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Ban evaders and lurk bans

a guest May 17th, 2015 18 Never
  1. Ban evaders and lurk bans
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  3. [13:29:22] <ALTERNATIVE> there's "ban theory" in general too that's been in consistant discussion
  4. [13:29:33] <swaglord> I'll also try to be more careful
  5. [13:29:38] *** swaglord is now known as StarFrog
  6. [13:29:44] <ALTERNATIVE> thats cool, I appreciate it
  7. [13:29:54] <StarFrog> What is the Ban Theory?
  8. [13:29:57] <ALTERNATIVE> now I really need to play dreamcast because it is 9/9
  9. [13:30:22] <ALTERNATIVE> just talking about bans in general, how they work, don't work, how they work on other sites, ways to improve shit
  10. [13:30:28] <FnFyZpXv> https://boards.4chan.org/co/thread/65401237#p65402826 top kek
  11. [13:30:49] <FnFyZpXv> For sure 4chan is a whole different beast from all the other sites
  12. [13:31:05] <StarFrog> I brought dreamcast to work again today, playing Space Channel 5 right now.
  13. [13:31:06] <FnFyZpXv> I guess bans are more symbolic than anything here
  14. [13:31:11] <ALTERNATIVE> yeah it's been an ongoing discussion for uhh
  15. [13:31:13] <ALTERNATIVE> a decade
  16. [13:31:17] <StarFrog> wow
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  18. [13:31:47] <ALTERNATIVE> this isnt like, systems or anything, just talking in general about how THE INTERNET WORKS
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  21. [13:31:57] <Troid> lurk ban
  22. [13:32:01] <Troid> problems: solved
  23. [13:32:07] <ALTERNATIVE> I want hellbans
  24. [13:32:08] <Troid> but against the spirit of 4chan
  25. [13:32:13] <FnFyZpXv> What's a hellban?
  26. [13:32:19] <ALTERNATIVE> you can see your own posts but nobody else can
  27. [13:32:24] <FnFyZpXv> Ohh
  28. [13:32:26] <LingeringParticles> haha
  29. [13:32:27] <FnFyZpXv> The shadowban
  30. [13:32:39] <FnFyZpXv> You don't know you're banned but nobody can see your posts
  31. [13:32:40] <ALTERNATIVE> it was called hell ban on SA
  32. [13:32:55] <FnFyZpXv> I've heard a lot of people talking about it recently on the site
  33. [13:32:59] <ALTERNATIVE> really
  34. [13:33:06] <ALTERNATIVE> I talked about it a few times years and years ago
  35. [13:33:15] <ALTERNATIVE> it's not a thing
  36. [13:33:17] <ALTERNATIVE> on 4chan
  37. [13:33:23] <TheBurnWard> Its a good idea but shitters will just look at the archives and if it doesn't show up they evade.
  38. [13:33:30] <TheBurnWard> I mean its one more step they have to take, which i'm all for.
  39. [13:33:33] <Troid> the worst evaders switch IPs/clear cookies constantly
  40. [13:33:43] <Troid> it might help with your "standard evader" I guess
  41. [13:33:46] <ALTERNATIVE> I like the people who tell them to clear cache and cookies
  42. [13:33:49] <ALTERNATIVE> like it will do anything
  43. [13:33:53] <FnFyZpXv> Yeah, it wouldn't stop a lot of people but it would still help
  44. [13:34:09] <FnFyZpXv> and there's no way you can get completely rid of people like bui
  45. [13:34:09] <Troid> well it probably would if you were hellbanning
  46. [13:34:18] <Troid> FnFyZpXv: sure there is, find him and kill him
  47. [13:34:22] <FnFyZpXv> Hahaha
  48. [13:34:23] <Troid> I've been advocating this for a long time
  49. [13:34:27] <FnFyZpXv> Well legally I mean
  50. [13:34:48] <FnFyZpXv> I'm all for finding the marveldrone troll and drown him in his own piss
  51. [13:35:14] <FnFyZpXv> Or make a crowfunding initiative
  52. [13:35:17] <FnFyZpXv> Or a kickstarter
  53. [13:35:20] <ALTERNATIVE> troid missed his evader coming back
  54. [13:35:24] <FnFyZpXv> With the most wanted ban evaders
  55. [13:35:28] <ALTERNATIVE> now he'll never get to see the great post
  56. [13:35:33] <Troid> t-the tab icon didn't change
  57. [13:35:33] <StarFrog> Do what GTA did, anyone who was banned has to go to 4chan-2 where only people banned can post
  58. [13:35:36] <FnFyZpXv> You pay people for kill them, problem solved
  59. [13:35:45] <Troid> >Holy fuck, mod. You are autistic as fucking hell. Do you assume everyone you don't like is ban evading?
  60. [13:35:57] <KusKus> such great posts dave
  61. [13:36:06] <Troid> someone should tell him to go to #4chan again
  62. [13:36:08] <ALTERNATIVE> its time I reveal the secret
  63. [13:36:10] <Troid> that distracted him for a while last time
  64. [13:36:13] <ALTERNATIVE> I am every ban-evading user on 4chan
  65. [13:36:14] <FnFyZpXv> Can someone check my BRs?
  66. [13:36:14] <ALTERNATIVE> they're all me
  67. [13:36:22] <KusKus> Finally the truth comes out
  68. [13:36:22] <FnFyZpXv> This is the third time I BR a guy
  69. [13:36:27] <ALTERNATIVE> what board
  70. [13:36:31] <FnFyZpXv>  co/
  71. [13:36:36] <KusKus> Dave has revealed all, you know longer see through the veil
  72. [13:36:39] <FnFyZpXv> First for 3, then for complaining, then for 3 again
  73. [13:36:56] <Troid> I forget what mewt said about lurk bans. probably something like it's within the realm of possibility, but he wants to find another solution.
  74. [13:37:06] <Troid> I'm all for em personally
  75. [13:37:07] <ALTERNATIVE> I dont know what you mean by lurk bans
  76. [13:37:12] <KusKus> what's a lurk ban
  77. [13:37:15] <Troid> new IPs have to wait X hours before posting
  78. [13:37:22] <ALTERNATIVE> oh yeah
  79. [13:37:25] <ALTERNATIVE> not a fan
  80. [13:37:29] <KusKus> Why can we not do that?
  81. [13:37:29] <Troid> and you can cookie it so dynamic users don't have to keep waiting
  82. [13:37:49] <FnFyZpXv> It's an entertaining idea
  83. [13:37:50] <ALTERNATIVE> no barrier to entry is a nice thing
  84. [13:38:11] <Troid> yeah it's a barrier to entry thing. not wanting to take away that very 4chan thing just to stop evaders.
  85. [13:38:39] <Troid> it would pretty much stop ban evasion and put a dent in spambots etc. though
  86. [13:39:07] <FnFyZpXv> It would not be ideal for people with dynamic IPs though
  87. [13:39:14] <ALTERNATIVE> troid missed him again
  88. [13:39:22] <Troid> I saw it that time
  89. [13:39:26] <ALTERNATIVE> UH HUH
  90. [13:39:37] <KusKus> tricky tricky
  91. [13:39:42] <ALTERNATIVE> I reverse my opinion on the first person who didn't look like him
  92. [13:39:44] <Troid> FnFyZpXv: yeah I can't think of a good solution for dynamic IPs except for cookies
  93. [13:39:52] <Troid> but I mean 4chan Passes work fine
  94. [13:39:54] <ALTERNATIVE> because this one looked like that one
  95. [13:40:00] <FnFyZpXv> But cookies are intrusive
  96. [13:40:02] <Troid> and they also rely on cookies for IP changes
  97. [13:40:09] <Troid> 4chan already uses cookies lol
  98. [13:40:19] <Troid> some people just don't like them, for them it would be an issue
  99. [13:40:31] <Troid> also it would ruin mobile posting I guess
  100. [13:40:42] <ALTERNATIVE> the cookies arent used for anything other than storing your name, options, and for deleting your posts
  101. [13:40:52] <FnFyZpXv> Yeah, that'd be the biggest issue, but then again, I wonder if people realize that mods can see their IPs
  102. [13:40:54] <Troid> there are certainly downsides. but imo it's the most effective, least damaging solution to ban evasion at the moment.
  103. [13:41:45] <FnFyZpXv> They already complain so much about 4chan, I wouldn't want to imagine how many new ways of shitposting they would pull out of a cookie thing
  104. [13:42:21] <Troid> there will always be the good old fashioned way: as VCR put it, "out-autism them."
  105. [13:42:38] <Troid> hahahah holy shit
  106. [13:42:42] <Troid> https://boards.4chan.org/u/thread/1595938#p1597723
  107. [13:42:51] <ALTERNATIVE> it's already gone
  108. [13:43:07] <FnFyZpXv> Yeah, right now ban evaders are the biggest source of artificial autism in janitors
  109. [13:43:12] <ALTERNATIVE> I don't understand what he meant by that post
  110. [13:43:23] <Troid> he is explaining how to use your words
  111. [13:43:30] <Troid> he probably thinks you're one of the people he's arguing with
  112. [13:43:38] <ALTERNATIVE> oh well he's dumb then
  113. [13:43:45] <Troid> everyone who disagrees is the janitor, etc.
  114. [13:43:50] <ALTERNATIVE> I don't even browse /u/ as a regular user
  115. [13:43:56] <ALTERNATIVE> because gays are evil
  116. [13:43:57] <Troid> our loss
  117. [13:43:58] <ALTERNATIVE> just kidding
  118. [13:44:24] <KusKus> VCR_Working is right
  119. [13:44:31] <KusKus> you must out tism them
  120. [13:44:38] <ALTERNATIVE> everything is autism
  121. [13:44:47] <ALTERNATIVE> such a popular thing to say
  122. [13:44:56] <Troid> I remember when people used to call everything "OCR" and it was really annoying
  123. [13:44:58] <FnFyZpXv> What will next year's buzzword be?
  124. [13:44:59] <butterfingers> Yeah, right now ban evaders are the biggest source of artificial autism in janitors <<<< I don't read my favorite ban evader's tumblr at all. I would never do that.
  125. [13:45:01] <Troid> now it's been superseded by "autistic"
  126. [13:45:05] <Troid> *OCD
  127. [13:45:09] <Troid> not OCR lol
  128. [13:45:15] <KusKus> It is more OCD
  129. [13:45:23] <ALTERNATIVE> lol janitor has overclocked-remix
  130. [13:45:36] <KusKus> wubwubwub
  131. [13:45:56] <KusKus> jani is cat
  132. [13:46:05] <Troid> janny look like pangolin
  133. [13:46:08] <ALTERNATIVE> I never got that joke
  134. [13:46:24] <FnFyZpXv> butterfingers, I am making a chart of a spammer's usual apparitions on excel. Hopefully I'll be able to predict when he shows up if i keep at it
  135. [13:46:25] <KusKus> Pretty sure it's just /jp/ shitposting
  136. [13:46:42] <Troid> there have been people who do the opposite, FnFyZpXv
  137. [13:46:50] <Troid> think they've mapped out when a janitor is online etc.
  138. [13:46:58] <KusKus> like for free dave
  139. [13:47:00] <FnFyZpXv> Ah yeah, /frz/ used to think that for me
  140. [13:47:23] <FnFyZpXv> They thought I lived in merica because of my absurd life
  141. [13:47:32] <Troid> some nutjob on /q/ made dozens of threads going on about how when the janitor was on everything was shit but then at other times "the mod" would be on and it was great
  142. [13:47:33] <ALTERNATIVE> that was one of the few things /sp/ has come up with that I actually find funny
  143. [13:47:41] <KusKus> I find it funny too
  144. [13:47:50] <Troid> on /sci/, taht is
  145. [13:47:52] <FnFyZpXv> Yeah, they think there's only one janitor
  146. [13:47:58] <FnFyZpXv> Or sometimes only one mod per board
  147. [13:48:10] <ALTERNATIVE> it helps to remember that it requires much more effort to evade a ban than it does to place a ban
  148. [13:48:15] <FnFyZpXv> Earlier today somebody was saying that the /co/ mod was angry because /sp/ was shitposting about him
  149. [13:48:23] <KusKus> It does
  150. [13:48:25] <FnFyZpXv> But he couldn't do anything because he has no power on /sp/
  151. [13:48:25] <Troid> lol why is he ranting about proxies
  152. [13:48:29] <KusKus> I think about them resetting
  153. [13:48:36] <KusKus> Whatever method they use
  154. [13:48:40] <ALTERNATIVE> because I'm using 'ban evasion' except for one of them where I used 'proxy'
  155. [13:48:41] <KusKus> And I chuckle to myself
  156. [13:48:43] <ALTERNATIVE> I guess
  157. [13:48:48] <ALTERNATIVE> I guess they think I type it out each time
  158. [13:48:55] <Troid> oh well
  159. [13:48:55] <ALTERNATIVE> instead of pressing one button on the keyboard
  160. [13:48:56] <Troid> you know
  161. [13:49:10] <Troid> execute:function(ban_user){user is using a proxy}
  162. [13:49:12] <Troid> and all that
  163. [13:49:26] <ALTERNATIVE> ?
  164. [13:49:37] <Troid> just joking. like mods are 1337 hackers typing code into a terminal
  165. [13:49:42] <ALTERNATIVE> ohhhh
  166. [13:49:53] <ALTERNATIVE> I tried to play hacker revolution but it's not fun
  167. [13:50:07] <FnFyZpXv> more like they're fat manchildren pissing in bottles while trying to stop people from having fun
  168. [13:50:09] <ALTERNATIVE> I really liked uplink and have been trying to find something that feels like it
  169. [13:50:12] <KusKus> I want to get a ps4
  170. [13:50:15] <KusKus> sooooo bad
  171. [13:50:17] <KusKus> oh my god
  172. [13:50:18] <WalterWhite> why kuskus
  173. [13:50:22] <KusKus> Destiny
  174. [13:50:25] <WalterWhite> lel
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