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[16:37] <theZetoranian> What jobs do we need?
[16:38] <theZetoranian> That's the question.
[16:38] <Dymondx> Ah
[16:38] <RavernousPenguin> hmm
[16:38] <Dymondx> Well of course we need coders
[16:38] <Dymondx> And modd designs
[16:38] <theZetoranian> Let's just list them off (in an orderly fashion)
[16:38] <Dymondx> And server hosts
[16:38] <Dymondx> But
[16:38] <RavernousPenguin> somone who can get coders in,
[16:38] <Dymondx> We wont need them until later phases
[16:38] <TheWalrusEffect> Right now? Bukkit Devs.
[16:38] <RavernousPenguin> graphics (in game textures)
[16:39] <TheWalrusEffect> Textures aren't important yet.
[16:39] <RavernousPenguin> I suppose
[16:39] <Dymondx> For mainly phase 1 and 2
[16:39] <RavernousPenguin> we need people to conduct research
[16:39] <Dymondx> We should think about
[16:39] <Dymondx> These can be people
[16:39] <Dymondx> Who cant code well or arent devs
[16:39] <theZetoranian> I guess I thought everyone would do research.
[16:39] <Dymondx> So people who have ideas
[16:40] <Dymondx> Yes basically
[16:40] <TheWalrusEffect> Pretty much we need Bukkit Devs, a tests server, and our general community to vote on fundamental mechanics.
[16:40] <RavernousPenguin> yeah, well most of us probably like history, so I think people would enjoy the research
[16:40] <Dymondx> Yes
[16:40] <RavernousPenguin> should we set ups poles
[16:40] <Dymondx> We also need someone to control all the idea
[16:40] <RavernousPenguin> for big deciousons
[16:40] <Dymondx> I think so
[16:41] <RavernousPenguin> what else
[16:41] <theZetoranian> Okay, we need a server host, Bukkit developers, organizers (like myself), website coders/managers, what else?
[16:41] <Dymondx> Well we need people to manage others
[16:41] <Rustywolf> I heard someone say bukkit dev?
[16:41] <Rustywolf> ^^
[16:41] <theZetoranian> :D
[16:42] <Psudo-Qyv> <let the record show that I've made a pastebin containing the log from about 5 hours ago until the double line theZetoranian  posted
[16:42] <Dymondx> Well thats good
[16:42] <theZetoranian> Cool!
[16:42] <RavernousPenguin> okay good
[16:42] <TheWalrusEffect> Woah now.
[16:42] <Dymondx> Good
[16:42] <Zecon365> noice
[16:42] <TheWalrusEffect> Is this a list of people we need overall or people we need now?
[16:42] <theZetoranian> So community managers
[16:42] <theZetoranian> Overall.
[16:42] <Dymondx> Yes
[16:42] <theZetoranian> lol dymond
[16:42] <Dymondx> :P
[16:43] <RavernousPenguin> someone to give out the jobs tell people what to research ect
[16:43] <Zecon365> Who's going to do the Phase 1 post once I'm done going through everything-everything?
[16:43] <theZetoranian> Because if we're going to do this, we're going to do this right. :)
[16:43] <theZetoranian> I will, silly
[16:43] <theZetoranian> I thought I already said that xD
[16:43] <Dymondx> Basicallly we also need manages for all the jobs
[16:43] <Zecon365> Alright
[16:43] <Dymondx> managers*
[16:43] <Zecon365> There's some stuff in the Skype chat you might need to add in there
[16:44] <TheWalrusEffect> Skype chat?
[16:44] <Rustywolf> Yeah, what skype chat?>
[16:44] <Zecon365> http://pastebin.com/rcmsr7MB
[16:44] <TheWalrusEffect> And hold up.
[16:44] <RavernousPenguin> oh
[16:44] <TheWalrusEffect> Having managers for jobs is a bad idea
[16:44] <Dymondx> Ok then
[16:44] <Zecon365> how come
[16:44] <Dymondx> Explain
[16:44] <RavernousPenguin> the people who joined the server to test the map (zeocn dymond myself) made a skype chat
[16:44] <Zecon365> there was some other people too
[16:44] <Zecon365> i think
[16:45] <RavernousPenguin> yeah, they didnt join the chat, sorry should have been clearer
[16:45] <theZetoranian> I agree with Walrus -- the "job managers" will have literally nothing to do, and by telling everyone how to work, it'll be harder to get anything done.
[16:45] <TheWalrusEffect> It'll lead to unnecessary conflict. People can do there jobs without a boss.
[16:45] <Dymondx> Ok sure
[16:45] <Dymondx> I understand that
[16:45] <Dymondx> And I agree
[16:45] <theZetoranian> Right. Unlike a REAL job, we seriously care about this project, and we'll all do our part.
[16:45] <Dymondx> Great then
[16:45] <theZetoranian> We don' need no boss, yo.
[16:46] <Dymondx> :P
[16:46] <theZetoranian> :P
[16:46] <RavernousPenguin> what will we do about people who dont really do anything, just sit and wait for it to be done?
[16:46] <theZetoranian> And Zecon, could you maybe tell me what I need from that Skype conversation? I don't know if I can read all that and process it thoroughly.
[16:46] <Dymondx> Yeah like researchers?
[16:46] <Zecon365> We're all decentralized and we all are a part of the plan
[16:46] <Zecon365> Is that what you're saying?
[16:46] <Zecon365> And yeah hold on
[16:46] <theZetoranian> that's a good question, RavernousPenguin...
[16:47] <theZetoranian> thanks Zecon :)
[16:47] <TheWalrusEffect> If you aren't helping and are just in the way, we will hold you responsible and will get rid of you if need be
[16:47] <theZetoranian> lol
[16:47] <Dymondx> D:
[16:47] <theZetoranian> But I think there can be *something* those people can do.
[16:47] * Psudo-Qyv reaches into a bag
[16:47] <Dymondx> But me no good at coding for later on
[16:47] <RavernousPenguin> so maybe only people who helped, get to join the server straight away
[16:47] <theZetoranian> That's a good idea.
[16:47] <Psudo-Qyv> "Get rid of them you say?"
[16:47] <theZetoranian> Strict, but I like it.
[16:47] <Zecon365> That's sort of why I put "extraneous things that will help contribute to the project*
[16:47] <theZetoranian> lol Qyv
[16:47] <Dymondx> Yeah I understand
[16:48] <Zecon365> If you want to stay and help you have to make yourself useful
[16:48] <RavernousPenguin> no dead weight basically xD
[16:48] <Zecon365> I'll certainly try and do my best
[16:48] <theZetoranian> Alrighty then
[16:48] <Dymondx> But people who helped somehow to start
[16:48] <theZetoranian> I'm almost ready to write this post.
[16:48] <Zecon365> We could have learning groups too so yeah
[16:48] <TheWalrusEffect> I mean if they're just in the way. People who can't help,
[16:48] <Dymondx> Should be allowed on the server first
[16:48] <TheWalrusEffect> Or at least put forth an effort in okay with.
[16:48] <TheWalrusEffect> Im*
[16:49] <theZetoranian> Also, we MAY end up needing extra manpower for certain jobs, so we could always employ those who have no "job".
[16:49] <Dymondx> Oh phew
[16:49] <RavernousPenguin> I think we will need a lot of people confident in coding, to get this up quickly
[16:49] <RavernousPenguin> or even up at all
[16:49] <RavernousPenguin> so maybe we could ask on otehr reddits?
[16:49] <Dymondx> Maybe
[16:50] <Dymondx> Or see if anyone in the close community right now knows anyone else
[16:50] <Dymondx> Because we dont want to branch out too much
[16:50] <Dymondx> And bring in more deadweght
[16:50] <Psudo-Qyv> Is anyone planning on staying on for at least another  2 hours? I'm going to be headed home in a few so if someone can log everything while I'm gone that'd be great
[16:50] == Psudo-Qyv has changed nick to Qyv
[16:50] <RavernousPenguin> out of the 20 ish people who subscibre to dawn of minecraft, roughly how many are coders?
[16:51] <TheWalrusEffect> We m
[16:51] <TheWalrusEffect> Stupid phone
[16:51] <Dymondx> Im not sure
[16:51] <Dymondx> Check the threads
[16:51] <Qyv> I've some coding experience, none with plugins though and not anything extremely recent - mostly in java
[16:51] <Dymondx> I think there was one for people who wanted to be coders
[16:51] <Dymondx> Brb
[16:51] <TheWalrusEffect> We might have 1 or 2 people with actual experience in Java or Bukkit
[16:51] <RavernousPenguin> I coded for maybe a week xD so dont count on me, I can try learn though
[16:52] <TheWalrusEffect> I'm a web dev, so my experience is useless, but I've muddled with Java before.
[16:52] <Zecon365> You could design the website Walrus
[16:52] <theZetoranian> Yeah!
[16:52] <Zecon365> We can also make a coding learning group
[16:52] <theZetoranian> Seems like Qyv and Walrus would be great at handling the website.
[16:52] <Zecon365> Share our knowledge and help each other out
[16:52] <Qyv> Come on, give us the next facebook baby :P
[16:52] <TheWalrusEffect> Website isn't important at the moment. :P
[16:52] <RavernousPenguin> I think we have a few people who are decent at graphics , so that shouldnt be a problem
[16:52] <Zecon365> We'll also have the experts in there to help us also
[16:53] <theZetoranian> So I'll be back shortly, guys. Please please please don't post anything without me (unless it's to Zecon's originial post).
[16:53] <RavernousPenguin> im not too sure, but I dont think MC is too hard to code mods for
[16:53] <Zecon365> I think it's for the best
[16:53] <theZetoranian> I'll see you in about half an hour.
[16:53] <RavernousPenguin> making new ores and tools
[16:53] <RavernousPenguin> cya
[16:53] <Zecon365> Oh are we going into mods?
[16:53] <RavernousPenguin> but you cant have custom ores on bukkit or blocks?
[16:53] <Qyv> Forge may take a while for 1.8 though.. if we wanted to wait for 1.8
[16:53] <TheWalrusEffect> I'm a hipster, so websites, graphics, and shit like that are my speciality. But I have played with other languages before.
[16:54] <Zecon365> Hmm
[16:54] <RavernousPenguin> are we 100% sure on bukkit over a mod pack?
[16:54] <Zecon365> Yeah
[16:54] <Zecon365> It seems we're still not decided
[16:54] <Zecon365> People say Bukkit is good because it's accessible
[16:55] <Zecon365> But we can't do nearly as much as we could with mods
[16:55] <Zecon365> But mods is less accessible and takes more work
[16:55] <RavernousPenguin> I think a mod pack would allow us more customisation and would be better, but a lot more work
[16:55] <TheWalrusEffect> Mods would limit our player base substantially.
[16:55] <theZetoranian> Wait wait wait...
[16:55] <theZetoranian> I just realized something...
[16:55] <RavernousPenguin> yeah?
[16:55] <Zecon365> Yeah?
[16:55] <Qyv> I don't think mods would be harder then plugins. But it would limit playerbase
[16:55] <theZetoranian> Wouldn't it be easier to brainstorm and research BEFORE we decide on jobs??
[16:55] <Zecon365> Yes
[16:56] <theZetoranian> :o
[16:56] <RavernousPenguin> I suppose
[16:56] <theZetoranian> So...
[16:56] <Zecon365> I was going to put that in the plan
[16:56] <theZetoranian> Uh...
[16:56] <TheWalrusEffect> People would need to install the mods themselves, and they'd have to get them working, which is surprisingly difficult for the general public
[16:56] <theZetoranian> Oh, okay.
[16:56] <RavernousPenguin> then the jobs could be relative to the research and idea
[16:56] <Zecon365> We all take up our research topics and we decide the specifics in the Conception phase
[16:56] <Qyv> My log ends here --------------------------------------------I'm heading home, I'll try to get back on irc as soon as I can