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  1. 15:28:54 < luke-jr> what's the connection between pentoo and neopwn?
  2. 15:29:09 < luke-jr> I noticed neopwn is pirating Linux code
  3. 15:29:16 < jbest> luke-jr: how so?
  4. 15:29:24 < hiexpo> ya
  5. 15:29:30 < luke-jr> jbest: they are distributing a modified Linux w/o source
  6. 15:29:46 < aricon> hi
  7. 15:30:03 < jbest> it runs on top of maemo in a chroot, and as far as i know the code for maemo is available
  8. 15:30:42 < Appleman1234> Hi
  9. 15:30:54 < jbest> luke-jr: does that answer your question?
  10. 15:31:04 < jbest> hey aricon, Appleman1234
  11. 15:31:12 < luke-jr> http://www.neopwn.com/store.php : "Those that choose to support this (...) will personally receive (...) a binary patched,
  12.                     injection driver for wl1251 (...) The driver patches will be released as soon as the goal is met for  covering the expenses
  13.                     for the development, which totals 1350 EUR." <- I think this is now a case for gpl-violations.org.
  14. 15:31:22 < luke-jr> "
  15. 15:31:40 < Zero_Chaos> luke-jr: that binary patched driver is not based on the kernel driver so you are mistaken.
  16. 15:32:01 < jbest> luke-jr: you don't need to modify the kernel to write a driver.
  17. 15:32:06 < hiexpo> thats a violation asking for specific monies
  18. 15:32:15 < aricon> no its not
  19. 15:32:16 < luke-jr> Zero_Chaos: it is
  20. 15:32:20 < luke-jr> jbest: you do on Linux
  21. 15:32:21 < jbest> if he wrote it, then why can't he ask for money
  22. 15:32:28 < jbest> luke-jr: i do what on linux
  23. 15:32:38 < luke-jr> you cannot make a Linux driver without deriving from Linux
  24. 15:32:43 < aricon> um
  25. 15:32:46 < luke-jr> except for 100% userspace drivers
  26. 15:32:47 < hiexpo> oops i was wrong on that
  27. 15:32:50 < jbest> luke-jr: that's completely untrue
  28. 15:32:53 < Zero_Chaos> luke-jr: you are mistaken. he didn't modify gpl code and as such he is no required to release it
  29. 15:32:56 < aricon> you don't know what the fuck you are talking about
  30. 15:33:00 < Zero_Chaos> luke-jr: sorry about your luck
  31. 15:33:02 < luke-jr> Zero_Chaos: he derived from Linux
  32. 15:33:18 < jbest> luke-jr: he ADDED to a distribution. he didn't modify anything
  33. 15:33:25 < luke-jr> jbest: adding is deriving
  34. 15:33:36 < jbest> no, it's not
  35. 15:33:39 < aricon> so sue him
  36. 15:33:42 < luke-jr> it's not an independent work
  37. 15:33:49 < luke-jr> aricon: I would, but I don't hold enough copyright on Linux
  38. 15:34:03 < luke-jr> and probably none on the directly infringed code
  39. 15:34:12 < aricon> heh
  40. 15:34:18 < jbest> luke-jr: so submit it to whatever website you mentioned and waste a bunch of people's time
  41. 15:34:24 < aricon> yep
  42. 15:34:25 < jbest> this isn't ##software-patents
  43. 15:34:26 < luke-jr> also, I note the quoted site says *patched* *wl1251*
  44. 15:34:35 < Zero_Chaos> luke-jr: you can sue whoever you want, but you will lose, and I'll no longer entertain you unless you can provide
  45.                        credentials that show you graudated law school or at least work for the eff
  46. 15:34:38 < luke-jr> which certainly implies it is based on the existing driver, clearly GPL
  47. 15:35:00 < Zero_Chaos> luke-jr: it is NOT based on a GPL driver, I know this for a fact. period.
  48. 15:35:24 < aricon> bah
  49. 15:35:57 < hiexpo> i think that means kick rocks
  50. 15:36:54 < luke-jr> Zero_Chaos: either way, it's infringing. just a question of which copyright holders have grounds to sue.
  51. 15:36:57 < hiexpo> or maybe chew gum
  52. 15:37:36 < Zero_Chaos> luke-jr: you are mistaken, I has discussed this with him at length and not only is he privately funding development and
  53.                        planning to release it, but he is not violating any licenses in doing so.
  54. 15:37:42 < Appleman1234> wow
  55. 15:37:56 < jbest> protip: not everything is copywritten or licensed under gpl
  56. 15:38:02 < Zero_Chaos> luke-jr: if you want to sue someone do it, but I won't entertain you here any longer
  57. 15:38:13 < luke-jr> Zero_Chaos: I have no problem with what he's doing in principle, but it *is* infringing.
  58. 15:38:16 < luke-jr> it's a weakness in the GPL
  59. 15:38:24 < luke-jr> jbest: Linux is
  60. 15:38:39 < jbest> luke-jr: but not everything that runs on linux is, including drivers
  61. 15:38:47 -!- mode/#pentoo [+o Zero_Chaos] by ChanServ
  62. 15:38:51 < jbest> thank god
  63. 15:38:53 -!- mode/#pentoo [+b *!*luke-jr@2002:62b3:1d4c:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:*] by Zero_Chaos
  64. 15:38:53 -!- luke-jr was kicked from #pentoo by Zero_Chaos [come back with a law degree]
  65. 15:39:05 <@Zero_Chaos> what a tard
  66. 15:39:10 < jbest> lol seriously
  67. 15:39:27 < DaKahuna> wtf did any of that have to do with Pentoo?
  68. 15:39:28 < hiexpo> i think he is chewing gum and kicking rocks now
  69. 15:39:39 < Appleman1234> Zero_Chaos, he obviously didn't read the neopwn site
  70. 15:39:44 < Appleman1234> DaKahuna, nothing at all
  71. 15:39:47 < hiexpo> i don'tknow lost me
  72. 15:40:00 < Appleman1234> he asked a pentoo related question then went off on a tangent
  73. 15:40:18 <@Zero_Chaos> yeah he is a tard
  74. 15:41:06 < jbest> his pentoo question was "how are pentoo and neopwn related"
  75. 15:41:09 < jbest> z_z
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