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  1. [03/11/2015 13:44:53] *** gobbins would like to add you on Skype
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  3. Hi Sapporo Jones, I'd like to add you as a contact. ***
  4. [03/11/2015 15:08:35] *** Sapporo Jones has shared contact details with gobbins. ***
  5. [03/11/2015 15:08:57] Sapporo Jones: my keyboad died earlier and i am using a temp until tomororw
  6. [03/11/2015 15:09:05] Sapporo Jones: sorry for the delay and spelling errors
  7. [03/11/2015 15:09:09] Sapporo Jones: this keyboard is awful
  8. [03/11/2015 15:15:39] gobbins: God bless
  9. [03/11/2015 15:15:59] Sapporo Jones: yes may the lord bless you and keep you
  10. [03/11/2015 15:16:24] gobbins: DHD sang me the take of a CR showdown
  11. [03/11/2015 15:16:35] Sapporo Jones: so here's the plan
  12. [03/11/2015 15:16:37] Sapporo Jones: actually
  13. [03/11/2015 15:16:40] Sapporo Jones: can you mambles?
  14. [03/11/2015 15:16:47] Sapporo Jones: cause I am on a temp keyboard and this thing sucks
  15. [03/11/2015 15:16:50] gobbins: I just went to work
  16. [03/11/2015 15:16:54] Sapporo Jones: crap
  17. [03/11/2015 15:16:55] Sapporo Jones: ok
  18. [03/11/2015 15:16:58] Sapporo Jones: nbd
  19. [03/11/2015 15:17:01] Sapporo Jones: so
  20. [03/11/2015 15:17:12] gobbins: Type slowly and we can talk tomorrow if u want
  21. [03/11/2015 15:17:13] Sapporo Jones: we are planning a fountain war reunion tour
  22. [03/11/2015 15:17:42] Sapporo Jones: what we want to do is to basically reform N3ST and fight cfc over cloud ring
  23. [03/11/2015 15:18:10] Sapporo Jones: cfc will announce tomorrow, is my understanding, that the reunion war is content ring based and will take place the 12th through the 15th
  24. [03/11/2015 15:18:20] Sapporo Jones: we will be fighting over tcus in cloud ring
  25. [03/11/2015 15:18:31] Sapporo Jones: possible ihubs depending but I would rather keep it to tcus
  26. [03/11/2015 15:18:36] Sapporo Jones: and just do a big push
  27. [03/11/2015 15:19:01] Sapporo Jones: on our side will be just like it was, test/pl/n3(whats left)/horde
  28. [03/11/2015 15:19:12] Sapporo Jones: and on their side will of course be cfc
  29. [03/11/2015 15:19:37] Sapporo Jones: it's a shadoo style wargame for control of content ring
  30. [03/11/2015 15:19:43] Sapporo Jones: a fountain war reunion tour
  31. [03/11/2015 15:20:29] Sapporo Jones: with any luck it will attract attention to the new book
  32. [03/11/2015 15:20:30] Sapporo Jones: but
  33. [03/11/2015 15:20:56] Sapporo Jones: even if it doesnt it is an interesting experiment given where all of ys are at now relative to where we were at during the fountain war
  34. [03/11/2015 15:21:35] Sapporo Jones: my uinderstanding is that durr talked to you about us moving out there in preperation for this
  35. [03/11/2015 15:21:43] Sapporo Jones: again sorry about the keyboard and potential errors
  36. [03/11/2015 15:21:56] Sapporo Jones: but that we want to deploy the alliance prior to the start date
  37. [03/11/2015 15:22:11] Sapporo Jones: and get anyone and everyone we can ready and in place prior to the 12th
  38. [03/11/2015 15:22:28] gobbins: I heard it from durr first and that was after I contacted him about wh s
  39. [03/11/2015 15:22:36] Sapporo Jones: ah
  40. [03/11/2015 15:22:51] gobbins: Are you sure the rest of the players are down with this?
  41. [03/11/2015 15:23:21] gobbins: PL just left and I very much doubt they are interested in coming back given how badly they cried
  42. [03/11/2015 15:23:50] gobbins: Like who made this plan so far
  43. [03/11/2015 15:23:54] Sapporo Jones: I'm not. mittens said he would talk to vince, I plan to talk to some ncdotte dudes irl tomorrow about it and have them talk to vince
  44. [03/11/2015 15:24:00] Sapporo Jones: well
  45. [03/11/2015 15:24:18] Sapporo Jones: mittens is planning to talk to grath and elise from the pl side, and vince if he can
  46. [03/11/2015 15:24:32] Sapporo Jones: if he can't I am getting ahold of every ncdotte i can to talk to ncdotte leadership
  47. [03/11/2015 15:24:38] Sapporo Jones: and get the reunion band back together
  48. [03/11/2015 15:25:39] Sapporo Jones: topmorrow I am meeting with some evol dudes irl to get the ball rolling
  49. [03/11/2015 15:25:45] Sapporo Jones: cause I can't reach ncdotte nerds in game
  50. [03/11/2015 15:25:49] Sapporo Jones: vOv
  51. [03/11/2015 15:26:25] gobbins: He really wants to sell that book direct he holy shiy
  52. [03/11/2015 15:26:35] Sapporo Jones: I do too
  53. [03/11/2015 15:26:40] Sapporo Jones: if we do it right
  54. [03/11/2015 15:26:45] Sapporo Jones: it can actually draw people to this game
  55. [03/11/2015 15:26:55] Sapporo Jones: in ways that spaceship slap fight youtube videos cant
  56. [03/11/2015 15:27:05] Sapporo Jones: but even if you take the book out of it
  57. [03/11/2015 15:27:06] gobbins: Yes and money to pockets sapporo
  58. [03/11/2015 15:27:11] gobbins: Not my pockets though
  59. [03/11/2015 15:27:13] Sapporo Jones: a 2015 version of the fountain war
  60. [03/11/2015 15:27:19] Sapporo Jones: in cloud ring
  61. [03/11/2015 15:27:22] Sapporo Jones: sounds dank as hell
  62. [03/11/2015 15:27:39] Sapporo Jones: no I mean
  63. [03/11/2015 15:27:44] Sapporo Jones: I don't profit off htis
  64. [03/11/2015 15:27:56] Sapporo Jones: but it has potential to attract new players to the game
  65. [03/11/2015 15:27:59] Sapporo Jones: and we need that in the game
  66. [03/11/2015 15:28:07] Sapporo Jones: well
  67. [03/11/2015 15:28:27] Sapporo Jones: new players that go to horde or karma or dreddit and don't just attrition out in brave
  68. [03/11/2015 15:28:41] Sapporo Jones: so this kind of shit is beneficial to all of us
  69. [03/11/2015 15:28:45] Sapporo Jones: but more to the point
  70. [03/11/2015 15:29:04] Sapporo Jones: a shadoo style war game involving the fountain war players in a 2.0 version of the fountain war
  71. [03/11/2015 15:29:09] Sapporo Jones: holy fuck that's compelling as fuck
  72. [03/11/2015 15:29:23] Sapporo Jones: and nullsec is dead right now
  73. [03/11/2015 15:29:30] Sapporo Jones: there's nowhere that is exciting
  74. [03/11/2015 15:29:37] Sapporo Jones: shit's just tits as shit
  75. [03/11/2015 15:29:56] Sapporo Jones: and if we do a fountain reunion war we make real content people want to take part in
  76. [03/11/2015 15:30:08] gobbins: What y mean attrition in brave
  77. [03/11/2015 15:30:30] Sapporo Jones: I mean the problem with brave is people joining and then quitting the game
  78. [03/11/2015 15:30:37] Sapporo Jones: rather than joining and then leaving for other places
  79. [03/11/2015 15:30:54] Sapporo Jones: like 'churn' is ok for the game, attirition is not
  80. [03/11/2015 15:31:17] gobbins: I think that problem has been solved several months ago
  81. [03/11/2015 15:31:45 | Edited 15:34:07] gobbins: Brave *does not get that many new players these days
  82. [03/11/2015 15:31:50] Sapporo Jones: horde/karma/b0rt tend to churn
  83. [03/11/2015 15:31:56] Sapporo Jones: and everyone benefits from it
  84. [03/11/2015 15:32:03] Sapporo Jones: rather than players attriting out
  85. [03/11/2015 15:32:08] Sapporo Jones: and nobody benefitting
  86. [03/11/2015 15:32:50] Sapporo Jones: meh
  87. [03/11/2015 15:32:57] Sapporo Jones: brave is doing brave things
  88. [03/11/2015 15:33:08] Sapporo Jones: but we have an opportunity here to create a hell of a war game
  89. [03/11/2015 15:33:16] Sapporo Jones: and we should take it imho
  90. [03/11/2015 15:33:47] Sapporo Jones: hell I'm so committed to this that I am about to have my alliance that is still licking its wounds after all of our shit to move across the map and be a part of something big
  91. [03/11/2015 15:34:00] Sapporo Jones: I really think there is a lot of fun and potential in this wargame
  92. [03/11/2015 15:34:12] Sapporo Jones: and that it will be something we will all benefit from
  93. [03/11/2015 15:34:15] gobbins: Edited
  94. [03/11/2015 15:34:22] Sapporo Jones: ?
  95. [03/11/2015 15:36:53] Sapporo Jones: oh i see the thing about brave
  96. [03/11/2015 15:37:18] Sapporo Jones: no not now but ccp still mentions them frequently etc etc
  97. [03/11/2015 15:37:20] Sapporo Jones: anyways
  98. [03/11/2015 15:37:31] Sapporo Jones: how are you feelin about this
  99. [03/11/2015 15:38:19] gobbins: I find it very unlikely that PL will join
  100. [03/11/2015 15:38:38] Sapporo Jones: for fountain war 2.0?
  101. [03/11/2015 15:38:54] Sapporo Jones: their line members tell me they have little if anything to do right now
  102. [03/11/2015 15:38:54] gobbins: Yeh
  103. [03/11/2015 15:39:32] gobbins: Line members don't matter for shit in PL it's the fcs
  104. [03/11/2015 15:40:00] gobbins: Sapoo u realized PL deployed to cr maybe 3 weeks ago
  105. [03/11/2015 15:40:09] gobbins: And left in a hurry?
  106. [03/11/2015 15:40:26] Sapporo Jones: ?
  107. [03/11/2015 15:40:46 | Edited 15:50:38] gobbins: I'm the one who organized it and promoted the last CR deployment to the FCs
  108. [03/11/2015 15:41:00] gobbins: It lasted less than 2 weeks
  109. [03/11/2015 15:42:26] Sapporo Jones: what is pl doing right now
  110. [03/11/2015 15:44:57] gobbins: Nothing
  111. [03/11/2015 15:48:50] Sapporo Jones: fair enough
  112. [03/11/2015 15:50:48] gobbins: Man fucking auto correct
  113. [03/11/2015 15:50:55] gobbins: I edited the thing above
  114. [03/11/2015 15:52:10 | Edited 15:53:07] gobbins: Grath doesn't really play or FC ATM. If you and mittani want this to happen you need to talk to the active fcs
  115. [03/11/2015 15:52:39] gobbins: Ron mexico, kilkahbee, Farasoloni, penifsmash
  116. [03/11/2015 15:52:43] gobbins: And Elise ofc
  117. [03/11/2015 15:56:02] Sapporo Jones: yeah that makes sense
  118. [03/11/2015 15:56:22] Sapporo Jones: what if we move up there and just fight with you guys for fun shit
  119. [03/11/2015 15:56:37] gobbins: Yeah man ofc
  120. [03/11/2015 15:56:45] Sapporo Jones: ilu
  121. [03/11/2015 15:56:53] gobbins: That's what I told dhd
  122. [03/11/2015 15:57:15 | Edited 15:57:24] gobbins: Rather than setting blu and working on some kind of campaign
  123. [03/11/2015 15:58:02] Sapporo Jones: tbh I would rather set blue standings and just work with you to take horde cloud ring
  124. [03/11/2015 15:58:11] Sapporo Jones: well not seriously taking it but like fighting with you
  125. [03/11/2015 15:58:14] Sapporo Jones: to take shit there
  126. [03/11/2015 15:58:25] gobbins: There's tons of fighting in the area. In fact W-4 is the only null sec system on zkills kills per week list
  127. [03/11/2015 15:58:35] Sapporo Jones: and like lets honeydick the region
  128. [03/11/2015 15:58:44] gobbins: It's not like the old ge- but getting there slowly
  129. [03/11/2015 15:59:06] gobbins: Thing is
  130. [03/11/2015 15:59:14] gobbins: I like the region how it is
  131. [03/11/2015 15:59:26] gobbins: I'm not in a hurry to take it if at all
  132. [03/11/2015 15:59:36] gobbins: See what I mean?
  133. [03/11/2015 15:59:53] gobbins: I don't need space I need (more) content
  134. [03/11/2015 16:00:28] gobbins: But having said that we can temp blue for big brawls vs goons
  135. [03/11/2015 16:00:39] gobbins: That's what we are doing with NC and TISHU atm
  136. [03/11/2015 16:00:55] gobbins: And it's awesome
  137. [03/11/2015 16:01:54] Sapporo Jones: I mean we can temp blue that's totes cool
  138. [03/11/2015 16:02:10] Sapporo Jones: but we would rather just be blue to you and just fight things together
  139. [03/11/2015 16:02:52] Sapporo Jones: in addition without moving a titan or super up there we lack a certain level of mobility
  140. [03/11/2015 16:03:10] Sapporo Jones: but just in general
  141. [03/11/2015 16:03:19] Sapporo Jones: it would be dank as hell to be blue to you and just fight over shit together
  142. [03/11/2015 16:03:32] gobbins: OK then give me a detailed plan
  143. [03/11/2015 16:04:23] gobbins: Blu can be done but I need to know what you guys plan to do, where to stage, for how long, what doctrine u wanna fly ecc that shit
  144. [03/11/2015 16:06:39] Sapporo Jones: ok so basically we want to stage in w-4n with you. the idea is generally to spend officially a weekend but possibly longer depending on how things go staging with you and adding numbers and ships to your ops. we want to shit on the same things that you do and we want to fight the same things you do, we very likely fly similar enough doctrines that this could work fairly seemlessly and effortlessly
  145. [03/11/2015 16:07:35] Sapporo Jones: officially a weekend means getting standings set up early so we can move shit or seed shit we need early because test is fucking slow as shit to move, so the easier we can make that move the faster test is ready to go
  146. [03/11/2015 16:07:58] gobbins: For seeding do you guys have your own market duders? Cuz we're kinda stretched atm
  147. [03/11/2015 16:08:14] Sapporo Jones: yeah we would seed our own shit not a problem
  148. [03/11/2015 16:08:39] gobbins: When would you plan to move in?
  149. [03/11/2015 16:10:07] Sapporo Jones: as soon as possible
  150. [03/11/2015 16:11:08] gobbins: I'll explain this to waffles, be fr and the other horde dirs. If everyone is cool then we can do it.
  151. [03/11/2015 16:11:40] gobbins: What I anticipate though
  152. [03/11/2015 16:12:30 | Edited 16:12:48] gobbins: Is ppl asking why you don't just stage in low sec and temp blue for big fights, then later perma blue if the partnership works really well
  153. [03/11/2015 16:14:35] Sapporo Jones: I mean basically we can stage out of lowsec if it comes to it, but it seems like it would be easier for us to throw numbers at a strat op if we were staged with you and in addition we want to work more closely with you and that is more difficult to accomplish when staging apart from you
  154. [03/11/2015 16:15:53] Sapporo Jones: there is a lot to do and fight and accomplish in cloud ring, and we think that it would be better to do with you on a regular blue basis for the duration of our time in cloud ring
  155. [03/11/2015 16:17:39] gobbins: So how long you plan to deploy in CR then
  156. [03/11/2015 16:18:41] Sapporo Jones: prolly just a few weeks to start, if it lasts longer for whatever reason than thats fine but for now this seems like a 2 to 2.5 week thing
  157. [03/11/2015 16:18:48] Sapporo Jones: counting today
  158. [03/11/2015 16:22:41] gobbins: This is a strange conversation you are basically offering help we don't ask, for strat opses that don't exist
  159. [03/11/2015 16:23:12] gobbins: Horde already had the spaces it needs in cr and the rest is just good fights
  160. [03/11/2015 16:23:54] gobbins: You can enjoy all this without being blu. And I mean for your own ppl that would be better too
  161. [03/11/2015 16:23:59] gobbins: Lot more content
  162. [03/11/2015 16:24:25] gobbins: To work closely together require a lot of steps
  163. [03/11/2015 16:25:15] gobbins: Like firstly convincing the other allies to blue u, especially waffles
  164. [03/11/2015 16:25:55] gobbins: Then getting your guys on the horde comms/sub forum to see ops
  165. [03/11/2015 16:26:41 | Edited 16:26:50] gobbins: And lastly dealing with all the little issues when 2 big groups share a staging
  166. [03/11/2015 16:27:10 | Edited 16:27:24] gobbins: All of this for 2 weeks worth of deployment?
  167. [03/11/2015 16:32:30] Sapporo Jones: I'm ashamed to ask this but my keyboard died earlier tonight and I am using a really cheap replacement usb keyboard that is cancer to type on, would it be acceptable to hit you up later about this?
  168. [03/11/2015 16:36:20] gobbins: Sure m8 no worries
  169. [03/11/2015 16:36:45] Sapporo Jones: outstanding thank you very much
  170. [03/11/2015 16:37:34] gobbins: BTW before you do
  171. [03/11/2015 16:37:59] gobbins: What did you discuss with mittani so far?
  172. [03/11/2015 16:38:19] Sapporo Jones: just the concept of a shadoo style war game
  173. [03/11/2015 16:38:50] gobbins: OK did you tell him to talk to those PL guys?
  174. [03/11/2015 16:39:03] gobbins: Or is he already?
  175. [03/11/2015 16:39:28] Sapporo Jones: I did not tell him to do anything, I believe he said he may talk to them to see if they are interested in it
  176. [03/11/2015 16:39:43] gobbins: Ok rgr
  177. [03/11/2015 22:02:38] gobbins: im home if u wanna mumble
  178. [03/11/2015 22:02:49] gobbins: I guess ur sleeperino
  179. [05/11/2015 00:09:11] gobbins: are you awake?
  180. [05/11/2015 02:15:10] gobbins: buncha duders wanna move to CR and raise hell
  181. [05/11/2015 02:15:20] gobbins: we shud talk to mittani
  182. [05/11/2015 08:08:53] Sapporo Jones: ya this should be a bunch of fun
  183. [05/11/2015 08:09:05] Sapporo Jones: sounds like grath is down, I'm gonna be hitting up vince as soon as I can
  184. [05/11/2015 09:13:08] gobbins: Did you not read what I typed the other day
  185. [05/11/2015 09:13:30] Sapporo Jones: which part
  186. [05/11/2015 09:13:30] gobbins: Grath doesn't really play atm
  187. [05/11/2015 09:13:37] Sapporo Jones: sorry it's been a busy few days
  188. [05/11/2015 09:13:51] Sapporo Jones: oh ok, sorry I heard from the mittani that grath was interested in participating
  189. [05/11/2015 09:14:20] Sapporo Jones: regardless, getting the band back together for a weekend reunion should be a really fun time
  190. [05/11/2015 09:26:18] gobbins: I have a feeling neither you or the mittani understand how PL work
  191. [05/11/2015 09:26:48] gobbins: If you want my help add me to the chat with mittani and I'll see what I can do
  192. [09/11/2015 22:00:56] gobbins: are you still up for a mondo brawl in CR?
  193. [09/11/2015 22:01:10] gobbins: I wanna talk to mittani I got something which might be interesting for everyone
  194. [12/11/2015 01:36:33] gobbins: so it took some doing but I managed to get a response by elise, vince and the goon diplos
  195. [12/11/2015 01:37:15] gobbins: the first 2 didnt even know about the plan and goons didn't confirm the part abou horde
  196. [12/11/2015 01:37:48] gobbins: Neither elise or vince were contacted
  197. [12/11/2015 01:38:04] gobbins: And the stuff you meantioned about bluing horde and fighting in CR didnt check out with goons
  198. [12/11/2015 01:38:26] gobbins: So it seems you bullshitted me Sapporo, I dont really appreciate that
  199. [12/11/2015 03:19:12] Sapporo Jones: As far as I know mittens was going to announce that the State of the Union address, as far as I know Elise hasn't been contacted and neither has Vince.
  200. [12/11/2015 03:19:48] Sapporo Jones: We decided to punt a week because of the fall out 4 launch
  201. [12/11/2015 03:30:27] gobbins: And the stuff you meantioned about bluing horde and fighting in CR didnt check out with goons
  202. [12/11/2015 03:30:32] gobbins: what about this part
  203. [12/11/2015 03:39:13] gobbins: I mean you asked me to blu up test and let you guys stage in w-4. You insisted we do this even after I suggested we just stay neutral and brawl is that right or did I imagine this?
  204. [12/11/2015 03:40:16] Sapporo Jones: I absolutely did try to get you to set us blue for this and i still think it's a good idea
  205. [12/11/2015 03:40:58] Sapporo Jones: Also mittani hasn't announced yet so I don't know who in goons knows and who doesn't.
  206. [12/11/2015 03:42:53] gobbins: There's also a bunch of [NOG8S] guys sitting in w-4 all day in garmurs picking on newbeans and talking shit in local:
  207. [16:36:05] Crixik > Your mentor is either shit, or you're just a lost cause
  208. [16:36:37] Crixik > Hey Horde, he's one of you )))
  209. [16:36:42] Crixik > I hope you are proud
  210. [18:16:45] Eren Akiga > when will you transfer sov to us? apparently this is ours now.
  211. [12/11/2015 03:44:23] gobbins: Personally I dont mind but if the plan is to work together its gonna be a lot harder to sell it to the memberbase when all they see is smacktalk from test
  212. [12/11/2015 03:46:27] gobbins: im off to bed, peace
  213. [16/11/2015 14:51:40] gobbins: So lelob says you guys wanna deploy?
  214. [16/11/2015 14:51:51] gobbins: Is it the book promotion thing?
  215. [16/11/2015 14:52:19] Sapporo Jones: yeah sounds like the wargame will start this week
  216. [16/11/2015 14:52:34] Sapporo Jones: I still gotta find a campaign commander for PL and chat with vince
  217. [16/11/2015 14:52:50] Sapporo Jones: mittani was talking with laz and grath yesterday so grath may already be looking for one
  218. [16/11/2015 14:52:52] Sapporo Jones: idk yet
  219. [16/11/2015 14:55:55] Sapporo Jones: I'm not sure what date he was looking at to kick it off since we punted but I would guess thursday
  220. [16/11/2015 14:56:55] gobbins: You remember what I told u about Grath?
  221. [16/11/2015 14:57:10] Sapporo Jones: fair enough I will start poking around to find one
  222. [16/11/2015 14:57:26] Sapporo Jones: do you have any idea who would make a good point of contact or are you able to help me close with someone?
  223. [16/11/2015 14:58:33] gobbins: I mean if this brings Grath back it'd be great
  224. [16/11/2015 14:58:45] gobbins: Otherwise try penif
  225. [16/11/2015 14:59:12] Sapporo Jones: is penif on skype or should I try to contact him in game
  226. [16/11/2015 14:59:17] Sapporo Jones: and also what tz is he
  227. [16/11/2015 14:59:34] gobbins: Us
  228. [16/11/2015 14:59:42] Sapporo Jones: cool
  229. [16/11/2015 14:59:51] gobbins: Penifsmash
  230. [16/11/2015 15:00:57] Sapporo Jones: if I search for penifsmash in skype I see two
  231. [16/11/2015 15:01:00] Sapporo Jones: which one is his
  232. [16/11/2015 15:02:41] Sapporo Jones: http://i.imgur.com/bCXYW5r.png
  233. [16/11/2015 15:04:20] gobbins: The goku one
  234. [16/11/2015 15:04:30] Sapporo Jones: rgr
  235. [16/11/2015 15:19:32] gobbins: Did he respond?
  236. [16/11/2015 15:19:50] Sapporo Jones: no
  237. [16/11/2015 15:20:39] gobbins: Did u read this http://evenews24.com/2015/11/15/imperium-ordered-to-prepare-for-war/
  238. [16/11/2015 15:21:08] gobbins: It literally says 'not a wargame'
  239. [16/11/2015 15:21:43] gobbins: Are you sure mittens isn't just luring test out of your home?
  240. [16/11/2015 15:22:13] Sapporo Jones: well that's certainly not outside the realm of possibility
  241. [16/11/2015 15:22:41] gobbins: What do you make of that link
  242. [16/11/2015 15:23:23] Sapporo Jones: I can't tell if he's just trying to hype nerds up for something that he will just position as a wargame later
  243. [16/11/2015 15:23:31] Sapporo Jones: or if something changed and suddenly it's a cloud ring purge
  244. [16/11/2015 15:23:55] gobbins: When did you last speak to him
  245. [16/11/2015 15:24:10] Sapporo Jones: normally I would read that and expect the hammer coming to us but intel indicates reavers are recalling
  246. [16/11/2015 15:28:59] gobbins: So when did you last speak to him
  247. [16/11/2015 15:29:36] Sapporo Jones: saturday
  248. [16/11/2015 15:29:40] Sapporo Jones: so yesterday
  249. [16/11/2015 15:29:55] gobbins: That's odd
  250. [16/11/2015 15:30:19] gobbins: Can u link what he said to make u think he wants a wargame?
  251. [16/11/2015 15:30:32 | Edited 15:31:00] gobbins: Cuz it's very far from his announcement
  252. [16/11/2015 15:34:36] Sapporo Jones: [11/14/2015 3:06:26 PM] TheMittani: Hey dude, any ideas about the Reunion War concept? Grath and Laz suggested we consider some fun restrictions in terms of doctrines etc so it's not just another t3 shitshow
  253. [11/14/2015 3:36:37 PM] Sapporo Jones: that's a really kick ass idea actually I hadn't even considered
  254. [11/14/2015 3:37:00 PM] Sapporo Jones: yeah keeping it to fun stuff will really get people hype about it not being just an ever evolving escalation
  255. [11/14/2015 4:26:39 PM] TheMittani: Have any ideas about ground rules? We can announce it tomorrow or something but sort out rules/find participants over the week, initial idea is just to see who can capture the most of CR starting from zilch by the end of X period
  256. [12:12:44 AM] Sapporo Jones: we would really prefer to not have to fight supercapitals, but to be fair PL may want to bring supercapitals so we respectfully defer to the wider group of participants
  257. [12:13:22 AM] Sapporo Jones: other than that we see nothing to try to "ban" from the wargame
  258. [12:14:22 AM] Sapporo Jones: sorry for the late reply, was watching the debate with nerds, and compiling and responding to hc nerds with ideas for bans that were dumb
  259. [12:14:35 AM] Sapporo Jones: well and drinking fits in there somewhere
  260. [16/11/2015 15:35:47] Sapporo Jones: so prolly agitprop to get them spun up about what they plan to do after the shindig
  261. [16/11/2015 15:36:02] gobbins: He seemed honest, was there more?
  262. [16/11/2015 15:37:06] Sapporo Jones: that was the entire conversation we had yesterday
  263. [16/11/2015 15:37:15] Sapporo Jones: like I said I think he was talking to laz and grath at the same time
  264. [16/11/2015 15:38:35] gobbins: Cool then could you ask him what's up with the ping and why his announcement says not a wargame?
  265. [16/11/2015 15:49:32] gobbins: Sappo?
  266. [17/11/2015 07:38:37] gobbins: sapppooo
  267. [17/11/2015 07:38:40] gobbins: did u ask mittens?
  268. [17/11/2015 07:41:01] Sapporo Jones: no I'll ask but I'm sure the answer will be the same that it's a wargame
  269. [17/11/2015 07:41:17] Sapporo Jones: I hit up ron mexxxico last night and am waiting to hear back from him in getting a campaign commander setup
  270. [17/11/2015 07:41:17] gobbins: yeah plz ask him cuz this is contradicting
  271. [17/11/2015 07:41:30] Sapporo Jones: also am chatting up vince draken to see about getting ncdotte involved
  272. [17/11/2015 07:41:40] gobbins: did u talk to penif? I spoke to penif and he seemed down
  273. [17/11/2015 07:41:42] Sapporo Jones: my understanding is their line aren't thrilled about the geminate thing
  274. [17/11/2015 07:41:50] Sapporo Jones: yeah he hit me up early this morning but I was asleep
  275. [17/11/2015 07:41:51] gobbins: geminate ?
  276. [17/11/2015 07:41:55] gobbins: kk
  277. [17/11/2015 07:42:00] Sapporo Jones: yeah ncdotte is moving to geminate last I heard
  278. [17/11/2015 07:42:11] Sapporo Jones: most of their nerds are unhappy about it
  279. [17/11/2015 07:42:21] Sapporo Jones: we have a bunch of dudes in test with dual citizenship
  280. [17/11/2015 07:42:48] Sapporo Jones: so hopefully I can jump in and get them involved before they get too far involved in their plans
  281. [17/11/2015 07:43:04] Sapporo Jones: aside from PL and NCdotte can you think of anyone I should chat up to get involved or anyone you would like to see involved?
  282. [17/11/2015 07:44:22] gobbins: brb 5 mins sry
  283. [17/11/2015 07:44:28] Sapporo Jones: ya no worries
  284. [17/11/2015 07:58:27] gobbins: ok im back
  285. [17/11/2015 07:58:58] gobbins: I have some ideas but first I wanna know the people arent just getting trolled lol
  286. [17/11/2015 07:59:11] Sapporo Jones: honestly, it's a coin flip
  287. [17/11/2015 07:59:24] Sapporo Jones: I don't know if mittani would tell me if this was all a ruse
  288. [17/11/2015 07:59:33] Sapporo Jones: he and I don't know each other well enough
  289. [17/11/2015 07:59:46] Sapporo Jones: all I know is it sounds like he wants to position this to help the kickstarter and do a fun thing
  290. [17/11/2015 07:59:51] Sapporo Jones: but the kickstarter ain't doing well
  291. [17/11/2015 07:59:56] Sapporo Jones: so it could be a ruse idk
  292. [17/11/2015 08:00:05] Sapporo Jones: on the offchance that it's a ruse, I'm reaching out to FUCKING EVERYONE
  293. [17/11/2015 08:00:09] Sapporo Jones: in defense of cloud ring
  294. [17/11/2015 08:02:00] gobbins: all I am saying is
  295. [17/11/2015 08:02:12] gobbins: I would really appreciate if before I try to ask in favors to bring people in
  296. [17/11/2015 08:02:25] gobbins: you confront Mittani about the disparity between what he is telling you
  297. [17/11/2015 08:02:35] gobbins: and the loud announcement to his 40k coalition
  298. [17/11/2015 08:02:52] gobbins: can you do that please? I would imagine mittani is awake at this time
  299. [17/11/2015 08:04:52] Sapporo Jones: sure thing
  300. [17/11/2015 08:05:12] Sapporo Jones: though, to be fair, I'm a bring an umbrella and hope for sun type of guy
  301. [17/11/2015 08:05:28] Sapporo Jones: so I am just gonna prepare and do THE FULL MONTOLIO and hit up FUCKING EVERYONE to dog pile in on our side
  302. [17/11/2015 08:05:45] Sapporo Jones: regardless of the answer we are gonna need all the dudes to pull this off
  303. [17/11/2015 08:07:13] gobbins: I agree
  304. [17/11/2015 08:08:36] gobbins: while at it, if mittani isnt responding could you ask Laz opinion as well since he is normally a less manipulative fella?
  305. [17/11/2015 08:15:19] gobbins: any luck?
  306. [17/11/2015 08:32:28] gobbins: I gotta go to work soon did you get an answer from anyone? incl PL/NC ecc
  307. [17/11/2015 08:56:23] Sapporo Jones: I rounded up a PL campaign commander, still waiting on word from vince
  308. [17/11/2015 08:56:45] Sapporo Jones: heard back from the mittani, it sounds like the wargame is off and cloud ring is a real target now
  309. [17/11/2015 08:58:03] gobbins: nice! who is the PL campaign cmdr?
  310. [17/11/2015 08:58:48] Sapporo Jones: penifSMASH
  311. [17/11/2015 08:59:21] Sapporo Jones: my understanding from test intel is that the CFC staged supers last night somewhere nearby cloud ring in preperation to attempt to glass the region for reals
  312. [17/11/2015 09:00:55] gobbins: so the wargame is off right?
  313. [17/11/2015 09:01:00] Sapporo Jones: sounds like it yes
  314. [17/11/2015 09:01:05] gobbins: then what is the point of talking to penif?
  315. [17/11/2015 09:01:10] Sapporo Jones: I haven't
  316. [17/11/2015 09:01:21] Sapporo Jones: I got him rounded up as a campaign commander before I found out that the game was off
  317. [17/11/2015 09:01:50] gobbins: what made him change his mind?
  318. [17/11/2015 09:02:01] gobbins: has he given up on the kickstarter thing?
  319. [17/11/2015 09:07:53] Sapporo Jones: I honestly don't know but I have my suspicions that the CR thing has to do with rumors of people he heard you may be working with, and the lowsec thing I hear a rumor is about TISHU
  320. [17/11/2015 09:08:00] Sapporo Jones: I'll keep digging in to things
  321. [17/11/2015 09:08:21] gobbins: is he that butthurt about the kickstarter?
  322. [17/11/2015 09:08:49] gobbins: I mean dirty dan's posting
  323. [17/11/2015 09:08:53] Sapporo Jones: I don't think it's about the kickstarter, I think it's more to do with how people acted when they decided not to support it. but again, I don't honestly know this is just what we suspect
  324. [17/11/2015 09:26:24] gobbins: what about test, still planning to move down?
  325. [17/11/2015 12:01:03] Sapporo Jones: no, we wouldn't get numbers, and I don't think we would be able to provide adequate assistance in the manner that your other allies would be able to
  326. [17/11/2015 12:08:22 | Edited 12:08:31] gobbins: How so? I thought you wanted to be a part of this coalition?
  327. [17/11/2015 12:13:42] Sapporo Jones: for a war game yes, but against the cfc in full on sledgehammer mode there isn't much we can offer you
  328. [17/11/2015 12:19:06] gobbins: Everything helps. Is this conversation opsec sappo?
  329. [17/11/2015 12:19:20] Sapporo Jones: yessir
  330. [17/11/2015 12:20:15] gobbins: What if I told you there is a large coalition forming to shut down goons in CR and push them back?
  331. [17/11/2015 12:21:22] Sapporo Jones: I feel like you would need to push them back beyond cr and either install allies in the buffer space or have diplomatic agreements with the cfc to hold the space if you got that far. not to say you can't do it, if PL commits to it in full and gets allies it's possible, it just seems like without a full commit from power blocs it's a tough thing to do
  332. [17/11/2015 12:21:36] Sapporo Jones: like it looks like CR is practically bordered on all sides by cfc
  333. [17/11/2015 12:21:37] Sapporo Jones: or it's allies
  334. [17/11/2015 12:22:05] Sapporo Jones: so I would think you would need buffer space between you two in order to hold it for longer term, and agreements in place to sustain
  335. [17/11/2015 12:22:26] Sapporo Jones: or this would need to be the military offensive where everyone galvanizes finally and pushes the CFC out of everything entirely
  336. [17/11/2015 12:22:31] Sapporo Jones: which
  337. [17/11/2015 12:22:33] Sapporo Jones: tbh
  338. [17/11/2015 12:22:45] Sapporo Jones: if you have full pl support in such an engagement sounds entertaining as fuck
  339. [17/11/2015 12:22:59] Sapporo Jones: but that is not going to be an easy war, especially with the ihub changes
  340. [17/11/2015 12:23:13] gobbins: What changes
  341. [17/11/2015 12:23:26] Sapporo Jones: being able to offline/online ihub upgrades at will
  342. [17/11/2015 12:23:44] gobbins: How's that a big deal?
  343. [17/11/2015 12:23:50] Sapporo Jones: the cfc used to do wartime/peacetime ihub packages in space and would just swap onlined ihubs as needed
  344. [17/11/2015 12:24:03] Sapporo Jones: well it significantly reduces the maintenance cost of sov until you need it to do something that costs
  345. [17/11/2015 12:24:20] Sapporo Jones: and enables them to rapidly change the purpose of specific systems at will
  346. [17/11/2015 12:24:42] gobbins: CFC is hardly strapped for cash
  347. [17/11/2015 12:25:00] Sapporo Jones: I don't think they have as much as we all like to think, but I also don't think they are poor sure
  348. [17/11/2015 12:25:12] Sapporo Jones: war is expensive, and cfc doesn't fly cheap shit
  349. [17/11/2015 12:25:18] Sapporo Jones: they also do a ton of srp
  350. [17/11/2015 12:25:29] Sapporo Jones: so a sustained engagement is really costly
  351. [17/11/2015 12:26:09] gobbins: Nobody is gonna like it if we start this and then test bandwagons in after its already rolling
  352. [17/11/2015 12:26:41] gobbins: Is not like you have to commit caps but even some small fleets help
  353. [17/11/2015 12:27:25] Sapporo Jones: I mean for us it is more about how invested the rest of the team is. we have to come in from across the map and import stuff to make it work for us, that's not a huge ask but it's an effort that we don't want to undertake unless there is real commitment involved
  354. [17/11/2015 12:27:43] Sapporo Jones: the last campaign I saw against the cfc was ncdotte in fountain and it didn't go super great
  355. [17/11/2015 12:27:53] Sapporo Jones: but they didn't fully commit to it, nor did their allies
  356. [17/11/2015 12:28:20] Sapporo Jones: if a group like PL and/or NC actually fully commit to such an engagement that's a much different picture than just poking at random sov nobody cares about
  357. [17/11/2015 12:28:57] gobbins: Alright I understand
  358. [17/11/2015 12:29:13] gobbins: There's another way you can help tho
  359. [17/11/2015 12:29:38] gobbins: We'd like to understand mittanis motives
  360. [17/11/2015 12:30:35] gobbins: Could you link me the convo you had with him about this no longer being a wargame?
  361. [17/11/2015 12:35:49] Sapporo Jones: all he says in that conversation is that the wargame is temporarily off and he's gonna go for cr
  362. [17/11/2015 12:35:57] Sapporo Jones: there's nothing there about motives
  363. [17/11/2015 12:38:27] Sapporo Jones: I can't ethically give you the rest of the logs because most of it is just chat between execs
  364. [17/11/2015 12:38:35] gobbins: If it doesn't say anything else why not link it
  365. [17/11/2015 12:38:39] Sapporo Jones: and there's nothing in there really relevant to this situation
  366. [17/11/2015 12:38:49] Sapporo Jones: because it's exec to exec chat
  367. [17/11/2015 12:39:22] gobbins: Fair enough
  368. [17/11/2015 12:39:38] Sapporo Jones: like I wouldn't give him the full logs of this conversation either
  369. [17/11/2015 12:39:44] Sapporo Jones: I believe in executor confidentiality
  370. [17/11/2015 12:39:48] Sapporo Jones: and diplomatic privilege
  371. [17/11/2015 12:39:52] gobbins: So you don't wanna help with numbers unless we are already winning
  372. [17/11/2015 12:40:01] gobbins: And don't wanna help with Intel
  373. [17/11/2015 12:40:15] Sapporo Jones: I didn't say already winning
  374. [17/11/2015 12:40:29] Sapporo Jones: I said I want to know who is actually committed to prosecuting a full on war against the cfc
  375. [17/11/2015 12:40:34] Sapporo Jones: because that's what it would end up being
  376. [17/11/2015 12:40:44] Sapporo Jones: and that is not a small ask of a small and poor alliance that lives across the map from you
  377. [17/11/2015 12:41:15] Sapporo Jones: and I didn't say I wouldn't help with intel
  378. [17/11/2015 12:41:19] Sapporo Jones: I have been providing you intel
  379. [17/11/2015 12:41:24] Sapporo Jones: I won't leak convo logs
  380. [17/11/2015 12:41:26] gobbins: Honestly man I am not sure I can trust you at this point
  381. [17/11/2015 12:41:39] Sapporo Jones: I'm sorry you feel that way
  382. [17/11/2015 12:41:40] gobbins: Fair enough
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