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  2. ======================== Shifter Gaian Garou Leaders =========================
  3. Message: 63/15 Posted Author
  4. Kinmagi Eloise Thu Feb 09 Lydia
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  6. I have heard much about this kinmagi Eloise and how she is a force to be reckoned and worthy of respect. She says her mate is not garou. Is her mate a gaian shifter at all? What about the father of her children? I would like some clarification on Alim's crimes. Fire's Breath's questions are viable and currently making our sept leadership look rather foolish. If there is some atrocity, it needs to be made plain. As far as I can tell there are no crimes against the nation. Perhaps not maintaining good relationships with kinfolk. Is Alim using Cocaine or just making dumb jokes no one else thinks are funny? I am no lover of Alim as you all know but it seems this ado about Eloise is creating some breaking of faith in our elders. We need to clarify this if it is a serious issue. If it isnt, it doesnt need to he hashed out for all to see. I for one would like to know the specifics of this situation as well.
  7. As to Maple Park, it could have been handled better I think simply by forbidding the garou to drink. Perhaps we could have convinced her to hold it in a safer location. Instead we just shut out what could have been a strengthening of trust between kitsune and garou. Here was a fera reaching out to us in peace and we crushed it. I am aware of the considerations but I dont see any effort made to compromise here. Perhaps, because I was not privy to thr conversation. Right now our sept is looking rather foolish and I would like to understand why so that I can defend it's name.
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  10. ======================== Shifter Gaian Garou Leaders =========================
  11. Message: 63/16 Posted Author
  12. Re: Kinmagi Eloise Thu Feb 09 George
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  14. Let me try and break this down....
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  16. 1) Eloise's husband is kin to the black furies and her children are mixed blood between the Children of Gaia, the Shadow Lords and the Black Furies.
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  18. 2) As I explained in my response to Fire's-Breath, my list was accusations that Alim needs to answer for not things he's already been convicted of. Past that I decline to discuss it and if you wish to challenge me you have Elder Makarov's contact details
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  20. 3) I fully endorse the decision Elder Farshi made and how he and his mate handled the Maple Park situation in every particular. See above note about Elder Makarov's contact details.
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  22. 4) Saying our sept is being made to look foolish by others while you're acting outside your own sept and office? And your own departure from orthodoxy in breeding? Before plucking the splinter from your neighbor's eye, see to the beam in thine own.
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  27. ======================== Shifter Gaian Garou Leaders =========================
  28. Message: 63/17 Posted Author
  29. Re: Kinmagi Eloise Thu Feb 09 Journey
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  31. Let me see if I can clarify a few points without rehashing what George has covered.
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  33. If you wish to MEET Eloise and by extention, her mate, thereby getting to know the Kinfolk of your own Tribe, then I'm certain that can be arrainged. Eloise is always available to meet those of the Nations/
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  35. Bridging trust between Kitsune and Garou would be more apt if there were a group of Kitsune. There are not locally, there is just one. One Kitsune who refuses outright to understand the effects of Garou Rage, even when it's directly explained to her. Placing a large amount of Humans and Garou together is a bad idea and a risk of the Veil as well as the Humans health and sanity. Adding Alcohol to fan the flames, and a situation of competition where someone will win and someone will lose is putting the final spark on the powderkeg. <+rules the curse>
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  37. This was not a situation where explaining things would convey the needed strictness of keeping the Veil. No Garou were forbidden to 'Drink', they were forbidden from attending the event of the Maple Park cookout. If you wish to protest the order of an Elder, you, as an Athro have that right, but I suggest protesting an order that actually exists, and protesting it before the relevant event happens. An order was needed. A Kinfolk operative was on site at the event to make observation, and thankkfuly without the presence of Garou, there was no incident.
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  40. ======================== Shifter Gaian Garou Leaders =========================
  41. Message: 63/18 Posted Author
  42. Reply to Acting outside my Auspice Thu Feb 09 Lydia
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  44. Respectfully, I posted my concerns here instead of to the sept at large for thoughtful discussion. What purpose would a challenge serve when the deed is already done? Had I known of this beforehand I would have discussed it beforehand. However, I was busy aiding the Sept of the Bountiful Horn and did not learn of it until Moot. I am not afraid of anything under the sun but challenging you as you know would be a detriment to my honor as I am not an elder. My intent was to provoke a clarification and a discussion to avoid our looking foolish, instead I am told it is outside my office to speak. Very well. I submit to your wisdom, Mocks the Dark and thankyou Journey for the clarification.
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  48. Message: 63/19 Posted Author
  49. Re: All the things Thu Feb 09 Alecto
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  51. OOC: Normally, Alecto would not be silent on any of these points. However, since Eloise is my alt, I must refrain from comment on any of this ICly.
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  54. ======================== Shifter Gaian Garou Leaders =========================
  55. Message: 63/20 Posted Author
  56. Right to challenge Thu Feb 09 George
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  58. If you don't think it would do any good that's on you but the right to challenge extends one rank above and below within the bounds of just procedure. Did you not know this? I thought you were supposed to be teaching the sept's young.....
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  62. Message: 63/21 Posted Author
  63. Reply to George's Insults Thu Feb 09 Lydia
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  65. To challenge you over a barbecue would be foolish no matter what rank you are. If you wish to challenge me over my unorthodoxy in breeding I will accept happily. True love is rare. I found it. I am not afraid of you...not even slightly. Consider this my challenge if you cannot bring yourself to decry my happy family directly and challenge me yourself. You didnt when it was known. If you want to fight over something, pick my family. It will work every time.
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  69. Message: 63/22 Posted Author
  70. Process clarification Thu Feb 09 George
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  72. For it to be done justly and properly you need to take your grievance to Elder Marakov, the Master of the Challenge. Did you not know that either?
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  75. ======================== Shifter Gaian Garou Leaders =========================
  76. Message: 63/23 Posted Author
  77. Challenge Thu Feb 09 Lydia
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  79. Giggle and jeer as you wish, pain and humiliation are in your immediate future.
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  82. ======================== Shifter Gaian Garou Leaders =========================
  83. Message: 63/24 Posted Author
  84. Re- Challenge Thu Feb 09 George
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  86. I had assumed you had Elder Marakov's contact information so you could pettion him. Do you need that clarified as well?
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  89. ======================== Shifter Gaian Garou Leaders =========================
  90. Message: 63/25 Posted Author
  91. Challenge Sat Feb 11 Yuri
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  93. It appears obvious that this can not be resolved via discussion and a challenge is in order. As the challenged party, Mocks-the-Dark has the right to choose the form, place, and time of the challenge. My one stipulation is that two un-involved parties attend the challenge. I expect everyone involved to make this a fair challenge.
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  95. OOC: I've been out a lot for work, and am sorry for the asynchronosity of this communication.
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