Feb 09 16:46:52 <Melia>	Title: Dreamer/Mettaton EX
Feb 09 16:46:59 <Megar>	oh god here we go.
Feb 09 16:47:06 <Melia>	He randomly just got banned out of nowhere. Was he someone else ban evading? - Zeldamaster12
Feb 09 16:47:12 <Melia>	He's Blueoak, unfortunately. - Joey
Feb 09 16:47:21 <Megar>	unfortunately
Feb 09 16:47:22 <Megar>	wow rud
Feb 09 16:47:22 <Melia>	I kinda felt like he was someone else since he was getting along with everyone so quickly. How'd you figure out it was him? - Zeldamaster12
Feb 09 16:47:30 <Melia>	I had my suspicions (what you said about getting along with everyone so quickly, his general demeanor, and the fact that having "Ellie" in his signature is close to his real name, Ellis), but what confirmed it was that he was connecting to Esper from the same IP. - Joey
Feb 09 16:47:37 <Melia>	Whoa, really? Wasn't expecting that, honestly. He seemed like a legit guy (then again, so did Blueoak). Was Ignoritus informed about this? He'll need to be replaced in Mafia. - pseudo-dino
Feb 09 16:47:51 <Melia>	I'm just curious if he'll try this a third time (it's likely lol). He was discovered eventually as Streetzero, and he's been discovered as Dreamer.
Feb 09 16:47:51 <Melia>	About Mafia, Sanct replaced him. - ZM12
Feb 09 16:47:52 <Cloud>	rofl
Feb 09 16:47:55 <AndroFox__>	rofl
Feb 09 16:48:01 <Megar>	>discovered
Feb 09 16:48:02 <Cloud>	the first thing people think about when you leave is who replaces you, megar
Feb 09 16:48:06 <Megar>	now hold on
Feb 09 16:48:06 <Cloud>	is that the kind of community you want to be a part of?
Feb 09 16:48:10 <Melia>	Yes, I informed Ignoritus earlier about it.
Feb 09 16:48:10 <Melia>	To all staff that read this - I hope you guys realize why Blueoak is banned to begin with, but if you don't (and that's okay!) then please say so and I will clarify.
Feb 09 16:48:10 <Melia>	 - Joey
Feb 09 16:48:13 <AndroFox__>	i wonder if they will ever figure out who i am in the forums
Feb 09 16:48:16 <Megar>	i straight up CONFESSED to being streetzero
Feb 09 16:48:20 <Melia>	 mean, from what I've saw, he was self-centered and generally dramatic. He was also involved in the whole HIGH SMBX COUNCIL fiasco (although from what he said, he didn't do the malicious activity that Michel and Pixels were doing, but he still knew they were doing it). Ban evading doesn't help either.
Feb 09 16:48:20 <Melia>	However, the thing is, while Blueoak was involved in all that, this happened over a year ago. He's apologized about it and I'm sure he wouldn't be very problematic. I think we should give him one more chance, as long as he doesn't start shit again. So far, aside from slight shitposts, his ban evading accounts never really started trouble with anyone.
Feb 09 16:48:20 <Melia>	I also think we could possibly give Raster another chance too, since while being involved in the HIGH SMBX COUNCIL fiasco, he never really acted problematic at all on the forums.
Feb 09 16:48:20 <Melia>	I understand why if you don't want to unban them, but you have to put this into retrospect: We gave Knux another chance before when his account was deleted by Quill due to request. He started rule breaking and starting drama, so we simply banned him again and that was the end of that.
Feb 09 16:48:26 <Melia>	I definitely wouldn't give Michel another shred of light here though. I heard Pixels is in jail now, so we don't have to worry about him. =P - ZM12
Feb 09 16:48:36 <Melia>	I'd be fine with unbanning Blueoak as well. He honestly hasn't caused any trouble with his alts as far as I can tell; he seems like an OK guy now.
Feb 09 16:48:36 <Melia>	Raster maaaaaaybe but he was quite a bit shadier. - pseudo-dino
Feb 09 16:48:37 <Megar>	>self-centered and problematic
Feb 09 16:48:38 <Megar>	am i that bad
Feb 09 16:48:49 <Cloud>	no, megar
Feb 09 16:48:52 <Cloud>	that community is
Feb 09 16:48:59 <Melia>	Okay, so I guess I need to clarify.
Feb 09 16:48:59 <Melia>	In explaining this, I'm going to momentarily put aside Blueoak's history of being difficult, Raster's history of being a little shady (among other things), Pixels's history of exploiting things instead of reporting them, and Michel's history of being a huge asshole. Those things do play a role, of course, and had it not been these four people then things would've probably gone differently, but we're just going to put those
Feb 09 16:48:59 <Melia>	 traits aside for a sec.
Feb 09 16:48:59 <Melia>	The situation with the "high SMBX council" was not simply just a situation, or a fiasco, or something that happened over a year ago.
Feb 09 16:48:59 <Melia>	It was an attack. A blunt, targeted, and premeditated attack. Against us. And at times, against me personally.
Feb 09 16:49:01 <Cloud>	sure, you attached yourself to an essentially illegal operation
Feb 09 16:49:02 <Melia>	And you all know the rest of the story in terms of what they did - countless spam attacks, phishing users' passwords, abusing the Game Master accounts, taking down other sites, sending stuff to my house, and overall trying to incite a general fear among people here. I understand that not all four members were engaged in all of these activities, but that isn't the point. The point is that all four of them were there as it w
Feb 09 16:49:07 <Melia>	as happening. They were all on the IRC. They all had their own council nicknames.
Feb 09 16:49:11 <Melia>	They all contributed to making members here feel uncomfortable.
Feb 09 16:49:11 <Melia>	This is unacceptable behavior. We can't just slap a short ban on them and act like they haven't fucking done anything.
Feb 09 16:49:19 <Melia>	In September 2014 I received an apology of sorts from Blueoak, but at that point we were still deciding what to do about the whole situation. See this thread for more information and support for my points. - Joey
Feb 09 16:49:20 <Melia>	Joey quotes Zeldamaster here: "I understand why if you don't want to unban them, but you have to put this into retrospect: We gave Knux another chance before when his account was deleted by Quill due to request. He started rule breaking and starting drama, so we simply banned him again and that was the end of that."
Feb 09 16:49:23 <Melia>	I realize that Knux was given way too many chances and that his account deletion should've resulted in a permanent ban. However, the things that Knux did over his time here were much less harmful. - Joey

Feb 10 14:18:02 <Melia>	So...yeah. We have four users to consider here: Quill, Cloud, Spinda, and Lyrin.
Feb 10 14:18:02 <Melia>	I want to stress that if something like this were to happen at an actual job, Quill would probably be fired. However, this is simply an organization and not a company with employees.
Feb 10 14:18:02 <Melia>	One of our friends did something wrong and we need to figure out what to do about it. This isn't fun for me.
Feb 10 14:18:10 <Melia>	Zeldamaster12: What exactly is going on there? What channel is that? Why are these people getting involved with attacking the IRC? Lastly, why is Quill getting involved?
Feb 10 14:18:10 <Melia>	From what I've gathered, AndroFox is Michel, right?
Feb 10 14:18:11 <Cloud>	rofl what
Feb 10 14:18:17 <Megar>	aww, how sad
Feb 10 14:18:18 <Melia>	Joey: AndroFox is Michel. That channel is #thelounge on Esper where Michel hangs out. Quill has been in there before this as well. They were coordinating some of the spam attacks that happened earlier today. Quill was a part of these attacks, as the log shows, and also briefly used his channel operator status to perpetuate them (see: the part where he unset the invite-only mode).
Feb 10 14:18:24 <Melia>	ZM12: Do you have any idea why Quill would do this?
Feb 10 14:18:28 <Melia>	Also, due to the fact that Lyrin has also quickly gotten along with everyone, along with the fact that he was involved in these attacks, I'd suspect him as another user as well.
Feb 10 14:18:34 <Melia>	Joey: I believe he's friends with Blueoak ("Megar").
Feb 10 14:18:34 <Melia>	Lyrin is a user named Cliftin who is someone I generally associate with Cloud's forums. She has denied this but I've proven it. I've seen her hang around Michel before, but she also was the one who gave us these logs.
Feb 10 14:18:39 <Melia>	ZM12: I see. This ironically happened after we banned Blueoak's Dreamer account.

Feb 10 18:18:32 <Melia>	Joey: Do you guys think a public statement needs to be made concerning what has been happening and how people shouldn't hang around Michel or any of his channels and how doing so is only hurting this entire community? I realize that's something we can't control but I feel like it'd be worth it to educate some people.
Feb 10 18:18:32 <Melia>	It's disheartening to see people go into #thelounge and not act like Michel has been attacking this community for a year and a half.
Feb 10 18:18:33 <Melia>	pseudo-dino: Yeah posting something about this would probably be good. Not as a threat to people interested in going there, though, merely as education about why michel is an asshole and what the HSMBXC did. Knowledge is power, they say (don't want to sound cheesy but idk).
Feb 10 18:18:51 <Melia>	Valtteri: I can't believe it... I'm really angry at Quill and Spinda who I thought were okay guys. Quill did mention he idles on michel's old channel and I questioned it but it didn't even occur to me that he could be involved in this stuff. And Spinda was just a total surprise.
Feb 10 18:18:52 <Melia>	A public statement would definitely be a good idea.
Feb 10 18:18:52 <Melia>	ZM12: I feel it'll only make Michel want to attack us more. His friends will also probably side with him too since the TERRIBLE Joey is being a "dictator". You can make a statement if you think it'll help, but you and I both know there will be controversy circled around it.