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  1. Mar 11 16:52:29 *   Now talking on #tails
  2. Mar 11 16:52:29 *   Topic for #tails is: Welcome to #tails, the discussion channel about Tails usage | Current: 2.2 | Website: https://tails.boum.org/ | If the website has no answer to your question: ask here and wait, it may take a while. | To upgrade to Tails 2.2: https://tails.boum.org/news/version_2.2/ | Roadmap: https://labs.riseup.net/code/projects/tails/roadmap/
  3. Mar 11 16:52:29 *   Topic for #tails set by anonym!~anonym@vps766.greenhost.nl (Tue Mar  8 18:47:26 2016)
  4. Mar 11 16:52:31 <anya>  hello
  5. Mar 11 16:52:34 <anya>  I have a problem with tails :(
  6. Mar 11 16:52:47 <anya>  would anyone like to help me?
  7. Mar 11 16:53:01 <edne>  girls and computers :)
  8. Mar 11 16:54:09 <dkg>   edne: that's not appropriate.  please don't rely on gendered stereotypes.
  9. Mar 11 16:54:12 <emmapeel>  edne: please refrain from such gendered comments :)
  10. Mar 11 16:54:15 <emmapeel>  hehehe
  11. Mar 11 16:54:30 <emmapeel>  anya: explain the problem and wait a bit
  12. Mar 11 16:54:32 <dkg>   anya: sure, please ask away.  on IRC, it's best to go ahead and ask your question right away, instead of "asking to ask"
  13. Mar 11 16:54:35 <anya>  Thanks
  14. Mar 11 16:54:42 <anya>  I can not download the ISO to use in a VM
  15. Mar 11 16:55:06 <anya>  I don't want to use torrent and expose my IP to the swarm
  16. Mar 11 16:55:14 <anya>  I don't want to install some weird browser extension
  17. Mar 11 16:55:17 <edne>  dkg: you are negative and prejudging. I was happy to see these two in conjuction
  18. Mar 11 16:55:25 <emmapeel>  i download it from the command line with wget -c
  19. Mar 11 16:55:34 <emmapeel>  (continue)
  20. Mar 11 16:55:35 <anya>  How can I find the URL to wget it?
  21. Mar 11 16:55:54 <emmapeel>  you can use the firefox add-on to download it too
  22. Mar 11 16:56:14 <edne>  anya: http://dl.amnesia.boum.org/tails/stable/tails-i386-2.2/
  23. Mar 11 16:56:47 <dkg>   edne: i'm just responding to what seems to be the simplest way to read your remark.  clearly, emmapeel read it the same way that i did.  If that's not how you meant it, you need to think more clearly about how other people will interpret the things that you say.  I'm done with this part of the conversation now.
  24. Mar 11 16:56:52 <dkg>   edne: thanks for giving the link :)
  25. Mar 11 16:58:31 <dkg>   emmapeel: is there a reason that this link isn't present on https://tails.boum.org/install/win/usb/index.en.html ?
  26. Mar 11 16:59:15 <anya>  thank you
  27. Mar 11 16:59:22 <edne>  dkg: that is the wrong page, the link is sopposed to be 1-2 pages (clicks) before
  28. Mar 11 17:00:00 <emmapeel>  yes indeed there is a reason... let me see
  29. Mar 11 17:00:26 <dkg>   edne: i'm just looking at the step that says "Download and Verify the Tails ISO Image", which seems like a natural place for it
  30. Mar 11 17:00:27 <edne>  this page was a good place https://tails.boum.org/install/index.en.html
  31. Mar 11 17:00:49 <emmapeel>  https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-support/2016-March/000334.html
  32. Mar 11 17:01:00 <edne>  even better was a download menu item on the main page
  33. Mar 11 17:01:00 <emmapeel>  "We want to avoid shortcuts that make it easier to download without
  34. Mar 11 17:01:00 <emmapeel>  verifying the ISO image. We believe this brings more security to our
  35. Mar 11 17:01:00 <emmapeel>  users and also reduce our user support load. So no, we won't do this.
  36. Mar 11 17:01:02 <emmapeel>  "
  37. Mar 11 17:01:37 <dkg>   interesting, thanks
  38. Mar 11 17:02:07 <edne>  the usual approach nowadays: always expect the "dumbest assumable user" :(
  39. Mar 11 17:02:38 <emmapeel>  well... you cannot blame the user... is the path of the least resistance
  40. Mar 11 17:02:56 <edne>  who needs intermediates and experts, DAUs are the vast majority. let us focus on them
  41. Mar 11 17:03:14 <edne>  I blame the developers not the users
  42. Mar 11 17:03:58 <emmapeel>  i mean for not verifying
  43. Mar 11 17:04:22 <SweTai1>   FWIW, edne: That's the reason I am such a huge fan of MSs Metro- and Ribbon-interface...
  44. Mar 11 17:10:20 <SweTai1>   emmapeel: IMHO the FF plugin is useless overhead, *way* more 'vulnerable' than checking the sig
  45. Mar 11 17:11:02 <SweTai1>   who gets planted a modded ISO gets planted a modded FF plugin
  46. Mar 11 17:11:07 <anya>  You should respect your users a bit, let them use their agency
  47. Mar 11 17:11:23 <anya>  babying them by not providing a download sucks
  48. Mar 11 17:11:43 <edne>  anya: never mind. agency uses you
  49. Mar 11 17:11:59 <cacahuatl> 2cool4readingthedocumentation
  50. Mar 11 17:12:18 <cacahuatl> then later come back and ask questions...covered in the documentation
  51. Mar 11 17:12:52 <edne>  "real men dont read manuals"(TM)
  52. Mar 11 17:14:11 *   qiance (~qiance@5RYAACIYZ.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net) has joined
  53. Mar 11 17:14:26 <SweTai1>   BTW: the need for javascript is discriminating disabled people. just saying
  54. Mar 11 17:14:38 <dkg>   SweTai1: in practice, people were not actually checking the signature
  55. Mar 11 17:15:04 <anya>  what is the point of checking the signature
  56. Mar 11 17:15:20 <anya>  you download both from the same website
  57. Mar 11 17:15:27 <SweTai1>   dkg: as usual. still the plugin can be tampered as well as the ISO
  58. Mar 11 17:15:40 <muri>  anya: the signature is backed by the web of trust
  59. Mar 11 17:15:41 <SweTai1>   anya: trust
  60. Mar 11 17:16:07 <cacahuatl> also the firefox plugin and the iso are served from different locations
  61. Mar 11 17:16:23 <anya>  cacahuatl, what were you talking about?
  62. Mar 11 17:16:27 <anya>  <cacahuatl> 2cool4readingthedocumentation
  63. Mar 11 17:16:30 <SweTai1>   cacahuatl: agencies tend to target single targets
  64. Mar 11 17:16:56 <cacahuatl> ...lol
  65. Mar 11 17:17:16 <cacahuatl> You know what, live in ignorance :P see if I care
  66. Mar 11 17:17:47 <anya>  you seem very smug but not contributing anything useful
  67. Mar 11 17:17:48 <SweTai1>   question is only who's the real ignorant...
  68. Mar 11 17:18:26 <cacahuatl> Don't spread misinformation though simply because you've failed to understand why decisions were made :/
  69. Mar 11 17:19:14 <SweTai1>   you must be blind to the risks/vulns of FF, cacahuatl
  70. Mar 11 17:19:39 <anya>  Why is this channel full of trolls?
  71. Mar 11 17:21:54 <SweTai1>   anya: anything we cannot see or (do not want to understand) is "magical", "untrue", "conspiracy theories" or "trolling". - such a view makes life way easier
  72. Mar 11 17:24:36 <emmapeel>  oh please ! lets respect each other...
  73. Mar 11 17:25:38 <emmapeel>  https://media.giphy.com/media/lXiRrBVusvMvkBMLC/giphy.gif
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