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  18. Journal Entry: December 18th, 2010 07:16 PM    
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  20. Deleted the previous journal - I apparently did not have the full update on our site of things. I apoligze.
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  22. The long and the short of it - yes, we were hacked. Yes, we have everything under control, and we are currently figuring out the extent of the damage. So far we know that 41 people (including admins) had their notes leaked, and some people had their galleries deleted; the latter we can restore. We will post more updated once we have more information and are able to further review the security logs.
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  24. My apologies if mis-spoke in the previous journal. I admit my error.
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  27. FA United 4 - Apocalypse
  28. May 20-22, 2011
  29. Mt. Laurel, New Jersey
  30. Website: http://www.faunited.org/
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  36. Habsburg-Chin
  37.        
  38. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:16 PM
  39.          Will you be getting into contact with the people who've had their notes leaked, to give them a heads up?
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  45. Dragoneer
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  47. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:17 PM
  48.          Yes, I've said that several times now. We're compiling a list of people, but we still are investigating the logs and the extent of everything.
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  52. necronomicon
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  54. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  55.          I will ask again then: Is there an ETA as to when those of us locked out will be allowed back in our accounts?
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  59. wraywolfe
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  61. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:26 PM
  62.          said it where? This is the first time I've seen you speak up about the issue since the breach.
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  66. Pi
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  68. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  69.          He probably said it in the closed, moderated LJ community furrydrama_2, because his other tree house (WYS) got chopped down.
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  73. necronomicon
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  75. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:35 PM
  76.          He hasn't even been posting to FD_2, but I haven't seen him say anything about that either.
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  78. In fact, my question hasn't even been answered. I want to know how much of my stuff was let out after my account was locked.
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  82. coffinberry
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  84. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:23 PM
  85.          What? He posted there tonight.
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  89. necronomicon
  90.        
  91. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:25 PM
  92.          Oh, not when I wrote this comment. So it's outdated. :)
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  96. dragonzoomer
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  98. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:12 AM
  99.          no he said it here a few times
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  103. Habsburg-Chin
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  105. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:46 PM
  106.          You said on Furrydrama_2 that you will contact the people who've had their notes taken when you've finished the investigation, when you do think you will finish the investigation? Can you give any estimate?
  107.  
  108. You say that 41 people have had their notes taken, so you must know who those 41 are, why haven't you contacted them immediately?
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  113. necronomicon
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  115. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:30 PM
  116.          I've asked the ETA too, and no one has said anything.
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  120. Alfador
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  122. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 11:32 AM
  123.          Oh good. I don't really have much in the way of compromising information in my private messages, but I was a little anxious about whether or not they'd seen fit to make them public anyway, yet the only other way of finding out whether I was among those 41 would've been to seek out the actual leaked PMs, and I really don't want to do that.
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  127. Chasowolf666
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  129. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:08 PM
  130.          heads up you have rape charges against you : D
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  134. Habsburg-Chin
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  136. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:55 PM
  137.          I think not! D:
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  139. However, I do think that given that FA has failed so monumentally with it's security, they have a responsibility to tell the people they failed ASAP. You've got to take ownership of your mistakes.
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  143. Chasowolf666
  144.        
  145. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:59 PM
  146.          Yup I know but it was a joke about how Admins warned people pulling criminal stunts to keep it on the DL
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  150. Habsburg-Chin
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  152. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:01 PM
  153.          Oh. Sorry. :<
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  157. spazfox
  158.        
  159. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:17 PM
  160.          But what about that one thing you didn't specifically address that I'm still mad about?
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  164. Apothacer
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  166. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:24 PM
  167.          Allow me to come out of no-where and give my own admin hating conspiracy theory because I want to be relevant.
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  171. missmab
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  173. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:29 PM
  174.          I'm going to follow this up with a list of demands I think should be done because I feel my suggestion for how to fix things is the best course of action because I am an internet expert.
  175. INTERNET EXPERT HERE. :U
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  178. summercat
  179.        
  180. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:50 PM
  181.          Well, arn't you?
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  185. missmab
  186.        
  187. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:58 PM
  188.          I am! I even have other people on the internet who can confirm this and one of them is an internet lawyer. *nods*
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  192. summercat
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  194. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:13 PM
  195.          Does he have a GED in law?
  196.  
  197. Cause I'm an Officer of the Lawl.
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  200. spazfox
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  202. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:32 PM
  203.          Agreed. My concerns are top priority. And if my concerns are addressed I'll be sure to think of another one.
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  207. Vulpyra
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  209. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:18 PM
  210.          Hahaha, you are the greastest. THE GREATEST. XD
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  214. Chasowolf666
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  216. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:09 PM
  217.          Yes admins should in no way be responsible for their personal actions they just run the site and receive knowledge of criminal acts which is never their business as people :3 oh wait they are furrys so it doesn't count
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  220. Apothacer
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  222. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:13 PM
  223.          (Sarcasm+Sarcasm/Tongue and Cheek)^Snarky=Error
  224. I can't tell if I should be flattered or enraged... What are you trying to say? Hard to figure out when this is a sarcastic reply to a sarcastic reply to a sarcastic post... I love sarcasm but even I lost track of the thread of meaning there.
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  229. Chasowolf666
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  231. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:26 PM
  232.          I have seen your previous posts and know it probably is not sarcasm
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  236. Apothacer
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  238. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:35 PM
  239.          Huh? How is me posting: "Allow me to come out of no-where and give my own admin hating conspiracy theory because I want to be relevant." Not sarcastic?
  240.  
  241. I see what you were trying to say in response to that now though, and here is my retort.
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  243. While it is good to question authority, lord knows Dragoneer is trying. It sucks that this happened, it sucks that it happened twice in a row. What sucks most of all is that I bet the flame bestowed upon the people who are now being talked about on this lulznet or whatever it is is nothing compared to what our own community is doing to the admins right now. Constructive criticism is one thing but trying to rally people against the admins just seems like a bunch of ego stroking.
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  247. Chasowolf666
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  249. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:43 PM
  250.          Well im not trying to stroke any ego here and glad you could understand at least I do admit I have outrage to express and it does mix in with my responses which I have made MANY lol hands are getting tired to XD I just hate how others want to just ignore it but guess I should be a bit more patient with my questions. Thanks X3 good response
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  254. Charrio
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  256. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:17 PM
  257.          I think deleting journals isn't helping
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  260. JamestheDoc
  261.        
  262. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:17 PM
  263.          I agree.
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  266. Dragoneer
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  268. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  269.          No, it's not, but I mis-spoke and made a mistake. I'd rather post the right thing and admit my error.
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  272. coffinberry
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  274. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:19 PM
  275.          Why didn't you just edit it?  
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  279. StrawberryNeko
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  281. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  282.          Honestly, I've misspoken before and editing didn't help it. People tend to stick to the original and use it against you. Usually it's cause they think what you wrote was right and you're just covering up, but that's not always true.
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  285. Osprey
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  287. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:26 PM
  288.          Because all of the comments would've remained
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  292. coffinberry
  293.        
  294. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:32 PM
  295.          :> I know
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  299. Charrio
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  301. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:23 PM
  302.          Thank you, I know i have no real right to expect anything from you or the admins, being a free site and i am allowed to use it.
  303. But please can we have more professional conduct in general, being the leaders your always under a magnifying glass like it or not.
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  305. What you do in your private lives is up to you, but when you an Icon to alot of people what you do matters, sucks i know.
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  307. I really have no idea what to suggest cause anything you do will be looked on now by thousands especially if it's drama or some bs like this stuff leaking out again.
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  311. Ben_Roprim
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  313. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:00 PM
  314.          Wow, you are a complete bitch.
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  318. IndoGali
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  320. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:08 PM
  321.          ^wins
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  325. Ben_Roprim
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  327. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:16 PM
  328.          ^ also wins
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  332. Sherbniz
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  334. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:36 PM
  335.          I'm sorry I don't see it.
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  339. beasty101111
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  341. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:17 PM
  342.          ^fails
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  346. Sherbniz
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  348. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:33 PM
  349.          Yeah, indeed I fail to realize how someone is a complete bitch for pointing out the truth. :I
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  353. redfoxnudetoons
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  355. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  356.          It only furthers the point of those who spoke up in the last journal.
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  360. Osoth
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  362. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:17 PM
  363.          Good, you can copy paste what Yak tells you to say.
  364.  
  365. Now shut the site down until you fix your gaping holes.
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  371. Meep-Jay
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  373. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  374.          mmmm... gaping holes *drools*
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  378. jazzypanda
  379.        
  380. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  381.          *drools by your side*
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  385. Sheppy
  386.        
  387. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:50 PM
  388.          A little bossy, aren't we?
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  392. Sherman128
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  394. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:17 PM
  395.          I noticed you got your gallery wiped as well. How do we know this is really Neer?
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  399. Kamunt
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  401. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  402.          WHERE'S CONSPIRACY DAN WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!
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  406. Sherman128
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  408. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:19 PM
  409.          Well it could be a hacker we don't know...
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  413. Sherbniz
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  415. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:37 PM
  416.          Donn your tinfoil hats lads, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!
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  420. Hipstar
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  422. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:19 PM
  423.          Bureaucratic language, of course  
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  427. dragonzoomer
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  429. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:19 AM
  430.          because on other sites he confirmed that its him writing this.
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  434. coffinberry
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  436. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:17 PM
  437.          Oh, you CAN restore galleries? That's good!
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  441. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  442.        
  443. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:17 PM
  444.          Alright an update.
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  448. Chasowolf666
  449.        
  450. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  451.          lol will anything be done about actions by certain admins? mods? people? who have done wrong to the community according to the leaks or just swept under the carpet?
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  455. Dragoneer
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  457. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  458.          Things will need to be reviewed, but I'm more concerned about the security of the site first and foremost. I will be reviewing all the comments and issues brought up by our users.
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  462. makuyi
  463.        
  464. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:22 PM
  465.          yeah... im particularly disgusted and outraged by what ive seen so far. i should really hope that these issues will be handled.
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  469. dragonien
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  471. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  472.          so you read some of the leaked notes?
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  476. makuyi
  477.        
  478. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  479.          ive seen some screen shots of a couple of messages. the ones that are being passed around the most. i dont want to get too involved but from what ive seen, something needs to be done.
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  483. dragonien
  484.        
  485. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:01 PM
  486.          because anyone that reads those notes. is no better than the hacker.
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  490. dragonien
  491.        
  492. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:02 PM
  493.          er... didnt mean to enter.
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  495. i dont care whats in them. theyre personal information. just cause someone steals them then posts them somewhere, doesnt mean its any less immoral to read them
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  499. makuyi
  500.        
  501. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:05 PM
  502.          really, i dont give a shit. what some of the admins have done (neer in particular) is more immoral than anything ive EVER done. seriously, saying something like that to a victim. its bullshit.
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  506. dragonien
  507.        
  508. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:14 PM
  509.          I dont know anything that is in the notes. because i purposefully avoided reading them. in respect for his privacy. if my notes were leaked, i wouldnt want people reading them.
  510.  
  511. if your notes were leaked, i bet you wouldnt want people reading them.
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  515.  
  516. Also. just... just curious.
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  518.  
  519. Now. before i say this. im not saying this happened. im just saying this... you know, just to plant the thought. JUST because theres always that possibility that i bet noone thought of.
  520.  
  521. they hacked FA and stole notes. is it possible...
  522.  
  523.  
  524. is there even the SLIGHTEST POSSIBLE possibility, that someone might have changed what was in the notes to make it worse than it is?
  525.  
  526. again. im not saying i think thats what happened. im just saying... has ANYONE Thought of that possibility?
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  530. makuyi
  531.        
  532. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:27 PM
  533.          yes it is possible. but i believe whats in them. i really do because i wouldnt put it past the admins quite honestly. im less appalled with neer's advice to said victim as i am with the actions of the offender. i just think he could have worded it differently. his advice is valid, yes, but it just seemed cold and uncaring to me. the other stuff though.... could be in violation of the law.
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  537. Synwolf
  538.        
  539. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:00 PM
  540.          "yes it is possible. but i believe whats in them. i really do because i wouldnt put it past the admins quite honestly."
  541.  
  542. Expect the worst in everything, and you'll never be disappointed. Pessimism's real reliable like that. You create your own version of reality, because you're choosing to view it through a single colored lens.
  543.  
  544. The more MATURE and level-headed action is to remain open to other possibilities about a situation that's still being dealt with. Why? Because if facts come to light that differ extraordinarily from what you believed was true ... it becomes a VERY bad case of Foot-In-Mouth Syndrome.
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  546. I know it's big fun to jump on the "hurr hurr admins r bad mkay =B" bandwagon, but it's also REALLY immature. Keep a more open mind and people will regard you differently. Not sayin' love them and hump their ankles, but neutrality can do wonders.
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  550. makuyi
  551.        
  552. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:05 PM
  553.          im usually neutral in all the drama on here. ive tried to stay neutral through all this but seeing just one of the notes, not having even been looking for it, pissed me off to the point where i just couldnt stay quiet. sure there may be something amiss but i highly doubt someone would mess with the content of the notes. im open to any and all facts that may arise but until someone can prove to me that the content of the notes has been altered, ill believe what they contain.
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  556.                
  557. zachhart12
  558.        
  559. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:29 PM
  560.          agreed!
  561.  
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  563.                
  564. beasty101111
  565.        
  566. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:23 PM
  567.          Bullshit on the "sure there may be something amiss but i highly doubt someone would mess with the content of the notes." Don't tell me you believe that just because someone stole the notes they didn't change them. If the person or persons who stole the notes wanted to do considerable damage to the credibility of the victim, why not change the wording in them?
  568.  
  569. Now if this doesn't make sense plz tell me... I'm not that good with words.
  570.  
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  572.                
  573. Chasowolf666
  574.        
  575. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:23 PM
  576.          So whos reviewing you? lol
  577.  
  578. Reply to this post
  579.                
  580. makuyi
  581.        
  582. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  583.          exactly. someone needs to.
  584.  
  585. Reply to this post
  586.                
  587. Chasowolf666
  588.        
  589. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:50 PM
  590.          idk why but it reminds me of this question: Who created god? XD though I am atheist so I think at some point everyone should be brought under scrutiny
  591.  
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  593.                
  594. Jandan
  595.        
  596. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:41 PM
  597.          God created man after man created God.
  598.  
  599. Reply to this post
  600.                
  601. Chasowolf666
  602.        
  603. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:45 PM
  604.          Exactly XD
  605.  
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  607.                
  608. Fuzzypaws
  609.        
  610. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:56 PM
  611.          No one, because he owns the site and pays half the costs out of his own pocket.
  612.  
  613. Reply to this post
  614.                
  615. Chasowolf666
  616.        
  617. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:02 PM
  618.          Mkay so hes free of all charges ever : D
  619.  
  620. Reply to this post
  621.                
  622. Fuzzypaws
  623.        
  624. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:12 PM
  625.          I don't necessarily agree with many of his actions, but on a practical basis, there really aren't a lot of other deep pockets furs out there to take over the site from him. If Dragoneer ragequits or is forced out, FA goes into a death spiral.
  626.  
  627. Reply to this post
  628.                
  629. Fuzzypaws
  630.        
  631. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:15 PM
  632.          Plus it's worth noting that at least in most cases where something has gone wrong and he has any responsibility for it at all, his greatest sin is simply inaction. It's not like he's maliciously trying to make life worse for all the users here, he is well intentioned. He just... doesn't want to get involved, or procrastinates, or lets people with stronger personalities like Pinkuh and Yak sway his opinion. It's because of personality conflicts with Yak that all the good coders like LexyEevee are gone.
  633.  
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  635.                
  636. Chasowolf666
  637.        
  638. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:20 PM
  639.          Plenty of other conflicts im sure that have resulted in good people on his behalf going bye bye because he disliked them. I know Dragoneer runs the site but he needs to take some legal responsibility.
  640.  
  641. Reply to this post
  642.                
  643. JacobBlakk
  644.        
  645. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:28 PM
  646.          "I'm more concerned about the security of the site first and foremost."
  647.  
  648. Obviously why you banned one of the only people who could fix the cracks in this dam.
  649.  
  650. Because your team is apparently having quite a rough time doing so.
  651.  
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  653.                
  654. Chasowolf666
  655.        
  656. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  657.          Seems he likes to ban certain people over others who still should be banned for criminal activities
  658.  
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  660.                
  661. dragonzoomer
  662.        
  663. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:23 AM
  664.          eevee? he used the cracks to exploit FA o.O
  665.  
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  667.                
  668. MitchZer0
  669.        
  670. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  671.          Again, I noticed that admins are members, are you able to fix that?
  672.  
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  674.                
  675. summercat
  676.        
  677. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:26 PM
  678.          The situation is intentional on FA's part, and Admins can be restored at any time.
  679.  
  680. Reply to this post
  681.                
  682. Vikar
  683.        
  684. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  685.          But it's a terrible idea, because the site is still insecure.
  686.  
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  688.                
  689. summercat
  690.        
  691. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:50 PM
  692.          Which is why they haven't been restored yet.
  693.  
  694. Reply to this post
  695.                
  696. emo_wolf
  697.        
  698. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  699.          by golly, as much as they are posting, it takes a while to read it all
  700.  
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  702.                
  703. Hipstar
  704.        
  705. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  706.          I still hope you realize the implications of this event are going to cause a much greater impression on the user base than the fact that it was only a confirmed 41 users who were affected, the implications being, of course, that it could happen to anyone and that the site is not a safe place to share information.
  707.  
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  709.                
  710. HornetV2
  711.        
  712. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  713.          I was just leaving my comment, lol.
  714.  
  715. Pretty much I understand this could happen to any site. If someone is leaving, will they leave again when something like this happens there?
  716. I'm sticking to FA, pretty much because I feel like I belong here, other sites are like blah.
  717.  
  718. And yes I've seen a few galleries wiped out, inlcuding yours and Zaush's, the guy really got messed up it seems.  
  719.  
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  721.                
  722. IzumiKage
  723.        
  724. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  725.          Looks like some mean people have way too much time on their hands. <:/
  726. Anyways, is there any reason that I'm unable to leave shouts? I got a new watcher and went to leave a thank you, but no matter how many times I refreshed I was unable to leave my shout. Any suggestions?
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  728.                
  729. summercat
  730.        
  731. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  732.          Shouts are intentionally shut down right now.
  733. Reply to this post
  734.                
  735. IzumiKage
  736.        
  737. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:23 PM
  738.          Oh alright. They'll be turned back on when everything is fixed then?
  739.  
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  741.                
  742. summercat
  743.        
  744. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:28 PM
  745.          Yes. It is against FA policy for harassing shouts to be left on userpages, but due to the security incidents there was not enough manpower to fix the issues AND police shouts.
  746.  
  747. Shouts will go live when the admins get restored.
  748.  
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  750.                
  751. IzumiKage
  752.        
  753. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  754.          Ah, completely understandable. :3 Thanks for enlightening me on the matter.
  755. Nice icon btw XD
  756.  
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  758.                
  759. Chasowolf666
  760.        
  761. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:43 PM
  762.          ATM alot of people want to harass many who have been leaked about
  763.  
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  765.                
  766. summercat
  767.        
  768. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:51 PM
  769.          No problem, and thank you. I'd tell you who did it, but I forgot and my gallery was wiped XD
  770. Reply to this post
  771.                
  772. summercat
  773.        
  774. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:51 PM
  775.          NM, it was   greykitty
  776. Reply to this post
  777.                
  778. makuyi
  779.        
  780. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:23 PM
  781.          lovely... -_-
  782. Reply to this post
  783.                
  784. summercat
  785.        
  786. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:28 PM
  787.          See my above post for why. I don't like copy/pasting, makes it seem too impersonal.
  788.  
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  790.                
  791. goldanthrowolf1
  792.        
  793. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  794.          This isn't a 'mean people attack' this was, but all indications a deliberate showing of the staff how insecure the website was, and how they've down played it for years. It has finally come back to bite the hand that feeds.
  795.  
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  797.                
  798. dragonzoomer
  799.        
  800. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:25 AM
  801.          that so explains why they targeted specific people in specific ways. it was obviously a personal thing.
  802.  
  803. Reply to this post
  804.                
  805. goldanthrowolf1
  806.        
  807. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:45 AM
  808.          Okay, I see your point. Lets rephrase this. It seems to have been a 'mean people attack' against a few choice people, as well as the staff. Though, more then likely since the other day it was mere vandalism of the website, then it got a little deeper, they probably realized the degree of information they could mine, and simply went with it, not truely knowing the extent of this shitstorm they could conjure up, and what a storm indeed. Amusingly enough its 12:48am now (sunday techincally) and there is almost nothing happneing now. Though, on lulz the TRUE trolls have crawled out of the woodwork for their midnight shift.
  809.  
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  811.                
  812. dragonzoomer
  813.        
  814. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:49 AM
  815.          this person seems to have been well versed in FA which means he/she wouldve guessed that a similar shitstorm to the one now would happen. after all, they hacked 'popufurs' and 'trolls', and chose the right notes to put. they even made specific admins members and gave specific ones a deceased status.
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  817. Reply to this post
  818.                
  819. goldanthrowolf1
  820.        
  821. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:51 AM
  822.          Yup, indeed. Though, the vulnerability had been discussed, but all traces of it seems to have been erased from the record, damage control indeed.
  823.  
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  825.                
  826. JagKitty
  827.        
  828. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  829.          Nonono...the error is still there...
  830.  
  831. You have nothing under control!
  832.  
  833. Mwahahaha!!!
  834.  
  835. Reply to this post
  836.                
  837. Dragoneer
  838.        
  839. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:19 PM
  840.          Kindly point us to the error then so we can correct it?
  841.  
  842. Reply to this post
  843.                
  844. Kamunt
  845.        
  846. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:22 PM
  847.        
  848. yes, we we hacked
  849.  
  850. we we hacked
  851. we we
  852.  
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  854.                
  855. Shoki
  856.        
  857. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:25 PM
  858.          I hate we we hacks. :c
  859.  
  860. Reply to this post
  861.                
  862. The_Blue_Mage
  863.        
  864. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:38 PM
  865.         WEE WEE
  866.  
  867. Reply to this post
  868.                
  869. Osoth
  870.        
  871. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:24 PM
  872.          You can't even type your own explanation. How disgusting.
  873. Just stop.
  874. Reply to this post
  875.                
  876. Dragoneer
  877.        
  878. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:25 PM
  879.          Yes, I posted and edited what yak suggested. I admit that. He's taking the lead on the issue.
  880.  
  881. Reply to this post
  882.                
  883. Osoth
  884.        
  885. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:29 PM
  886.          No, YOU OWN THE SITE. It's your fault that people's personal info is floating around and one of my good friends is suffering a mental breakdown. You should have fixed this, you shouldn't have lied about it.
  887. Take the god damn site down. You're starting to irritate me.
  888.  
  889. Try to respond with your own words this time. You're acting like a little kid who got his rattle taken away and although there's going to be plenty of uneducated morons giving you asspats, there's those of us that WERE affected that WON'T let you get away with what you let happen.
  890.  
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  892.                
  893. Sigil
  894.        
  895. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  896.          If you hate FA so much, why are you still -here-
  897.  
  898. Reply to this post
  899.                
  900. joshstory
  901.        
  902. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  903.          Buddy, if you want to just go ahead and knock off the trolling, just be patient. 'Neer cannot just snap his fingers and make everything right.
  904. And your constant posts towards him are not making his work load any less.
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  906.                
  907. sperklespice
  908.        
  909. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:33 PM
  910.          You do relies that YOU SHOULD NEVER SHARE PERSONAL INFO ON THE INTERNET.... so REALLY its all their faults. If they wanted to share then they should have done it over AIM, MSN and the like.
  911. So it is not Neers fault that they had private info shared.
  912. All that you are trying to do is cause more problems then are needed. So what is needed is for you to grow up. Suck it up and move along.
  913. And remember NEVER SHARE PRIVATE INFO OVER THE INTERNET.
  914. Reply to this post
  915.                
  916. JagKitty
  917.        
  918. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  919.          I believe he's pointing out his dislike for what Neer has done, not any dislike toward the site.
  920.  
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  922.                
  923. Osoth
  924.        
  925. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  926.          I don't hate FA, I hate this admin staff for their utter incompetence that's led to Clayton withdrawing himself into a very dangerous state and Aurora going the same way about her phone numbers.
  927.  
  928. I think I have every right to be angry and so does everyone else. By the way, we saw your mod application in the forums. Don't think hugboxing Dragoneer is gonna get you what you want.
  929. And to the cub guy above me: Keep calling it trolling. Keep being part of the problem.
  930. Reply to this post
  931.                
  932. panda66
  933.        
  934. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  935.          Lol, you mad bro?
  936. Reply to this post
  937.                
  938. Sigil
  939.        
  940. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:35 PM
  941.          I'm a supporter of FA, oh god, I'm probably hugboxing him RIGHT NOW.
  942. I read the stuff everyone else is so riled up about and I'm not mad. It's a free website that's done amazing things for me.
  943.  
  944. YMMV
  945.  
  946. Reply to this post
  947.                
  948. se_kar
  949.        
  950. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  951.          dude, just leave then
  952.  
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  954.                
  955. Tilt
  956.        
  957. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  958.          Users on a website have a reasonable expectation that their information will be secure, otherwise online financial transactions would not occur.
  959.  
  960. For all the posturing that admins have done in the past, it doesn't excuse the fact that someone with limited skill for the most part was able to get admin access and do the damage they have done.
  961. THEY knew about the holes. THEY did nothing and in fact ignored and banned the users who informed them of the holes.
  962. Reply to this post
  963.                
  964. subversive-imaginati
  965.        
  966. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  967.        
  968. No it's the fault of assholes who think it's funny to steal and leak correspondence.
  969. As much sympathy as I have for clayton, none of the sites are 100% safe, there is never a 100% guarantee that anything you type on a site presuming that it will remain private will indeed remain private.
  970. At least when this happened, you knew about it, other sites you might have never found out about it.
  971. Reply to this post
  972.                
  973. Osoth
  974.        
  975. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:39 PM
  976.          This. THIS type of person is what lets these things happen.
  977. I will not leave one of the most diverse and artistically inspiring places there ever was, but everybody has a right to question who runs what they love.
  978. Blinding accepting what people say and not questioning it is what leads to things like this happening. YOU leave, this place would be better without you.
  979. Reply to this post
  980.                
  981. SilverBird
  982.        
  983. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  984.          >>Take the god damn site down
  985.  
  986. NO.
  987.  
  988. Reply to this post
  989.                
  990. dragonien
  991.        
  992. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  993.          the fact that you refer to him as a "Cub guy" kinda proves your trolling...
  994.  
  995.  
  996. calm your shit down. and let them figure it out. jesus.
  997.  
  998. Reply to this post
  999.                
  1000. Chasowolf666
  1001.        
  1002. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  1003.          It isnt trolling if its outrage about the site he wants fixed. Trolling is just saying ridiculous things to get a rise out of people :P
  1004.  
  1005. Reply to this post
  1006.                
  1007. Chasowolf666
  1008.        
  1009. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:46 PM
  1010.          Not exactly could just be a slip of the mind :P hes angry not trolling look up the definition
  1011.  
  1012. Reply to this post
  1013.                
  1014. sperklespice
  1015.        
  1016. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  1017.          For the Private info such as addresses and the like a email would be much better. And they pay on other sites. SO the financial transactions still would and could occur.
  1018.  
  1019. There is now law saying that a admin must have a great skill with computers or have a extensive knowledge of them. Thats like saying that ONLY a certified auto mechanic can work on cars to do an oil change.
  1020.  
  1021. If they did know the holes they did. Its in the past. They really didnt worry about it because it was never an issue.
  1022.  
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  1024.                
  1025. fiztheancient
  1026.        
  1027. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:56 PM
  1028.          this isnt a legit response to someones criticism or complaints and it never will be
  1029.  
  1030. stop it sigil =\
  1031.  
  1032. Reply to this post
  1033.                
  1034. Tilt
  1035.        
  1036. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:56 PM
  1037.          Ok,
  1038.  
  1039. A. It's not in the past because the holes are the reason we are here,right now, Talking about it.
  1040.  
  1041. B. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. The site owner has a responsibility to the users. Period.
  1042.  
  1043. C.It WAS an issue, they were too butthurt to accept help,
  1044.  
  1045.  
  1046.  
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  1048.                
  1049. dragonien
  1050.        
  1051. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:01 PM
  1052.          I just accidentally looked at this guys info and saw he likes cub art, and then accidentally insulted him on it.
  1053.  
  1054.  
  1055. odd.
  1056.  
  1057. Reply to this post
  1058.                
  1059. Chasowolf666
  1060.        
  1061. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:02 PM
  1062.          Still isnt trolling :P
  1063.  
  1064. Reply to this post
  1065.                
  1066. Sigil
  1067.        
  1068. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:03 PM
  1069.          If it's well worded suggestions, I don't care but when its a litany of personal attacks its like CALM DOWN JUNIOR
  1070.  
  1071. All the RAAAAAA kind of waters down whatever good points someone has.
  1072.  
  1073. Reply to this post
  1074.                
  1075. Ben_Roprim
  1076.        
  1077. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:04 PM
  1078.          Dude, shut the fuck up. Who cares if people cant get their porn daily dose of porn.
  1079.  
  1080. Reply to this post
  1081.                
  1082. Jormungand
  1083.        
  1084. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:09 PM
  1085.         there's those of us that WERE affected that WON'T let you get away with what you let happen.
  1086.  
  1087. Oh shit son, it's on now - the furries are pissed!
  1088.  
  1089. Reply to this post
  1090.                
  1091. fiztheancient
  1092.        
  1093. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:12 PM
  1094.          understand that people are very upset and on-edge right now and they damn well should be.
  1095.  
  1096. you'll have to look through the RARARA I AM PISSED to see the bigger picture sometimes :(
  1097.  
  1098. Reply to this post
  1099.                
  1100. Meep-Jay
  1101.        
  1102. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:13 PM
  1103.          lol - you're saying shut the site down, but you wont leave... the fuck?
  1104.  
  1105. and you dont have a say who runs it. whoever owns the site can quite frankly do whatever the fuck they want. Isn't the best ethic to run with, but it's true ;)
  1106.  
  1107. Reply to this post
  1108.                
  1109. Sigil
  1110.        
  1111. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:16 PM
  1112.          Yeah, I'm having all sorts of feelings right now too, thinking about getting off the internet for a while, derp.
  1113.  
  1114. CAN YOU IM ME? If you aren't busy or anything.
  1115.  
  1116. Reply to this post
  1117.                
  1118. Tilt
  1119.        
  1120. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:19 PM
  1121.          Too many retarded people in this conversation. Lots of brainless cheer-leading for Dragoneer while avoiding the central issue.
  1122.  
  1123. Also all the people screaming about not posting personal info, too bad they posted some of theirs here and there. It's not hard to find.
  1124.  
  1125. Reply to this post
  1126.                
  1127. fiztheancient
  1128.        
  1129. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:32 PM
  1130.          oh yea i can im u just fine
  1131.  
  1132. Reply to this post
  1133.                
  1134. Animal-Crackers
  1135.        
  1136. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:47 PM
  1137.          You need to go to a museum.
  1138.  
  1139. Reply to this post
  1140.                
  1141. Sheppy
  1142.        
  1143. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:57 PM
  1144.          A mental break down? People take this shit WAY too seriously.
  1145.  
  1146. Reply to this post
  1147.                
  1148. Synwolf
  1149.        
  1150. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:13 PM
  1151.          You realize that at this point, you're rambling like an enraged lunatic ... right? No matter how valid your point may or may not be, nobody listens to enraged lunatics. Freaking your shit out is the exact OPPOSITE way of getting the cooperation and consideration you seek.
  1152.  
  1153. No matter HOW angry or wronged you feel? There's this little thing called tact and self-restraint, which is employed by MATURE people that are looking for a resolution instead of pitching the biggest tantrum possible because they believe it makes people take them seriously. I'm here to tell you that it doesn't. Like, AT ALL.
  1154.  
  1155. Go take a cool shower ... read a good book for awhile ... maybe go hug a puppy/kitten or something ... then when you feel you're able to make valid points and argue your point of view in a calm (if a bit curt and angry; that's fine, too) and composed manner, you can come right on back and we can start this over from scratch, without all the insults, accusations, and hostility. What you're doing here is only distracting AWAY from what you're trying to get across, because people are only focusing on HOW you're saying it.
  1156.  
  1157. TLDR answer -- Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill.
  1158.  
  1159. Reply to this post
  1160.                
  1161. Sonious
  1162.        
  1163. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:29 PM
  1164.          FA is to blame for this? 100%? What about Lulz for posting the shit?
  1165.  
  1166. And by the way, your idol Clayton was dancing and cheering when Dragoneer's leaks came out, so when his stuff gets leaked now you feel pity for him? Maybe he shouldn't take pleasure in seeing things done to others he couldn't handle himself.
  1167.  
  1168. Reply to this post
  1169.                
  1170. zachhart12
  1171.        
  1172. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:31 PM
  1173.          I'm with you man!
  1174.  
  1175. Reply to this post
  1176.                
  1177. November
  1178.        
  1179. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:33 PM
  1180.          I fail to understand how you are making excuses for some idiot making his or her password guessable.
  1181.  
  1182. Reply to this post
  1183.                
  1184. Eziel
  1185.        
  1186. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:53 PM
  1187.          Which good friend of yours is suffering?
  1188.  
  1189. Reply to this post
  1190.                
  1191. sperklespice
  1192.        
  1193. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:58 PM
  1194.          Show me info on how it was guessable and whos it was.
  1195.  
  1196. Also if somebody is great with hacking and the like they could crack any password.
  1197.  
  1198. Reply to this post
  1199.                
  1200. Koren-FireSpirit
  1201.        
  1202. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:32 PM
  1203.          you need to chill and let them take care of it without harrassing him. I have seen the notes that were leaked and bitched LULZ.net out cause they are ignorant and for what happened. so leave it be Osoth!!!  
  1204.  
  1205. Reply to this post
  1206.                
  1207. MandaCat1984
  1208.        
  1209. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:02 AM
  1210.          ^This
  1211.  
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  1213.                
  1214. Namiel
  1215.        
  1216. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:26 AM
  1217.          THIS! Sharing information on the internet... You're accepting a risk when you do this on any site, you gotta know that. And nothing against the site, but FA being a smaller site like it is certainly doesn't have the level of security of large e-mail sites and such, not to mention lulz furries and all the hacking attempts on them anyway. It's not the first time the place has been hacked and it's likely not to be the last. I honestly can't say I'm shocked by this situation, and I don't know why anyone else is.
  1218.  
  1219. Also, to some of the harsher commentary on the journal, free site? You have a right to be upset and disappointed, but try to keep it in balance. You get what you pay for, right? And kudos to the donors on that note.
  1220.  
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  1222.                
  1223. dragonzoomer
  1224.        
  1225. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:27 AM
  1226.          get the fuck off FA and stop filling it with your whining. YOU irritate me.
  1227.  
  1228. HES NOT THE ONE AT FAULT, GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF
  1229.  
  1230. Reply to this post
  1231.                
  1232. dragonzoomer
  1233.        
  1234. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:30 AM
  1235.          wtf secure? HAI ITS THE INTERNET! EVEN PAYPAL WAS HACKED AT ONE POINT!
  1236.  
  1237. Reply to this post
  1238.                
  1239. dragonzoomer
  1240.        
  1241. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:35 AM
  1242.          shit man for once i totally agree with ya. people gotta chill and let things happen.
  1243.  
  1244. Reply to this post
  1245.                
  1246. NamelessImp
  1247.        
  1248. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:14 AM
  1249.          i thought it was an admin who got hacked and from there they saw everyone's notes/could delete everything?
  1250.  
  1251. Reply to this post
  1252.                
  1253. beasty101111
  1254.        
  1255. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:33 PM
  1256.          Then why don't you leave and stop screwing with Neer's emotions huh?
  1257.  
  1258. As for Aurora, her phone numbers get hacked every F***ing day from telemarketers so please quiet down. I'm not saying shut up, but if you would please only leave positive comments from now on?
  1259. Anger isn't gonna help this site any.
  1260.  
  1261. As for the contradictory first line... this is the last negative reply from me.
  1262.  
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  1264.                
  1265. Kamunt
  1266.        
  1267. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 03:18 PM
  1268.          lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol
  1269.  
  1270. Everybody just chill. http://raraahahahromaromamagagaoohlala.com/ Let's let this make us all feel better.
  1271.  
  1272. Reply to this post
  1273.                
  1274. Tilt
  1275.        
  1276. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:15 PM
  1277.          You sound like the rest of the idiots because you're ignoring the fact that the flaws in the site security were known to the staff, could have been fixed, and could have prevented this.
  1278.  
  1279. Reply to this post
  1280.                
  1281. dragonzoomer
  1282.        
  1283. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:30 PM
  1284.          well considering that their coders quit or are lazy shits that aint gonna happen, right? i dont see how this is neers fault, he doesnt do the coding.
  1285.  
  1286. Reply to this post
  1287.                
  1288. Talosar
  1289.        
  1290. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:23 AM
  1291.          Is that not understandable, when he is dealing with so much at once?
  1292.  
  1293. Reply to this post
  1294.                
  1295. dingbat
  1296.        
  1297. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:18 PM
  1298.          NEER YOU NEED TO SERVE ME RIGHT NOW
  1299.  
  1300. Reply to this post
  1301.                
  1302. jill0r
  1303.        
  1304. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:22 PM
  1305.          ENTITLED AND WAITING [GETTING REAL MAD NOW, MIGHT USE AN ANGRY EMOTICON]
  1306.  
  1307. Reply to this post
  1308.                
  1309. dingbat
  1310.        
  1311. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  1312.          i TOTALLY PAY TO USE THIS SITES SERVICES. this is SUCH INJUSTICE
  1313. oh wait no i didn't
  1314.  
  1315. Reply to this post
  1316.                
  1317. Tilt
  1318.        
  1319. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:27 PM
  1320.          USING CAPS LOCK ALLOWS ME TO GET MY POINT ACROSS, WHETHER OR NOT IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.
  1321.  
  1322. Seriously? You're pulling the "Site is free, don't complain about it" bullshit?
  1323.  
  1324. The site administrators have a responsibility to to the users with reasonable expectations of security, free or not.
  1325.  
  1326.  
  1327.  
  1328.  
  1329.  
  1330. Reply to this post
  1331.                
  1332. AvivaShywolf
  1333.        
  1334. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:46 PM
  1335.          CAPSLOCK IS FOR SARCASM
  1336.  
  1337. EXCEPT FOR THAT
  1338.  
  1339. AND THAT
  1340. AND THAT
  1341. AND THAT
  1342. AND THAT
  1343.  
  1344. Reply to this post
  1345.                
  1346. jill0r
  1347.        
  1348. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:28 AM
  1349.          why'd you take that seriously
  1350. hmmmmmmmmm
  1351.  
  1352. Reply to this post
  1353.                
  1354. Tilt
  1355.        
  1356. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:44 AM
  1357.          You guys obviously aren't.
  1358.  
  1359.  
  1360. Reply to this post
  1361.                
  1362. dragonzoomer
  1363.        
  1364. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:42 AM
  1365.          yes. which they can do after they take care of their REAL PAID jobs in REAL LIFE.
  1366.  
  1367. Reply to this post
  1368.                
  1369. Tilt
  1370.        
  1371. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:12 PM
  1372.          Keep digging a hole, your logic isn't escaping out anytime soon.
  1373.  
  1374. Reply to this post
  1375.                
  1376. dragonzoomer
  1377.        
  1378. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:32 PM
  1379.          what are YOU doing to help anyhow? bitching and whining doesnt do a single fucking thing so whats the point?
  1380.  
  1381. Reply to this post
  1382.                
  1383. dingbat
  1384.        
  1385. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  1386.          i TOTALLY PAY TO USE THIS SITES SERVICES. this is SUCH INJUSTICE
  1387. oh wait no i didn't
  1388.  
  1389. Reply to this post
  1390.                
  1391. AvivaShywolf
  1392.        
  1393. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:47 PM
  1394.          BITCH, MOVE! I'M MORE GODDAMN ENTITLED THAN YOU ARE! FUCKING COMMIE!
  1395.  
  1396. Reply to this post
  1397.                
  1398. jill0r
  1399.        
  1400. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 03:57 AM
  1401.         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwhRQYf--KM
  1402.  
  1403. Reply to this post
  1404.                
  1405. Talonblaze
  1406.        
  1407. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:19 PM
  1408.          Still doesn't explain the de-admin of the admins. But glad to know things are 'secure'.
  1409.  
  1410. Reply to this post
  1411.                
  1412. Dragoneer
  1413.        
  1414. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  1415.          Until we're 100% sure that the entire admin backend is revised, checked, double-checked and triple-checked we're playing it safe.
  1416.  
  1417. Reply to this post
  1418.                
  1419. Talonblaze
  1420.        
  1421. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:25 PM
  1422.          Ah, alright thanks. I wasn't sure if this was the hack result or the site safety protocol. Even if its both, its still good to know that the end result is intentional.
  1423.  
  1424. Reply to this post
  1425.                
  1426. Eziel
  1427.        
  1428. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:33 PM
  1429.          This is why you give very few, and limited people admin ability, and make sure they have up to date firewalls, security, and don't visit random porn download sites.
  1430.  
  1431. Reply to this post
  1432.                
  1433. dragonzoomer
  1434.        
  1435. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:44 AM
  1436.          WAAAT NO PORN?? BUT DIS IS FURRY    
  1437.  
  1438. Reply to this post
  1439.                
  1440. uc
  1441.        
  1442. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:19 PM
  1443.          ummm.... BULL SHIT! YOU LIE!!!
  1444.  
  1445. how we not know that its the real dragoneer and not a fucking impostor trying to get more lulz?
  1446.  
  1447. also damn i hate the fact that some of the people i watched that now have there notes leaked on lulz.net were evil beings.....
  1448.  
  1449. Reply to this post
  1450.                
  1451. zhivagod
  1452.        
  1453. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  1454.          One of those leaks, which I will assume was this one, was a lie http://db.tt/oT8XDQY
  1455.  
  1456. Reply to this post
  1457.                
  1458. uc
  1459.        
  1460. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  1461.          well if she was a loony would you think that be a red flag and do not go fucking with!?
  1462.  
  1463. becides his gallireis blank again so there could have been something else becides that..
  1464.  
  1465. Reply to this post
  1466.                
  1467. Dragoneer
  1468.        
  1469. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:22 PM
  1470.          Because if I and the rest of the team had truly lost our accounts don't you think I'd have pulled the plug on the site?
  1471.  
  1472. Reply to this post
  1473.                
  1474. Cubi
  1475.        
  1476. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:25 PM
  1477.          Or would perhaps be reporting it on Twitter or non-FA journals and the like?
  1478.  
  1479. Sheesh.
  1480.  
  1481. Reply to this post
  1482.                
  1483. uc
  1484.        
  1485. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  1486.          if you lost your account yes....but i still have doubts that even if you and the admins got there accounts back, and plug all the open ports up, and finally get good security,.... fact is after the first time there should not have been such a fail on taking the breach seriously, and the fact that this is the second time makes me really doubt there might not be a final breach in fa, were we all finally decide to say good by to old times dissolve and go our separate ways.
  1487.  
  1488.  
  1489.  
  1490. Reply to this post
  1491.                
  1492. goldanthrowolf1
  1493.        
  1494. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  1495.          I think I pointed that one out clearly. You ARE the damn owner, you SHOULD have pulled the site. Seriously, I know you're just throwing damage control, but trying to pretend you're not in control is a seriously pie in the face for people who know how this stuff goes down.
  1496.  
  1497. Honestly, do you realize HOW man IT people are you are angering alone at all this? I'm sure more people are angered by your mismanagement OF the situation, then the leaks that have appeared.
  1498.  
  1499. Reply to this post
  1500.                
  1501. uc
  1502.        
  1503. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:42 PM
  1504.          then again how the hell you would pull the plug on the site?
  1505.  
  1506. Reply to this post
  1507.                
  1508. goldanthrowolf1
  1509.        
  1510. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:02 PM
  1511.          As the owner, administrator you have the legal/financial/overall say for the website. If your website is housed in a coalition center like FA is, all Dragoneer needs to do is said call center, which most are open 24/7 in case of emergencies, get a hold of the appropriate people, prove to them that he is indeed himself, to which they find the appropriate machine, simply shut down the os, or doing a manual 'flip switch' and killing the machine. It's not rocket science in any sort of degree. It's like telling your relative to turn off/shut down their machine when they call you to say 'somethings wrong with my machine' till you can drive over and take a look at, or fix it. Its not any different, just on a different scale is all. Does that help?
  1512.  
  1513. Reply to this post
  1514.                
  1515. mukichan
  1516.        
  1517. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:02 PM
  1518.          easily as flipping a switch and setting it to offline mode.
  1519.  
  1520. Reply to this post
  1521.                
  1522. Sherman128
  1523.        
  1524. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:23 PM
  1525.          Like   zaush
  1526.  
  1527. Reply to this post
  1528.                
  1529. uc
  1530.        
  1531. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:39 PM
  1532.          yes sence he bailed he must have something to hide becides the snaffu of the evils of his stupidity.
  1533.  
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  1535.                
  1536. zhivagod
  1537.        
  1538. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  1539.          Actually, he was locked out of his account and staff, for some reason, hasn't given it back yet.
  1540.  
  1541. Reply to this post
  1542.                
  1543. Ajna
  1544.        
  1545. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:23 PM
  1546.          lol Jopa, chill. No more impostors. If this was still a hacker, they'd say something more lulzy.
  1547.  
  1548. Reply to this post
  1549.                
  1550. uc
  1551.        
  1552. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:33 PM
  1553.          well..... i don't know.
  1554.  
  1555. Reply to this post
  1556.                
  1557. Shadowill
  1558.        
  1559. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:48 PM
  1560.          that tart doesn't know it neither. she doesn't know that hackers are not stupid enough to reveal their identity.
  1561.  
  1562. Reply to this post
  1563.                
  1564. uc
  1565.        
  1566. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:50 PM
  1567.          excuse me but why you calling her a tart!? :<
  1568.  
  1569. Reply to this post
  1570.                
  1571. Shadowill
  1572.        
  1573. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:58 PM
  1574.         she's more than that
  1575. Reply to this post
  1576.                
  1577. Ajna
  1578.        
  1579. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  1580.          Don't you dare respond to that. :P I know you tend to over react, so please. Let it go. S'all good. <3
  1581. Reply to this post
  1582.                
  1583. uc
  1584.        
  1585. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:36 PM
  1586.          D8 OMG WHY WHY WWWHHHHHYYY....... is you bringing up way to old shit come on every one knew that one it was also drama on fa...
  1587. and why people give a damn if someones growing the green and smoking it.
  1588. though that dose not explaine why you calling ajna a tart! >8C
  1589.  
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  1591.                
  1592. Shadowill
  1593.        
  1594. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:41 PM
  1595.          lol~ nevermind. forget it: i'm a asshole |D
  1596.  
  1597. Reply to this post
  1598.                
  1599. uc
  1600.        
  1601. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:49 PM
  1602.          THEN TELL ME YOUR SORRY ....... and this feels like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi7D.....ure=grec_index
  1603.  
  1604. Reply to this post
  1605.                
  1606. Shadowill
  1607.        
  1608. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:52 PM
  1609.          i'm sorry: I CANNOT SEE THIS VID 8D
  1610.  
  1611. Reply to this post
  1612.                
  1613. uc
  1614.        
  1615. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:15 AM
  1616.          GREAT space balls! you don't have adobe media flash player or shock wave multimedia?
  1617.  
  1618. Reply to this post
  1619.                
  1620. Shadowill
  1621.        
  1622. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:23 AM
  1623.          no: country restrictions :C
  1624.  
  1625. Reply to this post
  1626.                
  1627. Chasowolf666
  1628.        
  1629. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:53 PM
  1630.          well if they were complete idiots who wanted to be found out right away :P besides acting like neer isnt a hard thing to do. Not saying he isnt neer but he does seem very fakey even when I have privately talked to him its like hes been there done that and has it all written down.
  1631.  
  1632. Reply to this post
  1633.                
  1634. Chasowolf666
  1635.        
  1636. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:53 PM
  1637.          well if they were complete idiots who wanted to be found out right away :P besides acting like neer isnt a hard thing to do. Not saying he isnt neer but he does seem very fakey even when I have privately talked to him its like hes been there done that and has it all written down.
  1638.  
  1639. Reply to this post
  1640.                
  1641. Chasowolf666
  1642.        
  1643. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:53 PM
  1644.          well if they were complete idiots who wanted to be found out right away :P besides acting like neer isnt a hard thing to do. Not saying he isnt neer but he does seem very fakey even when I have privately talked to him its like hes been there done that and has it all written down.
  1645.  
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  1647.                
  1648. Shadowill
  1649.        
  1650. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:28 PM
  1651.          how we not know that your the real Uc and not a fucking impostor trying to get more lulz?
  1652.  
  1653. Reply to this post
  1654.                
  1655. uc
  1656.        
  1657. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  1658.          how do we know your not the imposter?
  1659.  
  1660. hell how do we even know people who lost there accounts to hackers are really getting there accounts back you ever think that? @~@;
  1661.  
  1662. or even the ones that left are going to reclame there accounts?
  1663.  
  1664. or the ones with a ton of aired out laundry are going to come back at all?
  1665.  
  1666. dose anyone know if there okay or just enough not to bee feeling like considering suicide would be something good?
  1667.  
  1668. Reply to this post
  1669.                
  1670. Eziel
  1671.        
  1672. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 08:56 AM
  1673.          Who had them leaked?
  1674.  
  1675. Reply to this post
  1676.                
  1677. uc
  1678.        
  1679. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:12 PM
  1680.          hacker(s) got into an admin account and cause the admins had the ability to basically get into all your stuff including fa notes at there leisure the hacker(s) so the hacker(s) got into all the admin accounts looked through everyone's notes and any juicy information that's personal or a tid bit of horrable criminal activity they pasted on lulz.net /furi/, and probably ED, 4CHAN, etc?
  1681.  
  1682.  
  1683. by the way this journals got too many ppl commenting and my pc is too damn old now to deal with it. may i ask if you can respond by note? ^^;
  1684.  
  1685. Reply to this post
  1686.                
  1687. chetchaka
  1688.        
  1689. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:19 PM
  1690.          Gonna change your status back to Admin soon?
  1691.  
  1692. Reply to this post
  1693.                
  1694. summercat
  1695.        
  1696. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  1697.          When the people working on the solutions feel the site is secure, admins will be restored.
  1698.  
  1699. Reply to this post
  1700.                
  1701. Cobine
  1702.        
  1703. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:19 PM
  1704.          hope things get fixed soon
  1705.  
  1706. Reply to this post
  1707.                
  1708. EthanBlack
  1709.        
  1710. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:19 PM
  1711.          You STILL have my sword, oh Overlord!
  1712.  
  1713. Reply to this post
  1714.                
  1715. DreadDenimPirate
  1716.        
  1717. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  1718.          AND MY AXE!
  1719.  
  1720. Reply to this post
  1721.                
  1722. summercat
  1723.        
  1724. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:52 PM
  1725.          And my pies!
  1726.  
  1727. Reply to this post
  1728.                
  1729. missmab
  1730.        
  1731. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:00 PM
  1732.          And this 25 cents I found under the couch!
  1733.  
  1734. Reply to this post
  1735.                
  1736. Shadowill
  1737.        
  1738. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:09 PM
  1739.          And the couch i found under this 25 cents
  1740.  
  1741. Reply to this post
  1742.                
  1743. Aresues
  1744.        
  1745. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:20 PM
  1746.          I congratulate the admin team for working so hard and so swiftly to return FA to normal. You guys did good. Now, let's find these hackers and let them burn in everlasting hellfire
  1747.  
  1748. Reply to this post
  1749.                
  1750. Chasowolf666
  1751.        
  1752. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  1753.          then turn back to the admins who helped criminals and question them :P
  1754.  
  1755. Reply to this post
  1756.                
  1757. Shoki
  1758.        
  1759. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:20 PM
  1760.          This is really no more helpful. Deleting journals because people called you out on what you wrote and then just copy/pasting a new message (without even fixing the grammar error) is really not handling things.
  1761.  
  1762. Reply to this post
  1763.                
  1764. troc_9116
  1765.        
  1766. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  1767.          I agree with this post
  1768.  
  1769. I can't wait till 4chan gets this info on Sean here
  1770.  
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  1772.                
  1773. thewhitedragon
  1774.        
  1775. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:20 PM
  1776.          and like I said before, please.. many people are eager to help, just dont turn them out just because you think you're gonna lose your control.
  1777. you should review any security suggestions and fixes man :/
  1778.  
  1779. think in the way of the open source fundation.
  1780. some people tell what bugs are there, others will fix them..
  1781. if you dont fix them, they will pile and another bullshit like yesterday will happen.
  1782.  
  1783. Reply to this post
  1784.                
  1785. deishido
  1786.        
  1787. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:20 PM
  1788.          Again, I believe that unaffected users are getting involved in affairs that dont directly affect them. Personal information, even after it's in the light, should still be treated as personal information (If you are one of the 41, then I honestly feel bad for you.)
  1789.  
  1790. Hey Neer, If you'd like a third party to talk to about anything, I'm here (and I'm certain that there are many others willing to have a sensible conversation)
  1791.  
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  1793.                
  1794. Stormslegacy
  1795.        
  1796. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  1797.          Thanks for all the hard work you're doing. It's...moronic that people are treating you this badly for what ultimately is a thankless labor of love =/
  1798.  
  1799. Mistakes happen, my condolences to the victims affected, but ultimately I hope the site improves because of it.
  1800.  
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  1802.                
  1803. KingDead
  1804.        
  1805. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  1806.          So will you be firing all the admins and starting fresh? It really seems like it's time to due to gross incompetence on their part for letting this happen to begin with. Password security for such high-level personal should not be that lax. Please just shut down the site and review your security policies if that is what it takes to get it worked out.
  1807.  
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  1809.                
  1810. dq405
  1811.        
  1812. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:25 PM
  1813.          Advice worth hearing.
  1814.  
  1815. Reply to this post
  1816.                
  1817. makuyi
  1818.        
  1819. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:26 PM
  1820.          seconded
  1821.  
  1822. Reply to this post
  1823.                
  1824. summercat
  1825.        
  1826. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:33 PM
  1827.          Alas, if only the issue was as simple as just someone getting the right username/password combo! If that's even how they got in, they got the password of someone who had been an admin for maybe a week, tops.
  1828.  
  1829. That said, yes, there has been a serious talk about password security among staff, and a review of security procedures.
  1830.  
  1831. Reply to this post
  1832.                
  1833. KingDead
  1834.        
  1835. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:44 PM
  1836.          Please just fire the admins, especially the one who caused this as a show of trying to fix things. They may have just started, but it'll restore my confidence in the system if you correctly punish those whose actions damage it.
  1837.  
  1838. As for passwords, at a minimum, a dual-level authentication. A rotating key in addition to a highly-complex password that requires a re-authentication every 5 to 10 minutes any time admin-level access is needed. You shouldn't have your normal password give you to the keys to the kingdom if you log in with it.
  1839.  
  1840. Reply to this post
  1841.                
  1842. summercat
  1843.        
  1844. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  1845.          Why fire the admins over something that wasn't in their control? None of the admins caused this situation - in the worst case scenario, ONE admin had poor passwording skills.
  1846.  
  1847.  
  1848.  
  1849. Reply to this post
  1850.                
  1851. KingDead
  1852.        
  1853. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:03 PM
  1854.          All the more reason to fire them. It's completely irresponsible on their part to be using such a weak password for critical access.
  1855.  
  1856. Reply to this post
  1857.                
  1858. summercat
  1859.        
  1860. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:12 PM
  1861.          I wouldn't really. Like I said elsewhere, the admin in question had been doing it for less than a week at this point - I dno't expect this person to be 100% on the ball with everything right away.
  1862.  
  1863. And even then, that's IF that's how they got in, which it might not be. The password issue was the original thought back when this was a one day event.
  1864.  
  1865. Reply to this post
  1866.                
  1867. Drakea_Snowpaw
  1868.        
  1869. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:43 PM
  1870.          Assuming that the password was poor to begin with.
  1871.  
  1872. How easily it is to accuse one of being in the blame when you yourself would not want the same forced upon yourself.
  1873.  
  1874. I mean, unless you go around and blame yourself for everything that may or may not be your fault, in which case I'd have to comment upon your mental stability.
  1875.  
  1876. Reply to this post
  1877.                
  1878. miyevskr
  1879.        
  1880. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 05:44 PM
  1881.          Hey, ho... late passing by.
  1882.  
  1883. > I wouldn't really. Like I said elsewhere, the admin in question had been doing it for less than a week at this point - I dno't expect this person to be 100% on the ball with everything right away.
  1884.  
  1885. Strong passwords for admins /were/ mandated and needed to be unique; that was even before the packet sniffing fiasco (which could have been avoided if stealth admin users had been used in public domain, as recommended).
  1886. No excuse for "not 100%", sorry, since that should have been covered in induction.
  1887.  
  1888. The ability to view user notes had also been removed from other admins and restricted to yak and D., I thought. Did that get set up again?
  1889.  
  1890. Anyhow... if y'all are needing any assistance with firefighting or suchlike, feel free to shout over. I won't barge in, since I'm late passing by and you do (thankfully) have a few more visible staff nowadays than used to be the case.
  1891.  
  1892. Regards & Best wishes,
  1893. David/uncia
  1894.  
  1895. Reply to this post
  1896.                
  1897. miyevskr
  1898.        
  1899. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 05:44 PM
  1900.          Hey, ho... late passing by.
  1901.  
  1902. > I wouldn't really. Like I said elsewhere, the admin in question had been doing it for less than a week at this point - I dno't expect this person to be 100% on the ball with everything right away.
  1903.  
  1904. Strong passwords for admins /were/ mandated and needed to be unique; that was even before the packet sniffing fiasco (which could have been avoided if stealth admin users had been used in public domain, as recommended).
  1905. No excuse for "not 100%", sorry, since that should have been covered in induction.
  1906.  
  1907. The ability to view user notes had also been removed from other admins and restricted to yak and D., I thought. Did that get set up again?
  1908.  
  1909. Anyhow... if y'all are needing any assistance with firefighting or suchlike, feel free to shout over. I won't barge in, since I'm late passing by and you do (thankfully) have a few more visible staff nowadays than used to be the case.
  1910.  
  1911. Regards & Best wishes,
  1912. David/uncia
  1913.  
  1914.  
  1915. Reply to this post
  1916.                
  1917. miyevskr
  1918.        
  1919. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 05:45 PM
  1920.          (comments still ain't going under the right place, either...)
  1921.  
  1922. Reply to this post
  1923.                
  1924. Voidrunners
  1925.        
  1926. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:16 PM
  1927.          I hate to agree with the guy above, but if you're in a position where you have a pile of responsibilities, and a poor password could cause this sort of shit to get flung around, then they really should have that sorted and get at least some punishment for it. Possibly not to the point of sacking, but there you go. Someone done fucked up, so intentional or not, some censure may be required.
  1928.  
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  1930.                
  1931. summercat
  1932.        
  1933. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:25 PM
  1934.          I don't think anyone said that the admin in question wasn't going to be reprimanded in some fashion. However, that's up between 'neer and the admin in question.
  1935.  
  1936. Reply to this post
  1937.                
  1938. Voidrunners
  1939.        
  1940. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:36 PM
  1941.          Could of sworn I saw someone say somewhere that they weren't.
  1942.  
  1943. Hmm.
  1944.  
  1945. Either way, yes, it should in theory be between Dragoneer and whoever caused the lapse. However what I have been seeing is a whole load of people either losing confidence, talking of migrating to other sites or openly criticising the staff/owners/coders. Making it publicly known that action was taken against the leaker might restore some of that confidence, and if done right could happen without the guilty party being named.
  1946.  
  1947. Admin keeps job, avoids harassment, public gets assurance it's not a case of Dragoneer sitting back and not caring.
  1948.  
  1949. FA as it stands has some pretty major problems with public relations. Not enough generally required info is filtering down to the users, which leads to an atmosphere of distrust. Things might be happening behind the scenes, but to the users it's just empty promises until results appear. And this now has no actual relevance to what I started talking about.
  1950.  
  1951. Fuck it.
  1952.  
  1953. Reply to this post
  1954.                
  1955. summercat
  1956.        
  1957. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:39 PM
  1958.          Heh, I understand topic drift.
  1959.  
  1960. Look, I'm not privy to all the admin discussions. I don't know what is going to happen, or what is planned. I will offer my suggestions to the admins, and see what they think.
  1961.  
  1962. However, whatever happens, I don't think it'll happen until the site stablizes and everyone can take a breath.
  1963.  
  1964. Reply to this post
  1965.                
  1966. Voidrunners
  1967.        
  1968. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:42 PM
  1969.          Oh, I wasn't ragging on you or anyone in particular. It was a spontaneous flypast comment with a hint of topic drift.
  1970.  
  1971. I blame the otters. They made me do it.
  1972.  
  1973. Reply to this post
  1974.                
  1975. summercat
  1976.        
  1977. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:44 PM
  1978.          Otters always get the blame D:
  1979.  
  1980. Reply to this post
  1981.                
  1982. Voidrunners
  1983.        
  1984. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:48 PM
  1985.          Fucking otters. How do they work?
  1986.  
  1987. Reply to this post
  1988.                
  1989. summercat
  1990.        
  1991. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  1992.          Well, let me show you how fucking an otter works.
  1993.  
  1994. ....>.>;;
  1995.  
  1996. Reply to this post
  1997.                
  1998. Voidrunners
  1999.        
  2000. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:40 PM
  2001.          Oh god.
  2002.  
  2003. Reply to this post
  2004.                
  2005. Habsburg-Chin
  2006.        
  2007. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:38 PM
  2008.          Good suggestion.
  2009.  
  2010. Reply to this post
  2011.                
  2012. Kabangeh
  2013.        
  2014. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  2015.          we we hacked
  2016.  
  2017. BME Pain Olympics?
  2018.  
  2019.  
  2020. Reply to this post
  2021.                
  2022. makuyi
  2023.        
  2024. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  2025.          your icon is amazing lol. just had to say it
  2026.  
  2027. Reply to this post
  2028.                
  2029. Groovefox
  2030.        
  2031. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  2032.          EU and UK users might actually have legal cause against this site due to their respective data protection laws (which are DAMN TOUGH as ACS:Law is figuring out,) so I'd just suggest keeping the site down until things are truly 'fixed.'
  2033.  
  2034. Seriously, your current actions are pretty much dangerous ones, not only for your users but for you as well.
  2035.  
  2036.  
  2037. Reply to this post
  2038.                
  2039. makuyi
  2040.        
  2041. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  2042.          yeah. id have to agree. im outraged at some of the things that have come out.
  2043.  
  2044. Reply to this post
  2045.                
  2046. Groovefox
  2047.        
  2048. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:39 PM
  2049.          Upon further review, with the current treaties the USA/Canada have with the UK/EU, those foreign users DO have actionable cause if and ONLY if they had any of their personal data leaked.
  2050.  
  2051. Not only are the 'hackers' guilty by the 1998 UKDPA, but technically so is the entire FA staff due to easily demonstrable negligence.
  2052.  
  2053. I reiterate, the site, for its own security, the security of its users, and security of its admins, needs to fully shut down and undergo absolute re-structuring from the motherboard-up.
  2054.  
  2055. Reply to this post
  2056.                
  2057. makuyi
  2058.        
  2059. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:42 PM
  2060.          would be a good idea
  2061.  
  2062. Reply to this post
  2063.                
  2064. redfoxnudetoons
  2065.        
  2066. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  2067.          You are aware that this isn't over, right?
  2068.  
  2069. http://lulz.net/furi/res/1384572.html
  2070.  
  2071. 11pm EPT there will be another attack.
  2072.  
  2073. Then again, why am I bothering to type this?
  2074.  
  2075. You have never listened to me before.
  2076.  
  2077. I'm not telling you this for your sake. I'm only telling you for the users of this site.
  2078.  
  2079. Reply to this post
  2080.                
  2081. dq405
  2082.        
  2083. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:22 PM
  2084.          Thanks for letting us know.
  2085.  
  2086. Reply to this post
  2087.                
  2088. troc_9116
  2089.        
  2090. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:22 PM
  2091.          Oh yes I am waiting for this I got my popcorn ready
  2092.  
  2093. Reply to this post
  2094.                
  2095. Mousey-kun
  2096.        
  2097. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:24 PM
  2098.          dragooneer is a rather unhealthy overweight man in his 30's who thinks he's a purple dinosaur. What...are...you....expecting.
  2099.  
  2100. All you people have this weird unexplained faith in this man, when most normal adults would steer away from him a mile away. Its like you guys line up to be disappointed.
  2101.  
  2102. Reply to this post
  2103.                
  2104. redfoxnudetoons
  2105.        
  2106. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:26 PM
  2107.          Uh, no.
  2108.  
  2109. Like I said, I'm only doing this for YOU, the users.
  2110.  
  2111. Honestly, I don't have too much faith that he will even bother to read my post. That or suspend me again for some dumb reason when I'm only trying to help the betterment of the site.
  2112.  
  2113. =>.>=
  2114.  
  2115. Reply to this post
  2116.                
  2117. Mousey-kun
  2118.        
  2119. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:29 PM
  2120.          The sad part is, thats not even a troll, thats just the plain god damn truth.
  2121.  
  2122. Reply to this post
  2123.                
  2124. Vandell
  2125.        
  2126. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:24 PM
  2127.          In all likelihood it's just an opportunistic post trying to drum up a lulz. Ergo it was posted on lulz.net.
  2128.  
  2129. Reply to this post
  2130.                
  2131. redfoxnudetoons
  2132.        
  2133. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  2134.          And yet the admin PMs were leaked onto Lulz.net but the hacker(s) first.
  2135.  
  2136. Reply to this post
  2137.                
  2138. Vandell
  2139.        
  2140. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:30 PM
  2141.          Here's the rudimentary timeline for you.
  2142.  
  2143. Site hacked > notes leaked > someone claiming to be IK says they're going to attack the site at 11pm.
  2144.  
  2145. Yes, seems like nothing more than an opportunistic thread to me, just trying to stir some shit.
  2146.  
  2147. Reply to this post
  2148.                
  2149. redfoxnudetoons
  2150.        
  2151. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:33 PM
  2152.          Better to take precaution, then to ignore the warnings, Like with EEVEE......
  2153.  
  2154. He actually warned 'Neer about the security hole, and 'Neer ignored him, and then he showed that it was a serious flaw. Then was permabanned for it.
  2155.  
  2156. Reply to this post
  2157.                
  2158. Tracker623
  2159.        
  2160. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:36 PM
  2161.          He gave them 24 hours to do something about it. Should have given them at least a week. The coders do have lives outside of FA you know...
  2162.  
  2163. Reply to this post
  2164.                
  2165. redfoxnudetoons
  2166.        
  2167. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:42 PM
  2168.          You mean coder. As in singular. and 'Neer could have said something to him, like at least tell him that Yak would make it a top priority.
  2169.  
  2170. Reply to this post
  2171.                
  2172. Tracker623
  2173.        
  2174. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:48 PM
  2175.          Alright then, one coder for a site that has no income with which to hire another.
  2176.  
  2177. And why should he have to say anything to him about it outside of "thanks for telling us"?
  2178.  
  2179. You guys need to stop treating FA like it's a be-all/end-all furry site/business and start treating it like what it is:
  2180.  
  2181. A /free/ website run by someone who pays /out of pocket/ to keep it's servers running and who makes /no money/ doing so.
  2182.  
  2183. Reply to this post
  2184.                
  2185. redfoxnudetoons
  2186.        
  2187. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:52 PM
  2188.        
  2189. And why should he have to say anything to him about it outside of "thanks for telling us"?
  2190.  
  2191.  
  2192. apparently, not even that happened.
  2193.  
  2194. You guys
  2195.  
  2196.  
  2197. I treat is what it is:
  2198.  
  2199. A website that is dependent on it's users to keep the site up and running.
  2200.  
  2201. Reply to this post
  2202.                
  2203. TIM-ber-wolf
  2204.        
  2205. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:01 PM
  2206.          You forgot to mention that he also has a full-time job.
  2207.  
  2208. Reply to this post
  2209.                
  2210. Tracker623
  2211.        
  2212. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:33 PM
  2213.          They don't wanna hear that part though. It's deflates their argument.
  2214.  
  2215. Reply to this post
  2216.                
  2217. TIM-ber-wolf
  2218.        
  2219. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:57 PM
  2220.          What a pity for them...
  2221.  
  2222. Reply to this post
  2223.                
  2224. eryshefalafel
  2225.        
  2226. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:39 PM
  2227.          No such time zone as EPT. What a fucking retard.
  2228.  
  2229. Reply to this post
  2230.                
  2231. redfoxnudetoons
  2232.        
  2233. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:43 PM
  2234.          EPT, EST whatever.
  2235.  
  2236. Typos suck.
  2237.  
  2238. Reply to this post
  2239.                
  2240. Sigil
  2241.        
  2242. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  2243.          EASTERN PACIFIC TIME.
  2244.  
  2245. Reply to this post
  2246.                
  2247. Sigil
  2248.        
  2249. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  2250.          I THINK THATS JAPAN ACTUALLY
  2251.  
  2252. Reply to this post
  2253.                
  2254. Voidrunners
  2255.        
  2256. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:19 PM
  2257.          If it isn't Insane Kangaroo, then it's just a poor attempt at trolling.
  2258.  
  2259. If it is Insane Kangaroo, he's a flailing retard anyway. Nobody gives a shit about him, and he has to try and grasp attention by being a psychotic waste of space. The only thing he will ever do that anybody cares about, is the inevitable college shooting.
  2260.  
  2261. Reply to this post
  2262.                
  2263. summercat
  2264.        
  2265. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:26 PM
  2266.          It's not. I have confirmation it's not his IP, and IK doesn't go for doublethink.
  2267.  
  2268. Reply to this post
  2269.                
  2270. redfoxnudetoons
  2271.        
  2272. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:10 PM
  2273.          At least there is that.
  2274.  
  2275. IK is a real pain in the ass...
  2276.  
  2277. Reply to this post
  2278.                
  2279. Lascivus_Lutra
  2280.        
  2281. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:40 PM
  2282.          Your link was blocked by my lappy as a malicious link...  
  2283.  
  2284. Reply to this post
  2285.                
  2286. redfoxnudetoons
  2287.        
  2288. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:10 PM
  2289.          lol...
  2290.  
  2291. Lulz is malicious in it's userbase being out for blood... But I've never seen it get blocked by an antivirus program....
  2292.  
  2293. Must be because of an add or something. I auto-block all adds on every site...
  2294.  
  2295. Reply to this post
  2296.                
  2297. Gaskarth
  2298.        
  2299. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 05:52 PM
  2300.          Okay now this is starting to scare me.
  2301.  
  2302. Reply to this post
  2303.                
  2304. dq405
  2305.        
  2306. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  2307.          There is no easy way to say this:
  2308.  
  2309. You might want to think about the advice you give to women who entrust you with information about sexual harrassment or even -- the term could be applicable here -- rape.
  2310.  
  2311. Yes, there are things that do not happen on the site, and there are stories that can be hard to verify... but they do involve people who use the site for their own advancement, to gain fans, followers, or targets. Popularity should never be a shield from inquiry, and counsel should be given with extreme care.
  2312.  
  2313. It's not an easy position to find yourself in, but there must be more effective and more sensitive ways to deal with such matters.
  2314.  
  2315.  
  2316.  
  2317.  
  2318. Mark
  2319.  
  2320. Reply to this post
  2321.                
  2322. makuyi
  2323.        
  2324. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:29 PM
  2325.          agreement in full. i am DISGUSTED by said advice. im appalled that an admin of all people would say something like that
  2326.  
  2327. Reply to this post
  2328.                
  2329. BridgeportCat
  2330.        
  2331. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:29 PM
  2332.          ^^^this^^^
  2333.  
  2334. Reply to this post
  2335.                
  2336. tcyk89
  2337.        
  2338. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:33 PM
  2339.          ^ THIS.
  2340.  
  2341. Reply to this post
  2342.                
  2343. Habsburg-Chin
  2344.        
  2345. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  2346.          ^
  2347. That.
  2348.  
  2349. Reply to this post
  2350.                
  2351. Dragoneer
  2352.        
  2353. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  2354.          What he did was not illegal, and I did not feel it was rape. Did he pressure? Yes, but the person said no and did the respectful thing and stood their ground. And I respect that.
  2355.  
  2356. But what Zaush did was NOT rape. Still, it's completely understandable for them not to feel comfortable by his actions, feel they were pushing the limit. And this has happened to a few people, but rape? I see no evidence of rape.
  2357.  
  2358. I told her if she felt comfortable in doing so to voice her opinion, but that she'd expect to be countered unless she had some people to back her up or had similar experiences.
  2359.  
  2360. Reply to this post
  2361.                
  2362. wraywolfe
  2363.        
  2364. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  2365.          consent under duress IS rape actually. Rape doesn't need to be violent or forceful to be rape. Coercion and intimidation factor into the definition of rape.
  2366.  
  2367. Reply to this post
  2368.                
  2369. Vera
  2370.        
  2371. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:49 PM
  2372.          This :/
  2373.  
  2374. Reply to this post
  2375.                
  2376. Wolfbird
  2377.        
  2378. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:14 PM
  2379.          This. Been there, done that. Some people are really fucking mean and manipulative and it should NEVER be tolerated no matter how popular they are.
  2380.  
  2381. For the record, I am not looking for symptahy. I've moved on. I'm just LIVID this happened to someone else in the first place. Do you have any idea how dirty it makes you feel? It's not something that washes off with soap.
  2382.  
  2383. Reply to this post
  2384.                
  2385. BridgeportCat
  2386.        
  2387. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:49 PM
  2388.          Hugs forever, man.
  2389.  
  2390. Reply to this post
  2391.                
  2392. Dirtiran
  2393.        
  2394. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:55 PM
  2395.          Its called "grooming" and it is never OK. Over here, especially if they are younger its a criminal offense.
  2396.  
  2397. Reply to this post
  2398.                
  2399. necronomicon
  2400.        
  2401. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  2402.          Rape isn't just forcing someone down with physical strength.
  2403.  
  2404. Reply to this post
  2405.                
  2406. wraywolfe
  2407.        
  2408. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  2409.          Good job not taking sides, by the way.
  2410.  
  2411. Oh, up until this post, that you just made.
  2412.  
  2413. Reply to this post
  2414.                
  2415. dq405
  2416.        
  2417. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  2418.          >>I see no evidence of rape.
  2419.  
  2420. Dragoneer, she wasn't asking you to be a legal expert, she was asking you for help.
  2421.  
  2422. >>I told her if she felt comfortable in doing so to voice her opinion, but that she'd expect to be countered unless she had some people to back her up or had similar experiences.
  2423.  
  2424. Would it have been so impossible for you to say, "You can expect to be countered, but I will do everything I can to protect you on the site until the truth becomes known"?
  2425.  
  2426. Reply to this post
  2427.                
  2428. goldanthrowolf1
  2429.        
  2430. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:42 PM
  2431.          You're best advice, seriously, when this arises is to simply say, "I do not wish to talk about it at this time." rather then making some other cover story.
  2432.  
  2433. Reply to this post
  2434.                
  2435. Monkeykitten
  2436.        
  2437. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  2438.          Okay... I just... Publicly voicing opinions about this... Not professional... Stunned.
  2439.  
  2440. Reply to this post
  2441.                
  2442. Groovefox
  2443.        
  2444. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:46 PM
  2445.          "But what Zaush did was NOT rape."
  2446.  
  2447. Multiple states across the entire USA have confirmed and set precedent that sex by coercion is defacto rape, however it depends upon the type of coercion as to whether or not the rape charge sticks.
  2448.  
  2449. Federal Title X.
  2450.  
  2451. You could stand to do some brushing up on the law if you're going to run a business.
  2452.  
  2453. Reply to this post
  2454.                
  2455. goldanthrowolf1
  2456.        
  2457. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:04 PM
  2458.          ^This
  2459.  
  2460. Reply to this post
  2461.                
  2462. Sigil
  2463.        
  2464. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  2465.          oh 'Neer >___<
  2466.  
  2467. Reply to this post
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  2469.                
  2470. AssButt
  2471.        
  2472. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:01 PM
  2473.          Uhhh yeah
  2474.  
  2475. Keep diggin that hole there
  2476.  
  2477. That's so professional bro
  2478. Reply to this post
  2479.                
  2480. Kitstaa
  2481.        
  2482. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:08 PM
  2483.          MAN ZAUSH AINT RAPED NOBODY
  2484. ITS COOL BRO
  2485. WE COOL BRO!?
  2486. Reply to this post
  2487.                
  2488. AssButt
  2489.        
  2490. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:15 PM
  2491.          yeah yeah brosef
  2492. *FIST BUNP*
  2493. Reply to this post
  2494.                
  2495. Renard_V
  2496.        
  2497. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:21 PM
  2498.          holy crap
  2499. Reply to this post
  2500.                
  2501. WhiteWingedDemon
  2502.        
  2503. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:21 PM
  2504.          ...I've tried for a long time to respect you, but I really no longer can.
  2505.  
  2506. If you don't see that as rape, I am highly suspect of your judgement. As well as being highly disgusted.
  2507. Reply to this post
  2508.                
  2509. zeropointG
  2510.        
  2511. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:36 PM
  2512.          ^Agreed
  2513. Reply to this post
  2514.                
  2515. Dallas
  2516.        
  2517. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:27 PM
  2518.          Rape does to have to be forceful. This was rape by manipualtion and mental domination through fear. They went along with it because they were scared what he would do if his advances were resisted.
  2519. Do you have any idea how foolish and completely insensitive you just made yourself look!?
  2520. Reply to this post
  2521.                
  2522. Dallas
  2523.        
  2524. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:31 PM
  2525.          and you run this website? I'm absolutely disgusted.
  2526.  
  2527. Reply to this post
  2528.                
  2529. CHICAGO-lollie
  2530.        
  2531. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:28 PM
  2532.          You must have skipped the part where she expressed that she feared Zaush would harm her if she did not oblige.
  2533.  
  2534. Reply to this post
  2535.                
  2536. AirGuiTaR
  2537.        
  2538. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:32 PM
  2539.        
  2540. But what Zaush did was NOT rape. And this has happened to a few people, but rape? I see no evidence of rape.
  2541.  
  2542.  
  2543. I don't think that's your call at all. This is SUCH an insensitive comment to post on the matter.
  2544.  
  2545.  
  2546.  
  2547. Reply to this post
  2548.                
  2549. FoxBolt
  2550.        
  2551. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:33 PM
  2552.          This is the most stupid, and retard statement I have ever heard. I guess with   zaush being one of your favorite artists, you just had to suck on a dick and say this. Way to dig your grave a mile deep.
  2553.  
  2554.  
  2555. Reply to this post
  2556.                
  2557. EverboundVenvel
  2558.        
  2559. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:45 PM
  2560.          It should still have been brought to the attention of the police, IMHO. No offense, but the law should be calling the shots in this sort of situation.
  2561.  
  2562. Reply to this post
  2563.                
  2564. RedDD
  2565.        
  2566. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:47 PM
  2567.          But taking absolutely NO action at all after receiving such a piece of correspondence from a member of your own userbase? Regardless of whether or not there was embelishment, stretching the truth, or outright lying on her part, such a claim on her behalf warrants a measure of investigation; the response she got was utterly inappropriate at best and completely shameful at worst. It churned my gut to read it.
  2568.  
  2569. I have to hear about sociopathic, mysodgynistic bastards like Zaush every day at Court; the fact he was seemingly shielded from scrutiny after what had to be taken as a reasonable call for alarm from this user makes me feel dreadful.
  2570.  
  2571. Reply to this post
  2572.                
  2573. AirGuiTaR
  2574.        
  2575. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:59 PM
  2576.          ^This.
  2577. How come a horsefucker has the FBI called on him for animal abuse when he was reported on FA and this case was seemingly shoved under the rug??
  2578.  
  2579. I mean, of course FA aren't about to call the cops on Zaush, but it sure doesnt seem like it's being treated as a very serious matter by the admins that she came to for HELP.
  2580.  
  2581. Reply to this post
  2582.                
  2583. dragonzoomer
  2584.        
  2585. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:05 AM
  2586.          honestly she shoulda gone to the COPS not random people who run a website.
  2587.  
  2588. Reply to this post
  2589.                
  2590. AirGuiTaR
  2591.        
  2592. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:15 AM
  2593.          I 100% agree with you!
  2594.  
  2595. Reply to this post
  2596.                
  2597. WolfPupTK
  2598.        
  2599. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:59 PM
  2600.          Dude.... you just dropped their names? There are people like me, who prior to reading your post did not know who was involved in such notes...
  2601.  
  2602. Reply to this post
  2603.                
  2604. Kesteh
  2605.        
  2606. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:20 PM
  2607.          They would have eventually found out. That specific leak is getting around fast.
  2608.  
  2609. Reply to this post
  2610.                
  2611. zachhart12
  2612.        
  2613. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:37 PM
  2614.          lmao everyone hates dragoneer...this is hilarious isn't it wolfpup? neer is such a moron and disgusts me
  2615. Reply to this post
  2616.                
  2617. WolfPupTK
  2618.        
  2619. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:58 AM
  2620.          I don't think it's funny at all. :(
  2621. Reply to this post
  2622.                
  2623. zachhart12
  2624.        
  2625. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:21 AM
  2626.          o.o v.v
  2627. Reply to this post
  2628.                
  2629. beachfox
  2630.        
  2631. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:07 PM
  2632.          Wow.
  2633. And there goes any respect I had for you, gone in an instant.
  2634. Coerced sex is rape. Coerced sex with violence is violent rape.
  2635. Which is why Violent Rape is a term. As opposed to just having Rape, you see.
  2636. If he pressured her into having sex when she did not want to, that's rape.
  2637.  
  2638. I'm just..
  2639. I really don't know what to say.
  2640.  
  2641. Reply to this post
  2642.                
  2643. BridgeportCat
  2644.        
  2645. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:10 PM
  2646.          If you do not step down and FA does not get a new admin, I'm gone. I know, I'm just some flappy nobody, but many MANY people have been victimized like that on this site and I will not stand nor support an administration that believes that coerced rape isn't rape.
  2647. I do not trust you anymore. I have written notes to you about my fears regarding rape problems on this site and now I'm worried about what your reaction was to them. But that's neither here nor there, the main problem is that this is not the attitude of someone I want to support in any way.
  2648. Step. Down.
  2649. Reply to this post
  2650.                
  2651. LusoPakak
  2652.        
  2653. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:26 PM
  2654.          dude reworded it downwards tho
  2655. Reply to this post
  2656.                
  2657. RyRokossovsky
  2658.        
  2659. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:42 PM
  2660.          I'll stand with Bridgeport.
  2661.  
  2662. Reply to this post
  2663.                
  2664. subversive-imaginati
  2665.        
  2666. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:14 PM
  2667.        
  2668. Dragoneer,
  2669.  
  2670. I'm disappointed in you; Cohercion is still rape. Admittedly I would have also been concerned about harassment if she gave up her anonymity (for her sake at least since while harassers can be booted, it's not very nice to be harassed for daring to speak the truth) but I would have encouraged her to speak to either a councillor or someone in an appropriate public service position such as a policeperson.
  2671.  
  2672. It's not your job to decide whether something constitutes rape or not.
  2673. Reply to this post
  2674.                
  2675. Renard_V
  2676.        
  2677. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:20 PM
  2678.          did you just drop somebody else's name! christ almighty, i didn't even know anybody else was involved! stop! you can't dig UP!
  2679.  
  2680. Reply to this post
  2681.                
  2682. Renard_V
  2683.        
  2684. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:24 PM
  2685.          oh, sciggles is your girlfriend (i didn't know this)
  2686. okay, so you knew about his history of forceful advances, then! what excuse remains?
  2687. Reply to this post
  2688.                
  2689. AssButt
  2690.        
  2691. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:34 PM
  2692.          Your avatar is so appropriate!
  2693. Reply to this post
  2694.                
  2695. WhiteWingedDemon
  2696.        
  2697. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:23 PM
  2698.          You nicely danced around what many people have an issue with on your above comment about how you didn't see what he did as rape.
  2699.  
  2700. I can't not respect you if you honestly don't see that as rape.
  2701.  
  2702.  
  2703.  
  2704. Reply to this post
  2705.                
  2706. WhiteWingedDemon
  2707.        
  2708. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:24 PM
  2709.          *can not (not "can't not")
  2710.  
  2711. Reply to this post
  2712.                
  2713. BridgeportCat
  2714.        
  2715. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:29 PM
  2716.        
  2717.  
  2718. But what Zaush did was NOT rape. Still, it's completely understandable for them not to feel comfortable by his actions, feel they were pushing the limit. And this has happened to a few people, but rape? I see no evidence of rape.
  2719. don't see you contradicting the fact that you don't think coerced rape is rape!
  2720. Reply to this post
  2721.                
  2722. dcjaycee
  2723.        
  2724. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:33 PM
  2725.          "An issue like this, if not thought out or executed properly, could have hurt her even more (even when she's in the right)."
  2726. yes, i'm sure you were thinking of her safety when you decided to do nothing
  2727. Reply to this post
  2728.                
  2729. dragonzoomer
  2730.        
  2731. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:08 AM
  2732.          what could he have done anyhow?
  2733. Reply to this post
  2734.                
  2735. Nyomi
  2736.        
  2737. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:56 PM
  2738.          You "didn't feel it was rape" for someone to be frightened and coerced into having sex they didn't want?
  2739.  
  2740. Disgusting.
  2741.  
  2742. Reply to this post
  2743.                
  2744. Thrashyiff
  2745.        
  2746. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:30 PM
  2747.          Haha, guess who's just lost all the respect I had for them?
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  2749.         Comment hidden by its author
  2750.                
  2751. The_Hambone
  2752.        
  2753. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:01 PM
  2754.          "Guilty until proven innocent... unless you're really really popular on our site, in which case you're innocent no matter what."
  2755. Reply to this post
  2756.                
  2757. hikitsunethefoxfire
  2758.        
  2759. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:12 PM
  2760.          no, 'neer, what happened was rape, no ifs ands or buts. and as a survivor of rape at the hands of a fellow furry myself, it makes me feel a little sick to see you being a rape apologist.
  2761.  
  2762. Reply to this post
  2763.                
  2764. Wolfblade
  2765.        
  2766. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:18 PM
  2767.          Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
  2768. Grey's Law:Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
  2769.  
  2770. You are the most vexingly incompetent human being I have ever known. And your incompetence has done significant harm to people more than enough times for you to be pardoned under sheer stupidity. Some of the people severely wronged by your incompetence come back to revisit equal or greater difficulties back on you. Others just get fucked over and go away. You fuck up, your fuckups negatively impact others, and you never learn from any of the fuckups. Ever. I have yet to see a SINGLE instance of you making a serious and prominent mistake that you learned from and managed to avoid repeating.
  2771.  
  2772. The most admirable and beneficial thing you could do for anyone and everyone INCLUDING YOURSELF is to remove yourself from being in a position of having any kind of impact on anyone.
  2773.  
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  2775.                
  2776. Wolfblade
  2777.        
  2778. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:21 PM
  2779.          "And your incompetence has done significant harm to people more than enough far too many times for you to be pardoned under sheer stupidity."
  2780.  
  2781. Hard to proofread when seeing red. >_<
  2782.  
  2783. Reply to this post
  2784.                
  2785. DJ-Fragon
  2786.        
  2787. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:27 AM
  2788.         http://lolpics.se/pics/482.jpg
  2789.  
  2790. Reply to this post
  2791.                
  2792. summercat
  2793.        
  2794. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:35 PM
  2795.          I'm afraid that I cannot personally agree with your reading on the situation. Dragoneer's advice was less "Do not do this because of drama," so much as "Be careful if you do this, because of drama." It also appears that the user in question took that interpretation of Dragoneer's message.
  2796. Reply to this post
  2797.                
  2798. RedDD
  2799.        
  2800. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:56 PM
  2801.          This appalled me the most.
  2802. Reply to this post
  2803.                
  2804. Mousey-kun
  2805.        
  2806. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:21 PM
  2807.          That's the worst excuse i've heard in ages. Just googling the mans name brings up the most proof one needs in the first place. You however basically told the man to delete fucking everything incriminating and keep his mouth shut.
  2808. and guess what? this goes for alot of furries here, because... apparently people are to stupid to not use there FA name as their dogfucking name. But thats "not enough evidence" either.
  2809. Try again.
  2810. Reply to this post
  2811.                
  2812. Apothacer
  2813.        
  2814. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:22 PM
  2815.          A few people whined at you for providing what info you did give us in that last journal because the full story wasn't there to their satisfaction.
  2816.  
  2817. I wonder how many will start whining about that info being taken down.
  2818.  
  2819. Some people just get off on being pissed off I guess. Sheesh, I don't envy you much right now. I support you, but damn, there sure are a lot of rabble rousers around here.
  2820. Reply to this post
  2821.                
  2822. Pi
  2823.        
  2824. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:25 PM
  2825.          Uh, no. The info he did post was completely inaccurate; that's what I'm irritated by.
  2826. When a site experiences two successful hacks in a short time and suffers a massive data loss incident during the second one,you are not secure until you have fully established the extent of the damage. Given FA's track record of having these holes, immediately proclaiming themselves "secure" is a bad, bad sign.
  2827.  
  2828. Reply to this post
  2829.                
  2830. Apothacer
  2831.        
  2832. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  2833.          Completely inaccurate? As in Dragoneer had to literally sit down and carefully fabricate everything in that journal so as to have no basis in fact to the best of his knowledge whatsoever or are you exaggerating?
  2834.  
  2835. And what is this massive data loss to which you are referring? What went missing? Some icons changed, some notes leaked not lost, and not terribly crucial if they were quickly deleted to prevent further harm.
  2836.  
  2837. Reply to this post
  2838.                
  2839. Dragoneer
  2840.        
  2841. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:36 PM
  2842.          What I wrote in that journal was not fabricated, just not entirely accurate and I wanted to update myself on that.
  2843.  
  2844. Reply to this post
  2845.                
  2846. Apothacer
  2847.        
  2848. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  2849.          Oh trust me I know that, and that was the point I was trying to make. A lot of people are making these crazy claims without anything to back up what they were saying. On your side in this one. :)
  2850.  
  2851. Reply to this post
  2852.                
  2853. Pi
  2854.        
  2855. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  2856.          The main point of the previous journal was that "the site is secure". It also said that they resolved the issues. That is not the case: at that point in time they were not even fully aware of the extent of the issues.
  2857.  
  2858. Also it is a commonly accepted term to use "data loss" to describe what happened; see http://datalossdb.org/.
  2859.  
  2860. Reply to this post
  2861.                
  2862. Apothacer
  2863.        
  2864. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:49 PM
  2865.          A meteorite could crash into the servers and forever destroy the treasure trove of knowledge and priceless art here on FA in a disaster that would forever be remembered as a cultural loss on par with the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria or the sacking of Rome. Does he not get to call the site secure till we build a giant LASER pointed at outer space, ready to neutralize this threat?
  2866.  
  2867. Reply to this post
  2868.                
  2869. Pi
  2870.        
  2871. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:01 PM
  2872.          Actually, he needs simply to rewrite the site, in a security-conscious fashion.
  2873.  
  2874. On the other hand, if he wants to keep trundling along with this rusty codebase, he needs to get someone who knows about security in to look at things.
  2875.  
  2876. Funny thing is, yak and net-cat know this. In yak's words, the problem with the concept is:
  2877. <yak[away]> I CANT JUST GIVE FULL ACCESS TO A RANDOM HOMO WITHOUT AT LEAST MAKING A SECURE ENVIRONMENT FIRST, AND I NEED TIME FOR THAT
  2878.  
  2879. Just out of curiosity, how much do you know about web application security? Because in my world this is putting the cart before the horse.
  2880.  
  2881. Reply to this post
  2882.                
  2883. Apothacer
  2884.        
  2885. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:09 PM
  2886.          I won't claim to know anything about web security.
  2887.  
  2888. I still disagree.
  2889.  
  2890. I'm mostly here to watch people who claim to know more about the whole incident than the site owner make fools of themselves. To that end I'm only going to make counter arguments that don't stretch the limits of my understanding and knowledge. I won't go out on a limb and speculate.
  2891.  
  2892. Reply to this post
  2893.                
  2894. Pi
  2895.        
  2896. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:13 PM
  2897.          You can go ahead and disagree all you want. I've been pointing out the problems that lead to this incident for a few years. I might happen to know a little more about the situation than you, and what I know might render you unqualified to accuse people of making fools of themselves. Can you live with that possibility?
  2898.  
  2899. Reply to this post
  2900.                
  2901. Apothacer
  2902.        
  2903. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:18 PM
  2904.          No. No you're right I can't live with it! AUGH! It weighs on my mind like a constant pain. Oh how I envy Vietnam veterans who only have the blood of women and children on their hands! Goodbye cruel world! I am so sorry for being such a burden unto thee. *Defenestrates himself in a shower of glass, only to land on an awning and then a snow bank outside the chinese restaurant.* Damn it... Another suicide attempt foiled.
  2905.  
  2906. Reply to this post
  2907.                
  2908. The_Hambone
  2909.        
  2910. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:14 PM
  2911.        
  2912. I won't claim to know anything about web security.
  2913.  
  2914.  
  2915. That's all you really needed to say.
  2916.  
  2917. Reply to this post
  2918.                
  2919. Apothacer
  2920.        
  2921. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:56 AM
  2922.          Yes, but I still have an opinion. I may not be able to recite the constitution and all the amendments but I still have a vote. *relevant if you are a US citizen so I apologize if the reference is lost on you..*
  2923.  
  2924. Reply to this post
  2925.                
  2926. The_Hambone
  2927.        
  2928. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:31 AM
  2929.          True, but to make an informed vote, you have to have a pretty good understanding of what the candidate you want to vote for stands for, how you would expect him or her to make policy, and how that policy would affect the country, otherwise it's just a guess.
  2930.  
  2931. I'm not saying you don't have a right to an opinion, all I'm saying is that from what I know of Pi, he understands this sort of thing quite well and knows what's going on here. From what I've seen, Dragoneer is downplaying what happened. I don't have any stake in FA should everything go belly-up, so I'm not concerned about what Dragoneer has said from a purely personal standpoint, but some people might have certain info in their notes that they'd rather not go public, so telling them that it's all sunshine and roses and there's nothing to worry about when that isn't necessarily true isn't the wise thing to do.
  2932.  
  2933. Reply to this post
  2934.                
  2935. Mousey-kun
  2936.        
  2937. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:31 AM
  2938.          But if your opinion is complete shit, than it still doesn't matter.
  2939.  
  2940. Keep licking the dragon's feet. While he shits on your donations, toots.
  2941.  
  2942. Reply to this post
  2943.                
  2944. Apothacer
  2945.        
  2946. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:38 AM
  2947.          Not much I can say to argue with that objectively. To say otherwise would be a lie.
  2948.  
  2949. I will say though, personally it seems like Dragoneer is trying pretty damn hard to both inform us of events as they transpire and to keep dispel the alarmists. You have to admit, even we shall assume for the sake of argument that Dragoneer is feeding platitudes, that there are a lot of alarmists and people spreading rumors that he is up against and having to refute. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle but when I see a lot of people ganging up on someone who I really do believe has FA's best interests at heart, I have to go with my guy and remind people that the guy is trying, and if he "misinformed" us it wasn't a malicious or deceptive maneuver.
  2950.  
  2951. Reply to this post
  2952.                
  2953. Apothacer
  2954.        
  2955. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:38 AM
  2956.          Thanks for the well thought out and intelligent reply. :/
  2957.  
  2958. Reply to this post
  2959.                
  2960. Apothacer
  2961.        
  2962. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:42 AM
  2963.          Ignore the word keep, insert go with my gut for go with my guy, and all in all keep in mid it is 1:49 and I have had six beers...
  2964.  
  2965. Reply to this post
  2966.                
  2967. KravBleu
  2968.        
  2969. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:23 PM
  2970.          Idk about leaks but it looks like my unread notes ive sent got deleted
  2971.  
  2972. Reply to this post
  2973.                
  2974. KravBleu
  2975.        
  2976. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  2977.          Nvm on the wrong account..
  2978.  
  2979. Reply to this post
  2980.                
  2981. betsy
  2982.        
  2983. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:23 PM
  2984.          TALKING TO ME THIS WEEK WAS A CURSE TO US ALL! *sadviolins*
  2985.  
  2986. Reply to this post
  2987.                
  2988. necronomicon
  2989.        
  2990. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:24 PM
  2991.          Please take this as an opportunity to accept help from the people who are offering it. You know I have been a supporter of the admin team for a long time, but having my account messed with and hearing nothing from you guys has really shaken my faith. I don't want to see FA go.
  2992.  
  2993. Reply to this post
  2994.                
  2995. summercat
  2996.        
  2997. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  2998.          Rest assured, you are not being ignored - so much as right now, attention is on preventing more damage to accounts rather than fixing already existing damage.
  2999.  
  3000. Once the site coders have declared FA secure, admin manpower will skyrocket and they will be able to start fixing the issues.
  3001.  
  3002. Reply to this post
  3003.                
  3004. necronomicon
  3005.        
  3006. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  3007.          Thank you so much. That's all I wanted to hear, some reassurance from someone. In a sea of "omg popufur has been hacked" and "dox are being leaked" I've heard nothing about when the little people who got targeted are going to be helped.
  3008.  
  3009. Reply to this post
  3010.                
  3011. summercat
  3012.        
  3013. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:55 PM
  3014.          Well, I'm a little person too.
  3015.  
  3016. ...okay, so I'm SLIGHTLY overweight >.>
  3017.  
  3018. Reply to this post
  3019.                
  3020. troc_9116
  3021.        
  3022. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:25 PM
  3023.          "we we hacked"
  3024.  
  3025. looks like someone is getting pissed
  3026.  
  3027. hey Sean u mad?
  3028.  
  3029. Reply to this post
  3030.                
  3031. Ajna
  3032.        
  3033. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  3034.          LMAO Holy fucking shit! Dragoneer accidentally type "we we" instead of "we were" xDD Omfg, that is just hilarious. What a fucking dumb ass, that guy is. I mean, seriously. He's SO mad, he left off a couple letters. Absolutely unheard of! x)
  3035.  
  3036. Reply to this post
  3037.                
  3038. Pi
  3039.        
  3040. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:48 PM
  3041.          Dragoneer didn't type that, Yak did.
  3042.  
  3043. What Dragoneer typed was more along the lines of &quot;the site is secure, we've fixed the problem, the only damage was some people's notes got leaked, oh my poor wounded pride, stand by us in this low point in my life, woe is me&quot;
  3044.  
  3045. Reply to this post
  3046.                
  3047. Ajna
  3048.        
  3049. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  3050.          Doesn't matter. The point of my comment still stands. Which was sarcasm, btw.
  3051.  
  3052. Reply to this post
  3053.                
  3054. Dragoneer
  3055.        
  3056. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:30 PM
  3057.          Not mad. =3
  3058.  
  3059. Reply to this post
  3060.                
  3061. troc_9116
  3062.        
  3063. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:35 PM
  3064.          and you know what you deleted your journal cause everyone was calling you a dumb***, and I kinda agree you failed, and failed hard I don't know if I have the ability to trust this site or you eva again man sorry Sean Piche, But it was a big mistake that you made man.
  3065.  
  3066. Reply to this post
  3067.                
  3068. dragonien
  3069.        
  3070. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:48 PM
  3071.          oh dear lord man this is so horrible, i mean how dare dragoneer right? How dare our anthromorphic animal porn not be locked up in fort knox.
  3072.  
  3073. Reply to this post
  3074.                
  3075. Pi
  3076.        
  3077. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:50 PM
  3078.          yeah how dare people say things like "the security of this site has been absolutely shit for the past 4 years, something bad is going to happen one of these days". Or is what just happened not a bad thing at all?
  3079.  
  3080. Reply to this post
  3081.                
  3082. Bobskunk
  3083.        
  3084. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:52 PM
  3085.          uh it's not about porn it's about personal information, dummy
  3086.  
  3087. Reply to this post
  3088.                
  3089. dragonien
  3090.        
  3091. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:00 PM
  3092.          Dont share personal information on the net.
  3093.  
  3094.  
  3095. my 5th grade teacher taught me that.
  3096.  
  3097. Reply to this post
  3098.                
  3099. Bobskunk
  3100.        
  3101. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:05 PM
  3102.          so anyone who sends commission information over FA notes deserves to get screwed when it's leaked?
  3103. ...but criticizing furaffinity for having shitty security and allowing the leak to take place in the first place is as bad as the hacking itself?
  3104.  
  3105. do you really fucking believe something as dumb as what you're saying
  3106.  
  3107. Reply to this post
  3108.                
  3109. dragonien
  3110.        
  3111. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:11 PM
  3112.          what more than an email address is needed to be sent for a commision?
  3113.  
  3114.  
  3115. They may have bad security. yes. Whoopty do. use your own god damn logic.
  3116.  
  3117. if you KNOW THAT THE SITE HAS BAD SECURITY WHY DO YOU STILL SEND PRIVATE INFORMATION ON IT GOD DAMN.
  3118.  
  3119. be fucking smart.
  3120.  
  3121. "man. This place has horrible security. i bet peoples private information is going to get stolen"
  3122. "Should we NOT send our information?"
  3123. "na. lets just complain about the security, but do it anyway. so we can bitch if something happens"
  3124.  
  3125. Reply to this post
  3126.                
  3127. Bobskunk
  3128.        
  3129. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:13 PM
  3130.          "how dare they use the note system they deserve everything they get"
  3131.  
  3132. your positions are consistently dumb i'm done
  3133.  
  3134. Reply to this post
  3135.                
  3136. dragonien
  3137.        
  3138. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:16 PM
  3139.          Seriously. i want a real answer.
  3140.  
  3141. IF YOU KNEW THE SECURITY WAS BAD WHY WOULD YOU STILL SEND PERSONAL INFORMATION.
  3142.  
  3143.  
  3144. Why. i seriously, truely, honestly want to know if theres more of a reason than people just looking for things to bitch about.
  3145.  
  3146. I mean. obvuiously from what you say people knew about the security problems. so its not like this was a suprise. so why did they still give out personal info, knowing this was somewhere between a possibility and a probability?
  3147.  
  3148. Reply to this post
  3149.                
  3150. Bobskunk
  3151.        
  3152. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:26 PM
  3153.          again "how dare they? how dare they send personal information over a private medium" yes it was bad practice but i do not believe it's entirely their fault, as you seem to believe.
  3154.  
  3155. this is a matter of bad security. if FA knows its security is bad and does nothing and something happens, is that FA's fault? yes. if FA doesn't know its security is bad and does nothing and something happens, is that FA's fault? also yes. free service or not, the absolute lack of effort of protecting anything is pretty embarrassing. and you defend that. barf.
  3156.  
  3157. Reply to this post
  3158.                
  3159. Pi
  3160.        
  3161. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:27 PM
  3162.          Would you really like to know why? Let me give you my idea as to why:
  3163.  
  3164. Too few people know that the site is insecure. Did you read the [url=http://forums.vivisector.org/index......[/url]original journal? Did you compare it to this one? The first one gave the explicit suggestion that the site was secure.
  3165.  
  3166. The site is not secure, not by a long shot.
  3167.  
  3168. They have repeatedly said "the site is secure" almost immediately after every other past hack. Do you really think the site is secure this time? If you do, then welcome to being part of the problem.
  3169.  
  3170.  
  3171. Reply to this post
  3172.                
  3173. dragonien
  3174.        
  3175. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:32 PM
  3176.          6 years. ive been here over 6 years. nothing has ever happened like this.
  3177.  
  3178. if a hacker really wanted to get on the site to fuck things up, security breach or not, ill bet money he'd have gotten in regardless.
  3179.  
  3180. Reply to this post
  3181.                
  3182. Pi
  3183.        
  3184. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:40 PM
  3185.          Admin accounts have been hijacked before. The entire database has been leaked before. Passwords? Cracked. XSS holes? New features implemented in the past few months still have a few of these kicking around.
  3186.  
  3187. Even if these things did not happen before, does that make it perfectly fine for FA to ignore basic website security, in the hope that a hacker just won't try to get in? Nah, I don't quite buy it.
  3188.  
  3189. Reply to this post
  3190.                
  3191. Uroboros
  3192.        
  3193. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:43 PM
  3194.          Because not everyone chases the drama. Some people are just random joes using the site, unaware of such things.
  3195. I'm pretty sure the people who were aware of giant security holes wouldn't have posted sensitive info.
  3196.  
  3197. It isn't even about the damaging potential of exposure either, it is basic privacy. Mere human error and oversights are completely different to negligence. Nobody is immune to common observation, no matter how rude or subtly they are made.
  3198.  
  3199. Reply to this post
  3200.                
  3201. Pi
  3202.        
  3203. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:49 PM
  3204.          Security issues aren't really drama until something like this happens.
  3205.  
  3206. I am aware of their giant security holes. Plenty of people, with no interest whatsoever in the personal information, have notified Dragoneer, yak, net-cat, and so on and so forth about these holes. Nothing has been secured, because they keep having incidents of this nature.
  3207.  
  3208. Mere human error, right.
  3209.  
  3210. Reply to this post
  3211.                
  3212. Uroboros
  3213.        
  3214. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:40 PM
  3215.          I know, I know, I just worded it really sloppily.
  3216.  
  3217. There are people like me who leave the social networking circles and little update/alerts to drift on by, whilst we just scribble on our own, and chat amongst our friends. I've only ever been to the front page about five times in my entire time here. What is common knowledge to the more outright active in the community, is completely invisible to mere dabblers, is what I meant. It is common practice to entrust security to the staff, at least on places of this size and popularity.
  3218.  
  3219. Reply to this post
  3220.                
  3221. The_Hambone
  3222.        
  3223. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:19 PM
  3224.          It might have something to do with certain administrators trying to convince everybody that this site is fully secure when it really isn't.
  3225.  
  3226. Y'know. Just a slight possibility.
  3227.  
  3228. Reply to this post
  3229.                
  3230. Apothacer
  3231.        
  3232. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  3233.          Nuuuuu!!!!!!1111one!!! kant u see his entire argyooment is envalid bcause off that mistak?
  3234.  
  3235. Reply to this post
  3236.                
  3237. Wolfblade
  3238.        
  3239. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:25 PM
  3240.          There is absolutely zero excuse for this.
  3241.  
  3242. Get a real professional paid coder working on a new site code, stop dicking with piddly shit like a UI upgrade, get yak the fuck out of there and start accepting the offers of help that come from people NOT associated with any of the damn hacker/script-kiddie/lulzies/wtf people.
  3243.  
  3244. And if the rumor that it was Pinkuh's password is true, fire her. She's been here longer than pretty much anyone, and there is NO excuse for her not knowing better.
  3245.  
  3246. Reply to this post
  3247.                
  3248. Dragoneer
  3249.        
  3250. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:26 PM
  3251.          If I had money I'd definitely /love/ to hire a full time coder if I had the funding.
  3252.  
  3253. And no, it was NOT Pinkuh.
  3254.  
  3255. Reply to this post
  3256.                
  3257. Meep-Jay
  3258.        
  3259. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  3260.          I'm sure wolfblade will be happy to pay for it ;)
  3261.  
  3262. Reply to this post
  3263.                
  3264. Dragoneer
  3265.        
  3266. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  3267.          If he offers we'll get a professional coding team ASAP. In fact, if I had the money, I'd love to do that! I've wanted to do exactly that for some time.
  3268.  
  3269. Reply to this post
  3270.                
  3271. SilverBird
  3272.        
  3273. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:43 PM
  3274.          I'd suggest you just get competent coders already, disregarding all the buts and the ifs.
  3275. And it's not like there isn't money for that (donations, selling the old fa server, there are ways...)
  3276.  
  3277. Our site REALLY needs help in that regard.
  3278.  
  3279. Reply to this post
  3280.                
  3281. EverboundVenvel
  3282.        
  3283. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:08 PM
  3284.          ^ This. I agree with this wholeheartedly.
  3285.  
  3286. Reply to this post
  3287.                
  3288. drurowin
  3289.        
  3290. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:50 PM
  3291.          As much as this sounds strange... I think our dear Eevee could actually be useful in this situation. He seemed more than ready to point out the comment hiding security hole... just need to let him know he is _NOT_ to mess with user accounts℥personal data℥etc., just notify the admins who can notify the coder (or PM the coder as the coder, if it's that serious... messages from root are never nice when you didn't send it).
  3292.  
  3293. I'm not saying admin access... that is a Bad Idea and is not realistic... your average hacker will not start with admin privileges. Or (better yet) give him a copy of the current security build (note: not current deployed version) so he can go to town with it... build up a pretend user base, add some "submissions", a couple admins with different strength passwords, notes, journals, yadda yadda yadda... Then if he completely messes up the data, it won't be real users who are effected. He can also go through the code and look for holes manually.
  3294.  
  3295. Again, he apparently has the time and skill, the Intimate Knowledge with the system, and a will to let the admins know...
  3296.  
  3297. Reply to this post
  3298.                
  3299. Pi
  3300.        
  3301. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:57 PM
  3302.          We tried this earlier. Last I heard about it from Dragoneer, Eevee refused to cooperate and strangled the ferrox project with bare hands.
  3303.  
  3304. Other people seem to remember it slightly differently: http://eevee.livejournal.com/300227.html
  3305.  
  3306. Reply to this post
  3307.                
  3308. drurowin
  3309.        
  3310. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:33 PM
  3311.          > Last I heard about it from Dragoneer, Eevee refused to cooperate[...]
  3312.  
  3313. I would prefer it if I heard that from Dragoneer himself before passing judgement... It was worth a shot. At the least, he sounded conflicted as whether to help the site get rid of its worst bugs or see it simply vanish before anything too bad comes out of it. (He also seemed thoroughly fed up with being The Coder of a project he didn't feel people appreciate.)
  3314.  
  3315. I disagree with some of his points... agree with others (not really any of anyone's business other than mine of which ones they are)... but this is becoming more than just an "art site", like it or not. From the hundreds of comments here, people see this as more of a "connections" site where they can get art, adult or prude. With some fancy privacy settings (and much better security), this could easily turn into a Furry Facebook.
  3316.  
  3317. Reply to this post
  3318.                
  3319. Firehazard
  3320.        
  3321. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:31 PM
  3322.          What's funny is that you had coders. Not paid ones even, but they still managed to build a brand new version of the site almost to completion. What ever happened with that?
  3323.  
  3324. Reply to this post
  3325.                
  3326. Pi
  3327.        
  3328. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  3329.          Excuse me, some of the people you associate with the "hacker script kiddie lulzies wtf people" are a little more qualified than the 13-year-old kid from the Dominican Republic he had "helping out with security" recently.
  3330.  
  3331. Reply to this post
  3332.                
  3333. Dragoneer
  3334.        
  3335. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:30 PM
  3336.          I'll even admit this was not a "script kiddie" issue,
  3337.  
  3338. Reply to this post
  3339.                
  3340. Pi
  3341.        
  3342. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:36 PM
  3343.          Will you also admit to repeatedly turning down competent help (i'm thinking of at least three other people here) for no reason other than "he says mean things sometimes"? Or would that be too much to ask?
  3344.  
  3345. Reply to this post
  3346.                
  3347. shikaro
  3348.        
  3349. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:19 PM
  3350.          Offtopic, could you please hide this idiot? he offended my nationality. and that is obviously not allowed in FA...
  3351. seriously we might not have the best knowledge, for being a 3rd world country, but he DOES NOW have any right to offend my nationality saying that "hacker script kiddie lulzies wtf people" are a little more qualified than the 13-year-old kid from the Dominican Republic he had "helping out with security" recently."
  3352.  
  3353. seriously. it bothers me!
  3354.  
  3355.  
  3356. Reply to this post
  3357.                
  3358. Mousey-kun
  3359.        
  3360. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:33 PM
  3361.          I;ve never laughed so hard all day.
  3362.  
  3363. Reply to this post
  3364.                
  3365. Bobskunk
  3366.        
  3367. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:36 PM
  3368.          uh he's being quite literal
  3369. there was/is a 13 year old from the Dominican Republic helping with site vulnerabilities.    henriw
  3370.  
  3371. Reply to this post
  3372.                
  3373. shikaro
  3374.        
  3375. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:41 PM
  3376.          the comment's pruporse was to offent people, still, you see. you can read it all over agian and you'll notice why.
  3377. our technology is not as well developed as the USA, but we still can work despite the age, as long as we have studied well that is.
  3378.  
  3379. Reply to this post
  3380.                
  3381. Pi
  3382.        
  3383. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:47 PM
  3384.          Yes, but my point here is not to denigrate what I assume to be your fine nation, but to simply suggest that there are people who are not 13 years old who may have more experience with the delicate situation of website security. My apologies to your sense of pride regarding political divisions.
  3385.  
  3386. Reply to this post
  3387.                
  3388. shikaro
  3389.        
  3390. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:49 PM
  3391.          fine. but please then try to be more discrete, at least dont say the country, after all, any company could have a 13 year old of any nation working for them...
  3392.  
  3393. Reply to this post
  3394.                
  3395. The_Hambone
  3396.        
  3397. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:23 PM
  3398.          So you're saying you're offended because there are other people from the Dominican Republic?
  3399.  
  3400. Reply to this post
  3401.                
  3402. shikaro
  3403.        
  3404. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:28 PM
  3405.          ...what?
  3406. i suggest you to read the comments again. in other words, you're wrong
  3407.  
  3408. Reply to this post
  3409.                
  3410. The_Hambone
  3411.        
  3412. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:35 PM
  3413.          I was being sarcastic.
  3414.  
  3415. The kid's from the Dominican Republic, Pi mentioned it in passing, and you felt the need to become insulted by it.
  3416.  
  3417. Reply to this post
  3418.                
  3419. makuyi
  3420.        
  3421. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  3422.          this site fails.
  3423.  
  3424. Reply to this post
  3425.                
  3426. Un
  3427.        
  3428. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  3429.          Clearly unqualified vs. clearly untrustworthy. Hell of a choice.
  3430.  
  3431. Reply to this post
  3432.                
  3433. Pi
  3434.        
  3435. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:10 PM
  3436.          Yeah, because everyone who associates with the (purely imagined) set of "hacker script kiddie lulzies wtf people" is completely untrustworthy. Right.
  3437.  
  3438. Reply to this post
  3439.                
  3440. Wolfblade
  3441.        
  3442. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  3443.          Technical qualifications maybe, but given the nature of FA's history, and this specific incident, it is the element of personal character and trustworthiness that is sorely lacking from you and the others I include in that group.
  3444.  
  3445. The people who use their technical know-how to damage this site in ways that adversely affect the general userbase without regard for the damage or interference they cause are NOT people who should be seen as suitable to bring on to HELP. They have already established firmly that they would not hesitate to cause harm to the site and its users should they feel so inclined.
  3446.  
  3447. You don't bring someone on as an admin when they have shown that they enjoy going out of their way to harass other users, and you don't bring someone on as a coder when they've already fucked your shit up "for the lulz" in the past.
  3448.  
  3449. There's a difference when someone does what Eevee did, point out a flaw, then show how it can be exploited in an easily reversible and non-damaging way when he was ignored (wasn't his fault FA made it worse because they were too stupid to do the simple 'undo' to his prank) versus someone breaking the site for fun and entertainment in ways that actually impact random innocent users.
  3450.  
  3451. Reply to this post
  3452.                
  3453. shikaro
  3454.        
  3455. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:15 PM
  3456.          hey, imbecile!, dont offend my nation!
  3457.  
  3458. Reply to this post
  3459.                
  3460. Mousey-kun
  3461.        
  3462. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:34 PM
  3463.          You nation has a human slave market.
  3464.  
  3465. Your argument is invalid.
  3466.  
  3467. Reply to this post
  3468.                
  3469. shikaro
  3470.        
  3471. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:39 PM
  3472.          doesnt all have?
  3473. how pathetic.
  3474.  
  3475. Reply to this post
  3476.                
  3477. seinkraft
  3478.        
  3479. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:43 PM
  3480.          jah you're republicanish!
  3481.  
  3482. Reply to this post
  3483.                
  3484. Vandell
  3485.        
  3486. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:33 PM
  3487.          Yes, because hiring professional coders is a totally cheap and easy affair.
  3488.  
  3489. Protip: Dragoneer gets no money from this website. Zero. Unless you're willing to front a huge donation, don't expect changes at the snap of your fingers.
  3490.  
  3491. Reply to this post
  3492.                
  3493. VGM22
  3494.        
  3495. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  3496.          Thanks for the update, Neer. Keep working as hard as you can, but try not to burn yourself out. Also to could you reply to people telling you to pull the site that you're not going to take it down or are you thinking about taking the site down till things are fixed?
  3497.  
  3498. Reply to this post
  3499.                
  3500. emo_wolf
  3501.        
  3502. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:30 PM
  3503.          im thinking the site will not be shut down, because if it is, a large amount of users will probably leave the site all together
  3504.  
  3505. Reply to this post
  3506.                
  3507. VGM22
  3508.        
  3509. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:32 PM
  3510.          Well I don't think they'll leave. I think people will just whine that the site is down. I just want Neer to tell people that are telling him to shut down the site that he's not going to or that he is, so it'll just shut them the fuck up.
  3511.  
  3512. Reply to this post
  3513.                
  3514. Rilest
  3515.        
  3516. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:27 PM
  3517.          Hmmm that is going to be a lot of reviews you gonna have to be doing, now that the cat is out of the bag about many things that were kept hush hush, we gonna see who asses are gonna be saved and who is gonna be doomed, From what I have seen so far is seem that either these delicate subjects were being suppressed and kept in limbo.
  3518. So in a way, these leaks were a good thing, cause it shows the true face of many people around this site and how some go so far as to hide things from the public because of "Status".
  3519.  
  3520. Now that the public knows, let see how things unfold.
  3521.  
  3522. Reply to this post
  3523.                
  3524. makuyi
  3525.        
  3526. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:33 PM
  3527.          yeah. im appalled by things that have come out and i cant wait to see those responsible get burned.
  3528.  
  3529. Reply to this post
  3530.                
  3531. Kleemin
  3532.        
  3533. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:28 PM
  3534.          I forget what I said in the last journal so I hope you read it >:c
  3535.  
  3536. It was supportive don't worry.
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  3540.                
  3541. troc_9116
  3542.        
  3543. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  3544.          I SUPPORT THIS FAILURE!!!!!!
  3545.  
  3546. Reply to this post
  3547.                
  3548. verix
  3549.        
  3550. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:31 PM
  3551.          you know, a while back I said some shit behind your back saying that you were manipulative. you found out about it and appropriately called me out on it. like the coward I was, I backed down because in being called out it became apparent that I was agreeing with the hive-mind and as a result probably hurt your feelings. so I apologized and vowed to never talk about people like that again-- at least, if what I was saying wasn't actually based in any sort of reality.
  3552.  
  3553. now I feel like I have to take that back, because it's been exposed how manipulative you really are.
  3554.  
  3555. seriously, you told someone who was obviously a rather docile and manipulatable personality who was subsequently being forcefully molested by a high-profile artist that "people are going to question your victimhood" and DIRECTLY DROVE THAT POINT HOME. what the fuck is wrong with you? are you such a fucking coward that you can't take a stand when someone who is OBVIOUSLY UNABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES that you would cowtow to the fucking hivemind of your userbase to say "gee some people are gonna be pissed because it's Zaush, and the fanboys will come knocking!" just so that you don't have to make a decision that might ruffle the feathers of a fanbase?
  3556.  
  3557. apparently nothing has changed between when you decided to become a rape apologist for the popular and now, because lol, now you're trying to tell everyone on FurAffinity that the site is secure. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE OKAY FOLKS. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FUCKING TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED TO US.
  3558.  
  3559. I swear to fucking god, 'neer, I haven't cared about this community for well over a fucking year because of its childish nature, but there are some fucking good people in this community, and they really deserve better than some lazy oaf who passively sits over an empire and refuses to fucking actually do anything to help out their fellow community members. the only thing that's brought me out is your response to whoever the fuck caused this drama-bomb to go off.
  3560.  
  3561. I really don't like to threaten people because I feel it's a very childish tactic that only amounts to empty actions. but I swear on my fucking life, if you don't actually put any effort into fixing this site, if you don't actually put any effort into being HONEST and actually putting thought and courage into your actions, I will bring down the fucking wrath of God onto your head and destroy the desire of anyone to actually use this as a community base. I will make your empire burn to ashes. the furry community doesn't need you or your fucking idiotic empire of beauracratic pacifistic bullshit. and I know that you know I can make that happen. and I know that when the dust settles, the only proof you'll have is this post, which will ultimately amount to nothing. I can do this completely legally.
  3562.  
  3563. dance around my comment with your broken-record "I'm a victim" bullshit or false-agreement idiocy or delete it, I fucking dare you.
  3564.  
  3565. Reply to this post
  3566.                
  3567. Osoth
  3568.        
  3569. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:35 PM
  3570.          I agree, that was the single most rageworthy thing about all the notes I read.
  3571.  
  3572. Honestly, it was enough to make me hit my table in rage.
  3573.  
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  3575.                
  3576. dragonien
  3577.        
  3578. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:50 PM
  3579.          the fact that you read notes that were unrightfully stolen from the site archives just proves your part of the problem. what gives you the right to read stolen material?
  3580.  
  3581. Reply to this post
  3582.                
  3583. Pi
  3584.        
  3585. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  3586.          Let's take this back one step.
  3587.  
  3588. Problems with the site's security have been known for years. Why is it the hacker's fault that this hasn't been fixed yet?
  3589.  
  3590. More to the point, if it were your notes that were taken, would you still be blaming the hacker and not the flaw?
  3591.  
  3592. Reply to this post
  3593.                
  3594. dragonien
  3595.        
  3596. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:59 PM
  3597.          nnononono. what im saying. is if someone hacked the site and posted peoples personal messages for everyone to read. and you go out to read them yourself, because you want to know what they say. then your no better than the hacker.
  3598.  
  3599. just because someone exploited a flaw and stole information, doesnt suddenly make it ok for everyone else to read that information too. it just becomes a question of morality of wether you should read them, rather than a question of if its possible to read them.
  3600.  
  3601.  
  3602.  
  3603. And yes. if they were my notes i would blame the hacker.
  3604.  
  3605. if theres a big hole in the side of fort knox with no guards at it. is it suddenly ok for you to walk in and steal gold? no. just because something becomes easy to do doesnt mean its right.
  3606.  
  3607. Reply to this post
  3608.                
  3609. verix
  3610.        
  3611. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:04 PM
  3612.          by your logic, reading a WikiLeaks cable detailing the CIA abuses that have happened around the world (e.g., kidnapping a German citizen, torturing him, leaving him on the side of the road and telling German authorities not to prosecute) makes me as bad as the CIA.
  3613.  
  3614. you have an unfortunately warped sense of ideology.
  3615.  
  3616. Reply to this post
  3617.                
  3618. Pi
  3619.        
  3620. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:06 PM
  3621.          If there's a big hole in the side of fort knox that goes unnoticed for long enough for someone to steal gold, then there has been a shocking breakdown in the communication structure of the organization. Whoops.
  3622.  
  3623. Reply to this post
  3624.                
  3625. dragonien
  3626.        
  3627. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:08 PM
  3628.          This isnt some dude blowing the top off some government conspiracy.
  3629.  
  3630. This is someones PRIVATE conversations being posted in a public fashion.
  3631.  
  3632. I bet if your notes had been stolen and posted, you'd be singing a very different tune.
  3633.  
  3634. we have absolutely 0 right to read anything Dragoneer, or anyone else for that matter, has sent in a private furaffinity note. and no content of those messages is going to change that.
  3635.  
  3636. Reply to this post
  3637.                
  3638. Sherman128
  3639.        
  3640. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:09 PM
  3641.          Exposing the truth by any means is always the right thing to do
  3642.  
  3643. Reply to this post
  3644.                
  3645. dragonien
  3646.        
  3647. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:12 PM
  3648.          exposing that dragoneer has personal issues?
  3649.  
  3650.  
  3651. noones perfect.
  3652.  
  3653. im sure if we dug hard enough, we'd find something fucked up that you've done that you wouldnt want anyone to know.
  3654.  
  3655.  
  3656. If we're supposed to expose the truth by any means necesary. right here. right now. tell us every secret you have ever kept. every last one.
  3657.  
  3658. otherwise your just a hypocrit
  3659.  
  3660. Reply to this post
  3661.                
  3662. Pi
  3663.        
  3664. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:19 PM
  3665.          Allow me to repeat what I said, since you didn't seem to understand it.
  3666.  
  3667. If there's a big hole in the side of fort knox that goes unnoticed for long enough for someone to steal gold, then there has been a shocking breakdown in the communication structure of the organization.
  3668.  
  3669. I am not talking about the contents of the message. I am talking about the gaping hole in the side of furaffinity. The ones that have been known. For years. This is a major problem on furaffinity's side. This has been a major problem on furaffinity's side for a while.
  3670.  
  3671. Am I starting to become clear to you, or should I use smaller words?
  3672.  
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  3674.                
  3675. dragonien
  3676.        
  3677. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:24 PM
  3678.          troll insulting another persons intelligence is trolling
  3679.  
  3680.  
  3681. They've never had a problem like this in the like... 6 years ive been here. so i really doubt the security gap was as serious as people are making it out to be.
  3682.  
  3683. and if you really think about it. if an actual hacker REALLY wanted to get into the FA admin staff. dont you think he could find a way?
  3684.  
  3685. Reply to this post
  3686.                
  3687. Pi
  3688.        
  3689. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  3690.          The only thing worth responding to in your post is this, because it's just flat out wrong:
  3691. They've never had a problem like this in the like... 6 years ive been here.
  3692.  
  3693.  
  3694. It did. You just weren't told about them.
  3695.  
  3696. Reply to this post
  3697.                
  3698. dragonien
  3699.        
  3700. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:35 PM
  3701.          theres been a few incidents of compromised accounts, but that had nothing to do with a security breach, that had to do with people letting their password get out. FA cant protect idiots that leak their password.
  3702.  
  3703. Reply to this post
  3704.                
  3705. Bobskunk
  3706.        
  3707. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:38 PM
  3708.          uh no that password leak from years ago was a security breach
  3709. passwords were stored in plaintext and were taken from the server
  3710. that was not the fault of any users that you just seem to love blaming, but a fundamental and catastrophic flaw in the way FA operated
  3711. it wasn't "idiots that leak their password" at all holy cow
  3712.  
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  3714.                
  3715. Pi
  3716.        
  3717. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  3718.          Kid, don't sit here telling me about the history of FA's security breaches. I'm sure if you ask around you'll find people who have never spoken to me to hear what I think happened, all of them glad to say something about how one time I hacked the site, took everything down, kicked their puppy and called them a meanyhead.
  3719.  
  3720. Reply to this post
  3721.                
  3722. Chasowolf666
  3723.        
  3724. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:04 PM
  3725.          youd do a crack job fighting against wikileaks :P
  3726.  
  3727. Reply to this post
  3728.                
  3729. Sonious
  3730.        
  3731. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:48 PM
  3732.          Anyone else find it amusing someone sassing someone about being blunt about pressing rape charges and how it can have a bad impact on life is now seeming to white-knight an organization thats leader dodged a rape trial by getting celebrities to post his bail?
  3733.  
  3734. Reply to this post
  3735.                
  3736. The_Hambone
  3737.        
  3738. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:25 PM
  3739.          Obviously because they were leaked without Dragoneer's permission, none of it's real, right?
  3740.  
  3741. Get a clue.
  3742.  
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  3745.                
  3746. makuyi
  3747.        
  3748. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  3749.          i love this post. what neer said to that poor girl pissed me the fuck off beyond comprehension. id love to see those responsible get burned for this and all the other things he's swept under the rug.
  3750.  
  3751. Reply to this post
  3752.                
  3753. Kleemin
  3754.        
  3755. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  3756.          wow I haven't seen what he said to the girl but holy shiiii
  3757.  
  3758. Reply to this post
  3759.                
  3760. makuyi
  3761.        
  3762. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:43 PM
  3763.          oohhh you should. its appalling.
  3764.  
  3765. Reply to this post
  3766.                
  3767. Jandan
  3768.        
  3769. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  3770.          Where can it be found?
  3771.  
  3772. Reply to this post
  3773.                
  3774. Sherman128
  3775.        
  3776. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:52 PM
  3777.         http://img.lulz.net:8080/src/ZAUSHRAPIST.jpg
  3778.  
  3779. Reply to this post
  3780.                
  3781. makuyi
  3782.        
  3783. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  3784.          i meant what neer replied to it. =/ thats what really pissed me off more than anything
  3785.  
  3786. Reply to this post
  3787.                
  3788. Sherman128
  3789.        
  3790. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:58 PM
  3791.          What did he say?
  3792.  
  3793. Reply to this post
  3794.                
  3795. makuyi
  3796.        
  3797. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:59 PM
  3798.          he basically said not to say anything because it would cause drama and ruffle the feathers of zaush's fanbase. not sure where i found the link to it in the first place but i could find it again
  3799.  
  3800. Reply to this post
  3801.                
  3802. Jandan
  3803.        
  3804. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:59 PM
  3805.          Thanks. After asking, I found it linked in a lower post.
  3806.  
  3807. Um. Yeah. No fucking words.
  3808.  
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  3810.                
  3811. Kleemin
  3812.        
  3813. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:04 PM
  3814.          Err. I read it. And honestly, I don't see how he was in the wrong. He basically gave legit advice on the matter. IF she did come forward to FA about it, many Zaush fans would have jumped all over her and harassed the shit out of her. He did say if it was important enough to her to go ahead and come out, but he wanted to make sure she knew exactly what she would be doing so she wouldn't regret it. I mean, I may be missing something. Everyone makes mistakes. It's just what I am extracting from what I read.
  3815.  
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  3817.                
  3818. Kleemin
  3819.        
  3820. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:05 PM
  3821.          Also Dragoneer has a way of badly wording things sometimes, I've noticed. He is, after all, only human.
  3822.  
  3823. Reply to this post
  3824.                
  3825. makuyi
  3826.        
  3827. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:06 PM
  3828.          yeah but still. its appalling. he basically told her to keep her mouth shut to avoid drama. as far as im concerned thats just as bad as what zaush did.
  3829.  
  3830. Reply to this post
  3831.                
  3832. Jandan
  3833.        
  3834. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:11 PM
  3835.          Actually, I admired Zaush's work and figured him to be a decent guy. That's why I have no words.
  3836.  
  3837. As a rape victim, I didn't seem DN's response in the wrong either. What CAN you say to someone in that position? She shouldn't have said anything on site (to Neer or anyone else) and went straight to the fucking cops. However, rape victims (the true victims) are never believed and it's hell to have to relive that moment over and over and over and over again so its no wonder barely any victims step forward. The ones that do are harassed either by the media, court system or their abuser.
  3838.  
  3839. On the other hand, his comments about bestiality earn him a slap in the face should I ever meet him.
  3840.  
  3841. Reply to this post
  3842.                
  3843. Kleemin
  3844.        
  3845. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:15 PM
  3846.          He didn't tell her to though. He only warned her that if she did tell people, they would probably attack her. Which I do believe would happen. He also said if she believed it was a serious enough concern, she should go ahead with it.
  3847.  
  3848. Reply to this post
  3849.                
  3850. Kleemin
  3851.        
  3852. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:17 PM
  3853.          Silly FA, my comment looked to be directed towards you, it is actually directed at
  3854.  
  3855. Though I do appreciate your view on the matter.
  3856.  
  3857. Reply to this post
  3858.                
  3859. makuyi
  3860.        
  3861. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:19 PM
  3862.          you know... what youre saying does make sense. i do understand what youre saying and im starting to agree with you. i just think he could have worded it a little better. =/ my apologies
  3863.  
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  3865.                
  3866. EverboundVenvel
  3867.        
  3868. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:20 PM
  3869.          This needs to go to the police. If this is truely what occured, going to the police would be the wisest course of action. I don't condone what has happened here, but this is a website, not a courtroom. This needs to be dealt with properly, this is not something to be taken AT ALL lightly.
  3870.  
  3871. Reply to this post
  3872.                
  3873. Kleemin
  3874.        
  3875. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:22 PM
  3876.          I completely agree with you that he could have worded things better. I just really didn't believe Dragoneer meant any ill with what he said. It's alright, I don't see any reason for apologies, I'm glad we are similar grounds.
  3877.  
  3878. Reply to this post
  3879.                
  3880. Meep-Jay
  3881.        
  3882. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:24 PM
  3883.          I honestly had no fucking clue who Zaush was until all of this XD
  3884.  
  3885. Reply to this post
  3886.                
  3887. makuyi
  3888.        
  3889. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  3890.          yeah. i agree that it should go to the police. quite honestly i believe she should have gone there first but i understand why she didnt.
  3891.  
  3892. Reply to this post
  3893.                
  3894. makuyi
  3895.        
  3896. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  3897.          yeah. i agree that it should go to the police. quite honestly i believe she should have gone there first but i understand why she didnt.
  3898.  
  3899. Reply to this post
  3900.                
  3901. zhivagod
  3902.        
  3903. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:45 PM
  3904.         http://dl.dropbox.com/u/546166/Phot.....%2040%20AM.jpg
  3905.  
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  3909.                
  3910. EverboundVenvel
  3911.        
  3912. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:59 PM
  3913.          I don't think he meant ill either, but I think he should have definately thought things over. We're all human here, we make big mistakes, we freak out. I wouldn't have done what Dragoneer did (I would have told her to go to the police), but from what I garner he was afraid people would gang up on that poor woman. I'd be freaked out too if I got that note.
  3914.  
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  3916. Reply to this post
  3917.                
  3918. EverboundVenvel
  3919.        
  3920. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:00 PM
  3921.          Comment stacking seems to be messed up...
  3922.  
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  3924.                
  3925. Kleemin
  3926.        
  3927. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:08 PM
  3928.          I understand it was directed at me(I got a notification). I agree as well. I would have done the same thing as 'Neer too, the way she explained things happening, he couldn't have been sure it was a crime, and if it was, why wouldn't she have gone to the police. I've been in the position of being an administrator before and know that under pressure, you can mix up your words. It happens, and you gotta be ready to take the heat when it does.
  3929.  
  3930.  
  3931. idfk what I'm on about anymore :P
  3932.  
  3933. Reply to this post
  3934.                
  3935. Jandan
  3936.        
  3937. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:14 PM
  3938.          Do you have a bigger version? its hard to read.
  3939.  
  3940. Reply to this post
  3941.                
  3942. zhivagod
  3943.        
  3944. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:23 PM
  3945.          Unfortunately not. Ctrl and + might help though.
  3946.  
  3947. Reply to this post
  3948.                
  3949. Jandan
  3950.        
  3951. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:29 PM
  3952.          I tried, and it blurred it something awful though.
  3953.  
  3954. I think I got the gist though. Lies?
  3955.  
  3956. Reply to this post
  3957.                
  3958. zhivagod
  3959.        
  3960. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:33 PM
  3961.          Yes.
  3962.  
  3963. Reply to this post
  3964.                
  3965. Syrinoth
  3966.        
  3967. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:19 PM
  3968.          Thank you for that :)
  3969.  
  3970. Reply to this post
  3971.                
  3972. Holydust
  3973.        
  3974. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:54 PM
  3975.          Yeah... there are no words. That poor girl. That's all I can think right now.
  3976.  
  3977. That poor girl.
  3978.  
  3979. Reply to this post
  3980.                
  3981. makuyi
  3982.        
  3983. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:56 PM
  3984.          yeah. i feel like something could be done.... but idk what
  3985.  
  3986. Reply to this post
  3987.                
  3988. Holydust
  3989.        
  3990. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:17 PM
  3991.          Unfortunately, rape by coercion perpetrated on an easily-manipulated person is often difficult to prosecute, if even possible. I'm afraid it wouldn't look good for her, and based on her transcript talking to the accused, I don't think she'd come forward anyway. It's really too bad he was allegedly too clever to resort to brute force. She'd have a case, then.
  3992.  
  3993. All I can take away from this is to stay far, far away from him.
  3994.  
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  3996.                
  3997. makuyi
  3998.        
  3999. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:19 PM
  4000.          yeah. i would advise the same. i just feel like theres more that we could do but idk what.
  4001.  
  4002. Reply to this post
  4003.                
  4004. Holydust
  4005.        
  4006. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:24 PM
  4007.          The only thing that can really be done in this situation is that the community can stay wary, sadly. And in the furry world, white knights and crazy fandoms tend to wrap even the worst of offenders (sexual predators, grifters, violent types, etc.) in bubble wrap.
  4008.  
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  4010.                
  4011. makuyi
  4012.        
  4013. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:26 PM
  4014.          yep... i really feel bad for her
  4015.  
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  4017.                
  4018. The_Hambone
  4019.        
  4020. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:34 PM
  4021.          Perhaps such a backlash could happen, but if Zaush's fans have their lips affixed so tightly to his asshole that they can't question him even for a moment on something as serious as a rape accusation and feel the need to harass her over it, then every one of them needs to be banned fucking immediately.
  4022.  
  4023. At the very least, Dragoneer could protect her.
  4024.  
  4025. It's not like Adam's a celebrity in the real world, or is sitting on a mountain of cash that she could extort out of him with a lawsuit, so why would she lie about being raped by him?
  4026.  
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  4028.                
  4029. Kleemin
  4030.        
  4031. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:39 PM
  4032.          Regardless, it wasn't really something she should have brought up with him anyway. This topic is beating a dead horse by now, for if you'll read amongst the mass of comments below, people have argued my point on the matter better than I did, and the "victim" in question even stated her thoughts on the subject. I do apologize for not providing any good counterclaims but I have been debating all day and have grown wary.
  4033.  
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  4035.                
  4036. Mishie
  4037.        
  4038. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  4039.          i must be living under a damn rock, or this was well hidden from me
  4040. what the hell is REALLY going on here? O-o
  4041. if someone tells me "nothing" i know its bullshit cuz your obviously pissed beyond believe, but i dont think a lot of people know what is really happening (like myself)
  4042.  
  4043.  
  4044. also, something not even remote to this
  4045. i love your icon XD
  4046.  
  4047. Reply to this post
  4048.                
  4049. Kleemin
  4050.        
  4051. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  4052.          Apparently this. http://bridgeportcat.livejournal.com/96818.html
  4053.  
  4054. News to me, I only just started reading it.
  4055.  
  4056. Reply to this post
  4057.                
  4058. zhivagod
  4059.        
  4060. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:44 PM
  4061.          That girl there is a looney. I tried to discuss some of what she posted but she plugged her ears and screamed LALALALALALA like a child.
  4062.  
  4063. Reply to this post
  4064.                
  4065. Kleemin
  4066.        
  4067. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  4068.          The person I replied to or the person who posted the LJ entry?
  4069.  
  4070. Reply to this post
  4071.                
  4072. zhivagod
  4073.        
  4074. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:49 PM
  4075.          The person who posted the LJ entry.
  4076.  
  4077. Reply to this post
  4078.                
  4079. Kleemin
  4080.        
  4081. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:58 PM
  4082.          Yeah I actually didn't find anything wrong with what Dragoneer said to the girl. He offered advice on what would probably happen if she told people on FA(because you know people would flame her for it. he was just warning her), and if it was a serious enough issue, then she should do it anyway. Idunno. I could be missing something. His actions towards dogfuckers though. UGH.
  4083.  
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  4085.                
  4086. BridgeportCat
  4087.        
  4088. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:55 PM
  4089.          hahahahahahaha lol. I banned you because you were posting triggering shit and a lot of my friends are victims and like hell i'm gonna let them be triggered by your dumbness
  4090.  
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  4092.                
  4093. zhivagod
  4094.        
  4095. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:09 PM
  4096.          You posted a trigger warning in your own journal. Is it really expected that every single comment also include a trigger warning?
  4097.  
  4098. Reply to this post
  4099.                
  4100. BridgeportCat
  4101.        
  4102. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:11 PM
  4103.          anytime someone posts something triggering, there should be a trigger warning
  4104.  
  4105.  
  4106. still doesn't excuse you being all TEE HEE NICE to me in my journal and concerned for me and URF here
  4107.  
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  4109.                
  4110. Groovefox
  4111.        
  4112. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:41 PM
  4113.          Trigger warning: EVERYTHING IS A TRIGGER.
  4114.  
  4115. Did common sense go out the window with FA's security as well?
  4116.  
  4117. Reply to this post
  4118.                
  4119. Groovefox
  4120.        
  4121. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:13 PM
  4122.          I'll take a lack of any rational response as confirmation.
  4123.  
  4124. Reply to this post
  4125.                
  4126. zhivagod
  4127.        
  4128. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:21 PM
  4129.          You're just trolling now, leave us alone please.
  4130.  
  4131. Reply to this post
  4132.                
  4133. Traediras
  4134.        
  4135. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:21 PM
  4136.          Probably.
  4137.  
  4138. Reply to this post
  4139.                
  4140. BridgeportCat
  4141.        
  4142. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:39 PM
  4143.          I honestly don't know what you're talking about?
  4144.  
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  4146.                
  4147. LusoPakak
  4148.        
  4149. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:01 PM
  4150.          You told a rape victim that she shouldn't have gotten raped at 8 years old if she had more confidence and self defense classes. WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT HER TO REPLY WITH? OOOOOOH YOU MAGNIFICENT ECHELON OF INTELLIGENCE AND GOOD SENSE! I SHALL PUT THIS ADVICE ON PRACTICE BY PRACITICING WITH VANDERLEI SILVA AND THEN TELEPORT MY BEEFED UP ESSENCE BACK TO THAT PERIOD
  4151.  
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  4153.                
  4154. zhivagod
  4155.        
  4156. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:07 PM
  4157.          Excuse me but how was I supposed to know she got raped at 8 years old?
  4158.  
  4159. I assumed she was how I used to be.
  4160. Do not assume.
  4161.  
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  4163.                
  4164. zhivagod
  4165.        
  4166. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:07 PM
  4167.          See where assuming gets you?
  4168.  
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  4170.                
  4171. LusoPakak
  4172.        
  4173. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:09 PM
  4174.          Still it was a fucked up thing to say.
  4175.  
  4176. OH YOU GOT RAPED? PFFT WITH SOME CONFIDENCE AND SELF FIGHTING, PERHAPS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN RAPED, ITS YOUR FAULT, REALLY
  4177.  
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  4179.                
  4180. zhivagod
  4181.        
  4182. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:15 PM
  4183.          That was not what I said at all and I do not appreciate you putting words into my mouth.
  4184.  
  4185. Reply to this post
  4186.                
  4187. BridgeportCat
  4188.        
  4189. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:18 PM
  4190.          "PS: If you really mean attackers as in pural, you really need to take some self defense courses and work on strengthening your self confidence and strength. I truely am sorry for you."
  4191.  
  4192. you're telling me that apparently to prevent being raped again (I assume?) you want me to take self defense classes and get self confidence. A) I have self confidence liek a motherfucker or I wouldn't have gone forward with this shit, period. b) I'm not physically weak (depending on who you ask) and I do know how to defend myself. When you're in that situation, though, sometimes you get too scared to do anything. I know I was, and even though I knew how to stop him I was[TOO GODDAMNED SCARED AND PARALYZED to do anything.
  4193.  
  4194. this is how that shit works.
  4195.  
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  4197.                
  4198. zhivagod
  4199.        
  4200. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:21 PM
  4201.          I am sorry, I can see now that I may have (er, well, I guess more like did) word that wrong. I assure you that the translation you've given was not the intended message at all.
  4202.  
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  4204.                
  4205. Mishie
  4206.        
  4207. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:59 PM
  4208.          holy
  4209. shit.
  4210. that is creepy, if he prays on smaller chicks, i worry for others on FA. though im 4"9 i doubt this would happen to me but i still worry for all the other girls out there
  4211. though, that girl seems a little.. uhh, out of place?
  4212. if i was being sexually harassed i wouldnt of went over there in the first place
  4213. OR took off my shirt for a massage, it just seems stupid doing that when someone is harassing you for sex
  4214. i think zaush is sure as hell in the wrong for doing that shit
  4215. but she is no better IMO for continuing to contact him, remove her top and stay at his place, but i still feel so sorry for her
  4216.  
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  4218.                
  4219. Syrinoth
  4220.        
  4221. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:28 PM
  4222.          There are a lot of things VERY wrong with that note, not the least of which is the source it came from.
  4223. All we have to go on is a screencap of a note released from someone trying to do damage to reputations and the silence of the accused and victims, which isn't anything conclusive in the slightest.
  4224.  
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  4226.                
  4227. Vitae
  4228.        
  4229. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:44 PM
  4230.          I think you just voiced everything that I've been thinking. HOW DID YOU ENTER MY THOUGHTS. MIND RAPE, YOU RAPED MY MIND.
  4231. It was totally worth it, DO IT AGAIN.
  4232.  
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  4234.                
  4235. Vandell
  4236.        
  4237. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  4238.          If she was truly molested and is not speaking hearsay, she should have taken it to the police first and foremost. So unless she does otherwise, I'm going to question her victimhood. Everyone should. It's on the crux of the victim to show guilt, and a sad story is anything but proof. Anyone who goes public with "I was raped" without having real evidence or court documents is just trying to garner support and/or trying to take someone down - they're pushing an agenda. Maybe there's an element of truth to her tale, but we simply don't know. In fact, going by some screencaps released by Zaush himself, it sheds serious doubt on the girl's plight.
  4239.  
  4240. What's stopping me from calling you a rapist right now? Under your logic, everyone who calls someone a rapist should be immediately b& and v& without due process.
  4241.  
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  4243.                
  4244. verix
  4245.        
  4246. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:53 PM
  4247.          Zaush is a manipulative narcissistic sociopath who has a long history of being creepy as fuck to other girls, similar to the tales that were described in her note. you have a extremely simplistic world view if you actually think that all victims are even capable of reporting their crimes. "fear of repercussion" is essentially one of the biggest reasons rapes go unreported, whether or not that fear is rational. immediately questioning the honesty of the victim is just as bad as immediately questioning the honesty of the assailant-- but Zaush has a history, so the onus is on him to prove that he's not being a creep this time.
  4248.  
  4249. Reply to this post
  4250.                
  4251. Vandell
  4252.        
  4253. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:02 PM
  4254.          So bringing it out into the public has no repercussions? Going to the police has fewer social repercussions, because at least they keep their investigations as privately conducted as possible. With that story out in the open as it is, it's her word vs. his. When it comes to that, Zaush will win due to his follower count alone. You're turning her possible rape into a popularity contest.
  4255.  
  4256. And for what it's worth you're tossing out Zaush's "manipulative narcissistic sociopathic"-iness like it's common knowledge. To me, I know of no such history, so the crux is on Ferality to prove guilt if she's the one accusing.
  4257.  
  4258. Reply to this post
  4259.                
  4260. verix
  4261.        
  4262. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:06 PM
  4263.          so your wilful ignorance of his history is justification to continue putting onus on the victim?
  4264.  
  4265. lol why am I even arguing with you, you're just having a debate on the internet to watch yourself write.
  4266.  
  4267. Reply to this post
  4268.                
  4269. Vandell
  4270.        
  4271. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:24 PM
  4272.          Since I'm taking the stance of neutrality and awaiting further evidence, I'm the one who's ignorant? We're all ignorant, since none of us know the facts but Zaush, Keovi and Ferality.
  4273.  
  4274. I have no idea of Zaush's past history. There are very few things I can conclusively say about the guy: He is known to have a temper. He is sexually active. He had an open relationship with Keovi. He likes short women. And he is meticulous as fuck. What is this history you keep bringing up? Do you have anything outside of an ED article or hearsay to go on? Do you have personal experience with the guy? Somehow, I doubt it.
  4275.  
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  4277.                
  4278. Groovefox
  4279.        
  4280. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:44 PM
  4281.          "lol why am I even arguing with you, you're just having a debate on the internet to watch yourself write. "
  4282.  
  4283. Speak for yourself, whiteknight.
  4284.  
  4285. Reply to this post
  4286.                
  4287. verix
  4288.        
  4289. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:16 PM
  4290.          I am speaking for myself, do you see me flapping my argumentative trap still? :P
  4291.  
  4292. u mad bro
  4293.  
  4294. Reply to this post
  4295.                
  4296. makuyi
  4297.        
  4298. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:29 PM
  4299.          i agree. u mad
  4300.  
  4301. Reply to this post
  4302.                
  4303. sulacoyote
  4304.        
  4305. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:09 AM
  4306.          Not all everyone speaking here is ignorant to what's really gone on with Zaush. A lot of them haven't been able to speak due to respecting the privacy of his victims. As much as it's desirable to just expose every fucked up thing he's done over the years, not all of his victims are comfortable with their involvement with him being made public.
  4307.  
  4308. You might be ignorant of what's going on, but don't make the assumption everyone else is.
  4309.  
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  4311.                
  4312. Chasowolf666
  4313.        
  4314. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:12 PM
  4315.          It isnt a popularity contest if people with half a brain stop sucking on his dick and look at the facts. Those who still decide to suck have no argument
  4316.  
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  4318.                
  4319. Syrinoth
  4320.        
  4321. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:53 PM
  4322.          I've been finding a severe lack of facts when it comes to Zaush. Could you possibly direct me to them?
  4323.  
  4324. Reply to this post
  4325.                
  4326. Chasowolf666
  4327.        
  4328. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:11 PM
  4329.          Notes keep coming out but ok http://bridgeportcat.livejournal.com/96818.html information is here not all of it though ill come back to this post and link you some more once I find the original link seems I saved an invalid web page XD
  4330.  
  4331. But of course proving rape isnt easy to do especially online :P
  4332.  
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  4334.                
  4335. Syrinoth
  4336.        
  4337. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:15 PM
  4338.          I've seen that page, but it is devoid of fact. Just some screencaps from a very shady source and a lot of jumping to conclusions. In fact, someone above here posted a link that shows to the contrary. So we've got two sides to a story but nothing from the actual people involved. I'd say we have very little to go on *~*'
  4339.  
  4340. Reply to this post
  4341.                
  4342. Chasowolf666
  4343.        
  4344. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:17 PM
  4345.          Well all I know is the site was hacked and information was leaked and let me search for the link if that is true
  4346.  
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  4348.                
  4349. Syrinoth
  4350.        
  4351. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:20 PM
  4352.          And you're absolutely right, rape is very difficult to prove online. The only purpose for bringing that out publically was to smear names by appealing to the ignorant. Hey, it works for Fox News ;)
  4353.  
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  4355.                
  4356. Chasowolf666
  4357.        
  4358. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:27 PM
  4359.          I hate fox news and really I think it was to make sure people would be cautious around the artist who did the act.
  4360.  
  4361. http://forums.vivisector.org/index......9.html#msg3899
  4362.  
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  4364.                
  4365. Chasowolf666
  4366.        
  4367. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:28 PM
  4368.          sry my connection went all blah FA of course is being a bit shitty atm XD but the link has a good amount to read up on
  4369.  
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  4371.                
  4372. Syrinoth
  4373.        
  4374. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:45 PM
  4375.          No worries. There've been signs the sites about to get even bumpier in the days ahead.
  4376.  
  4377. Ah, thanks for that.
  4378. From what I've been able to gather, there was no actual rape, just a big clash of insecurities causing series misunderstandings. We'll probably never really know, but then it wasn't our business in the first place ^^'
  4379.  
  4380. Reply to this post
  4381.                
  4382. Chasowolf666
  4383.        
  4384. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:48 PM
  4385.          as far as I have seen in the notes and leaked bits it was rape he took advantage of an emotionally insecure girl who was intimidated by him. Yeah well its still better to express an opinion if you have one then totally shut up about it. In the past criminals have been banned on FA it should still be enforced.
  4386.  
  4387. Reply to this post
  4388.                
  4389. Syrinoth
  4390.        
  4391. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:59 PM
  4392.          They're both emotionally insecure, and there's two sides to every story.
  4393. She consented to it and then told him later it made her uncomfortable. Last I checked rape did not contain consent.
  4394.  
  4395. I wasn't talking about any opinions, I was referring to the note and incident. As even Ferality said in Neer's latest journal, this was not for the internet to have anything to do with. If it was actual rape, you call the police, not go to a website admin for advice.
  4396.  
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  4398.                
  4399. Chasowolf666
  4400.        
  4401. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:15 AM
  4402.          Yeah true and well still if she was emotionally down enough and as the journal I read said intimidated by him afraid confused etc. Sure she let him do it but an emotionally destroyed and afraid person isn't exactly at their best judgment and it should be up to the other person to ease off.
  4403.  
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  4405.                
  4406. Syrinoth
  4407.        
  4408. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:30 AM
  4409.          How is the person supposed to know to ease off if the other person is telling them everything is okay unless they are trembling like a chihuahua when they say it? In fact, since all the evidence we have pretty much has equal weight, she acted completely cool with it until after the fact. That's not rape. That's miscommunication. She didn't tell him no, and didn't tell him he intimidated her, so he probably didn't even know that.
  4410.  
  4411. This lack of communication happens all too often, and I don't think it makes anyone a rapist. It would be rape if he knew she didn't want it and did it anyway. But according to logs that hold just as much water as the ones that started this mess, he didn't know she wasn't cool with it until after the fact (Ya know, unless some new revealing evidence has been splashed up on the interwebs that reveals the contrary!).
  4412.  
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  4414.                
  4415. Chasowolf666
  4416.        
  4417. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:32 AM
  4418.          Yeah true sry :P
  4419.  
  4420. Reply to this post
  4421.                
  4422. Syrinoth
  4423.        
  4424. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:37 AM
  4425.          Is all good dude. This whole thing's a mess anyway. FA is an angry beehive right now.
  4426.  
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  4428.                
  4429. Chasowolf666
  4430.        
  4431. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:42 AM
  4432.          Bees? im allergic D: -dies- nah im not and sorry to those who are D: anyway lol.. yeah I let myself get to rabble rabble at points I posted a journal about it if anyone wants to check it out. I said what I said but im dont right now when I get more information ill say w.e for now christmas is in 6 days and FA is a mess those are top priorities until further notice XD well that and all the political BS I involve myself with X3 meh anyway good conversing with everyone even though the subject is fn horrible its good we can share our opinions in such a loving environment with both sides wanting to kill each other. Still I haven't been on the forums im wondering is there a debate section or no since itd end in flame wars D:
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  4437. Holydust
  4438.        
  4439. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:56 PM
  4440.          I wish everyone would read this comment. Perfectly good guys don't get a rep with multiple people as a sociopathic creep by being sweet and kind. It's just the way of things. One rumor can drift, but it will eventually deflate. More, and there's something to it. It's common sense.
  4441.  
  4442. Reply to this post
  4443.                
  4444. subversive-imaginati
  4445.        
  4446. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:59 PM
  4447.        
  4448. Have you seen how pitiful the rape conviction rate is?! Not to mention going to court is a horrific trial and that's only IF the prosecution service decides that there's enough evidence to prosecute the rapist.
  4449.  
  4450. If it's only your word against the rapist's? Then even if a blind mole could see the perp is as guilty as they come, most of the time they don't prosecute the perp. Thanks to the appalling rate of prosecution, I know of no less than five pedophiles who walk the streets still, one of the scuzzballs raped a child who was under ten, got away with it and now lives with a woman who has young children.
  4451.  
  4452. Many victims especially ones who suffer from low self esteem or other problems do not report it to the police for just those reasons and they should NOT be required to in order to be believed.
  4453.  
  4454. Reply to this post
  4455.                
  4456. Vandell
  4457.        
  4458. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:11 PM
  4459.          Proving rape is in of itself hard to quantify and prove. Until there's a camera in every dark alley and in every house, it will remain that way. I would rather see guilty people go free than destroying an innocent person's life, because that life could very well be mine one day.
  4460.  
  4461. Here's an analogy: A good friend of mine is currently being taken to court by a vindictive girl, who accuses him of rape and assault. Everyone who knows the guy knows that he wouldn't hurt a fly, but had the bad luck to date a spiteful skank who has a cop for a father. There's nothing me or my friends can do at this point, and all outcomes point to him being fined much more than he can afford and likely being jailed.
  4462.  
  4463. So yes, I thoroughly think that if you come out with rape allegations, be prepared to defend them with whatever evidence you have. A man or woman's livelihood should not be an easy thing to tamper with.
  4464.  
  4465. Reply to this post
  4466.                
  4467. subversive-imaginati
  4468.        
  4469. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:22 PM
  4470.        
  4471. Guilty people tend to reoffend, a rape accusations is a serious accusation very few people ever falsely accuse someone. What part of the vast majority of rapists are not being caught until they've raped people repeatedly sounds like a good idea?
  4472.  
  4473. But hey let's just spread the complete nonsense that zomg wimmins is always making up fake rape accusations and getting poor widdle innocent mens in troublez, seems like every rape apologist has some friend who is totally being accused of rape by a mean bitch and he's gonna be jailed despite genuine rape cases rarely being pursued in court at all.
  4474.  
  4475. Hell my local had a ZERO conviction rate on child rapists, but I suppose those children just made it all up did they?
  4476.  
  4477. Reply to this post
  4478.                
  4479. Vandell
  4480.        
  4481. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:32 PM
  4482.          I am hereby accusing you of raping me, from a year ago today. Do you have anything in your defense to prove otherwise? No? OMGYOUAREGUILTY!!!! Using your logic, you should be socially ostracized and/or sent to court right now.
  4483.  
  4484. It's unfortunate we don't have some kind of magical machine to know if people are lying, but the fact of the matter is that people do. Maybe Ferality is embellishing or maybe she's not, but until the day we have a Dr. Lightman in every courthouse in the world, we should not abide to accusing innocent people of crimes they did not commit.
  4485.  
  4486. Reply to this post
  4487.                
  4488. subversive-imaginati
  4489.        
  4490. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:38 PM
  4491.        
  4492. There's a large ocean between us and I've never set foot outside of two countries. In short you're being silly.
  4493.  
  4494. As I said very few people do lie about it, any case you hear about where someone is not prosecuted is 95% more likely to be a truthful case that fell victim to how fucked up the justice system is than it is to be some twisted person lying about it.
  4495.  
  4496. When we can actually get a decent percentage of guilty fuckers actually put away for being guilty then we need to worry about false cases, until then the chances of an innocent person actually being sent down on a woman's word alone are vanishingly small, given that they can't convict assholes who've left their victims covered in blood and clearly traumatised.
  4497.  
  4498. Reply to this post
  4499.                
  4500. subversive-imaginati
  4501.        
  4502. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:50 PM
  4503.        
  4504. Considering that the decision to waive one's right to anonymity is something to be considered carefully. Rape, molestation or anything that involves dubious consent is one of the few issues that often results in the victim's sex life, behaviour, dress sense and other qualities being put on trial.
  4505.  
  4506. I wouldn't be concerned for the backlash so much as the effect it would have on the victim, people have killed themselves simply because others have believed their molester/rapist/abuser over them and proceded to abuse and accuse them.
  4507.  
  4508. Personally in the same situation, I would encourage the victim to seek counselling, speak to people who can better advise them on the matter and ultimately consider whether making a formal complaint to the police is in order.
  4509.  
  4510. I would never encourage them to out the situation on the furry website, lose their right to anonymity and suffer the backlash of the usual cluster of idiots, fantards and douchebags.
  4511.  
  4512. Reply to this post
  4513.                
  4514. Sherman128
  4515.        
  4516. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:51 PM
  4517.          Oh my bad I thought this shout got deleted  
  4518.  
  4519. Reply to this post
  4520.                
  4521. Groovefox
  4522.        
  4523. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:17 PM
  4524.          "I will make your empire burn to ashes. the furry community doesn't need you or your fucking idiotic empire of beauracratic pacifistic bullshit. and I know that you know I can make that happen. and I know that when the dust settles, the only proof you'll have is this post, which will ultimately amount to nothing. I can do this completely legally."
  4525.  
  4526. Please, you were powerless back then, you still are now.
  4527.  
  4528. Remember why you got ousted and ostracized from our site?
  4529.  
  4530. Idle threats like this.
  4531.  
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  4533.                
  4534. verix
  4535.        
  4536. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:57 PM
  4537.          haha, SA did me a favor for ejecting me. :) I didn't belong on that site-- it was extremely foolish of me to think I could fit in with those folks. they were right for doxing me as hard as they did.
  4538.  
  4539. you have no idea what I'm capable of or what I know now, and I'm going to keep it that way. :)
  4540.  
  4541. Reply to this post
  4542.                
  4543. Groovefox
  4544.        
  4545. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:12 PM
  4546.          You assume SA.
  4547.  
  4548. You assume wrong, sir.
  4549.  
  4550. I'm nowhere NEAR affiliated with SA. In fact, given half a chance, I'd rip lowtax's head off just so I could say I did it.
  4551.  
  4552. Reply to this post
  4553.                
  4554. verix
  4555.        
  4556. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:17 PM
  4557.          whoa! what site was I ostracized from then? I don't even remember.
  4558.  
  4559. Reply to this post
  4560.                
  4561. verix
  4562.        
  4563. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:35 PM
  4564.          omg wait, is it Graal related? :D 'cause that shit's fuckin' OLD.
  4565.  
  4566. Reply to this post
  4567.                
  4568. verix
  4569.        
  4570. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:08 PM
  4571.          also, don't rewrite history. I got my dox dropped because I was a gigantic fucking hypocrite-- I had no right to mock others when I was even more mockable than my targets. if I continue to be a hypocrite, then I continue to deserve to be tarnished.
  4572.  
  4573. I learned a lot that day, believe you me. why do you think I'm not there anymore? :)
  4574.  
  4575. Reply to this post
  4576.                
  4577. Renard_V
  4578.        
  4579. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  4580.          i know it's been forever since we've talked
  4581.  
  4582. but i love you for this
  4583.  
  4584. Reply to this post
  4585.                
  4586. Aloci
  4587.        
  4588. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  4589.          I'm just going to leave this here.
  4590.  
  4591. "Fuck Zaush."
  4592. Popularity does not give you a fucking free ride.
  4593.  
  4594. Come on 'Neer.
  4595. Suspend him.
  4596. Ban him.
  4597. He's already got his gallery wiped for your convenience.
  4598.  
  4599. Reply to this post
  4600.                
  4601. dog_over_man
  4602.        
  4603. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:50 PM
  4604.          You basically said everything I was thinking. Thanks for that. I haven't been in a mood to type up a response better then "MAN I SURE WOULD HATE TO LEAVE A SITE THAT GENERATES A LOT OF INCOME FOR ME THAT I NEVER PAY FOR BECAUSE IT IS FLAWED TO FUCK AND THE SITE OWNER IS A RAPE APOLOGIST"
  4605.  
  4606. But you got it all out for me.
  4607. And you're awesome. Thank you.
  4608.  
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  4610.                
  4611. BridgeportCat
  4612.        
  4613. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:32 PM
  4614.          For god's sake TAKE THE SITE DOWN
  4615.  
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  4617.                
  4618. panda66
  4619.        
  4620. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:36 PM
  4621.          I don't really see a need.
  4622.  
  4623. A large number of people went unaffected.
  4624. Should they have to worry about the incompetence of those who are overreacting?
  4625.  
  4626. Reply to this post
  4627.                
  4628. Sherman128
  4629.        
  4630. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  4631.          Notice how the shout about the one I am replying to got deleted?  
  4632.  
  4633. Reply to this post
  4634.                
  4635. Dragoneer
  4636.        
  4637. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  4638.          I haven't deleted anything on this journal.
  4639.  
  4640. Reply to this post
  4641.                
  4642. Sherman128
  4643.        
  4644. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:43 PM
  4645.          I was reading the shout and when i refreshed the page it was gone  
  4646.  
  4647. Reply to this post
  4648.                
  4649. Sherman128
  4650.        
  4651. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  4652.          Sorry I didn't see it bump.  
  4653.  
  4654. Reply to this post
  4655.                
  4656. Sherman128
  4657.        
  4658. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  4659.          I meant above
  4660.  
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  4663.                
  4664. Chasowolf666
  4665.        
  4666. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:14 PM
  4667.          It doesnt need to be taken down just heavily revised and by keeping it up allows the public to share its opinion and have a voice to what should be going on. Also if its taken down users comments and users can be banned without notice
  4668.  
  4669. Reply to this post
  4670.                
  4671. KhaosParadox
  4672.        
  4673. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  4674.          Don't know if you read what I said in the last journal.
  4675. But my advice is don't sugarcoat things and actually take real action and triple check everything before saying it is ok. Did Sciggles get hacked or leaked or threatened to be??
  4676.  
  4677. Reply to this post
  4678.                
  4679. DreKozar
  4680.        
  4681. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  4682.          Why do I get the feeling this originates from someone that had the past porn decision strike a nerve and drive them balls-to-the-wall insane?
  4683.  
  4684. Reply to this post
  4685.                
  4686. goldanthrowolf1
  4687.        
  4688. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  4689.          Since you apparently deleted the other one, which has been capped for prosperity sake, here is my comment to yours:
  4690.  
  4691.  
  4692.  
  4693. Bud, I'm calling bologna on this. I've been awake pretty much the last three days, and FA's been available for most of it. Yes, there was the initial defacing and vandalism of the website, but, the MOMENT you heard that there was deeper hacking going on, like I stated, you should have 'pulled the plug'.
  4694.  
  4695. I'm sure your staff and you have good connections, and one of them could have called you while you were sleeping, or away, to deal with this. You, AND your staff lost ALL administrator access, and it remained operational. You knowingly KNEW there was a deliberate and hostile attack going on, yet, you let the website remain active. As I stated, you needed to pull the plug, go to the physical server, retake your administrative rights and solved this issue, yet, you've chosen to try to fix this problem remotely? As I said, even Inkbunny pre-emptly had their 'issue' and pulled the plug, you should have done the same.
  4696.  
  4697. This is some seriously BAD management practice, if not ethical decisions as well. Sadly, the damage IS done, and there is no amount of pandering and white washing to cover this up. FA is supposed to be a 'beacon' for the fandom, an example for the fandom and a haven for people, regardless of the content and the choices that you and your staff make upon said content, or the users it houses. I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say at this point your choices have been very poor and very damning in the face of respect and possibility of people ever trusting you and your staff again with the security and the safety of their private information. I myself could really care less, as I don't choose to do anything worth merit here, that would/could risky any sort of backlash, not that I do anyways, but the people who have been exposed? People have VERY thin skins in furry, we know this for a fact.
  4698.  
  4699. Needless to say Sean, you won't find it hard to now find all the 'leaks' out there, and with that said, it's on your shoulders to do the damage control, and yours alone. I really hope you have the fortitude to deal with this, because over the next week or two, as more information comes to light, which the supposed perpetrators have said, you can really deal with this adequately.
  4700.  
  4701. Take or leave my comments as you wish, but 20+ years in the semi-professional IT field, and 15+ years in furry to see the rise and fall of many websites/groups over the years, with the adoration that people have, and have put into your for your website, you need to be LESS jovial and caviler in this. 8 years ago I had to testify on behalf of a person I was working with/helping due to a singular person complaining about some information on a website not being removed, a name and a phone number, this cost him $8000 in court fines/fees, and he was even let off the hook, do you really have that kind of income to deal with any sort of thing like this?
  4702.  
  4703. You are NOT in the playground bud, as much as I'm sure you and your staff would like to pretend it is, you are the #1 website for the fandom, and I really hope that after this you will honestly take a step back, take a deep breath and allow some people who know what they're doing to help out and fix up the errors, or help out in a more calm and managed way.
  4704.  
  4705. Reply to this post
  4706.                
  4707. wolfeedarkfang
  4708.        
  4709. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  4710.          I don't condone hacking or phishing or whatever they did, but i got a chance to read the infamous leaked notes. I am saddened that in regards to the situation of my comic drawing being removed because silverwingcid false flagged it, you and none of your admins lifted a finger to help me but you definitely answered cid's notes and took action on several requests he made. It makes me feel as though you are being biased. Or as if i must be on some black list of people you refuse to help. I mean cmon i messaged you, and several other admins, i filed support tickets, and even emailed the site. Nothing got done. Not even a generic answer. I've even had support tickets before, expire from inactivity because nobody even looked at them. Yet after reading your notes, you were reading and responding to your notes. Just not mine... I had a submission removed under false pretenses and nothing was ever done about it. It was this image. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5776250/Hap.....rom_Wolfee.png Can you give me a answer and possibly rectify this situation for me please? If so i may change my mind about having doubts about where this site is heading. Heck I'd even apologize for doubting you if you would just do something to fix this. If I was a admin here i could fix some things for ya.
  4711.  
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  4713.                
  4714. wolfeedarkfang
  4715.        
  4716. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:35 PM
  4717.          Reposted this becuase i would like a answer...
  4718.  
  4719. Reply to this post
  4720.                
  4721. summercat
  4722.        
  4723. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  4724.          You should be getting an answer, but right now coder and admin attention is on preventing more issues from coming up.
  4725.  
  4726. Once that is done, fixing the damage and a review of actions will occur.
  4727.  
  4728. Reply to this post
  4729.                
  4730. wolfeedarkfang
  4731.        
  4732. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  4733.          I sure hope. because from what i saw on the notes, it makes me feel as if I'm on a list of people to ignore all tickets and help requests from.
  4734.  
  4735. Reply to this post
  4736.                
  4737. SilverBird
  4738.        
  4739. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  4740.          stupid tickets are bound to be ignored and you positively qualify
  4741.  
  4742. (and even non-stupid ones get ignored occasionally, because they get like 100 or so per day)
  4743.  
  4744. Reply to this post
  4745.                
  4746. summercat
  4747.        
  4748. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:58 PM
  4749.          There's no list of people who are ignored. What happens is that there's shortage of available admin time to work on and investigate tickets, and with the way the ticket system works, tickets can EASILY get buried.
  4750.  
  4751. Reply to this post
  4752.                
  4753. goldanthrowolf1
  4754.        
  4755. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:46 PM
  4756.          Don't feel bad man, from what I've garned from most of the 'leaks' I've read, the staff has been basically skipping a majority of issues. To play devils advocate here, yes, they have a lot of issues thrown at them, but, that dose not excuse the 'unread' status of a great deal of them.
  4757.  
  4758. Reply to this post
  4759.                
  4760. SilverBird
  4761.        
  4762. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:50 PM
  4763.          nobody cares about your stupid little bitchfight with cinderblock cid silverwing
  4764.  
  4765. why are you still on this site :/
  4766. gb2youtube
  4767.  
  4768. and tl;dr and dramarrific as ever I see
  4769.  
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  4771.                
  4772. November
  4773.        
  4774. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:34 PM
  4775.          So are heads going to roll or not? I seem to recall that as soon as news of the Gawker hacking was announced, you posted a journal recommending that users change their passwords. Yet it was one of your own administrative staff whose incompetence led to this debacle?
  4776.  
  4777. It seems FA is always doing reactionary moves instead of preventive actions. Now that people's personal information have been compromised, this one is going to linger far longer than the debate about any policy change this site has ever had to deal with. >:[
  4778.  
  4779. Reply to this post
  4780.                
  4781. Dragoneer
  4782.        
  4783. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  4784.          There's a bit more to it than that, honestly.
  4785.  
  4786. Reply to this post
  4787.                
  4788. November
  4789.        
  4790. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:43 PM
  4791.          The problem is someone's account was compromised because they failed to exercise common sense. The question is what's going to happen to that someone because considering the damage that have been done to people's personal lives, that someone better be worth a whole damn lot to this site and community. A whole damn lot.
  4792.  
  4793. Reply to this post
  4794.                
  4795. necronomicon
  4796.        
  4797. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:48 PM
  4798.          Their head needs to roll.
  4799.  
  4800. Reply to this post
  4801.                
  4802. Drakea_Snowpaw
  4803.        
  4804. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:19 PM
  4805.          So what you're trying to say is "find a suitable scape goat so that we can put all of the problem on that single person."
  4806.  
  4807. You're a pretty cool guy, you.
  4808.  
  4809. Reply to this post
  4810.                
  4811. Williamca
  4812.        
  4813. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:26 PM
  4814.          I believe Dragoneer stated before that the Gawker Media issue was not even related to this.
  4815.  
  4816. Reply to this post
  4817.                
  4818. November
  4819.        
  4820. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:28 PM
  4821.          Then it's even more absurd that an admin's password got compromised. Completely incompetent administration team.
  4822.  
  4823. Reply to this post
  4824.                
  4825. Williamca
  4826.        
  4827. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:35 PM
  4828.          Well you say "an" admins password, then you say incompetent administration, thus implying you mean more than one. You can't really blame everyone for ones stupidity in an issue. Least I pray not others had the same issue :|
  4829.  
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  4831.                
  4832. Hipstar
  4833.        
  4834. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  4835.          I think this is the best post I've read in this journal.
  4836.  
  4837. Reply to this post
  4838.                
  4839. DakotaMalamute
  4840.        
  4841. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:58 PM
  4842.          Unfortunately common sense is something a lot of people lack anymore. And, even more unfortunately, the ones with the least common sense always are the ones with the most power and who are in charge.
  4843.  
  4844. Reply to this post
  4845.                
  4846. tcyk89
  4847.        
  4848. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:36 PM
  4849.          Now if we can control the information leaked to lulz.net, maybe we'd be in business.  But this is an improvement.
  4850.  
  4851. Reply to this post
  4852.                
  4853. Anokorok
  4854.        
  4855. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:37 PM
  4856.         EVERYONE CALM DOWN
  4857.  
  4858. THE HACKERS HAVE DUN GOOF'D AND THE CYBERPOLICE ARE ON THEIR WAY
  4859.  
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  4862.                
  4863. Sherman128
  4864.        
  4865. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:42 PM
  4866.          He doesn't like being called that  
  4867.  
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  4869.                
  4870. troc_9116
  4871.        
  4872. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:49 PM
  4873.          I am still doing that until I get bored >.>
  4874.  
  4875. Reply to this post
  4876.                
  4877. Anokorok
  4878.        
  4879. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:50 PM
  4880.          I'd get banned if I said that, my comment hidden, and IP address backtraced.
  4881.  
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  4883.                
  4884. troc_9116
  4885.        
  4886. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:52 PM
  4887.          meh your probrably right besides he has enough trouble already
  4888.  
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  4890.                
  4891. SilverBird
  4892.        
  4893. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:00 PM
  4894.          >>THE HACKERS HAVE DUN GOOF'D AND THE CYBERPOLICE ARE ON THEIR WAY
  4895.  
  4896. Still doesn't change the fact that thousands of furries now have hundreds of megabytes worth of secret admin serious business to flip through
  4897. and the hackers were behind 7 proxies, so I don't think we'll ever catch them
  4898.  
  4899. but at least, LET'S HOPE ..that we regained control of the site.
  4900.  
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  4902.                
  4903. Clayton
  4904.        
  4905. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:32 AM
  4906.          made my day a whole lot better
  4907.  
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  4909.                
  4910. Drayk
  4911.        
  4912. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  4913.          So many people whining and complaining about the unbearableness of things. Yet they're still here. Well hopefully the restoration process isn't a grueling one for you and the rest of the staff. I hope things go smoothly for you guys trying to get this all sorted out.
  4914.  
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  4916.                
  4917. Tracker623
  4918.        
  4919. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  4920.          And they will never leave, unfortunately.
  4921.  
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  4923.                
  4924. Shadowill
  4925.        
  4926. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  4927.          Dragoneer
  4928.  
  4929. You just lost the game
  4930.  
  4931. Reply to this post
  4932.                
  4933. JamestheDoc
  4934.        
  4935. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:38 PM
  4936.         http://bridgeportcat.livejournal.com/96818.html
  4937.  
  4938. I'm still waiting for the journal where you discuss this stuff and the actual state of the site's security. This is liability for you and the site itself, not to mention the 41 compromised users. There were glaring holes in site security and it's obvious how well they were addressed previously.
  4939.  
  4940. There is a lot of information out there that reflects poorly on the site and its administration, and also reveals things that may or may not have legal implications. I'm not an expert on the internet and the law surrounding it, but stuff like a potential rape-victim and knowledge/acceptance of animal-abusers on the site in light of a zero-tolerance policy carry some weight.
  4941.  
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  4943.                
  4944. Kleemin
  4945.        
  4946. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  4947.          thx 4 link+reading now.  
  4948.  
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  4950.                
  4951. summercat
  4952.        
  4953. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:43 PM
  4954.          James, right now the priority is preventing further damage. Once the coders have said they feel FA is secure, admins can move on to answering what has come up from this.
  4955.  
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  4958.                
  4959. Inaki
  4960.        
  4961. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:36 PM
  4962.          Er let me rephrase that. 5 years and counting since the site was last secure.
  4963.  
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  4965.                
  4966. summercat
  4967.        
  4968. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:41 PM
  4969.          Ah, so that's what the 'comment deleted' thing was about.
  4970.  
  4971. And I can't comment on the state of the code. I honestly can't. I am NOT a website programmer. I make random widgets in Python.
  4972.  
  4973. From what I understand of the website's history, is that it was originally a kitbashed project by Alkora that took off WAY before it was ready. *shrug*
  4974.  
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  4978.                
  4979. Inaki
  4980.        
  4981. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  4982.          This is fairly accurate. Sorry my first comment was a little unclear. :)
  4983.  
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  4985.                
  4986. summercat
  4987.        
  4988. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:53 PM
  4989.          I didn't even see it before you killed it n.n
  4990.  
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  4992.                
  4993. zhivagod
  4994.        
  4995. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  4996.         http://dl.dropbox.com/u/546166/Phot.....%2040%20AM.jpg
  4997.  
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  4999.                
  5000. starfox246
  5001.        
  5002. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  5003.          nice id dragoneer
  5004.  
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  5006.                
  5007. Monkeykitten
  5008.        
  5009. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  5010.          Reiterating what I wrote before because it is still relevant:
  5011.  
  5012. Paraphrasing:
  5013. Not sure if this issue leaves FA with potential to be in legal trouble - have seen other sites handle this by offering compensation to people whose info was leaked and am not sure if this was just to be professional or of this was covering their metaphorical ass because they could have been sued and whatnot. In response to your comment, Dragoneer, I mentioned that I was referring to your liability (as site owner) and not that of the hacker. Also inviting someone who actually knows something about the relevant legal junk to jump in and tell me what's up. Don't really know if FA as a website is at risk, but if my info was compromised I'd be looking for someone to answer it, and if the hacker is anonymous, it'd be the website that was hacked that might be the next in line for the blame. Just thinking, don't know if this is the actual procedure for these things, just making an assumption based on past experience.
  5014.  
  5015. Copypaste that I still had available:
  5016. What's important to note here is that, even though Dragoneer is not law enforcement, a therapist, or any authority on the subject of sexual harassment/abuse/rape/etc, as the head of this community he is respected and trusted by the userbase - obviously enough that someone would give him the de tails about such a situation asking for advice before administrative action. If nothing else, it's important to know how to properly direct people like this to someone who can handle it if you don't feel you can handle that sort of thing yourself.
  5017.  
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  5019.                
  5020. DreKozar
  5021.        
  5022. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:44 PM
  5023.          Since the site doesn't require a fee to use, chances are info's sent between members at their own risk/consent. Yea, I could send my credit card numbers to my boyfriend through the Note system. I'd be retarded to actually do it, but I could.
  5024.  
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  5026.                
  5027. Monkeykitten
  5028.        
  5029. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  5030.          Perhaps so, as the other sites I am thinking of who have had to respond to leaks of information had sensitive info as part of their service (government stuff). HOWEVER, on either side of this issue, I'd be speaking to a lawyer.
  5031.  
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  5033.                
  5034. drurowin
  5035.        
  5036. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:22 PM
  5037.          As I've said elsewhere... if you ever receive personal information (like address...) from me it will be in email... and encrypted. It won't stop a determined cracker, but it will hopefully prove enough of a barrier to stop "casual" data leaks. I say "casual" because only 41 accounts were leaked... versus the entire user DB like with Gawker.
  5038.  
  5039. I would never send something like credit card data in an unencrypted note (which they apparently are) on a website that only has HTTPS for the login page. If people are to continue to use the note system for commissions while the commission system itself has XSS problems, then there should at least be an encryption option. The "we (admins) need to be able to see notes to prevent abuse" is invalid when the data contains addresses, credit cards, PayPal...
  5040.  
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  5042.                
  5043. jazzypanda
  5044.        
  5045. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:40 PM
  5046.          I'm thankful for all of your work to keep the site up... If I ever have the chance to use my Paypal I'll donate T_T
  5047.  
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  5049.                
  5050. Harumi
  5051.        
  5052. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:41 PM
  5053.          No one Is perfect, You are making a Good Work ^^
  5054.  
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  5056.                
  5057. DakotaMalamute
  5058.        
  5059. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:42 PM
  5060.          I have to say... I have a few comments to make.
  5061.  
  5062. Overall, I've always stayed with this site. It's been a good resource for various things; however, that does not mean that it is without its flaws.
  5063.  
  5064. First of all, the security protocols in place are absolutely pointless when there are gaping holes in the entire methodology of the site. First of all, notes are stored on the server, instead of being sent via email or something similar with most other forums. This is just asking for trouble. So is giving unrestricted access to notes to admins. I know that I speak for a lot of people when I say that I am not comfortable with several people having unrestricted access to my personal and private communications.
  5065.  
  5066. Second, I have a comment that's related to "fixing" this damage. There is no "fixing" what has happened, at least in terms of the damage. Data was leaked. Saying it's "fixed" is a poor attempt to soothe the worries of those who, in all honesty, SHOULD be worrying. I do not know all the details about the code behind this site, but I can say from seeing its operations compared to other secure websites and compared to practices executed by friends who are professional coders, that this site is severely behind in terms of good security practices. A lot of it involves the lack of a consistent coder base, many admins who few people seem to hold a lot of trust, and giving powers to those admins that invade the privacy of every user.
  5067.  
  5068. I'm not advocating that FA be taken down. I am simply saying that it needs overhauled, big time. And changing the GUI to move buttons and add dropdown menus is NOT an overhaul.
  5069.  
  5070. I would highly suggest looking into existing cores/backends that hold standard and highly-secure practices, such as Drupal, and perhaps building from there.
  5071.  
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  5073.                
  5074. summercat
  5075.        
  5076. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  5077.          Heyas Dakota.
  5078.  
  5079. Well, to answer part one of your first point, security procedures are under review, but right now fixing the holes and preventing further damage is priority. Once that is done, the admin team can move on.
  5080.  
  5081. First point part two, all admins have access to your notes. This was not a secret before this, it is so that admins can investigate abuse and other issues. The administrative staff does not look at notes on whims.
  5082.  
  5083. Second point, 'fixing' the damage refers to restoring galleries and preventing further hijacking of the website, and responding to issues that have come up from this.
  5084.  
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  5086.                
  5087. DakotaMalamute
  5088.        
  5089. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:53 PM
  5090.          Thank you for some of the clarifications, and I do agree with all of your points.
  5091.  
  5092. I guest my biggest concern is the fact that it is being played down, even though this is quite a serious issue. I know it's being blown out of the water as is, but honestly, that's the way it really should be.
  5093.  
  5094. As for notes, I still think FA should look into forwarding notes to email like many forums do. This would take liability off of FA, allow users to handle abuse or blocking users as they see fit, and no one would need to worry about admins peering over their shoulder. I know that the staff "does not look at notes on whims," but as we see time-and-time again, people can abuse the system - and this includes some admins on occasion.
  5095.  
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  5097.                
  5098. summercat
  5099.        
  5100. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:02 PM
  5101.          Well, to be quite honest? Of course this is going to be played down. Everyone/everywhere else is playing it up!
  5102.  
  5103. "HAHAHAHHA FA GOT HACKED!"
  5104.  
  5105. "Well, we had some security issues with an admin account being hijacked."
  5106.  
  5107. *shrug*
  5108.  
  5109. As for the notes (HAH I COPIED YOU THERE), I don't know if FA can handle such a system load. I'm not a site programmer >.> But when the forums come up, feel free to start a thread in Site Suggestions, and PM me there about it. I'll forward the link off to the programmers to see if I can't get them to respond.
  5110.  
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  5112.                
  5113. sperklespice
  5114.        
  5115. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:42 PM
  5116.          Hey everybody heres some info that I learned back in school
  5117.  
  5118.  
  5119. DONT SHARE PERSONAL INFO ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!!
  5120.  
  5121. Now thats not saying that I dont feel bad for the ones that got messed with but it is their fault that they put the info into a PM.
  5122.  
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  5124.                
  5125. Kleemin
  5126.        
  5127. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:44 PM
  5128.          +A thank you.
  5129.  
  5130. Reply to this post
  5131.                
  5132. DreKozar
  5133.        
  5134. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  5135.          There is so much wisdom in the red statement that this is the only response:
  5136. http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icon.....jpg?1289074943
  5137.  
  5138. I swear people on the internet get dumber each generation.
  5139.  
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  5142.                
  5143. SilverBird
  5144.        
  5145. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:05 PM
  5146.          THIS.
  5147.  
  5148. and furthermore:
  5149. USE STRONG PASSWORDS. ALWAYS USE DIFFERENT PASSWORDS.
  5150. (create your own password algorithm for websites and/or make a secret notebook)
  5151.  
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  5153.                
  5154. Sonious
  5155.        
  5156. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:58 PM
  5157.          And more importantly, don't say you have site specific algorithms on websites...
  5158.  
  5159. Reply to this post
  5160.                
  5161. SilverBird
  5162.        
  5163. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:18 PM
  5164.          I don't think anybody is stupid enough to post his way of generating his passwords on the internet,
  5165. if he already achieved that stage of setting passwords.
  5166.  
  5167. As for me, I might have them, I might not have them.
  5168. And besides, I have over 100 identities on the net.
  5169. I can even afford to have one or two identities (or even series of accounts) compromised and it would be no big deal.
  5170.  
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  5172.                
  5173. Sonious
  5174.        
  5175. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:02 PM
  5176.          Don't share info ion the internet!!!
  5177.  
  5178. That's good advise, maybe you should go tell Lulz that, they are the ones that shared it, by the definitions of what shared is.
  5179.  
  5180. Also by that logic you shouldn't have put up a post correct? As it is your personal opinion?
  5181.  
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  5183.                
  5184. Bazeel
  5185.        
  5186. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:43 PM
  5187.          You know, I typically keep out of this sort of thing, but I don't think I can keep quiet on this. This is for all the people complaining and griping about notes being leaked, and so forth. This is to all the conspiracy nuts and those that say they can do a better job.
  5188.  
  5189. Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. Being a free site, I cannot even -fathom- why you would be divulging personal information to people about others (Or, god forbid, yourself) to other people though forum notes. This is a free site, and being a free site, it is not going to have the security that a paid site would have. Do you often give strangers secure information over the internet? If so, I have a few Nigerian Bankers who seem to owe you quite a bit of money, and a few sweepstakes runners just -itching- to give out some prizes. Also, I totally understand why Dragoneer took so long to respond- He has some semblance of a real life, like it or not. This site doesn't pay his bills, nor does it offer him a salary position. Honestly, if you feel so strongly about it, make your own site. I mean, it seems everyone knows how to do the admins' jobs better than themselves, so knock your bad asses right out. It is always easy to be a slacktivist, but if you -do- feel strongly about something, do something about it. Complaining about it and being inflammatory does little for anyone involved.
  5190.  
  5191. tl;dr- You get what you pay for. Don't give out personal information on the internet. Sometimes, bad things happen.
  5192.  
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  5194.                
  5195. Tracker623
  5196.        
  5197. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  5198.          ^THIS^
  5199.  
  5200. As someone who just had all their notes leaked including private information as well? It's my own fault for posting it online to begin with.
  5201.  
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  5203.                
  5204. Asbreedas
  5205.        
  5206. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:48 PM
  5207.          I heartedly agree with this.  
  5208.  
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  5210.                
  5211. spazfox
  5212.        
  5213. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:53 PM
  5214.          But...but...but...I wanted to have a protracted temper tantrum because I wasn't getting my way! It's just not FAIR!
  5215.  
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  5217.                
  5218. DracoFur
  5219.        
  5220. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  5221.          Thank you for the heads-up & the hard work going into providing a FREE SITE for our furry artworks.
  5222.  
  5223. Accidents happen. Even the Pentagon has been hacked. If there's an asshat out there who wants in bad enough, you won't stop them.
  5224.  
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  5228.                
  5229. fatalfox
  5230.        
  5231. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:45 PM
  5232.          I really hope this can get under wraps, as usual all the people on the site goes bananas and bitches like crazy about the admins not doing their job, the site isn't secure, actually putting out very revealing and personal information (about admins nonetheless) that should not be something you just leak, just to prove a point. The point they mean in which the site is not secure, and that we all should delete our notes before people leak them out.
  5233.  
  5234. Personally I don't have any incriminating, very personal, or important information in my notes, I don't know why anyone would except things like contact info, so I kinda don't feel that much pity for the really dark info that has leaked out from these hackers about the admins (sorry, but it's kinda your own fault that such personal info is there(unless it's put there, or spoken by others who knows you).
  5235. The hackers got a part of what they wanted I think, they didn't shut down the site as the dude bragged about in   redfoxnudetoons link (in the previous deleted journal), but they sure created tons of drama, it looked like a soap opera in my journal list x3
  5236.  
  5237. I wish you good luck in cleaning up the site and further securing it tighter for more breakthroughs =)
  5238. I really hope you do get this sorted put, but I have a creeping feeling that this is not in any way the last time this will happen, but I think we all should be prepared for the next time it happens.
  5239.  
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  5241.                
  5242. DreKozar
  5243.        
  5244. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:47 PM
  5245.          Reiterating what other people have been saying; people shouldn't be dipsticks and pass their personal information around on the internet, let alone a social website. If they did and are now having a nervous breakdown, maybe they'll freaking figure it out that they shouldn't do that next time.
  5246.  
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  5248.                
  5249. DreKozar
  5250.        
  5251. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:48 PM
  5252.          On a sidenote, I still have faith in ya, 'Neer.
  5253.  
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  5255.                
  5256. Asbreedas
  5257.        
  5258. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:52 PM
  5259.          ...Shit happens, I guess.
  5260.  
  5261. That being said I hope you and the rest of the admins find a solution to prevent this from happening in the future.
  5262.  
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  5264.                
  5265. troc_9116
  5266.        
  5267. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  5268.          I doubt anyone will trust this site anymore with the lack of security.
  5269.  
  5270. Shit if 4chan new about this then this site would have to be closed
  5271.  
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  5273.                
  5274. Asbreedas
  5275.        
  5276. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:18 PM
  5277.          Well then dont post any personal info on the internet. Sure Dragoneer and FA fucked up on the site's security, but the personal info on the users accounts is not their fault. No, that fault is with the users, not the FA staff. You cant point the blame at them for that.
  5278.  
  5279. Oh and I can say with 100% certainty that 4chan knows about this, considering how some fellow furries on this site are frequent 4chan users.
  5280.  
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  5282.                
  5283. troc_9116
  5284.        
  5285. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:21 PM
  5286.          HHEHEH ^^ guilty as charged, but I don't go on /b all the time I go to /co and /lit a lot.
  5287.  
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  5289.                
  5290. Asbreedas
  5291.        
  5292. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  5293.          I dont go on it, Image boards aren't really my cup of tea.
  5294.  
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  5296.                
  5297. invertedcylinder
  5298.        
  5299. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:52 PM
  5300.          Check your trouble tickets, I live two hours away and in the same state as you. I am not joking either.
  5301.  
  5302. Reply to this post
  5303.                
  5304. Ajna
  5305.        
  5306. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  5307.          Is this really as creepy as you make it sound, or am I assuming too much?
  5308.  
  5309. Reply to this post
  5310.                
  5311. coffinberry
  5312.        
  5313. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:01 PM
  5314.          Right now I am reading every comment in a creepy voice, thank you.
  5315.  
  5316. Reply to this post
  5317.                
  5318. Adversity
  5319.        
  5320. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:54 PM
  5321.          CRY MOAR!!!
  5322.  
  5323. God people are being assholes right now. =\
  5324.  
  5325. WHINE BITCH MOAN!!!
  5326.  
  5327. This ain't Amazon[dot]com people. The site isn't a business, and doesn't generate the income of one, so expecting it to be staffed like one is pretty stupid. Remember, you get what you pay for... and what do you PAY to use FA? Oh right.. NOTHING.
  5328.  
  5329. As for the dog-abuse thing? You'd be just as mad if the admins were scouring PMs to find people breaking laws (any laws) and coming down hard on them with the ban hammer and calling the FBI and whatnot because you'll all cry "WHAT ABOUT OUR PRIVACY!"
  5330.  
  5331. As for the rape thing? FA is not the police. If you were raped, FILE A REPORT WITH THE POLICE. Posting a journal on FA does NOT equate to filing a lawsuit, and will not get you the closure/reparations you deserve. Keep it off-site. After the verdict is in, and the rape has been judiciously handled, THEN alert the masses that there is a convicted rapist in their midst.
  5332.  
  5333. Reply to this post
  5334.                
  5335. Bazeel
  5336.        
  5337. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:56 PM
  5338.          ^- This
  5339.  
  5340. Reply to this post
  5341.                
  5342. troc_9116
  5343.        
  5344. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:57 PM
  5345.          quit your BAAAAWWWWing and hush please what's done is done. Can't go back in time and change it. They missed a spot, and now it grew back big. Plenty to cuss about, but nothing to cough up.
  5346.  
  5347. Reply to this post
  5348.                
  5349. Adversity
  5350.        
  5351. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:02 PM
  5352.          I'm not the one BAWWWing, and I'm certainly not the one sitting back with "popcorn" like someone who posted a few comments up from me and sure looks a lot like... oh wait, it's YOU.
  5353.  
  5354. If one of the two of us needs to adjust how they act, it'd be you.
  5355.  
  5356. Reply to this post
  5357.                
  5358. troc_9116
  5359.        
  5360. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:08 PM
  5361.          Wow someone is very mad huh?
  5362.  
  5363. Why not sit back, and enjoy the show oh wait you don't have any tickets.
  5364.  
  5365. too bad.
  5366.  
  5367. Reply to this post
  5368.                
  5369. Adversity
  5370.        
  5371. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:12 PM
  5372.          Not mad at all, actually. Just stating the facts. Caps =/= angry.
  5373.  
  5374. Having some tea right now. Good stuff. =)
  5375.  
  5376. And BTW, the show was free.
  5377.  
  5378. Reply to this post
  5379.                
  5380. troc_9116
  5381.        
  5382. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:19 PM
  5383.          okay I had to laugh on that one ow wow XD
  5384.  
  5385. Reply to this post
  5386.                
  5387. troc_9116
  5388.        
  5389. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:10 PM
  5390.          besides I am excited to see if they will really blow up the site I don't think they can pull it off.
  5391.  
  5392. do you think they can pull it off?
  5393.  
  5394. Reply to this post
  5395.                
  5396. Adversity
  5397.        
  5398. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:13 PM
  5399.          I don't think they can really take down FA for good, no matter what they try... but it'll be an interesting night, for sure.
  5400.  
  5401. Reply to this post
  5402.                
  5403. troc_9116
  5404.        
  5405. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:24 PM
  5406.          But even you have to blame him for one thing:
  5407.  
  5408.  
  5409. Not pulling the plug off this site its neglectful, and not to bright That was dragoneer's fault actually I think that may be the main reason.
  5410.  
  5411. Reply to this post
  5412.                
  5413. panda66
  5414.        
  5415. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:57 PM
  5416.          This.
  5417. Thank you.
  5418.  
  5419. Reply to this post
  5420.                
  5421. WolfPupTK
  5422.        
  5423. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:25 AM
  5424.          It's a free site, anything I get beyond nothing is good to me. I'm not happy with the security issues this site had, but that's about it.
  5425.  
  5426. And FA mods should NEVER EVER be expected to monitor and enforce the law. They're not the police. I have only the deepest sympathies for anyone who has been raped or experienced anything as traumatic as such, but the burden of making a decision on something like that is not on FA. They don't have the responsibility, position, experience, or right to make such judgments.
  5427.  
  5428. Reply to this post
  5429.                
  5430. WolfPupTK
  5431.        
  5432. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:27 AM
  5433.          **This site HAS, not had.
  5434.  
  5435. Reply to this post
  5436.                
  5437. Adversity
  5438.        
  5439. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 03:26 AM
  5440.          Indeed. Which is why I'm rather resentful of all the people claiming otherwise. =\
  5441.  
  5442. Reply to this post
  5443.                
  5444. dragonien
  5445.        
  5446. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:55 PM
  5447.          Dont bother listening to anyone that has anything to say about the contents of those notes that were stolen. theyre no better than the people that hacked the site. id go as far to say as they deserve a ban for reading them. though thats just me.
  5448.  
  5449. I dont know what was in them. i dont WANT To know. its not my right to read yours or anyone elses personal messages to someone else.
  5450.  
  5451. people dont pay shit for this site, but expect it to be flawless. Its been here longer, and overall is better and more stable than the dozen of FA wannabes that have come and gone in the 6+ years ive been around. If they dont like it, they can just leave. dont go out of your way to overly explain things to these people neer. get what needs to be done, done first. THEN and only then do you have too.. well dont even HAVE TOO, could you if you wish, to explain things to people.
  5452.  
  5453. +1 dragoneer. Noones perfect. but at least he's still trying.
  5454.  
  5455. Reply to this post
  5456.                
  5457. Crovirus
  5458.        
  5459. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:18 PM
  5460.        
  5461. people dont pay shit for this site, but expect it to be flawless.
  5462.  
  5463.  
  5464. No one said they want the site to be flawless, they just want it secure and with competent staff. Issues have been pointed out before and they IGNORED ALL OF THE COMPLAINTS. They aren't paid for their jobs but they should at least, ya know, look up into the issue?
  5465.  
  5466. If they dont like it, they can just leave.
  5467.  
  5468.  
  5469. It doesn't quite work that way sweety. What if one day entire site goes to fucking hell, staff refuses to fix it and says what you just said, and EVERYONE packs their stuff and leaves? What then? What you just said is the most used excuse of someone who can't take criticism or advices.
  5470.  
  5471. tl;dr sure is suck-up in your comment up there.
  5472.  
  5473. Reply to this post
  5474.                
  5475. dragonien
  5476.        
  5477. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:22 PM
  5478.          running this site is more than just "getting people to help"
  5479.  
  5480. what if they got someone who offered to help. and it turned out taht guy was just another furry hater. and he damaged the site further?
  5481.  
  5482. or what if the guy was mentally unstable, and prone to drama. and started randomly banning people cause they didnt say Hi to him.
  5483.  
  5484.  
  5485. They cant just pull people off the street to work for them..
  5486.  
  5487.  
  5488. and realistically. if they all just decided tomorrow "Fuck FA" then the site would shut down. and we would have to accept it. because its fully 100% in their rights to do it.
  5489.  
  5490.  
  5491. i dont WANT that to happen. i love FA. i spend at least half my online time on FA. but im just saying... its their prerogative.
  5492.  
  5493. and if you really think they've ignored ALL Of the complaints. your dramatizing. ive been here for 6+ years. and theyve fixed, changed, and improved a lot of stuff on the site since then. but since, you know. they do this for free, in their spare time. its not exactly like they sit down with a full staff for 8 hours a day 7 days a week to be able to fix stuff.
  5494.  
  5495. Reply to this post
  5496.                
  5497. Crovirus
  5498.        
  5499. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:30 PM
  5500.        
  5501. what if they got someone who offered to help. and it turned out taht guy was just another furry hater. and he damaged the site further?
  5502.  
  5503.  
  5504. That's why there's the good old trial and error method; Not everyone is out there to OMG DESTROY FURAFFINITY!!!!11!one!
  5505.  
  5506. or what if the guy was mentally unstable, and prone to drama. and started randomly banning people cause they didnt say Hi to him.
  5507.  
  5508.  
  5509. Now you're just being stupid and pulling straws.
  5510.  
  5511. They cant just pull people off the street to work for them..
  5512.  
  5513.  
  5514. I never said they should do that. Many competent people already offered help and they were ALL turned down because of some stupid fucking paranoia that they'll fuck shit up.
  5515.  
  5516. and theyve fixed, changed, and improved a lot of stuff on the site since then.
  5517.  
  5518.  
  5519. For example.....? Commissions page is down for how long now? Years?
  5520. The new "Comment hiding feature" worked for some time till it got fucked over (or people overused it too much) and admins were forced to change it so people can hide ONLY THEIR OWN COMMENTS. Who can find that fucking useful?
  5521. They had to close the registration for HALF A YEAR because of some security issue and they kept saying "it will be fixed veeeeeery soon."
  5522. Site has been in security hell since it started off and barely any of those holes were fixed, IF any.
  5523. No one wants them to sit 24/7 on their computers to work on the site, but goddamit, this site is 6 years old and has barely moved off from the ground in terms of functionality and security.
  5524.  
  5525.  
  5526. Reply to this post
  5527.                
  5528. Chasowolf666
  5529.        
  5530. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:23 PM
  5531.          Ok ban half of the FA populace for reading potentially harmful information about the people running this site? We have no right to know if the people who run our site support criminal activities as long as they dont get in trouble ok sure. Lets all stay ignorant everyone now hit yourselves in the head with a hammer and get all that information out! Maybe then we will be fucking crazy and foolish enough to ignore things that could fuck this site up anyway
  5532.  
  5533. Reply to this post
  5534.                
  5535. dragonien
  5536.        
  5537. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  5538.          yes. because dragoneer doing ANYTHING criminal is totally going to effect your furry porn. seriously.
  5539.  
  5540. and it doesnt matter WHAT IS IN THE NOTES. do you know how a search warrant works? if the police go to a crime scene, they need a warrant to look for things there. So if they want to, say, take your computer cause they think that it has the plans for a mass bombing on DC. they need to get a warrant to take it.
  5541.  
  5542. if they take the computer, and they have an illegal warrant, or dont have one. it doesnt matter if the computer shows irrefutable video proof that someone killed a dozen people. the warrant was illegal, and thus the information was obtained illegally, and isnt allowed to be used against the defendant.
  5543.  
  5544. this is the exact same thing.
  5545.  
  5546.  
  5547. it doesnt matter what is in the notes, they were obtained through immoral means, and thus even if they talk about how dragoneer is killing people, it is immoral of you and anyone else that reads them, to be looking at them.
  5548.  
  5549.  
  5550.  
  5551. How does dragoneer doing ANYTHING. wether it be baking cookies for the homeless, or killing people in back alleys effect your use of this site in any way shape or form? if you think hes a bastard on a personal level. ignore him. or leave FA. if you dont care because it has nothing to do with you, like me, then ignore it.
  5552.  
  5553. Reply to this post
  5554.                
  5555. Chasowolf666
  5556.        
  5557. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:38 PM
  5558.          OK I am being immoral for being curious sue me :P lol I can get fur porn from other places to but I dont feel like leaving and I just think dragoneer did have a level of responsibility as admin to do something instead of waving it away as if it was nothing. It is more me concerned for my fellow human beings not this site and I will voice my ideas and opinions on it. I wont leave because this site has its ups and downs and I want the downs to be fixed. The law is a bitch it is since most of it is BS and should be more flexible I do love protection as much as the next guy but if there is evidence of further crimes it should not be ignored.
  5559.  
  5560. Reply to this post
  5561.                
  5562. VGM22
  5563.        
  5564. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:35 PM
  5565.          Actually we should all be thrown in jail, IMO. That way we all won't maybe do a crime in the future. Cause you know if we do a crime. We won't try and cover it up ourselves somehow. Plus remember the saying. "What goes on behind closed doors, stays behind closed doors" Just like if you don't want private things about your life being leaked. Don't share it with anyone, cause someone close to you can hate you and tell everyone and embarrass the hell outta you or make you like a piece of shit.
  5566.  
  5567. Reply to this post
  5568.                
  5569. Chasowolf666
  5570.        
  5571. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:41 PM
  5572.          If a country kills millions of people and we have the proof without a warrant or permission we should just leave it there am i right? :D Sure it is an exaggeration but honestly leaks are a damn good thing weather you want to follow the law that damn closely or not. We all should agree the Law has a lot of holes and problems in it and should be taken under revision just like anything instead of being engraved in stone and not bothered with because a few people feel it isnt their business for the good to be upheld. Sorry dude not ranting at you XD just adding fun sarcasm and truths
  5573.  
  5574. Reply to this post
  5575.                
  5576. VGM22
  5577.        
  5578. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:50 PM
  5579.          Yeah, I know. Basically the world is a fucked up place to live in. Massive amounts of people die or are murdered by our governments. Watch Conspiracy Theory on TruTV and see what's going on. Yes I agree that the laws suck everywhere in the world and let murders, rapists and the scum of the Earth of scott free or just with a slap on the wrist, due to not enough "proof" to put them away. Doesn't mean we can all go and be vigilantes, cause if we could. Everyone on the planet would be dead, cause everyone would kill one another over stupid shit like calling someone a name.
  5580.  
  5581. Reply to this post
  5582.                
  5583. Chasowolf666
  5584.        
  5585. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  5586.          Yup totally agreed there should be balance and right now its leaning to far in the wrong place.
  5587.  
  5588. Reply to this post
  5589.                
  5590. VGM22
  5591.        
  5592. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:00 PM
  5593.          In the world? Yes I agree with that if you mean that. Mostly if you are rich you have the power. That's why the balance is leaning to that side, cause that's where most of the power is. "He who controls the money, controls the power" and there are a lot of rich fuckers out there that are manipulating things behind the scene with that money. As well all know, "Money is the source of all greed."
  5594.  
  5595. Reply to this post
  5596.                
  5597. Chasowolf666
  5598.        
  5599. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:03 PM
  5600.          yup and I love how people still think of those facts as conspiracy XD even when the facts are put right in their face they deny it
  5601.  
  5602. Reply to this post
  5603.                
  5604. VGM22
  5605.        
  5606. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:09 PM
  5607.          I know. They deny it, cause secretly they are rich themselves and don't want people to know. QUICK! Someone hack them and leak their bank accounts and all their personal life shit!
  5608.  
  5609. Reply to this post
  5610.                
  5611. Sonious
  5612.        
  5613. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:09 PM
  5614.          I want your opinion on this. Is it okay to publish the private askings of a rape victim to the open public? Is rape something that should be published for the whole world to see? If the victim couldn't bring herself to go to the cops to talk about this then why is it okay for the whole world to know about it? Aren't you doing that against the victim's concent? Aren't you raping the victim all over again?
  5615.  
  5616. This isn't about justice, or being a hero, this is about taking down someone you've wanted to take down long before, and using his probably poor advise to incriminate him, but here's the thing, who is the one who brought this rape into the light against the victim's will?
  5617.  
  5618. That would be Lulz.
  5619.  
  5620. Reply to this post
  5621.                
  5622. Chasowolf666
  5623.        
  5624. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:16 PM
  5625.          I actually havent cared about dragoneer till this point :P thanks for pointing out I had a problem with someone I never did : D that and I was not the one who published the rape notes I have come to light about them and found out about them and I am giving my opinion about it and think something should be done. Its one thing to just shrug and let him get away with it its another to prevent it from happening ever again and letting people know he will take advantage of you if your in the same position as the previous victum.
  5626.  
  5627. Reply to this post
  5628.                
  5629. Sonious
  5630.        
  5631. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:31 PM
  5632.          The people who perpetrated this act obviously did, I mean they're posting other people's notes too, not just Dragoneers, You're giving lulz an hero status for bringing something to light they never intended to in the first place. They were shooting in the dark looking for 'monsters' kind of like the government and it's Patriot Act. They'll announce to the highest tower the ones they happen to hit, to distract you from the fact that there were they also effected innocent bystanders with their reckless actions.
  5633.  
  5634. Or are you pro-Patriot Act?
  5635.  
  5636. Reply to this post
  5637.                
  5638. Chasowolf666
  5639.        
  5640. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:34 PM
  5641.          far from it :P also It isnt a hero status its a good thing it did come up for the fact I stated and she did want it out btw until dragoneer said itd cause problems she made a very good point hiding rape from others or even admitting it is bad either way but in this case it will help others avoid the same fate. It wasnt exactly shared 100 percent the right way but its out there now and should be addressed.
  5642.  
  5643. Reply to this post
  5644.                
  5645. Sonious
  5646.        
  5647. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:51 PM
  5648.          If she wanted it out, she would have went to the cops, or posted it on her own journal (if she wanted it posted on the internet), she was asking for advise on if she should come out. Dragoneer obviously weighted toward the no.
  5649.  
  5650. But for someone used to trying to lead a bunch of political pack mentality fuckwads such as ourselves he was probably thinking if he were in that possition, which he'd want to do the thing best for PR, not what is right. So he gave her the wrong advice from the wrong perspective, he wasn't thinking as a rape victim, he was thinking as he does as the lead admin of FA.
  5651.  
  5652. Obviously you and I would have given different advise, but it's up to the victim to come forward, it can be intimidating and rapists certainly take advantage of that fact, and if sex weren't such a taboo thing in this country it'd probably be easier to do. Or if shit like this didn't happen, because Dragoneer said this would cause drama, look around you, was he wrong?
  5653.  
  5654. And maybe Dragoneer was intimidated by the rapist as well, isn't that also a possibility, he's got alot of clout here on this site, if he stepped forward with the victim would he also be attacked by the horde of his fans?
  5655.  
  5656. Personally I would have told her, if I were in that position that I could not give that advise because of being in such a position, or if I did give advise I would have balanced the sides. The worst that would happen if you go for it, the best that would happen. The best that would happen if she didn't go for it, the worst that would happen if she didn't.
  5657.  
  5658. He's not perfect, and he's definitely confused on this topic since it happened so long ago, he probably had forgotten the details.
  5659.  
  5660. We should all save our fury for the rapist, for he is the one that committed this vile act which is far worse then any shitty advise given by anyone
  5661.  
  5662. Reply to this post
  5663.                
  5664. Chasowolf666
  5665.        
  5666. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:03 AM
  5667.          I do agree I guess I was to hard on Dragoneer I was just upset at the PR stunt. For now im pulling out of the argument My opinion stands on the rapist of course if it is at all true. Better to seem like a coward who wants to look at all the facts presented more then stubbornly pushing through like a fool. I had my information but more is coming out against it idk what to think. If its true or not Dragoneers PR bs and opinion on rape in his previous comment is still utterly wrong. Sorry for my stubbornness I should of kept calm earlier I was wrong I think idk anymore...I was wrong to be focusing on Neer though yes.
  5668.  
  5669. Reply to this post
  5670.                
  5671. VGM22
  5672.        
  5673. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  5674.          ^THIS^
  5675.  
  5676. Reply to this post
  5677.                
  5678. Chasowolf666
  5679.        
  5680. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:44 PM
  5681.          ^That and a bag of chips :3
  5682.  
  5683. Reply to this post
  5684.                
  5685. VGM22
  5686.        
  5687. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  5688.          OOOH! CHIPS! OMNOMNOMNOM! XD
  5689.  
  5690. Reply to this post
  5691.                
  5692. panda66
  5693.        
  5694. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:56 PM
  5695.          Do not close the site.
  5696. I see no need.
  5697. It's rediculous to think there is.
  5698.  
  5699. Hacking happens.
  5700. All the time.
  5701. We can do nothing about it.
  5702.  
  5703. Reply to this post
  5704.                
  5705. verix
  5706.        
  5707. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:01 PM
  5708.          except, you know, fixing the site and preventing the same flaws that have existed for years to prevent bad things from happening.
  5709.  
  5710. but I'm not going to let granular details get in the way of your art. I mean, as long as it works, right? it's just the internet.
  5711.  
  5712. Reply to this post
  5713.                
  5714. panda66
  5715.        
  5716. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:07 PM
  5717.          The flaws have existed for a long time.
  5718. That is true.
  5719. There have been no complaints in the past when they led to folks being hacked.
  5720.  
  5721. Why should there be now?
  5722.  
  5723. I can see you are trying to be hostile, but I see no reason for it.
  5724.  
  5725. I state simply that those who find it unbearable, should find a new place, rather than kick up such a fuss.
  5726.  
  5727. I guarentee that they will never find a place that is not unhackable.
  5728.  
  5729. Hacking is a simple fact of the internet.
  5730. It is what is.
  5731.  
  5732. We who have realized and come to terms with this, will remain.
  5733.  
  5734. Reply to this post
  5735.                
  5736. Uroboros
  5737.        
  5738. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:29 PM
  5739.          There is a difference between "No defense is impenetrable" and "Lets ignore that ever-widening hole that has been there for years", though.
  5740. And again, private information. Not even harmful information, its a simple matter of base privacy.
  5741.  
  5742. Reply to this post
  5743.                
  5744. panda66
  5745.        
  5746. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:04 PM
  5747.          I can see, and understand, people worried about private information. That is a valid point. That said however, the internet is once again: Not the place for it.
  5748.  
  5749. Reply to this post
  5750.                
  5751. Uroboros
  5752.        
  5753. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:19 PM
  5754.          Again, human error and oversight isn't the same as outright and continued negligence. To follow the "not the place for it" rule in the manner you summon it, would halt all personal communication outside of face to face conversation, because arguably any medium can be intercepted or tampered with if security measures are lax. Expecting to have a private conversation or exchange on the internet is not exactly a stretch of imagination nor inappropriate at all.
  5755.  
  5756. Saying the internet not being a place for any privacy in a discussion of bad decisions, is like saying those who get into car crashes should expect it because they were using a road, during a discussion of traffic management. It only serves as a poor deflection.
  5757.  
  5758. Reply to this post
  5759.                
  5760. panda66
  5761.        
  5762. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:48 PM
  5763.        
  5764. Saying the internet not being a place for any privacy in a discussion of bad decisions, is like saying those who get into car crashes should expect it because they were using a road, during a discussion of traffic management. It only serves as a poor deflection.
  5765.  
  5766.  
  5767. Analogy accepted.
  5768. I still remain jaded and cynical however.
  5769.  
  5770. Reply to this post
  5771.                
  5772. Renard_V
  5773.        
  5774. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:34 PM
  5775.          this site is just jenga, dude. code comes out, leaves a hole, new code goes on top. eventually the drunken frat dude shows up and joins in.
  5776.  
  5777. Reply to this post
  5778.                
  5779. GearOtter
  5780.        
  5781. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:31 PM
  5782.          What a great metaphor. <3
  5783.  
  5784. Reply to this post
  5785.                
  5786. Clayton
  5787.        
  5788. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:37 AM
  5789.          like sitting in a boat with holes.
  5790. Sitting in the boat and scooping out water will not fucking help. the boat needs to be taken out of the water and patched up before people are allowed to go for a ride.
  5791.  
  5792. Reply to this post
  5793.                
  5794. gatorguts
  5795.        
  5796. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:56 PM
  5797.          I don't give a fuck about the drama at this point. I don't care who did what, who is bad, whatever.
  5798.  
  5799. Just hope this never happens again.
  5800. This is why you really shouldn't give out personal stuff over a note system, I guess.
  5801. Reply to this post
  5802.                
  5803. 3DiNoZ
  5804.        
  5805. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:58 PM
  5806.         http://lulz.net/furi/ >.>
  5807.  
  5808. Reply to this post
  5809.                
  5810. Rahiros
  5811.        
  5812. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 07:59 PM
  5813.          I still am confused to this moment what sick person would attempt such a thing.
  5814.  
  5815. People are idiots i guess  
  5816.  
  5817. Reply to this post
  5818.                
  5819. Sherman128
  5820.        
  5821. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:01 PM
  5822.          Because sometimes the only was to expose evil is to sneak up on it
  5823.  
  5824. Reply to this post
  5825.                
  5826. chaoman16
  5827.        
  5828. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:18 AM
  5829.          Not to perpetuate a meme but...^THIS.
  5830.  
  5831. Reply to this post
  5832.                
  5833. Sonious
  5834.        
  5835. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:41 AM
  5836.          Sneak up? Lol. More like shooting up an entire room with 41 people in it to nail 1 person. This wasn't an act to find evil as you're painting it, it was an act of trying to do something, it just happened they found something that made them appear to be a hero.
  5837.  
  5838. I think that's kind of the thoughts on why the Patriot Act passed congress. We should post everyone's private messages, lest one terrorist get by. We won't do anything neffarious with the data, we promise.
  5839.  
  5840. How do we know they aren't hacking the notes of those they're holding on to, all you have to do is tweek the HTML and bingo! Look at this message sent implicating he's protecting a murderer.
  5841.  
  5842. Obviously the stuff they posted already is real, they had no time to process the html, but for the remaineder, becareful.
  5843.  
  5844. Reply to this post
  5845.                
  5846. FelixAndrews
  5847.        
  5848. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:00 PM
  5849.          I feel left out. I guess I'm not one of the cool kids... *sniff*
  5850.  
  5851. Reply to this post
  5852.                
  5853. Meep-Jay
  5854.        
  5855. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:28 PM
  5856.          I think you cool
  5857.  
  5858. Reply to this post
  5859.                
  5860. beachfox
  5861.        
  5862. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:02 PM
  5863.          This is just the latest in an increasingly worrisome chain of security leaks, hacks, and general failures when it comes to site security on FA.
  5864.  
  5865. Your Mission Accomplished/George Bushing throughout it all is not doing anything for my continued trust in the site or its administrators.
  5866.  
  5867. Reply to this post
  5868.                
  5869. summercat
  5870.        
  5871. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:03 PM
  5872.          Is this a bad time to request more of your Silver-Surfer like Otter character?
  5873.  
  5874. Reply to this post
  5875.                
  5876. beachfox
  5877.        
  5878. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:07 PM
  5879.          Well, an odd time, certainly.
  5880.  
  5881. Not to fear, though. Bangs and the rest of Nova Force will return once I get tired of Fallout smut. :)
  5882.  
  5883. Reply to this post
  5884.                
  5885. summercat
  5886.        
  5887. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:15 PM
  5888.          I do admit that Fallout smut is awesome.
  5889.  
  5890. But... I has a question...
  5891.  
  5892. Any chance I could convince you to draw some hypnosis-induced transformations and muscle growth? >.>
  5893.  
  5894. Reply to this post
  5895.                
  5896. beachfox
  5897.        
  5898. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:20 PM
  5899.          Always open for commissions. Check one journal back for prices, and drop a line in email. :)
  5900.  
  5901. Reply to this post
  5902.                
  5903. summercat
  5904.        
  5905. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:33 PM
  5906.          But I want it for freeeeeeee~<3
  5907.  
  5908. Reply to this post
  5909.                
  5910. Chasowolf666
  5911.        
  5912. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:06 PM
  5913.          I wonder if this Journal will be closed down XD luckily print screen exists :B
  5914.  
  5915. Reply to this post
  5916.                
  5917. SilverBird
  5918.        
  5919. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:08 PM
  5920.          printscreen won't help you much. use ScreenGrab.
  5921. (or just save the page and take the screenshot later if you have to,
  5922. since html is smaller than the page saved as an image)
  5923. Reply to this post
  5924.                
  5925. Chasowolf666
  5926.        
  5927. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:24 PM
  5928.          ah thanks :3
  5929. Reply to this post
  5930.                
  5931. Chasowolf666
  5932.        
  5933. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:47 PM
  5934.          hmm weird it doesnt work for me D: I guess my computer cant handle the size of the page XD ah oh well thanks anyway dude
  5935. Reply to this post
  5936.                
  5937. SilverBird
  5938.        
  5939. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:09 PM
  5940.          oddly I'm having some problems with the "save complete page too", and I have a good computer.
  5941. yeah, the page might be just too long
  5942.  
  5943. but saving the file to html works / opens perfectly
  5944. and screengrab's "visible portion" option also works
  5945. you need to play around with the stuff, there ALWAYS is a way of getting it done how you want.
  5946. Reply to this post
  5947.                
  5948. Chasowolf666
  5949.        
  5950. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:11 PM
  5951.          indeed XD and yeah I looked it up it has a file size limitation so chunks will probably be necessary X3
  5952. Reply to this post
  5953.                
  5954. rabbitfangs
  5955.        
  5956. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:07 PM
  5957.          Thanks for getting on and reassuring us. I was getting tired of all the people going 'where's Dragoneer', he must be hiding"! I'm glad you got it back under your thumb. Welcome back!!
  5958. Reply to this post
  5959.                
  5960. subversive-imaginati
  5961.        
  5962. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:08 PM
  5963.        
  5964. I really think you need to stop patching the site and just start a complete rebuild from scratch, build a strong stable basic system then start looking at bells and whistles.
  5965. I'd also suggest restricting the ability to view notes to perhaps one or two people, there's little need for every single admin to access them. On storm-artists.net only a couple of admins can access stuff like that for just this reason.
  5966. I'd also suggest taking another look at staffing issues, you've got some strong staff and others well? They don't really seem to do much except look pretty.
  5967. I think at this point 'Neer, you've really got to go back to baserock and rebuild everything from the ground up. This site could be profitable enough to pay for coders, there's no doubt that you have the userbase required for it.
  5968. Reply to this post
  5969.                
  5970. SilverBird
  5971.        
  5972. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:10 PM
  5973.          It took them SIX DAMN YEARS to get the site to the current level of functionality (your mileage may vary on this one)
  5974. and now let's tear everything down and start again? uhuh ... yeah right...
  5975. Reply to this post
  5976.                
  5977. DakotaMalamute
  5978.        
  5979. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:15 PM
  5980.          He's not suggesting a rebuild of the site. He's suggesting rethinking the way it's run. I agree. There doesn't need to be a bloated staff of admins with unrestricted powers.
  5981. Reply to this post
  5982.                
  5983. SilverBird
  5984.        
  5985. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:21 PM
  5986.          oh please, neither one of us referred SPECIFICALLY to one or the other
  5987. Reply to this post
  5988.                
  5989. SilverBird
  5990.        
  5991. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:25 PM
  5992.          >>bloated staff of admins with unrestricted powers
  5993.  
  5994. it's not about the powers that you have,
  5995. it's about how much responsibility you put into exercising these powers
  5996.  
  5997. we all know a certain admin who is very good at not being responsible.
  5998.  
  5999. Reply to this post
  6000.                
  6001. subversive-imaginati
  6002.        
  6003. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:25 PM
  6004.        
  6005. It's actually quicker to clean code than it is to patch, text, repatch, test, fix it cos it broke, patch, retest, get fed up and release it with bugs.
  6006.  
  6007. Bad architecture is bad architecture at the end of the day, if it's permanently bugged then it would quicker to recode entirely.
  6008.  
  6009. Reply to this post
  6010.                
  6011. SilverBird
  6012.        
  6013. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:31 PM
  6014.          Writing a new structure from scratch takes too much fucking time and effort.
  6015.  
  6016. One is better off just cleaning, organizing, fixing and reusing existing code.
  6017.  
  6018. What makes you think that new code will be perfect and bug free?
  6019. If you ever did programming / web coding you should know from your own experience that such is pure bullshit.
  6020.  
  6021. Reply to this post
  6022.                
  6023. subversive-imaginati
  6024.        
  6025. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:40 PM
  6026.        
  6027. Doing things right always does take more time and effort. There's a point where code is simply too fucked up to be recycled and should just be redone.
  6028.  
  6029. Well it's gotta be better than the current code given all the known bugs.
  6030.  
  6031. Reply to this post
  6032.                
  6033. ShadowWalker
  6034.        
  6035. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:45 PM
  6036.          As a web designer I can speak from experience:
  6037.  
  6038. It doesn't ALWAYS take more time to redo code from scratch. I've had it take more time finding and fixing a very small and simple mistake than it would have to just start over and try another way to do the same function.
  6039.  
  6040. Reply to this post
  6041.                
  6042. subversive-imaginati
  6043.        
  6044. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:04 PM
  6045.        
  6046. Also clearing the mess and starting from step one can enable major changes and let you choose to do things that wouldn't work with the old architecture. It's been a long time since I programmed but I think it's like making anything, if it goes wrong enough sometimes there's nothing better to do than to just scrap it and restart because trying to fix something can just end up making it worse.
  6047.  
  6048. Reply to this post
  6049.                
  6050. SilverBird
  6051.        
  6052. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:12 PM
  6053.          just stfu already -_-;
  6054.  
  6055. Reply to this post
  6056.                
  6057. SilverBird
  6058.        
  6059. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:16 PM
  6060.          and i never said you can't take out an entire chunk of code out (sometimes a rather large one)
  6061. in order to implement a better function
  6062.  
  6063. but the way you put it:
  6064. "durr hurr delete everything and start from scratch"
  6065. that's how it sounds to me. you are too radical.
  6066.  
  6067. am I mistaken?
  6068.  
  6069. Reply to this post
  6070.                
  6071. subversive-imaginati
  6072.        
  6073. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:18 PM
  6074.        
  6075. When you've got as many issues as FA has, sometimes radical is the best thing to do.
  6076.  
  6077. Reply to this post
  6078.                
  6079. SilverBird
  6080.        
  6081. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:21 PM
  6082.          and besides, this site is not something you could easily rewrite in an afternoon or something.
  6083. there might be like ten thousand lines of code in it. if not ten times more.
  6084.  
  6085. dragoneer will not scrap the existing site
  6086.  
  6087. and the new Ferrox might take years and years at the current rate.
  6088. they just don't care about it. period.
  6089.  
  6090.  
  6091. and Iam tired of this stupid argument
  6092.  
  6093.  
  6094. Reply to this post
  6095.                
  6096. subversive-imaginati
  6097.        
  6098. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:23 PM
  6099.        
  6100. Nobody even suggested it could be done in an afternoon or something but rewriting has got to be easier than checking all those lines of code, rewriting bits, hoping things don't break, fixing anything that breaks, rechecking the lot, excertra...
  6101.  
  6102. Reply to this post
  6103.                
  6104. SilverBird
  6105.        
  6106. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:25 PM
  6107.          radical my ass
  6108.  
  6109. new code = new bugs + new vulnerabilities
  6110.  
  6111. and let's face it:
  6112.  
  6113. - IT TOOK THEM THREE FUCKING YEARS TO FIX THE SEARCH FUNCTION
  6114. - THE COMMISSIONS PAGE IS STILL BROKEN
  6115. - THE REGISTRATION SYSTEM ALSO NEEDS WORK
  6116.  
  6117. you see any pattern of general incompetence here?
  6118.  
  6119. Reply to this post
  6120.                
  6121. SilverBird
  6122.        
  6123. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:30 PM
  6124.         they don't have enough coders /motivation to even REPAIR the site properly.
  6125.  
  6126. rewriting it from scratch is OUT OF QUESTION
  6127.  
  6128. OUT. OF. QUESTION.
  6129.  
  6130. Reply to this post
  6131.                
  6132. subversive-imaginati
  6133.        
  6134. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:31 PM
  6135.        
  6136. I've known worse issues with sites to be honest, if 'Neer was to dedicate more effort to the whole thing, it's not unsalvagable.
  6137.  
  6138. Reply to this post
  6139.                
  6140. subversive-imaginati
  6141.        
  6142. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:32 PM
  6143.        
  6144. For someone who is 'tired' of the argument, you're sure trying to keep it going an argument you started.
  6145.  
  6146. Reply to this post
  6147.                
  6148. ArcticFuzzball
  6149.        
  6150. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:08 PM
  6151.          Yes. I agree with this, stop patching and completely rebuild like you said. Even if coders can't be paid, I swear there used to be a "Ferrox" project going for a new version, which was open source. Get that going again, and bring in anyone who'll help (I'll contribute some code even!), it is truly ridiculous that there's only like, 1 coder for this entire place.
  6152.  
  6153. Reply to this post
  6154.                
  6155. subversive-imaginati
  6156.        
  6157. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:19 PM
  6158.        
  6159. I believe the ferrox project died because the lead developer left.
  6160.  
  6161. Reply to this post
  6162.                
  6163. ArcticFuzzball
  6164.        
  6165. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:37 PM
  6166.          Oh, really? I had no idea, huh. Well that'd explain it. Maybe there could be a revival with whoever's in charge now then, or something.
  6167.  
  6168. Reply to this post
  6169.                
  6170. subversive-imaginati
  6171.        
  6172. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:52 PM
  6173.        
  6174. Perhaps, I'm not sure if the current person has the time to rework ferrox and to try and fix the site enough until Ferrox is released. Perhaps it might benefit from open sourcing.
  6175.  
  6176. Reply to this post
  6177.                
  6178. Firehazard
  6179.        
  6180. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:29 AM
  6181.          The code is still publicly available... somewhere. I'm pretty sure. From what I heard it was perfectly functional but not quite complete. They could easily enough get someone to go back and finish it, and it would probably not take very long at all if they knew what they're doing.
  6182.  
  6183. Reply to this post
  6184.                
  6185. subversive-imaginati
  6186.        
  6187. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:33 AM
  6188.        
  6189. Eevee hasn't mentioned how far he got on the item so that's news to me.
  6190.  
  6191. Reply to this post
  6192.                
  6193. Firehazard
  6194.        
  6195. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:06 AM
  6196.          I asked him about it on LJ just now; I'll let you know what he says.
  6197.  
  6198. Reply to this post
  6199.                
  6200. subversive-imaginati
  6201.        
  6202. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:09 AM
  6203.        
  6204. Okay, thanks :)
  6205.  
  6206. Reply to this post
  6207.                
  6208. Firehazard
  6209.        
  6210. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:12 PM
  6211.          Here's the link he sent: http://clanspum.net/~pi/ferrox.git/ - the reason it doesn't look like code is that it's a collaboration file that has to be opened in some Git-based app in order to get the actual code. Or something like that. It's a Linux thing.
  6212.  
  6213. Reply to this post
  6214.                
  6215. katheralockharte
  6216.        
  6217. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:08 PM
  6218.          well, I deleted my gallery out of fear, but if you can restore it, then by all means do so, I don't really want to have to reupload everything I backed up :P
  6219.  
  6220. Reply to this post
  6221.                
  6222. Meep-Jay
  6223.        
  6224. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  6225.          XD
  6226.  
  6227. Reply to this post
  6228.                
  6229. xCHEWYx
  6230.        
  6231. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:10 PM
  6232.          wow really neer?
  6233.  
  6234. Reply to this post
  6235.                
  6236. Veedway
  6237.        
  6238. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:15 PM
  6239.          I don't think I have much to say here, and I don't even think that Neer will read this comment. But... If it were up to me, the first thing I'd do would be pulling the plug. Just in case. We could survive the several month downtime a few summers ago, we will survive now. Secondly - constant complains about not enough cash here. Dunno about this. I thought this site gets enough donatioms monthly, but if it's not enough... Well... Even some "homegrown" help would be good. Any coder that could help with some security. And most of all... More staff. This site is seriously way too big member wise to have so little admins and one coder. I know it is hard now, but... If you have ANYONE you can trust, then don't hesitate to ask for help. Because in situations like that every bit of help counts... And I believe the fandom would be grateful for that. Hope this was at least a bit of help.
  6240.  
  6241. Reply to this post
  6242.                
  6243. summercat
  6244.        
  6245. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:34 PM
  6246.          Your comment has been read by SOMEONE.
  6247.  
  6248. And yes, your suggestion was suggested earlier *chuckle*
  6249.  
  6250. Reply to this post
  6251.                
  6252. Veedway
  6253.        
  6254. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:40 PM
  6255.          Really? Well, maybe. I have a bad habit of not reading other comments before leaving a comment myself, my bad. At least I said what I wanted to.
  6256.  
  6257. Reply to this post
  6258.                
  6259. summercat
  6260.        
  6261. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:42 PM
  6262.          Your suggestion has been one of the common ones. *nod*
  6263.  
  6264.  
  6265.  
  6266. Reply to this post
  6267.                
  6268. LikoFox
  6269.        
  6270. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:16 PM
  6271.          Question is, where were the notes leaked to? And of what importance are they to the scoundrels?
  6272.  
  6273. Reply to this post
  6274.                
  6275. coffinrot
  6276.        
  6277. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:33 PM
  6278.          lulz.net. Oh...you'd be surprised.
  6279.  
  6280. Reply to this post
  6281.                
  6282. coffinberry
  6283.        
  6284. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:41 PM
  6285.          coffinrotberry
  6286.  
  6287.  
  6288.  
  6289. Reply to this post
  6290.                
  6291. coffinrot
  6292.        
  6293. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:47 PM
  6294.          rottedcoffinberries.
  6295. I so forgot to watch you. How dumb of me.
  6296.  
  6297.  
  6298.  
  6299.  
  6300.  
  6301. Reply to this post
  6302.                
  6303. LikoFox
  6304.        
  6305. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:06 PM
  6306.          Yeah, I checked there a few minutes after I posted. I don't quite get what they want. "Congrats, you know some personal information about the more popular artists such as Zaush and know what issues Dragoneer gets noted about on a daily basis, want some sort of medal?"
  6307.  
  6308. Reply to this post
  6309.                
  6310. coffinrot
  6311.        
  6312. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:14 PM
  6313.          It began as people laughing that as an admin they can see notes. Which I personally thought was a "well duh, no shit" sort of thing. Then all of a sudden ppl claimed they found some dirty little secrets. From the Zaush thing to the zoophilia warning thing with another user.
  6314.  
  6315. Basically it's quality entertainment for a lot of people. And some people do it for vendettas...all depends on the party involved.
  6316.  
  6317.  
  6318.  
  6319. Reply to this post
  6320.                
  6321. LikoFox
  6322.        
  6323. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:57 PM
  6324.          I guess the mind of a troll is something I'll never understand. I know how they will go about doing everything, but why is a different matter.
  6325.  
  6326. Reply to this post
  6327.                
  6328. Sherman128
  6329.        
  6330. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:14 PM
  6331.          Because he was informed that   zaush was a rapist and he did nothing?
  6332.  
  6333. Reply to this post
  6334.                
  6335. Gothhana
  6336.        
  6337. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 05:06 AM
  6338.          just for my two cents, i don't feel she was "raped" i think she was talked into it, but she did consent because she drove herself to his house, and she didn't leave. yeah i get he's a big scary dude to her, but she could have stayed home, blocked his number, refused to chat to him, and moved on.
  6339.  
  6340. As a girl who's been raped, she had a choice, i didn't. That's not rape, Doesn't change that zaush is an asshole, but in the end, she chose not to block his ass and stay away from him. he's a creep, and she made a bad choice. if she was that worried about him, she could have gotten a restraining order.
  6341.  
  6342. Reply to this post
  6343.                
  6344. Sherman128
  6345.        
  6346. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 05:21 AM
  6347.          True
  6348.  
  6349. Reply to this post
  6350.                
  6351. Doggieo
  6352.        
  6353. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:20 PM
  6354.          ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWA!
  6355.  
  6356. Reply to this post
  6357.                
  6358. Ishiga-san
  6359.        
  6360. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:38 PM
  6361.          Nice Guran Lagaan reference. |3 *Highfives*
  6362.  
  6363. Reply to this post
  6364.                
  6365. Masakuni
  6366.        
  6367. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:23 PM
  6368.          Shit happens. Hacks happen. Maybe the admins could've patched things up more, but it's all shoulda coulda woulda at this point.
  6369.  
  6370. Just get it all patched up and do the best to make sure this shit doesn't happen again.
  6371.  
  6372. Reply to this post
  6373.                
  6374. Tuqiri13
  6375.        
  6376. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:25 PM
  6377.          In the notes you stated that you never once said that Sofurry stole users but you said they did steal users
  6378.  
  6379. Reply to this post
  6380.                
  6381. danza
  6382.        
  6383. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:25 PM
  6384.          Toasting in an epic bread.
  6385.  
  6386. Reply to this post
  6387.                
  6388. mukichan
  6389.        
  6390. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:28 PM
  6391.          people are blowing shit out of proportions on a free site... information was leaked... Okay, w/e... Your own damn fault for posting it online in the first place since NOTHING is 100% secure. Even governmental sites can't be 100% secure anyways even though they claim to be.
  6392.  
  6393. Nothing is safe. This is the real world. Deal with it and just give these people a goddamn break. They're not like Houdini and can make things all better all in a matter of hours or a day, even... They're human beings behind those monitors and keyboards. They have lives too and can only do so much in a day to help make things right.
  6394.  
  6395. To everyone who's identity was leaked and such, I extend many sympathies.
  6396. To everyone who's being a hater, keep on hating cause you're just making it all the more lulzy.
  6397. To everyone who's attempting to work their ass off and do shit about this, keep it up.
  6398.  
  6399. As for me, I'll just sit back and continue on with what I was doing and pretend that this whole ordeal will be blown over in a few weeks.
  6400.  
  6401. Reply to this post
  6402.                
  6403. deishido
  6404.        
  6405. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:54 PM
  6406.          You should get a medal for that. Good job. I'd bow in appreciation, though your comment and all others like this will likely be ignored :/
  6407.  
  6408. But, A correct statement none-the-less
  6409.  
  6410. Reply to this post
  6411.                
  6412. summercat
  6413.        
  6414. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:59 PM
  6415.          Not ignored, just... I don't need to respond, I agree XD
  6416.  
  6417. Reply to this post
  6418.                
  6419. MadzAd
  6420.        
  6421. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:05 PM
  6422.          well said
  6423.  
  6424. Reply to this post
  6425.                
  6426. shikaro
  6427.        
  6428. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:29 PM
  6429.          @offenders you suck, srsly. work is being don as best as it is able to do so. yes, its a strong shit that fa staff didnt accept help before, but the past is past, now lets focus in the present.
  6430.  
  6431. based on the fast movement of the admins against this issue, i do have to say that they're doing an excellent work =) hope it all ends soon.
  6432.  
  6433. @zaush incident i dont care, im refering to the administration and fixing of FA not some personal issues.
  6434.  
  6435. Reply to this post
  6436.                
  6437. Anthan
  6438.        
  6439. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:31 PM
  6440.          I was surprised it took this long for FA to get sabotaged somehow.
  6441.  
  6442. I'm glad people have stoped running around like a headless chicken.
  6443. I hope everything gets sorted soon.
  6444.  
  6445. Reply to this post
  6446.                
  6447. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6448.        
  6449. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:34 PM
  6450.          IMO The Hacker got just what he set out to do. Smeer the face of FA and let it crumble in on its self. I am one of the idiots who will be here when the whole place caves in. What can I say I like the front row seats to the end of the world. (or in this case site) Amazing what you can't do with a bit of information isn't it Furaffinity users. How easy it is to accuse someone of things when the shit hits the fan. Like we haven't made mistakes. But I expected this eventually. So in short, it's been fun FA and staff. I will continue to look on as the place crumbles in.
  6451.  
  6452. Thanks for two (well almost) happy art filled years
  6453. RR
  6454.  
  6455. Reply to this post
  6456.                
  6457. summercat
  6458.        
  6459. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:36 PM
  6460.          If FA goes down, it won't be because of this. n.n!
  6461.  
  6462. Reply to this post
  6463.                
  6464. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6465.        
  6466. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:38 PM
  6467.          oh that attack that's supposed to happen at 11 pm EPT?
  6468.  
  6469. Reply to this post
  6470.                
  6471. summercat
  6472.        
  6473. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:43 PM
  6474.          Pfff. That empty threat by someone trying to get IK into trouble?
  6475.  
  6476. It's not real, I think. The admin team is standing by in case, but I seriously doubt anything would occur.
  6477.  
  6478. Reply to this post
  6479.                
  6480. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6481.        
  6482. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:58 PM
  6483.          I know it was posted on lulz.net really. it's just funny to watch all of this. but like I said I backed everything up and took care of my stuff now I'm sitting in on this whole fiasco.
  6484.  
  6485. Reply to this post
  6486.                
  6487. summercat
  6488.        
  6489. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:02 PM
  6490.          Yeah, good idea, I'm going to go back up my gallery right no-
  6491.  
  6492. ...wait a tick D:
  6493.  
  6494. Reply to this post
  6495.                
  6496. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6497.        
  6498. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:06 PM
  6499.          Ahhhhh shit sorry mate X3 just looked over your page..... That sucks..... hardcore
  6500.  
  6501. Reply to this post
  6502.                
  6503. summercat
  6504.        
  6505. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:12 PM
  6506.          Yeah, luckily I save EVERYTHING to my HDD, and Yak can restore the submissions and comments (if not the files themselves)
  6507.  
  6508. Reply to this post
  6509.                
  6510. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6511.        
  6512. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:17 PM
  6513.          Here's hoping  
  6514.  
  6515. Reply to this post
  6516.                
  6517. rodox_video
  6518.        
  6519. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:42 PM
  6520.          You need to step down.
  6521.  
  6522. Reply to this post
  6523.                
  6524. coffinberry
  6525.        
  6526. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:50 PM
  6527.          Agreeeeeeeeeeed~!
  6528.  
  6529. Reply to this post
  6530.                
  6531. AnimeWolfChick
  6532.        
  6533. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:43 PM
  6534.          Hey Guys, Stop Taking Shots At Dragoneer, He's Doing His Best To Fix Things. We Are All Mad At The People Who Did This But Arguing Between Each Other And Questioning One Of The Only People Who Have Any Clue What To Do Next Isnt Going To Help, It Just Makes The Trolls/Hackers Happier With Their Little Stunt.
  6535.  
  6536. Reply to this post
  6537.                
  6538. Tilt
  6539.        
  6540. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:45 PM
  6541.          Enjoying the sand your head is buried in?
  6542.  
  6543. Reply to this post
  6544.                
  6545. AnimeWolfChick
  6546.        
  6547. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:46 PM
  6548.          yush ^^ infact i think ill build a sandcastle :D
  6549.  
  6550. Reply to this post
  6551.                
  6552. Kitstaa
  6553.        
  6554. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:46 PM
  6555.          YEAH GUYS
  6556.  
  6557.  
  6558. STOP BEING MEAN
  6559.  
  6560. Reply to this post
  6561.                
  6562. Alstor
  6563.        
  6564. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:10 PM
  6565.          With your icon, I read this with an added "y'all."
  6566.  
  6567. Reply to this post
  6568.                
  6569. Groovefox
  6570.        
  6571. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  6572.          A person doing their best to fix things would not leave the site up after this.
  6573.  
  6574. And that's me speaking as an admin for major international corporate websites.
  6575.  
  6576. This is sheer irresponsibility, laziness, sloth, and PURE INCOMPETENCE.
  6577.  
  6578.  
  6579. Reply to this post
  6580.                
  6581. Househead
  6582.        
  6583. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:59 PM
  6584.          If he was trying his best to fix things, the site would be down for maintenence to patch up the problems that occured instead of this fucklong thread of him ignoring logical posts and responding incorrectly to simple ones like "Whos' heads are going to role" and "who did this".
  6585.  
  6586. Reply to this post
  6587.                
  6588. Pi
  6589.        
  6590. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:59 PM
  6591.          The Thing Is, He Really Isn't Doing His Best To Fix Things. His Original Impulse Was To Sweep It Under The Rug. See The Original Post: http://forums.vivisector.org/index......9.html#msg3899
  6592.  
  6593. Also, how do you TYPE like that?
  6594.  
  6595. Reply to this post
  6596.                
  6597. Groovefox
  6598.        
  6599. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:28 PM
  6600.          You can easily write scripts that capitalize every word typed.
  6601.  
  6602. Reply to this post
  6603.                
  6604. Pi
  6605.        
  6606. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:32 PM
  6607.          Yes Because I Like To Write Scripts To Appear Illiterate In Public.
  6608.  
  6609. Reply to this post
  6610.                
  6611. MadzAd
  6612.        
  6613. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:45 PM
  6614.          people you do realise if you take shots at the site OWNER then he could just say "fuck you guys then" and close the site down because i'm sure that if he wanted dragoneer could use this space on his server for other things.
  6615.  
  6616. Reply to this post
  6617.                
  6618. coffinberry
  6619.        
  6620. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:49 PM
  6621.          Of course he can do this. He's taken shots from us before. But what on earth would be so different about this situation, enough for him to do it? Hmm!~
  6622.  
  6623. Reply to this post
  6624.                
  6625. Sherman128
  6626.        
  6627. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:50 PM
  6628.          Nah if anything he'll just ban the naysayer and move along like nothing happened.
  6629.  
  6630. Reply to this post
  6631.                
  6632. Sherman128
  6633.        
  6634. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  6635.          *naysayers
  6636.  
  6637. Reply to this post
  6638.                
  6639. Groovefox
  6640.        
  6641. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:58 PM
  6642.          Close the site down and something else comes up, all FA donations would have to be refunded otherwise it would be misappropriation of funds, and the IRS will swarm.
  6643.  
  6644. Been there, done that. NOT FUN.
  6645.  
  6646. Reply to this post
  6647.                
  6648. coffinberry
  6649.        
  6650. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:05 PM
  6651.          Can FA still get donations via paypal/alertpay? I didn't catch up on that.
  6652.  
  6653. Reply to this post
  6654.                
  6655. Groovefox
  6656.        
  6657. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:10 PM
  6658.          If FA closes down, donations accepted in the name of FA must go to FA, or it is misappropriation by misrepresentation and a violation.
  6659.  
  6660. Reply to this post
  6661.                
  6662. coffinberry
  6663.        
  6664. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:11 PM
  6665.          No no, I mean in the present.
  6666.  
  6667. Reply to this post
  6668.                
  6669. Groovefox
  6670.        
  6671. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:29 PM
  6672.          Oh, of that I am not sure. I would think no as of this moment.
  6673.  
  6674. Reply to this post
  6675.                
  6676. coffinberry
  6677.        
  6678. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:34 PM
  6679.          How on earth does the site stay afloat then?
  6680.  
  6681. Reply to this post
  6682.                
  6683. Varinki
  6684.        
  6685. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:16 PM
  6686.          Dragoneers wallet.
  6687.  
  6688. Reply to this post
  6689.                
  6690. coffinberry
  6691.        
  6692. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:10 AM
  6693.          OH this is very interesting, thank you. :)
  6694.  
  6695. Reply to this post
  6696.                
  6697. Varinki
  6698.        
  6699. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:23 AM
  6700.          I think it cost upwards of $800 a month.
  6701.  
  6702. Reply to this post
  6703.                
  6704. coffinberry
  6705.        
  6706. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:26 AM
  6707.          Gee that would be mightly costly to be paying out of pocket, wouldn't it? Site might get to be too much of a hassle!
  6708.  
  6709. Reply to this post
  6710.                
  6711. JohnnyCake
  6712.        
  6713. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:48 PM
  6714.          WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MY WORLD
  6715.  
  6716. Reply to this post
  6717.                
  6718. JSfreeman
  6719.        
  6720. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:51 PM
  6721.          Like I said earlier, here's to hoping we won't see a repeat of what happened.  
  6722.  
  6723. Reply to this post
  6724.                
  6725. Mishie
  6726.        
  6727. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:52 PM
  6728.          i didnt see the last journal, was this whole hack just because someone was butthurt what neer said over the last journal?
  6729. or has this shitstorm just been coming from a mile away?
  6730.  
  6731. Reply to this post
  6732.                
  6733. Pi
  6734.        
  6735. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:06 PM
  6736.          Long story short, the site has had known security problems for years, and nobody's bothered to fix them. Instead they paper over them, then pretend to act all cool when they get totally thrashed, twice in a row, in the span of a few days. Then they make an announcement that everything's secure again, and this is the part I don't quite get: people believe it.
  6737.  
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  6739.                
  6740. Mishie
  6741.        
  6742. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:08 PM
  6743.          yup.shitstorm waiting to happen.
  6744. XD it would be easier if this was jsut FIXED.we wouldnt of had this problem if it was done correctly the firt time =/
  6745. but, damage is done now
  6746.  
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  6748.                
  6749. Dark-Jolteon
  6750.        
  6751. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:22 PM
  6752.         http://bridgeportcat.livejournal.com/96818.html
  6753.  
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  6755.                
  6756. zeropointG
  6757.        
  6758. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:54 PM
  6759.          Well that was fun. :|
  6760.  
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  6762.                
  6763. FabiFox
  6764.        
  6765. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:55 PM
  6766.          LOUD NOISES
  6767.  
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  6769.                
  6770. Househead
  6771.        
  6772. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 08:59 PM
  6773.          I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT
  6774.  
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  6776.                
  6777. FoxBolt
  6778.        
  6779. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:05 PM
  6780.          SORRY COULDN'T HEAR YOU EVERYONE IS YELLING AT THE SAME TIME
  6781.  
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  6783.                
  6784. summercat
  6785.        
  6786. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:01 PM
  6787.          GAH DO NOT SCARE ME LIKE THAT
  6788.  
  6789. Reply to this post
  6790.                
  6791. Mishie
  6792.        
  6793. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:08 PM
  6794.          xD for some reason, this comment reminded me of those little goats, when you scare them they fall over all stiff legged XD
  6795.  
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  6797.                
  6798. summercat
  6799.        
  6800. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:12 PM
  6801.          D;
  6802.  
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  6804.                
  6805. goldanthrowolf1
  6806.        
  6807. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:04 PM
  6808.          You know, I'm noticing a lack of comments by the 'rest of the staff' or any of the staff members having anything on their journals at all. Hmm. Are you actually doing some damage control right now?
  6809.  
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  6811.                
  6812. Groovefox
  6813.        
  6814. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:08 PM
  6815.          Absolutely not, if they're smart they'd be on the phone with their lawyers because not only are hackers in trouble for this but SO ARE THE ADMINS FOR ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN AFTER BEING WARNED REPEATEDLY BY COMPETENT EXPERTS.
  6816.  
  6817. It has become a clear case of criminal negligence that resulted in the personal and private information of a site's members to be leaked, against data protection laws, in the UK, EU, and possibly Canada as well, I'm still reviewing Canadian data privacy laws but the laws for EU and UK are quite clear on this. The USA has no comprehensive data protection law besides Medical and Financial, so they're safe from USA-based users.
  6818.  
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  6820.                
  6821. goldanthrowolf1
  6822.        
  6823. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:15 PM
  6824.          Sad thing, both parties are literally up the proverbial shit creek without a paddle. Technically, the UK EU laws really do not hold much precidence here, sure, it might be illegal over there and up there, but there's not a damn thing that can really be done, unless said users who's information was leaked ACTUALLY reside in said countries, being that, they'd have to then take the admins to the local common pleas court, :/ I doubt very much that any fur who chooses to use FA as a place has the kind of money to get involved in a case like that, unless your Bernal who tends to send his DCMA flinging monkies all over the world somehow. :D
  6825.  
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  6829.                
  6830. drurowin
  6831.        
  6832. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:57 PM
  6833.          Out of interest, I wonder how large this mythical "USA users" list is... hard to calculate (read: impossible) without some serious number crunching and IP testing, but it can be done.
  6834.  
  6835. And _WHY_ do we Americans not have any laws stating that crackers who leak our address or careless admins should burn in Legal Hell? (Sorry if I misinterpreted that... operating on little sleep.) (Sorry also to the admins... you guys have a tough job, but a little bit more security on notes and stuff should have been implemented since day one. Just do your best to get it fixed ASAP so it is much less likely to happen again.)
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  6838.                
  6839. JqRaptor
  6840.        
  6841. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:16 AM
  6842.          Well we may soon be making some because of the Wikileaks guy...
  6843.  
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  6845.                
  6846. JqRaptor
  6847.        
  6848. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:20 AM
  6849.          Bleh, double posted for some reason. I thought I only clicked it once!
  6850.  
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  6852.                
  6853. drurowin
  6854.        
  6855. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 03:47 AM
  6856.          It does that periodically for no reason.
  6857.  
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  6859.                
  6860. JqRaptor
  6861.        
  6862. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:16 AM
  6863.          Well we may soon be making some because of the Wikileaks guy...
  6864.  
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  6866.                
  6867. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6868.        
  6869. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:09 PM
  6870.          One would think. This one hopes
  6871.  
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  6873.                
  6874. goldanthrowolf1
  6875.        
  6876. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:16 PM
  6877.          Yeah :/ Also, I liked your other comment, about the end of the world (this site) it's really the only reason I'm around anymore, because even for what FA has to offer, there really is more website available, just FA is well known, which in of itself should be MORE then enough proof that Dragoneer needs to up his professionalism when dealing with the website.
  6878.  
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  6880.                
  6881. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6882.        
  6883. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:28 PM
  6884.          Indeed. Well clearly change is in the air weather it be good or bad all we "innocents" must do is stand by and let it happen. We getting involved is not making the problem any better nor is it helping ATALL what we are doing is taking sides that will literally tear the site in two. While some want that to happen other "innocents" want this all to stop and be done with quickly and quietly. But the sad unfortunate thing is, with so many users up in arms about this whole epidemic it's hard for us just to get on with our day to day. While I agree that an administrative staff change is in order I do not agree it should be one of us. The reason Dragoneer has not pulled the plug? Through all of the spite and hate that is going on someone is trying to right whats been wronged. Someone still holds faith to this site. So my dear Furaffinity users think before you type. I sure you don't want to loose all of your work. If you don't have anything on here then by all means hope for the end. I am still hoping for resolvability.
  6885.  
  6886. RR
  6887.  
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  6889.                
  6890. goldanthrowolf1
  6891.        
  6892. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:46 PM
  6893.          Yeah, indeed. I'm being as unbiased as I can possibly be in this matter. I was QUITE angered by a good deal of hte stuff I read, even perhaps regret saying some stuff I did on lulz, BUT, at the same time I've stepped back, took a breather (and a few cigs) calmed down and tried to rationalize a good deal of this.
  6894.  
  6895. This whole situation could have been handled a much better way, first by neer pulling the plug, then NOT posting some 'we're working on it' face journal, when indeed he simply could have posted it to the main header, or simply reinstated his own Admin status and put the site into lockdown, which, means he still does not have full control.
  6896.  
  6897. Secondly, yes, people are WAY over reacting, but that's furries in general, and it will NOT get any better. I know there are alot of furs who seem to think their life revolves around this website, which it doesn't and shouldn't. I know that is somewhat crass of me saying, but a website like this shouldn't be your only social link to people. There are many avenues for e-social interaction within the fandom, and a great number of actual websites to post stuff too, or heck, even Deviant Art or Photobucket, or one of the other various websites that house images. There are many different routes in which to go, but people tend to go the easiest and most convenient, thus FA.
  6898.  
  6899. Though overall I guess it comes down to me personally and my 'stake' in the website is next to nill, I'll admit, I'm just here for the pr0n, and if the site goes the way of the Dodo via mismanagement, drama, what not, I won't be really concerned, I'll shake my head, say it was a good ride, go somewhere else. For many, I guess they can't let go, which that is something furs are also notorious for, clingyness. :(
  6900.  
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  6902.                
  6903. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6904.        
  6905. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:02 PM
  6906.          Well I see where you are coming from. It seems that you insinuate that furries are the only ones who cannot "let go" but my friend it is people in general. That's what we are same as Dragoneer. Human. I full heartedly agree that furries are more susceptible to drama and that which it entails. Don't get me wrong your two "absolute" solutions seem almost bullet proof. Almost. pulling the plug on the site would be the best option in a situation like this. If it was just this. But it's not, Sadly enough by the leak of 'neers posts and notes many more problems have arose. Which is were "absolute solution 2" Comes into effect (Total site lock down) Which is the best way to deal with the main issues brought into light. The problem with that is how do we continue to commission those we need to commission? While You are right again there are more sites on the internet than Just Furaffinity. The users (When the aren't enraged lol) enjoy the freedom they have to post what they want.
  6907.  
  6908. So my solution get the remaining staff,assuming they haven't fled for the hills, put the site on temporary lock down and figure the EFFING thing out!!!!
  6909.  
  6910. No I'm off to have one of those Smoke breaks you had oh and some coffee. It's going to be a long night...
  6911.  
  6912. RR
  6913.  
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  6915.                
  6916. goldanthrowolf1
  6917.        
  6918. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:10 PM
  6919.          Yeah. I know its hard for 'people' which I should have said, to let go. Being that this is a fur website, etc, thats of course where the point was focused. But yeah, a total lock down, would have been the best solution, something went wrong, something has went wrong, and rightly I don't blame ANYONE of the FA staff if they've not ran like you said. :P I should go out and get some more smokes, almost out, and I don't think I can go the rest of the night without a full pack, the durf of the whole situation is too astouding to not go without nicotine.
  6920.  
  6921. The worst part, the amusement factor, I sadly feel, is more enjoyable then even playing WoW at the moment.:P I don't know if that makes me a bad person, or someone who's finally tired of WoW already, hah.
  6922.  
  6923. Either way I just want to see how this plays out, it will surely be an interesting chapter in the 'life of the fandom' as it were when it's all over.
  6924.  
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  6926.                
  6927. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6928.        
  6929. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:17 PM
  6930.          Message me on skype sometime you have mind I like that. Thank you for a meaningful rebuttal.
  6931.  
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  6933.                
  6934. goldanthrowolf1
  6935.        
  6936. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:47 PM
  6937.          Argg.. I do not have skype running most of the time, it kinda hates my machine, as the machine currently only uses the shitty onboard audio, and has issues. I'd assume you have some other form of communication? Ill check your page, see what's listed there. If not, I'll use skype cause I do have a couple friends who like to chat on it, sadly, I gave my buddy in the other room my headset cause his earphones broke :/
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  6940.                
  6941. Snow-bLuE-Flame
  6942.        
  6943. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:31 AM
  6944.          send me a note for my email
  6945.  
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  6947.                
  6948. pyrocanis
  6949.        
  6950. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:08 PM
  6951.          What are some ways to tell if you got hacked?
  6952.  
  6953. Reply to this post
  6954.                
  6955. Sherman128
  6956.        
  6957. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:18 PM
  6958.          Your account says "Member" instead of "Admin"  
  6959.  
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  6961.                
  6962. goldanthrowolf1
  6963.        
  6964. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:18 PM
  6965.          Most generally if your password is changed, or you can't log in, but by judging that you're actually logged in I'd say that's a negative. Secondly, if your gallery is suddenly deleted, things missing, etc, thats a clear sign. For the most part, the attack seemed to be directed at a choice few drama stirrers and the like, or mostly focused on the staff itself. Most of the userbase have been spared the damage.
  6966.  
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  6968.                
  6969. pyrocanis
  6970.        
  6971. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:26 PM
  6972.          What about logging off when you know you didn't log off?
  6973.  
  6974. As for those attacked, sounds like someone with a potential vendetta.
  6975.  
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  6977.                
  6978. goldanthrowolf1
  6979.        
  6980. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:33 PM
  6981.          Well the 'cookies' have an expiration date, as well, and after a given time the cookie validations for the website run out, much like some higher end sites, like Yahoo, MSN, etc, things like that will have you log back in after a while. Also, everyone was 'logged out' including myself because at first I was leary to log in, then I remembered that my password here is the only place I use this password anymore, so, not possible to compromise me, also, I use other log ins other places :D
  6982.  
  6983. Don't worry, unless you were one of 20ish or so people you are more then likely totally unaffected. Also, yes, it was a targeted attack.
  6984.  
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  6986.                
  6987. Silnat
  6988.        
  6989. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:09 PM
  6990.          Hurray for control the pest  
  6991.  
  6992. Reply to this post
  6993.                
  6994. Bradykins
  6995.        
  6996. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:10 PM
  6997.          Well I think we can learn a few things from this.
  6998.  
  6999. 1. Ya'll need to hide your kids, hide your wife, and just stay away from Zaush cause he be rapin' errybody out hurr.
  7000.  
  7001. 2. Shit happens. We are human we make mistakes, even machinery can make mistakes. We need to own up to the mistakes instead of avoiding them and denying that they never happened. Taking blame for something is one of the best things you can do because it shows that you are an honest and good person.
  7002.  
  7003. 3. Any website can have a Craigslist killer. Do not post any information on websites that can be compromised. Even Facebook has access to this kind of information.
  7004.  
  7005. I've seen a lot of good artists delete their galleries and accounts and up and leave because of this issue. Let's hope it can be fixed and that we can revise the AUP (again) and make sure that everyone follows it, including Owners and Administration staff.
  7006.  
  7007. So let's see what happens next after this, I'm sure ED will be posting some interesting stuff on the FA page soon.
  7008.  
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  7010.                
  7011. Mishie
  7012.        
  7013. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:28 PM
  7014.          i vote we need a " fav comment" section
  7015. id fav this one so hard, 1 made me lol SO hard XD
  7016.  
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  7018.                
  7019. Bradykins
  7020.        
  7021. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:30 PM
  7022.          I only told the truth,. :P
  7023.  
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  7025.                
  7026. goldanthrowolf1
  7027.        
  7028. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:34 PM
  7029.          I laughed MUCH harder then I should have, really. :)
  7030.  
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  7032.                
  7033. Bradykins
  7034.        
  7035. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:49 PM
  7036.          Well, obviously we have a rapist on FurAffinity! He's climbing in your windows, snatching your people up and tryin' to rape 'em so you need to hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husband away from Zaush cause he be rapin' errybody out hurr. So you can run and tell that, homeboy.
  7037.  
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  7039.                
  7040. goldanthrowolf1
  7041.        
  7042. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:13 PM
  7043.          I know I shouldn't laugh, but I find myslf doing it every time. :P That dude the cousin or whatever, and the amount of remixs and songs about his little comment, will live in infamy for the next few years for sure.
  7044.  
  7045. Really, why someone hasn't already started to make up a parody.. oh wait they have! ;>_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4dUJnQrzjE Ill probably catch hell for this, but it's so deeply embeded by now, yeah.
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  7048.                
  7049. MonsterousJuiceBox
  7050.        
  7051. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:11 PM
  7052.          I have some concerns, sorry to bother you Dragoneer:
  7053.  
  7054. #1: How do we know if our password was leaked?
  7055. #2: How do we see if its OUR notes being passed around/where is this site(s) they were posted on?
  7056. #3: Can this happen again, should we be worried?
  7057. #4: How did this happen in the first place?
  7058.  
  7059.  
  7060.  
  7061. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not out to criticize the admins or the site, I'm just worried and would like some more details about the issue.
  7062. Everyone is posting such vague information that I'm confused about the whole deal :C
  7063.  
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  7065.                
  7066. summercat
  7067.        
  7068. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:15 PM
  7069.          I can answer part of these.
  7070.  
  7071. 1) Passwords were not leaked. Admin tools were broken in to, and admins can NOT see passwords. The password storage is server side, and server access was not gained.
  7072.  
  7073. 2) Lulz.net is where they are posted, and a total of 41 people's notes were accessed. I'll see about providing a list at some point.
  7074.  
  7075. 3) The security holes found have been patched. It can't happen the same way again.
  7076.  
  7077. 4) That is still being determined, but I'm willing to venture the guess of old legacy code.
  7078.  
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  7080.                
  7081. Tuqiri13
  7082.        
  7083. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:20 PM
  7084.          1. Tried using SQL inject once?
  7085.  
  7086. 2. Would you believe lulz.net if they told you the would will end tomorow
  7087.  
  7088. 3. The flaw was due to admins using the same passwords
  7089.  
  7090. 4. A sites password database was taken by an SQL inject the FA admin passwords was in there some people got there hands on them and yeah
  7091.  
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  7095.                
  7096. summercat
  7097.        
  7098. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:22 PM
  7099.          1) I know jack diddly about coding.I am told that the server was not accessed.
  7100.  
  7101. 2) Logs on our side show which users were accessed.
  7102.  
  7103. 3) That was the their two days ago, but not as much right now.
  7104.  
  7105. 4) That, as I said 3, was the theory 2 days ago.
  7106.  
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  7108.                
  7109. Tuqiri13
  7110.        
  7111. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:26 PM
  7112.          If you cant access the passwords then how the hell can you log on?
  7113.  
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  7115.                
  7116. summercat
  7117.        
  7118. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:34 PM
  7119.          ...what?
  7120.  
  7121. Reply to this post
  7122.                
  7123. Tuqiri13
  7124.        
  7125. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:39 PM
  7126.          If you cant access the users table how can you log on?
  7127.  
  7128. Reply to this post
  7129.                
  7130. MonsterousJuiceBox
  7131.        
  7132. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:27 PM
  7133.          I mean I no "popufur" but I had a fuck ton of people's HOME addresses for snail mail commissions and some people's PERSONAL phone numbers.
  7134.  
  7135. I'm scared that their or my home addresses were leaked out. I'm just really worried about that.
  7136. Yanno, there are a million creepers out there and idk what some of them would do with someone's information like that :C
  7137.  
  7138.  
  7139.  
  7140. Also: why isn't the list out now if you guys have it so we can start working on things in real life to change phone numbers and stuff.
  7141.  
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  7143.                
  7144. summercat
  7145.        
  7146. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:36 PM
  7147.          I can't authorize the release of the info, but I'm suggesting it gets put out.
  7148.  
  7149. Reply to this post
  7150.                
  7151. goldanthrowolf1
  7152.        
  7153. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:35 PM
  7154.          Unless you were one of hte targeted people I would not be concerned. Also, high profile websites like this are also a place you don't really want to use the same password on as other REALLY important stuff, as well, that is why you have a different log in for places.
  7155.  
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  7157.                
  7158. Kleemin
  7159.        
  7160. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:15 PM
  7161.          Yo 'neer, I argued your case about that one incident better than you did, I think you'd like to read it in a comment train ^up there. You're not very good at wording things sometimes, but I know you have everyone's best interest in mind.
  7162.  
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  7164.                
  7165. summercat
  7166.        
  7167. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:16 PM
  7168.          Neer will respond when he gets around again, methinks. In the meantime, I thank you.
  7169.  
  7170. Reply to this post
  7171.                
  7172. Kleemin
  7173.        
  7174. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:26 PM
  7175.          No worries, I just waned to make sure that he saw it, so if that was his intentions, as I assume they were, he has a better way of explaining it. And if I was wrong in what I said, I'd like him to see what I said and bring light to the situation if I am wrong.
  7176. I've been in an administrative situation before(not to the extent of a huge site such as this, mind you), and I do know that things can and will be mistook and misspoke sometimes. Shit happens, I commend all of the staff for pulling through tough times, and I trust things will be better soon. c:
  7177.  
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  7179.                
  7180. Dark-Jolteon
  7181.        
  7182. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:17 PM
  7183.          I pretty much was trusting you in everything you have done until now, until I read this: http://bridgeportcat.livejournal.com/96818.html
  7184.  
  7185. Seriously 'Neer? Protecting animal abusers and rapists? I'm disgusted... I thought you were better than this.
  7186.  
  7187. You should resign as Admin, this is simply deplorable and you should be ashamed of yourself.
  7188.  
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  7190.                
  7191. Sherman128
  7192.        
  7193. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:27 PM
  7194.          Holy mother of god
  7195.  
  7196. Reply to this post
  7197.                
  7198. Dark-Jolteon
  7199.        
  7200. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:34 PM
  7201.          IKR?
  7202.  
  7203. Reply to this post
  7204.                
  7205. Alstor
  7206.        
  7207. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:29 PM
  7208.          He puts too much money in the site. He won't just resign like that.
  7209.  
  7210. Reply to this post
  7211.                
  7212. Dark-Jolteon
  7213.        
  7214. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:35 PM
  7215.          He should give it to someone else while supporting him/her then.
  7216.  
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  7218.                
  7219. Sherman128
  7220.        
  7221. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:36 PM
  7222.          This.
  7223.  
  7224. Reply to this post
  7225.                
  7226. Dark-Jolteon
  7227.        
  7228. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:56 PM
  7229.          Yup.
  7230.  
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  7232.                
  7233. robotplanedinosaur
  7234.        
  7235. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:18 PM
  7236.          Would it all be possible for you to approach this from a different perspective, and actually explain what transpired instead of just assuming that everyone is aware of the fact that the site was hacked? This is news, and you should be treating it as such. "Yes, ___ happened" is in no way informative to people who don't check FA on a daily basis. I am not immersed in the community or the fandom, so I can only guess what happened based on what other people--users, and not the people who actually run this site--are saying.
  7237.  
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  7239.                
  7240. Pi
  7241.        
  7242. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:23 PM
  7243.          Survey says, "probably not." This is the first time he has been persuaded not to sweep this under the rug. Merely getting him to approach it from that perspective has taken a couple of years.
  7244.  
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  7246.                
  7247. Sonious
  7248.        
  7249. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:34 AM
  7250.          But...but everyone sees what he sees. Everyone knows what he know o.o
  7251.  
  7252. lol
  7253.  
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  7255.                
  7256. slash125
  7257.        
  7258. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:23 PM
  7259.          Drama every where o3o
  7260.  
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  7262.                
  7263. ExplosiveBlaziken
  7264.        
  7265. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:27 PM
  7266.          Incompetent moderation? Check.
  7267. Dramawhoring lead mod? Check.
  7268.  
  7269. I'd be surprised if this site doesn't self destruct before the year's out.
  7270.  
  7271. Reply to this post
  7272.                
  7273. Dark-Jolteon
  7274.        
  7275. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:33 PM
  7276.          Seconded.
  7277.  
  7278. Reply to this post
  7279.                
  7280. Alstor
  7281.        
  7282. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:28 PM
  7283.          My sympathies towards everyone that had their private information leaked, including you, Neer. But please. Treat the site with the responsibility that you gave yourself five years ago. It has thousands of users, and it can't be governed by one's opinion.
  7284.  
  7285. Also, a little thing for the people that use the "free site" excuse. Let's say that I go volunteer at a soup kitchen tomorrow. And let's say that I don't use proper cleanliness when handling the food, ridicule the patrons, and basically do a half ass job. Now, I could be bashed for my performance, but, to be fair, I'm giving up my time and effort for free for this kitchen. And, in a way, I'm doing the job to the best of my abilities.
  7286.  
  7287. Does that seem right to you? That just because a person a person does volunteer work, he/she will automatically be a solid contribution?
  7288.  
  7289. Reply to this post
  7290.                
  7291. Lynx189
  7292.        
  7293. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:32 PM
  7294.          I said my piece in the previous journal, so I'll just say this.
  7295. I dun care who does what or whatever was said.
  7296.  
  7297. Just fix the damn thing. :D
  7298.  
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  7300.                
  7301. ExplosiveBlaziken
  7302.        
  7303. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:34 PM
  7304.          Hard to 'fix' when it was your own mods doing it.
  7305.  
  7306. Yep, right after the AlertPay, Dragoneer wants more cash. He sets up a hack. He plays off the sympathy like a little whore. But he fucked it up with the Zaush comments.
  7307.  
  7308. Reply to this post
  7309.                
  7310. Lynx189
  7311.        
  7312. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:39 PM
  7313.          Oh, if I spoke my real feelings I'd be rather flustered by the end of it.
  7314. But yeah. The whole Admin can see everything part is kinda 'big brother' too me. Thus why I just don't use it for more than a glorified chat. :3
  7315.  
  7316. Personal information should be spoken in a -SECURE- format, not a website. Especially not here. Ya know, Admins watching ya every movement and stuff.
  7317.  
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  7319.                
  7320. goldanthrowolf1
  7321.        
  7322. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:39 PM
  7323.          I've looked at this possibility as well. We know the attention that all the mods so desperately seek, the notes just confirm alot of suspicions already. It would not surprise me one bit, that this is indeed what happened, considering the site, which I've said time and time again should have gone down, has remained up to be continually hacked and mined. We really need Sherlock Holmes in on this one.
  7324.  
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  7326.                
  7327. ExplosiveBlaziken
  7328.        
  7329. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:42 PM
  7330.          We know Dragoneer is unstable. We know he has the mod team at his beck and call. It is not beyond him to do things like this.
  7331.  
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  7333.                
  7334. goldanthrowolf1
  7335.        
  7336. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:50 PM
  7337.          Well what gets me is that for a while there, he was all buddy buddy with IK, then supposedly now all this is IK's doing, and in his notes it even states that he was buddies, and pretty damningly so, with the WYS fiasco, which with IK took down E621. Really, there's so much to go through, it's not possible to simply look through ALL of it without getting a migraine, and I only have 2 Immatrex pills left, and at $10 a pop I don't wanna waste them on a majority of nothingness.
  7338.  
  7339. Overall a bunch of bad shit went down, could have VERY easally been prevented if blaring egos would have NOT been involved. Its a clear case of snobbery at it's finest overriding common sense, on all parties, that's just my opinion at this moment, though, that's subject to change with the next bit of information that gets found, or is released, or the next buffoon level stunt that is pulled.
  7340.  
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  7342.                
  7343. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7344.        
  7345. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:35 PM
  7346.          i really hope it gets fixed and improved security. im learning to hack so that i may be of service to those that have accounts stolen to get em back on any site and so on as i think stealing things that isn't yours wasn't given and so on is wrong.
  7347.  
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  7349.                
  7350. goldanthrowolf1
  7351.        
  7352. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:51 PM
  7353.          You know, stating that your 'learning to hack' is not exactly a very intelligent thing to say, all things considering.
  7354.  
  7355. Reply to this post
  7356.                
  7357. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7358.        
  7359. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:04 PM
  7360.          for the right reasons if you read enough there's a reason im not banned i wouldn't hack the iste to steal only to get people things back if i had to and admins couldnt do so or needed help but here kinda not likely anywhere else maybe but here not really, so please read next time before you reply.
  7361.  
  7362. Reply to this post
  7363.                
  7364. goldanthrowolf1
  7365.        
  7366. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:18 PM
  7367.          Bud, I don't think you really thought this out. First off, I DID read what you said, and its not the most appropriate thing to be claiming your learning to hack, for any reason, ever, anywhere on the internet, ever, flat out. You're best course of action would have been to wait if this whole situation blows over, then when/if dragoneer manages to regain control to privately message him (all considering) offering said services or said help, not simply post them for EVERYONE to see. People see negative things like hacking/cracking as a destestible thing, CONSIDERING the current situation, do you REALLY wish to be advertising you are 'learning to hack' at all? Also, you don't really want to 'pick a fight' with me here, trust me, if that's what you're trying to read into more of my comment then a helpful friendly comment.
  7368.  
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  7370.                
  7371. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7372.        
  7373. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:39 PM
  7374.          " it n a certain way because of how it was used"
  7375.  
  7376. there fixed that for you
  7377.  
  7378. btw think what you want you seem to not let yourself think in any good shape or form.
  7379.  
  7380. you may think someone who posts should be warned but isn't that the admins jobs so dude stop commenting unless you have something to contribute here not the silly well think dude this is going on now learn what is appropriate to post and what isn't, so dude either get a admin position or GTFO im done talking to you
  7381.  
  7382. and if i sound rude i apologize but you have pushed way to many buttons here stop thinking people don't know things, chances of me being smarter may be that much higher because of it so take your own advice stop and think before you reply!
  7383.  
  7384. Reply to this post
  7385.                
  7386. goldanthrowolf1
  7387.        
  7388. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:53 PM
  7389.          I really am not bothered by your choice to 'correct' me or stop talking to me. Firstly, you could spend a BIT of effort in actually making a post that has, I don't know, grammar, punctuation, etc, and less implying. I am contributing, I've been offering some advice, and 20+ years of experience in matters, that seem to have bone unheard, and or someone hopping on the snarky wagon about it, namely you.
  7390.  
  7391. And.. really mature, GTFO? Way to end a conversation broseph, your credibility ended there. To me, you're immature fur ninebillionth who has no sense of what the real world is, or anything acutely aware of the situation here. I should have never tried to be 'helpful' as it seems you're the kind with the fingers in the ear, lalala type anyways, good riddance sir. *monocles*
  7392.  
  7393. and if i sound rude i apologize but you have pushed way to many buttons here stop thinking people don't know things, chances of me being smarter may be that much higher because of it so take your own advice stop and think before you reply!
  7394.  
  7395.  
  7396. Your typing/sentence structure speaks encyclopedia's of your own knowledge and wisdom of the situation. Also, I have to finish with 'asskisser much?"
  7397.  
  7398. Reply to this post
  7399.                
  7400. drurowin
  7401.        
  7402. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:11 PM
  7403.          Whenever I talk about "hacking" I take very special care to make sure everyone knows I mean "program computers" and "learn low-level things, like memory management on TI calculators". I know this isn't what you mean, but... like the other guy said... be careful what you say... This /is/ the Internet.
  7404.  
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  7406.                
  7407. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7408.        
  7409. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:34 PM
  7410.          ok well thats why i said that id do so to help technically the gov does so to make sure were all safe in their country so why not have someone do the same on the outside don't need schooling or a job to make that legal maybe some will take offense but that's the price to having t make dumbassed thieves stop right.
  7411.  
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  7413.                
  7414. TehPuppy
  7415.        
  7416. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:57 PM
  7417.          Seriously. Just shut the fuck up now. Your ill-formed opinions are embarrassing to read.
  7418.  
  7419. Reply to this post
  7420.                
  7421. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7422.        
  7423. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:57 AM
  7424.          youmad.jpg
  7425.  
  7426. seriously take your own advice and go back into the hole you crawled from and stop attempting to troll someone if that's what your doing.
  7427.  
  7428. besides broken buttons or malfunctioning ones is no reason to start swearing dude, i suggest you get up from your computer take a walk cool off and then try and reply again politely this time.
  7429.  
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  7431.                
  7432. AquaVixen
  7433.        
  7434. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:01 AM
  7435.          There's an apostrophe button. I'd suggest you learn how to use it correctly.
  7436.  
  7437. Reply to this post
  7438.                
  7439. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7440.        
  7441. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:59 AM
  7442.          yeah nearsighted with no glasses cannot afford and having trouble typing as well, not to mention some buttons such as the period button and few others are malfunctioning i click em but tbh sometimes they don't want to register LOL
  7443.  
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  7445.                
  7446. drurowin
  7447.        
  7448. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:24 AM
  7449.          I'm sorry... I need punctuation... Normally I can figure it out, but that was a bit too much.
  7450.  
  7451. Reply to this post
  7452.                
  7453. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7454.        
  7455. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:51 AM
  7456.          sorry kinda have my keyboard acting up atm and idk how to fix the buttons some are not clicking properly and or showing as been clicked lol
  7457.  
  7458. Reply to this post
  7459.                
  7460. drurowin
  7461.        
  7462. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:09 AM
  7463.          Sounds like our main computer's keyboard... good luck with that.
  7464.  
  7465. Reply to this post
  7466.                
  7467. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7468.        
  7469. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:23 AM
  7470.          well if your willing to tell me, if you know whats wrong with it please do so via notes i don't really wish to stream off topic of what can be done to help future wise and or give suggestions and so on.
  7471.  
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  7473.                
  7474. drurowin
  7475.        
  7476. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 03:47 AM
  7477.          I have no idea... my sister spilled coffee on ours, which I doubt is your problem.
  7478.  
  7479. Reply to this post
  7480.                
  7481. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7482.        
  7483. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:04 AM
  7484.          damn well ok thought id see if any tips would be available but guess ill find out on my own then, thanks anyways though.
  7485.  
  7486. Reply to this post
  7487.                
  7488. PaulShep
  7489.        
  7490. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 09:45 PM
  7491.          I believe that you guys can restore the site back to normal in no time. You and all the admins work very hard to keep this site at its best and I appreciate that a ton. I'm not worried about the drama at all, so don't take it too personal and keep doing your job like you always did.
  7492.  
  7493. Thank you! *hugs*
  7494.  
  7495. Reply to this post
  7496.                
  7497. Renard_V
  7498.        
  7499. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:00 PM
  7500.         http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:16204909
  7501.  
  7502. thank you for removing this post in an effort to save yourself looking like an ass
  7503.  
  7504. fuck off, please and thank you
  7505.  
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  7507.                
  7508. goldanthrowolf1
  7509.        
  7510. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:20 PM
  7511.          I'm curious what post was removed?
  7512.  
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  7514.                
  7515. legndcar1
  7516.        
  7517. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:03 PM
  7518.          I just read through all of the comments here and i honestly have a headache now >.-.< anyway i wish the admin staff luck in restoring the site and will not judge anyone for past mistakes or poor decisions....yes some of the actions of some admins are questionable...but lets just focus on getting the site back secure and all
  7519.  
  7520.  
  7521.  
  7522. so yeah i will still support FA and the staff and wish for a quick resolution to all of this ^.-.^
  7523.  
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  7525.                
  7526. Mitchell
  7527.        
  7528. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:21 PM
  7529.          WE DIDN'T LISTEN
  7530. Reply to this post
  7531.                
  7532. goldanthrowolf1
  7533.        
  7534. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:25 PM
  7535.          Wow.. dude.. http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:16205116 really..
  7536. Reply to this post
  7537.                
  7538. iLOL
  7539.        
  7540. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:42 PM
  7541.          FA got hacked, PMs got out, fagoneer apparently supports dogfuckers.
  7542. http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/...../mobiandog.jpg
  7543. Get the fuck out.
  7544. Reply to this post
  7545.                
  7546. dog_over_man
  7547.        
  7548. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:59 PM
  7549.          don't ask, don't yelp
  7550. Reply to this post
  7551.                
  7552. Robert_Strongfox
  7553.        
  7554. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:43 PM
  7555.          On the 16'th gawker.com was hacked and all passwords leaked, an admin on this site had an account on there and used the same password there as on here. Someone found it and broke into that admins account on the 17'th and took a big amount of leaking info off all the admins logs of messages, notes, info and leaked it to lulz.com. After that the admins turned off FA for a bit and claimed they where not hacked (which at the time they where not). They come back online and all is good. The admin that was broke into got hacked and FA came down again. Shortly after that today all the admins and staff got there abilities pulled because they wanted to prevent any further damage. When that was happening the forum got hacked and someone got into about 47 or so accounts and deleted all there galleries and notes plus there journals. When this news was found out people were told to permanently delete all sensitive information on there FA account and change there password. The forums Are offline the site is now under no staff control. more and more screen shots of conversations are showing up on lulz.net and people are getting more safe about there personal information and passwords.
  7556. Reply to this post
  7557.                
  7558. necronomicon
  7559.        
  7560. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:14 PM
  7561.          Not everyone who got locked out of their accounts had their galleries deleted. They are just locked out.
  7562. Reply to this post
  7563.                
  7564. Robert_Strongfox
  7565.        
  7566. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:20 PM
  7567.          thats why i said got into
  7568. Reply to this post
  7569.                
  7570. OmegaBlue69
  7571.        
  7572. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 10:54 PM
  7573.          Wow there's a lot of hate.
  7574.  
  7575. Well instead of bitching at you for not having security like the Pentagon, which isn't all that great to be honest, I'll just wish you luck getting things fixed.
  7576.  
  7577. Reply to this post
  7578.                
  7579. drurowin
  7580.        
  7581. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:18 PM
  7582.          Protecting your porn viewing habits with a 36+ character password is definitely needed...
  7583.  
  7584. On a serious note, setting your forum password to your regular site password is a Bad Idea™... even more so when your "regular site" credentials give you the admin bit.
  7585.  
  7586. My recommendation? Write a password program to generate one for you... read the first 30 display characters from /dev/random... anything other than setting it as your "favorite pass".
  7587.  
  7588. Reply to this post
  7589.                
  7590. blupug
  7591.        
  7592. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:16 PM
  7593.          Angry furries roar
  7594. over drama covered mountaintops
  7595. and waterfalls of gawker passwords
  7596. prancing hackers in the meadow
  7597. sing a song of satisfaction to the lulz...  
  7598.  
  7599. Reply to this post
  7600.                
  7601. TIM-ber-wolf
  7602.        
  7603. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:22 PM
  7604.          I'm just going to throw this out here:
  7605. Dragoneer, I appreciate your humility. Yes, there's a problem, and yes, you're keeping us aware.
  7606. I also appreciate the fact that you -and probably more than a few other members of Staff- are trying to fix the problem, all while trying to fend off the above 400 or so slams, complaints, insults, whining, and blaming. Of all of the ways to spend a Saturday, dealing with all of this is about dead last on my list. I certainly don't envy you. FA ain't perfect, but nothing is. Everyone makes mistakes, usually on a frequent basis.
  7607. So, yeah. Thanks for FA, and the work that goes into it.
  7608. Reply to this post
  7609.                
  7610. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7611.        
  7612. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:51 PM
  7613.          more than these whiners exist people like me have contributed suggestions knowledge and such ive contributed suggestions and so on, me personally i threw out there that im taking hackers training so as to help people on certain things such as thieves stealing their accounts and so on and giving em back free of charge, which is a god deed regardless of what i have to do to get it back for em never would i consider stealing for myself or others what isnt rightfully theirs to begin with,
  7614. btw whats your suggestion not whining just saying your praises but id really like to see what you can contribute here.
  7615. Reply to this post
  7616.                
  7617. TIM-ber-wolf
  7618.        
  7619. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:55 PM
  7620.          I don't know enough about cybersecurity to be able to make a suggestion; that's why I haven't.
  7621. Besides that, I don't think now is entirely the appropriate time for that; now is the time to patch the holes and fix the damage, not experiment with tweaks.
  7622. Reply to this post
  7623.                
  7624. the-pale-tailed-fox
  7625.        
  7626. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:53 AM
  7627.          yeah guess that's true but cant be too prepared right  . and yeah but in case stuff like this ever happens again i hope it doesn't but id still try and see where i can possibly be of help.
  7628. Reply to this post
  7629.                
  7630. Pi
  7631.        
  7632. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 03:25 AM
  7633.        
  7634. I don't know enough about cybersecurity to be able to make a suggestion; that's why I haven't.
  7635.  
  7636.  
  7637. Then why did you open your mouth in the first place?
  7638.  
  7639. Reply to this post
  7640.                
  7641. TIM-ber-wolf
  7642.        
  7643. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:11 AM
  7644.          Did you read my post at all? I wasn't making a suggestion; I was replying to Dragoneer's apology. In fact, nowhere in his entry does he mention updating security procedures, or anything else that would, to me, imply a desire for suggestions. I was merely acknowledging his humility and thanking his devotion to a -and if I may say so- rather ungrateful userbase, which is relevant to his post. In the words of my AP LANG teacher, "Answer the blasted prompt!"
  7645.  
  7646. Besides, very few others were expressing the least bit of gratitude. Something I respect Dragoneer very much for is the fact that he still keeps this place alive for us. Were I him, I'd have given up on this userbase a long time ago.
  7647. Reply to this post
  7648.                
  7649. Syrae-Universe
  7650.        
  7651. (No Subject) Posted: December 18th, 2010 11:32 PM
  7652.          It's a mother fucking shitstorm above my comment.
  7653.  
  7654. My god people. =_=;
  7655.  
  7656. Anyways, at least you admit your error.
  7657.  
  7658. As for the rape thing? Can't say anything since it's not involved with me, unfortunately.
  7659.  
  7660. Reply to this post
  7661.                
  7662. Sonious
  7663.        
  7664. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:35 AM
  7665.          If rape is involved I certainly wouldn't be saying "unfortunately" in the being uninvolved part...
  7666. Reply to this post
  7667.                
  7668. Syrae-Universe
  7669.        
  7670. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:36 AM
  7671.          I wouldn't bring any topics of IRL "Rape" onto a site to be privately discussed in places that can be found.
  7672.  
  7673. If you want to discuss it, take it to emails where it's safer there.
  7674. It's common sense.
  7675.  
  7676. Reply to this post
  7677.                
  7678. Shadowill
  7679.        
  7680. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:05 AM
  7681.          most of furtards whine and bitch for nothing, but the reason is mostly because they're afraid that hackers attacks their pages and delete FUCKING EVERYTHING giving back their virginity~ lol
  7682. Reply to this post
  7683.                
  7684. Furry_Raver
  7685.        
  7686. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:23 AM
  7687.          Is there anything more than just saying "Wow"?
  7688. Reply to this post
  7689.                
  7690. RosenOtter
  7691.        
  7692. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:26 AM
  7693.          I, for one, am staying. Even if the guy that's drawn me a couple dozen times in his webcomic without my permission called me a stalker in a PM.
  7694.  
  7695. Reply to this post
  7696.                
  7697. MaxCoyote
  7698.        
  7699. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:27 AM
  7700.          Maybe this is the shot in the arm needed to update the site with drasticly new and more advanced code.
  7701.  
  7702. Reply to this post
  7703.                
  7704. AquaVixen
  7705.        
  7706. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:12 AM
  7707.          They can't update it to new code, they changed and molded (by today) very ancient code to make it work on their own. At it's core is a very old open-source website platform. To "update and install modern code" would mean they'd have to re-design the entire website from scratch, and I don't see that happening any time soon.
  7708.  
  7709. In short, this is the 'wake up call' that FA is one of the least secure websites on the internet, most of us have known this for years, but now it's been made glaringly obvious to the general public.
  7710. Reply to this post
  7711.                
  7712. MaxCoyote
  7713.        
  7714. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:23 AM
  7715.          What about this new "big" update they have been working on for months?? The one with the new UI?
  7716. Reply to this post
  7717.                
  7718. AquaVixen
  7719.        
  7720. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:29 AM
  7721.          they've been claiming to have a 'big update' for about 2 years now... I'll believe it when i see it.
  7722. Reply to this post
  7723.                
  7724. Firehazard
  7725.        
  7726. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:52 AM
  7727.          They already got someone to do that. It was apparently close to finished, but the guy who was working on it quit because of drama or something. You know, the usual. The code is still floating around somewhere, but my guess is that the staff won't touch it for fear it's full of exploits, because the same guy who wrote it hacked the site a month or so ago.
  7728. Reply to this post
  7729.                
  7730. JqRaptor
  7731.        
  7732. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:09 AM
  7733.          Grr Neer. How dare you build a website with any less security than a internet Fort Knox. How else am I supposed to share my bank account number, social security and detailed embarrassing and personal information with random people in a community I'm a part of? CLEARLY you need to shell out more money from your own pocket to hire a crack 'A team' coding group to give this place a complete remodeling! I am leaving FA and refuse to have any part of it till it is completely safe to post anything I want online with no risk of the information falling into the hands of people I don't want it too!
  7734. Reply to this post
  7735.                
  7736. dragonzoomer
  7737.        
  7738. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:11 AM
  7739.          good luck man. whoever did this obviously wanted everyone to hate you [more?] and its working DX shouldnt we stick together and try and get rid of the threat instead of attacking each other?
  7740. Reply to this post
  7741.                
  7742. Uroboros
  7743.        
  7744. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:18 AM
  7745.          No! Kveekly! Ve haff to keel ze zoomer!
  7746. *waves pitchfork*
  7747. Reply to this post
  7748.                
  7749. dragonzoomer
  7750.        
  7751. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:38 AM
  7752.          FURRIES ATTACK D8 *throws animal dildos off a cliff* OMG LOOK! *points*
  7753. Reply to this post
  7754.                
  7755. simon-fox
  7756.        
  7757. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:29 AM
  7758.          Anyone who thinks the data leaks and hacking are the fault of anyone but FurAffinity has a severely warped sense of logic.
  7759. Reply to this post
  7760.                
  7761. Sherman128
  7762.        
  7763. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:54 AM
  7764.          Anyone who thinks the sceencaps of Neer saying those things are fake is an idiot.
  7765. Reply to this post
  7766.                
  7767. JqRaptor
  7768.        
  7769. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:03 AM
  7770.          I'm confused by your logic. Okay, FA's security wasn't tight enough. But your logic applied to another situation would be like saying 'Okay, so a store got robbed but its the stores fault for not putting enough security to stop it.'
  7771. The people who robbed the store are at no fault whatsoever?
  7772.  
  7773. Reply to this post
  7774.                
  7775. simon-fox
  7776.        
  7777. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 05:36 AM
  7778.          The robbers would have happened regardless. The fact they were successful shows that there wasn't enough security in place.
  7779. FurAffinity does not have enough security in place. It's as simple as that. I'd have to check but I'm 99% sure there's not even an account lockout or captcha if you try to log in wrong too many times. That's not acceptable.
  7780.  
  7781. Using your example, this is like locking the store at night without a security system, then whining the next day when you come in and found someone broke the window and stole stuff. There's security in place, just not enough security. The store should then reevaluate their security and make changes to prevent it from happening again, not point fingers, blame the robbers, tell everyone how upset they are, figuring out what they smashed the window with, and doing everything but actually focusing on beefing up security.
  7782. And yes, I realize they probably ARE working on improving security, it's just moving too slow. FA needs more than one developer in order to get these things out in a timely manner. You CAN blame the store for constantly getting robbed when it's sitting around installing it's own security system for 6 months instead of hiring someone else to come do it for them.
  7783.  
  7784. Reply to this post
  7785.                
  7786. JqRaptor
  7787.        
  7788. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 05:59 AM
  7789.          Then be my guest and hire one for Neer. You seem to forget, this isn't a BUSINESS. This is a website, run on donations that don't even cover the monthly costs. You can whine all you like that Dragoneer should spend loads of money hiring a professional team to design the website, but the fact is he can't. He doesn't HAVE to even provide as much as he is out of his own pocket, hes doing it because he likes the place and the community. If you want to hire a professional team of programmers to do the job, go donate a couple grand and tell him to do it. If you feel that the security is inadequate, DO NOT USE ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION HERE. You can complain about the security all you like, but the option of 'hire a professional team' isn't a option. Might as well have 'Hire the A-team' or 'Perpetual Motion Device' as solutions. They may be able to solve the problem but they aren't solutions that are doable at this time.
  7790.  
  7791. Now he might be able to get some volunteer coders, but then it falls into a matter of trust. Do YOU trust random people who may or may not have credentials to build a website that will handle all your personal information and that of thousands of others? There have been volunteers, but at least a handful of them have been written off because their behavior indicates they are not someone you would want to give admin status to because they would probably abuse it or not feel safe with it. Even not giving them an admin account, they would have access to the site code and could cause all sorts of problems if they felt slighted or fired or dismissed.
  7792.  
  7793. So it comes down to he is limited in volunteers he knows he can trust, and have the skills, and are willing; and doesn't have the funds to hire ones with these abilities professionally.
  7794. And as far as breaking into the stores, locks and security systems are only DETERENTS. Any determened thief can break into a house regardless of the security systems. Lock the doors? they break it in or pick the lock. Alarmed windows? Bypass it, or just break it and leave before the police show up. Put a gate over the windows? Crowbar and fifteen minutes determined work. A security system is only to deter a thief enough to say 'this is too much effort for too little reward' and go find easier pickings elsewhere. You CAN convert your place of business into fort knox, but it comes into question when you are just wasting your time and effort. Otherwise every store would have their own walk in vault for all their money with dual keycard access and thumbprint reader.
  7795. Reply to this post
  7796.                
  7797. simon-fox
  7798.        
  7799. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 06:28 AM
  7800.          "Then be my guest and hire one for Neer. You seem to forget, this isn't a BUSINESS. This is a website, run on donations that don't even cover the monthly costs. You can whine all you like that Dragoneer should spend loads of money hiring a professional team to design the website, but the fact is he can't."
  7801. I stopped reading here. He said in his leaked notes he offered to pay Yak to work on FA full time. Obviously Yak declined. His notes clearly show he was offered free help, and one person even sent their real resume (with personal information on it!) to him. They were waived off and would be "contacted when needed" (They've been needed since FA was brought online). The "Find him help!" argument is no longer valid since now we have proof that he's getting offers but is ignoring them.
  7802. FurAffinity is a business. It's even incorporated in Pennsylvania. They have to abide by all the laws any other business has to. It needs to be run like a business and not the clusterfuck it currently is.
  7803. The simple fact of the matter is FurAffinity is not providing adequate security for it's users. That's it.
  7804. Reply to this post
  7805.                
  7806. fip
  7807.        
  7808. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:12 PM
  7809.          Data leaks and hacking are FA's fault.
  7810. The fact that the leaks contain extremely personal/sensitive information is the artist's fault.
  7811. Reply to this post
  7812.                
  7813. Mewtwo
  7814.        
  7815. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:34 AM
  7816.          Stupid question - when a deleted submission is restored, do the comments and pageviews go back with it?
  7817. Reply to this post
  7818.                
  7819. Asbreedas
  7820.        
  7821. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:29 AM
  7822.          No.
  7823. Reply to this post
  7824.                
  7825. Crovirus
  7826.        
  7827. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 10:37 AM
  7828.          Comments on the submission deleted, yes. Pageviews number on your page, no.
  7829. Reply to this post
  7830.                
  7831. WolfPupTK
  7832.        
  7833. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:38 AM
  7834.          It's a free site, anything I get beyond nothing is good to me. I'm not happy with the security issues this site has, but that's about it.
  7835. Regarding the rape thing... FA mods should NEVER EVER be expected to monitor and enforce the law. They're not the police. I have only the deepest sympathies for anyone who has been raped or experienced anything as traumatic as such, but the burden of making a decision on something like that is not on FA. They don't have the responsibility, position, experience, or right to make such judgments.
  7836. Reply to this post
  7837.                
  7838. AquaVixen
  7839.        
  7840. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:52 AM
  7841.          It's not that they're expected to act as police, but knowing someone's involvement in a felony and NOT reporting it, I'm fairly sure is a crime as well, and that's the real issue here.
  7842. Reply to this post
  7843.                
  7844. WolfPupTK
  7845.        
  7846. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 06:00 AM
  7847.          Well that's tricky then... what if then FA mods wrongly accuse someone of something and end up seriously harming that person's life in the process? There's just no way to be sure, IMO. I dunno... it's a really messy situation all around. :(
  7848. Reply to this post
  7849.                
  7850. AquaVixen
  7851.        
  7852. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 06:25 AM
  7853.          The responsible (and smart) thing to do would of been to advise them to seek assistance from someone authoritative in that situation, and remove themselves (Dragoneer) from the situation all together, and not get involved in it, in any way shape or form. The problem though, is that's not what happened here, and instead, Dragoneer decided to discuss it with them via notes and got all involved in the situation, and then the site got hacked and well... anyway.
  7854. Reply to this post
  7855.                
  7856. JqRaptor
  7857.        
  7858. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 06:35 AM
  7859.          About all he is required to do is advise him to go to the police. What do you expect Neer to do? Call his local police department and say 'This guy I know online says he got raped.' Unless the person who was raped goes to the police themselves, its pretty unlikely they can or will do anything about it; especially if they are in another state. If need happens to have all the contact info of him, name address, etc; they may send a message to the police in that area and have a officer go to his house and ask 'were you raped?' If they say no, that's the end of it. And that's still only if the police take him seriously and consider his story credible and not just 'something you read online.' But till the guy who was raped actually goes to the police HIMSELF or produce witness' who saw it happen through a window; they can't particularly do anything about it. It boils down to the responsibility of the guy who was raped, not dragoneer, to resolve the situation. Best neer can do is ban his FA account.
  7860. Reply to this post
  7861.                
  7862. iLOL
  7863.        
  7864. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:43 AM
  7865.         http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/...../mobiandog.jpg
  7866. Leak of a PM concerning dogfuckers and helping them out.
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  7869.                
  7870. AquaVixen
  7871.        
  7872. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:51 AM
  7873.          Most of us have already seen this posted by you in the other thread. It's not necessary to re-post a second time just to attempt to get more views on it.
  7874. Reply to this post
  7875.                
  7876. iLOL
  7877.        
  7878. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:59 AM
  7879.          Well, I'm just trying to put this here and there, given that most people really just burst out without, so it seems atleast, looking at much.
  7880. Anyhow, enough glorious wars on the torn battlefield of the cyberspace ( srs intrnt bsns).
  7881. Get the whole fucking leaks and enjoy.
  7882. Reply to this post
  7883.                
  7884. DamienHelvian
  7885.        
  7886. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:54 AM
  7887.          If you guys ever want help with security protocols, give me a buzz ;D
  7888. Reply to this post
  7889.                
  7890. Melfice
  7891.        
  7892. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 01:59 AM
  7893.          I have faith the problem will get fixed.
  7894. FA won't self-destruct
  7895. We've survived worse.
  7896. Reply to this post
  7897.                
  7898. X-Factor
  7899.        
  7900. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:34 AM
  7901.          Just out of pure curiosity, what has happened that was worse?
  7902. Reply to this post
  7903.                
  7904. Crovirus
  7905.        
  7906. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 10:45 AM
  7907.          Arcturus taking the site's database and holding it "hostage" couple of years back?
  7908. The one month long downtime way back in 2008?
  7909. Let's also not forget the outage in 2009.
  7910. Reply to this post
  7911.                
  7912. X-Factor
  7913.        
  7914. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 11:11 AM
  7915.          @__@ ...wow. When did the outage in 2009 occur? Because I've been here since Feb. 2009 and I don't really remember any really long downtime. But the whole hostage thing...DAMN! What was he holding it "hostage" for, a ransom of some sort?
  7916. Reply to this post
  7917.                
  7918. Crovirus
  7919.        
  7920. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 11:13 AM
  7921.          Can't remember exactly, all I know is that it the colo where the servers were suffered an outage. Site was offline for more than two weeks.
  7922. Reply to this post
  7923.                
  7924. Crovirus
  7925.        
  7926. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 11:15 AM
  7927.          Also regarding the site held hostage details, I dunno, can't seem to find it on Arc's ED but I know it was mentioned on forums once....he took the site's database/codebase and didn't want to return it until he was paid/unbanned/stuff like that, and wanted to use said database to make his own site, ArtPlz.
  7928. Reply to this post
  7929.                
  7930. X-Factor
  7931.        
  7932. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:02 PM
  7933.          Damn, sounds like FA's gone through some pretty rough stuff!  Glad to see that it's still here after all that happening.  
  7934. Reply to this post
  7935.                
  7936. Talosar
  7937.        
  7938. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:02 AM
  7939.          Thank you for your efforts in handling this.
  7940. Is there any way I can help? It seems like a daunting process.
  7941. Reply to this post
  7942.                
  7943. Talosar
  7944.        
  7945. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:04 AM
  7946.          (I'd note that I don't have any programming/coding/whatever skills - that's not the sort of help I can offer, unfortunately.)
  7947. Reply to this post
  7948.                
  7949. MeddlerInc
  7950.        
  7951. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:36 AM
  7952.         Popcorn! Something of this magnitude demands popcorn!
  7953. You know, for the drama this is showing. Seriously, this deserves an Oscar. Or a Darwin?
  7954. Reply to this post
  7955.                
  7956. iLOL
  7957.        
  7958. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 02:41 AM
  7959.          Visit my userpage to find the leaked PMs of neer if you wish to see other things that are definately not to your enjoyment, other than the zaush ordeal, the dogfuckery and other things already posted in the comments of these two journals.
  7960. kthxbai
  7961. Reply to this post
  7962.                
  7963. qwaszxq
  7964.        
  7965. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 03:16 AM
  7966.          I suspect half the people - if not more - who are saying "I've lost all respect for you, loser" are just saying it so they can feel all badass and not get in trouble for it.
  7967. WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE BEING JUDGMENTAL IN HERE.
  7968. Reply to this post
  7969.                
  7970. Gothhana
  7971.        
  7972. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:01 AM
  7973.          Good luck 'neer. i'm glad the site isn't down, and i'm glad it seems to be doing alright. I guess when things like this happen, it's an eye opener, and it could have happened to anyone, since i mean you weren't expecting it. Good luck with the fixes dude, i'm glad you've got a few people on it. Hope to see it all secure and stuff soon. i hope FA doesn't go down for good from this, i really like it here.
  7974.  
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  7976.                
  7977. Toraie
  7978.        
  7979. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 04:25 AM
  7980.          It's comment threads like these that bring out the users worth paying attention to...and the ones everyone should know to ignore.
  7981. It's really not about what opinion you have, but the presentation and subsequent support generally stem from that factor.
  7982.  
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  7984.                
  7985. pentax
  7986.        
  7987. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 06:26 AM
  7988.          Thankfully im so unimportant that the risk of it hitting me are small XD
  7989.  
  7990. Reply to this post
  7991.                
  7992. DemonFiren
  7993.        
  7994. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 06:35 AM
  7995.          Now, Mr D, I certainly DO hope you'll finally update your security.
  7996. Reply to this post
  7997.                
  7998. rexlaninetales
  7999.        
  8000. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 06:59 AM
  8001.          Dang ... So the hackers know that I was running a drug and nuclear weapons smuggling ring using the FA notes. I better warn my suppliers and clients about the potential disasters to come.
  8002. Reply to this post
  8003.                
  8004. SwiftWindSpirit
  8005.        
  8006. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:08 AM
  8007.          The only thing I can say to this is:
  8008. Maybe you shouldn't lie to your users who have proven or actually found a way to get around everything you put up.
  8009.  
  8010. It's kinda like a troll who knows they can't get caught because they are able to get away with it.
  8011.  
  8012. This made my morning when the biggest site in all of the fandom first lets a company take them by the throat and then has a hacker kick them between the legs at full force.
  8013.  
  8014. It's poetic justice and I hope you learned a valuable lesson about don't screw over your users because they can infect your site with a hack code.
  8015.  
  8016. I don't think AUP can ban a hacker or for that matter one who finally exposes how truly lame the note system here really is.
  8017. Reply to this post
  8018.                
  8019. Asbreedas
  8020.        
  8021. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:34 AM
  8022.          "I don't think AUP can ban a hacker".
  8023. No of course not. Dragoneer and the FA staff would never think twice to ban anyone for pretty much assfucking their site over.
  8024. Reply to this post
  8025.                
  8026. SwiftWindSpirit
  8027.        
  8028. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:59 AM
  8029.          Weren't you here for when they banned one of their own Evee for this exact thing he/she exposed?
  8030. It was quite epic to think a regular hacker is fine but a fellow mod is not.
  8031. Things to me are getting much clearer the more I find out about things here. We're probably going to lose Adam for something that's none of Neer's business to which he's proven how much of a douchebag he really is. What Adam allegedly did was wrong but what Neer did was worse.
  8032. Anyway,
  8033. Kinda makes you speechless when you see how truly corrupt and fucked up this site really is.
  8034. Reply to this post
  8035.                
  8036. Asbreedas
  8037.        
  8038. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 08:43 AM
  8039.          "Kinda makes you speechless when you see how truly corrupt and fucked up this site really is".
  8040. Well I agree with you that, I am rather displeased about how Dragoneer has dealt with both this security and the whole Adam Wan situation, because there is no excuse for that other than pure incompetence and ignorance on his part. That being said, I dont see why people keep bringing up this Adam situation, when at the moment the more important matter at hand is to keep the site up and running safely and efficiently. By all means its perfectly fine and acceptable to discuss the Adam situation, but please push it aside until at least site is working properly again.
  8041. However I still choose FA over both Inkbunny and SoFurry; mainly because I dont support a type of content that both sites host (and no I refuse to discuss it here, since we have enough drama here already). That and the fact that its site structure is far broken and non-user friendly than FA is.
  8042. Reply to this post
  8043.                
  8044. SwiftWindSpirit
  8045.        
  8046. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 09:32 AM
  8047.          part of it in fact all of it is on Neer because he does this all the time. Over on SoFurry they did this too and well you know what happened there.
  8048. What really has me amused is how much of a douchebag Neer was to the woman and the fact we could all read it if we wanted to because a hacker made it possible.
  8049. But regardless this would of still blown wide open because Neer breeds it himself. I see it, you see it because Neer is too robotic to do anything especially since Alertpay left him.
  8050. Now this and now like you said, more drama but this is a serious issue I am totally suprised Neer would have the balls to revel because rape in any form is not good to divulge to this public.
  8051. I think the bigger douchebag is Neer personally for first off making this public and embarrassing the woman who allegedly got attacked and then to follow it up by being a butt kissing loser to this woman.
  8052. I'm sorry but Adam's fans whoever they are should be more offended at Neer for doing what he did versus what Adam did.
  8053. I've seen WildWulf get banned because of what he did away from this, not on it.
  8054. I've seen little brick sucking trolls spam the crap out of him before he was banned while they should of been banned. I've had to take down pictures of me for this very same reason.
  8055. Right now Neer has spun a web of lies and now this which makes him a douchebag. The hack is one thing but this Adam thing is a can of worms which ain't his business.
  8056. The cops deal with creeps like Adam because that's what they are trained and paid to do, not Neer who is running a website.
  8057. Who really is the bigger douchebag? I think you're looking at him because he put this lady down and then spit it in her face with this.
  8058. If I was her I would be suing like a razor going through stubble. I feel real sorry for her that she has to live with this bullshit all started because of a clever hacker who knew the weakness in the system.
  8059. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Evee who made this possible just to put somemore drama that Neer himself opened.
  8060. The hack is hilarious but this other stuff is not, period the end. The joke is on Neer who went from a clueless ninny to a bully scratching douchebag who supports creeps allegedly like Adam.
  8061. I mean if he is indeed reading these I sure hope he has a good lawyer and common sense to know because what he did away from this will get him banned.
  8062. Anyway,
  8063. One thing I do not like is when I see victims of rape get bullied by losers like Neer who hide behind a journal to stir things up because he's no better then the rapists themselves.
  8064. Reply to this post
  8065.                
  8066. SwiftWindSpirit
  8067.        
  8068. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 09:43 AM
  8069.          Until I hear Adam's side of it if he is allowed to openly talk about it since Neer open this can of worms I think the bigger creep is Neer because we hear his side but not Adam's which is a form of one sided moronics.
  8070. Maybe we don't need to hear it because it might shock the shit out of us all or offend us to hell.
  8071. See what I'm saying? It's he said/she said versus the world without the other he said (Adam).
  8072. Reply to this post
  8073.                
  8074. Osoth
  8075.        
  8076. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:19 AM
  8077.          And everyone ignores the fact that aiding and abetting criminals is a punishable offense.
  8078. Reply to this post
  8079.                
  8080. Melfice
  8081.        
  8082. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:48 AM
  8083.          Except there's no aiding or abetting anything.
  8084. Reply to this post
  8085.                
  8086. Osoth
  8087.        
  8088. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:56 AM
  8089.          Telling a girl to cover up rape and telling someone there's a don't ask don't tell policy on animal abuse and zoophilia is aiding and abetting to the fucking -T-.
  8090. Get your head out of your ass and the taste of this idiot's shit out of your mouth.
  8091. Reply to this post
  8092.                
  8093. Melfice
  8094.        
  8095. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:59 AM
  8096.          Not enough evidence to call it rape. She wasn't physically forced into it.
  8097. As for "animal abuse" there's no proof. Even if Mobian said he was a zoophile that's not enough evidence. 'Neer just told him not to talk about it. Again, not enough evidence.
  8098. So your accusation falls flat.
  8099. Reply to this post
  8100.                
  8101. Osoth
  8102.        
  8103. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 08:06 AM
  8104.          Uh, number one: Rape doesn't have to be tying someone down, you chucklefuck.
  8105. (1)Duress, in which the victim may be subject to or threatened by overwhelming force or violence, and which may result in absence of objection to intercourse, leads to the presumption of lack of consent. Duress may be actual or threatened force or violence against the victim or somebody else close to the victim. Even blackmail may constitute duress.
  8106. Number two: Yes there is. There were pictures.
  8107. Reply to this post
  8108.                
  8109. Melfice
  8110.        
  8111. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 08:09 AM
  8112.          1) So why didn't she call the police as SOON as she was able? And why did she continue to see him on several occasions?
  8113. 2) Are we sure these pictures were of Mobian? What evidence is there of that?
  8114. Reply to this post
  8115.                
  8116. Osoth
  8117.        
  8118. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 08:14 AM
  8119.          1: DURESS. BLACKMAIL. STRESS. NO CONSENT. READ.
  8120. 2: I'm not going to post them here so I can get banned, but just look at the links in the leaked notes.
  8121. Reply to this post
  8122.                
  8123. Melfice
  8124.        
  8125. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 08:17 AM
  8126.          1) Only explains one instance. Doesn't explain the others. Or the lack of police contenting. Also, I didn't see duress. She /thought/ he might get violent. At no point did he threaten violence or duress/blackmail/etc. She could've easily said "Fuck off" and left.
  8127. 2) I've seen the links. The pictures don't tell me anything. I have NO way of knowing if the person in said pics is Mobian, besides someone's claim that it's him.
  8128. Reply to this post
  8129.                
  8130. Osoth
  8131.        
  8132. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 08:20 AM
  8133.          1: you've never been raped. Don't you fucking dare think that there's a process to all of this. Victims are too scared to go to the police and there was PLENTY of duress. This only proves you didn't read a god damn thing.
  8134. 2: Even if it -wasn't- him, there was still someone abusing a dog and Dragoneer still let them get away with it/attempted to hide it. That's -illegal.-
  8135. Reply to this post
  8136.                
  8137. Melfice
  8138.        
  8139. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 08:27 AM
  8140.          1) I love how if I don't immediately side with the victim and want to crucify the allegeded criminal, I'm an evil bastard. I'm just saying that her story alone isn't enough for anyone to make a judgment call, and 'Neer was right to warn her NOT to make a huge fuss on FA about it. What good would it have done?
  8141. 2) Uhhh...all 'Neer did was tell Mobian not to talk about his interest or risk causing a shitstorm, because people were looking for ANYTHING to say he actually does that stuff. There were allegations that was him in those photos. All 'Neer did was inform him of these accusations and that he needed to be careful. Nothing criminal.
  8142. Reply to this post
  8143.                
  8144. Crovirus
  8145.        
  8146. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 10:51 AM
  8147.          Talking about zoophilia on FA is a bannable offense. Instead of warning Mobian about people trying to gather shit about him and lay low, he should've banned him immediately.
  8148. Reply to this post
  8149.                
  8150. Visky
  8151.        
  8152. (Seriously...) Posted: December 19th, 2010 07:22 AM
  8153.          Dragoneer? Considering that you're still listed as a Member and not an Admin...it looks like things are still being actively hacked. If that's the case, you need to take steps to block this...whatever those steps may be, up to and including shutting down for a while.
  8154. It's kind of blatant that the current steps you're taking aren't doing enough...escalate the reactions to said hacking up a step to stop them.
  8155. Also...forums still down...um...sorry, it really shouldn't take all day to update software. Granted you can use the excuse of 'we're busy trying to stop hackers', but...
  8156. 2nd also...no updates anywhere on what's happening, what steps you're taking...nothing? Um...your userbase is worried and upset. You should make at least a token effort to keep them up to date. This tends to be good for keeping the user base happier/retaining said user base. I know it's not your standard method of doing things...what with your whole trying to keep everything under wraps, but...
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  8158.                
  8159. rp
  8160.        
  8161. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 09:17 AM
  8162.          Delurk. And sorry, I'm not sure if this is just making the problem worse.
  8163. Here are some names/filenames I picked from a thread on a certain imageboard.
  8164. These are only related to files already posted and not a list of all leaked notes.
  8165. Allan
  8166. TORA
  8167. Arcturus
  8168. Fisk
  8169. Betawolf_Notes
  8170. Zaush
  8171. AuroraBorelia
  8172. Chase
  8173. Chasevrocket
  8174. Clayton
  8175. Dragoneer
  8176. Pinkuh
  8177. Sciggles
  8178. Seux
  8179. SilverAutomatic
  8180. Synwolf
  8181. Tsawolf
  8182. Witchiebunny
  8183. Zaush
  8184. Pi nkuh
  8185. Sciggles
  8186. Silver_and_Aurora
  8187. If you have exchanged any personal notes with these users you may have a privacy
  8188. problem. And take this with a big grain of salt, I have not downloaded / verified anything.
  8189. What can I say,
  8190. Back to lurking.
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  8192.                
  8193. DragonLongRock
  8194.        
  8195. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 08:11 AM
  8196.          Wow, thats a lot of comments, anyway, when do you plan to have the site back up and running smoothly?
  8197. Reply to this post
  8198.                
  8199. Anonymless
  8200.        
  8201. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 12:19 PM
  8202.          So hey, did you guys ever do something about the Big List of FA Vulnerabilities that Eevee posted on his LJ some months ago? I recall it was pretty startlingly long, and he offered to help patch it all up if anyone cared enough to ask.
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  8204.                
  8205. Deko
  8206.        
  8207. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 03:03 PM
  8208.          *squeaky-hugs* ^'===='^
  8209. Reply to this post
  8210.                
  8211. Gaskarth
  8212.        
  8213. (No Subject) Posted: December 19th, 2010 06:00 PM
  8214.          Wait, so is/are the hacker(s) going to try and crash the site again?
  8215. If so, what sort of precautions should we take?
  8216. Dragoneer, like mostly everyone commented, you're the owner and you should protect this site, which you may be doing this minute.
  8217. I for one think you should pull the plug on this site, unless something like a worse-case scenario happens, dunno what..
  8218. I also think we should let the admins and Dragoneer do their jobs and protect this site from getting hacked again, so hopefully FA will finally quiet down about this...
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