least like FEELING like our input's being heard
  56. [10:19:42] <ALTERNATIVE> I'm not trying to make you feel bad!
  57. [10:20:05] <CuChulainnPhone> Thank you for sharing this. I find it good to know at least.
  58. [10:20:11] <Kobayashi> We're street Judges, BearKnife
  59. [10:20:12] <ALTERNATIVE> you're always a good source of input with regards to policy and shit like that
  60. [10:20:18] <ALTERNATIVE> your opinions DO matter
  61. [10:20:22] <ALTERNATIVE> you're users of the boards you janitor
  62. [10:20:41] <ALTERNATIVE> but we could stay up all night lamenting the loss of features you've never even heard of
  63. [10:20:44] <BearKnife> I'm not saying you are. But it's hard not to feel bad knowing that it falls on deaf ears 95% of the time
  64. [10:21:07] <DOTDOTDOT> mods are better informed of goings on on boards, much more than moot is
  65. [10:21:18] <DOTDOTDOT> so i dont see why he's the only one who can capcode
  66. [10:21:27] <BearKnife> It's not even the "loss of features" so much as what they represent
  67. [10:21:46] <BearKnife> mod distrust and disapproval is at what I'd consider an all time high
  68. [10:21:52] <BearKnife> even before Gamergate and shit went down
  69. [10:21:57] <ALTERNATIVE> what I'm saying is don't worry about trying to change this
  70. [10:22:00] <FnFyZpXv> DOT, it's probably to not push things even further down the line of shit
  71. [10:22:04] <ALTERNATIVE> there's nobody that really disagrees with you
  72. [10:22:09] <ALTERNATIVE> and it's an ongoing discussion
  73. [10:22:24] <CuChulainnPhone> Where?
  74. [10:22:40] <ALTERNATIVE> where what
  75. [10:22:41] <Kobayashi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyuwg2mWbJs
  76. [10:22:53] <BearKnife> sekrit klub for mods
  77. [10:23:15] <CuChulainnPhone> Since this is the first we've heard of it, I'm asking how to join the discussion
  78. [10:23:39] <Kobayashi> It's probably a mod + supermod chat only
  79. [10:23:41] <BearKnife> We are in the discussion now, and our input gets discussed between the mods and managers and moot
  80. [10:23:55] <BearKnife> in a separate chat
  81. [10:24:08] <ALTERNATIVE> it's not a stretch to assume that the majority of folks would like cap'd posts to return
  82. [10:24:11] <BearKnife> or at least in a similar fashion
  83. [10:24:27] <ALTERNATIVE> I'm not trying to put you down or hurt your feelings here
  84. [10:24:50] <ALTERNATIVE> but features for moderators are not really part of the discussion for this channel
  85. [10:25:06] <ALTERNATIVE> I felt it necessary to let you know what's stopping us from cap'n posts
  86. [10:25:21] <ALTERNATIVE> I share your concerns, I really do
  87. [10:25:38] <BearKnife> like I said, it's not really about features for mods, we're more bothered about the sentiment and policies behind them
  88. [10:25:58] <BearKnife> everyone's getting left in the dark or at least feels like they are
  89. [10:26:29] <BearKnife> and it's causing unrest, both on the boards and among janitors
  90. [10:27:41] <ALTERNATIVE> are you still talking about capcodes?
  91. [10:28:09] <CuChulainnPhone> More the issue of transparency at large
  92. [10:28:21] <ALTERNATIVE> there's going to be a degree of disconnect between janitors and moderators
  93. [10:28:51] <JustPX> If you're looking for a comparison on transparency, 420chan's policy is the opposite to ours
  94. [10:29:19] <JustPX> you know exactly which mod banned you, the mods post with trips on some boards, and you can talk to them about your ban on irc
  95. [10:29:41] <Kobayashi> How is that working out for them?
  96. [10:29:53] <Kobayashi> I'm genuinely curious as I am a straight edge individual and drugs trigger me.
  97. [10:29:56] <ALTERNATIVE> The things I can think of that are secret from janitors are all PIN stuff
  98. [10:30:04] <ALTERNATIVE> we dont share user IPs with you
  99. [10:30:13] <JustPX> it brings different kinds of issues, like users thinking specific mods are shit, feeling like some mods have it out for them, and such
  100. [10:30:17] <ALTERNATIVE> and I mean PII?
  101. [10:30:18] <ALTERNATIVE> PID?
  102. [10:30:24] <ALTERNATIVE> personally identifiable information
  103. [10:30:39] <BearKnife> and nobody's saying otherwise. What seems to be the issue, at least to me, is that people end up in the dark on all ends. Users don't get why things are being deleted or banned, Janitors don't get why policies change at the drop of a hat, etc.
  104. [10:32:03] <ALTERNATIVE> JustPX: one of the main reasons we don't do IRC help anymore is because those mods were singled out as the people behind imagined slights
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