10:16 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: they've treated their players like shit for the past two years, maybe more
10:16 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: EOTL was just another example of it
10:16 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: new weapons and balance changes don't help that, and that's my issue with it
10:16 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: this update saves face and everyone's going to be happy and completely forget about eotl and everything that came before it
10:16 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: just like every other time
10:17 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: is this good? yes
10:17 PM - FastCo. Dullahan: Can you give me some examples?  I generally try to avoid politics.
10:18 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: it's just the general attitude that valve has
10:18 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: they want tf2 to be a community-driven game, or so they say
10:18 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: but then the only thing they put in is
10:18 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: -stuff that famous youtubers bitch about that doesn't really matter that much, ie a rock messing up a chain jump on badlands
10:18 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: -hats that the community makes
10:19 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: they don't put it in if it's not got money in it for them
10:20 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: EOTL is easily the biggest example of them snubbing the community while acting like they're above their community at the same time, in a "community update"
10:20 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: yes, the hype was made by fans
10:20 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: but valve knew about it, and they knew people knew about a map
10:20 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: give us a reason for cutting it - an actual reason with actual points - and I won't feel like the company's talking down upon the playerbase it's claiming to hold in high esteem
10:21 PM - FastCo. Dullahan: I honestly can't be too upset about that just because this sort of thing is exactly how I would expect a corporation to behave, just because of politics and how management decisions often happen.
10:21 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: I am, because it's how they've acted basically since the F2P update
10:21 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: I wouldn't be upset if it was like this for... six, twelve months
10:21 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: but it's kind of been going on for a while now
10:23 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: I want a valve rep to come on to /r/tf2 and ask for balance ideas, I want them to come out with a poll for what weapons are most needed, I want them to have matchmaking, I want them to acknowledge the community directly -- even if NONE of what gets put in those threads or whatever is used, I want them to even pretend to want the community's things that aren't easily marketable to new players with their parents' credit cards
10:24 PM - I'm still mad at v(a)lve: I know that what I'm asking is totally immature and unreasonable and all of that, but I want them to commit to a direction rather than just say they will be