[2013-01-19 15:01:24] <dragonuser> ok so to start the workshop off does anyone have a team they want us to rate
[2013-01-19 15:01:31] <Jirachee> dragonuser
[2013-01-19 15:01:33] <dragonuser> otherwise ill start with teams posted on the thread
[2013-01-19 15:01:34] <Dubby> let me pull out my ubers team
[2013-01-19 15:01:35] <Jirachee> let's take a team from
[2013-01-19 15:01:37] <Aerodactyl> bad host
[2013-01-19 15:01:38] <Aerodactyl> boooooo
[2013-01-19 15:01:38] <Jirachee> the thread
[2013-01-19 15:01:38] <Jirachee> !
[2013-01-19 15:01:40] <Yonko7> start time ^^
[2013-01-19 15:01:41] <dragonuser> ok
[2013-01-19 15:01:43] <ficcion> new host pls
[2013-01-19 15:01:44] <DrCiel> Lgi
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[2013-01-19 15:01:55] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545199&postcount=3
[2013-01-19 15:01:57] <Jirachee> if you wish to help
[2013-01-19 15:01:58] <dragonuser> lets start with that team
[2013-01-19 15:01:59] <Jirachee> pm me
[2013-01-19 15:02:05] <Jirachee> and I'll voice you
[2013-01-19 15:02:05] <Jirachee> !
[2013-01-19 15:02:17] <Jirachee> let's start with superpowerdude's
[2013-01-19 15:02:22] <Jirachee> because he posted it first
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[2013-01-19 15:02:28] <dragonuser> yea
[2013-01-19 15:02:40] <Jirachee> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545199&postcount=3
[2013-01-19 15:02:44] =-= Mode #ratemyteam +v DrCiel by harsha
[2013-01-19 15:02:45] <dragonuser> ok to start off
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[2013-01-19 15:02:54] <dragonuser> i see breloom as being a pretty big threat
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[2013-01-19 15:03:09] <Jirachee> so the team is
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[2013-01-19 15:03:13] <Aerodactyl> lets see something here
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[2013-01-19 15:03:24] <Limitless> can we just admit that the team is structurally bad
[2013-01-19 15:03:24] <Aerodactyl> didn't work
[2013-01-19 15:03:25] <Limitless> 0_0
[2013-01-19 15:03:26] <Aerodactyl> poo
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[2013-01-19 15:03:45] <DrCiel> Rofl
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[2013-01-19 15:03:59] <Eranu> can i still say torn-t is a thread or is it banned
[2013-01-19 15:03:59] <Jirachee> team is Politoed / Ferrothorn / Tentacruel / Dugtrio / Gyarados / Terrakion
[2013-01-19 15:04:00] <Reymedy> first, I don't like Sub/Toxic with those EVs/Nature
[2013-01-19 15:04:02] <Eranu> threat*
[2013-01-19 15:04:04] <electrolyte> what do you mean by structurally bad
[2013-01-19 15:04:05] <dragonuser> some forms of thundurus can also seem threatening
[2013-01-19 15:04:12] <Reymedy> it does only outspeed adamant breloom
[2013-01-19 15:04:14] <Limitless> like why are you spike stacking if you have dugtrio. just take out dugtrio
[2013-01-19 15:04:16] <dragonuser> torn-t is p much banned
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[2013-01-19 15:04:26] <dragonuser> so its best if we avoid it i guess
[2013-01-19 15:04:28] <Leftiez> ^
[2013-01-19 15:04:39] <Eranu> alright
[2013-01-19 15:04:47] <Reymedy> Rotom-W is also a big issue
[2013-01-19 15:04:47] <DrCiel> Okay, lgi
[2013-01-19 15:04:56] <Reymedy> like big big
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[2013-01-19 15:05:02] <Limitless> replace dugtrio with kyurem-b
[2013-01-19 15:05:10] <DrCiel> Yes, espially after Ferro goes down
[2013-01-19 15:05:21] <Jirachee> ferro dislikes will o wisp burns
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[2013-01-19 15:05:31] <Limitless> you can setup ur ferro hazards on rotom
[2013-01-19 15:05:31] <dragonuser> yea tbh dugtrio seems to be the weaker link here
[2013-01-19 15:05:33] <Reymedy> indeed
[2013-01-19 15:05:33] <Limitless> even if u get burned
[2013-01-19 15:05:38] <Limitless> then send in kyurem to setup
[2013-01-19 15:05:38] <Limitless> sub
[2013-01-19 15:05:43] <dragonuser> but that doesn't help much with breloom weakness
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[2013-01-19 15:05:51] <Jirachee> yea this team is fine against Tyranitar
[2013-01-19 15:05:53] <DrCiel> Yeah, huge Loom weakness there
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[2013-01-19 15:05:54] <Reymedy> I don't like Dugtrio without Uturn/VSwitch
[2013-01-19 15:05:56] <Jirachee> and Jirachi
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[2013-01-19 15:06:03] <Limitless> erm
[2013-01-19 15:06:06] <Jirachee> so no need for dugtrio
[2013-01-19 15:06:07] <Limitless> change the tenta set
[2013-01-19 15:06:12] <Reymedy> at least, change Tentacruel to
[2013-01-19 15:06:16] <Jimbon> has the workshop started
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[2013-01-19 15:06:17] <dragonuser> yea
[2013-01-19 15:06:19] <dragonuser> just did
[2013-01-19 15:06:19] <Jirachee> yes
[2013-01-19 15:06:19] <Reymedy> to +speed
[2013-01-19 15:06:21] <Jimbon> link me to team
[2013-01-19 15:06:23] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545199&postcount=3
[2013-01-19 15:06:26] <dragonuser> we are rating spd's team
[2013-01-19 15:06:26] <Jimbon> ty
[2013-01-19 15:06:27] <dragonuser> first
[2013-01-19 15:06:40] <Jirachee> we've agreed that Dugtrio is the weakest link
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[2013-01-19 15:07:04] <dragonuser> so kyurem-b seems like a pretty solid idea > dugtrio, but anyone have ideas for breloom weakness
[2013-01-19 15:07:06] <she> Basically, Trio does nothing
[2013-01-19 15:07:07] <Limitless> the poli set is also retarded if ur not weak to sun
[2013-01-19 15:07:14] <DrCiel> ^
[2013-01-19 15:07:24] <Limitless> also just replace ferro since u have kyurem not
[2013-01-19 15:07:26] <Limitless> now*
[2013-01-19 15:07:35] <DrCiel> The oed EV spread is messed up too
[2013-01-19 15:07:39] <Jirachee> this team needs a steel type though
[2013-01-19 15:07:43] <Reymedy> for breloom at least allow tenta to outspeed him
[2013-01-19 15:07:44] <Jirachee> and a starmie switch in
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[2013-01-19 15:07:50] <Jirachee> well
[2013-01-19 15:07:50] <Limitless> no
[2013-01-19 15:07:51] <Limitless> ...
[2013-01-19 15:07:51] <Jimbon> if you're replacing duggy
[2013-01-19 15:07:53] <Limitless> you have kyurem
[2013-01-19 15:07:53] <Jimbon> put sr on ferro
[2013-01-19 15:07:55] <Jirachee> I guess kyurem-b works
[2013-01-19 15:07:55] <Jimbon> over something
[2013-01-19 15:07:57] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:08:01] <Limitless> if u put kyurem over dugtrio
[2013-01-19 15:08:06] <Limitless> and jirachi with sr over ferro
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[2013-01-19 15:08:16] <Jimbon> which kyu set were you thinking of
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[2013-01-19 15:08:18] <she> Yeah, I agree with Rachi
[2013-01-19 15:08:26] <Limitless> sub/fusion/ice beam/outrage
[2013-01-19 15:08:26] <DrCiel> SubHoneClaws I assume
[2013-01-19 15:08:27] <Limitless> leftovers
[2013-01-19 15:08:31] <Limitless> hone claws is retarded
[2013-01-19 15:08:44] <dragonuser> i agree with ll's spread
[2013-01-19 15:08:52] <dragonuser> sub / fusion / ib / outrage would help a lot
[2013-01-19 15:08:54] <Jimbon> yeah jirachi would prob be better than ferro then
[2013-01-19 15:08:58] <dragonuser> and is in general a solid spread
[2013-01-19 15:09:00] <electrolyte> but may I ask
[2013-01-19 15:09:00] <Jimbon> because slowing shit down with para
[2013-01-19 15:09:03] <electrolyte> why Kyu-B?
[2013-01-19 15:09:04] <Limitless> and then i think the team is done
[2013-01-19 15:09:07] <electrolyte> what does it do to help
[2013-01-19 15:09:10] <Limitless> nothing for rain
[2013-01-19 15:09:13] <Limitless> early breaker
[2013-01-19 15:09:26] <Limitless> keep offensive presence
[2013-01-19 15:09:32] <Limitless> dugtrio didn't really do anything
[2013-01-19 15:09:34] <Limitless> so u just have to fill the gaps
[2013-01-19 15:09:38] <dragonuser> it also does well vs rotom-w if we drop ferro
[2013-01-19 15:09:43] <DrCiel> Yeah
[2013-01-19 15:09:46] <electrolyte> yeah, I understand Duggy
[2013-01-19 15:09:50] <electrolyte> hm
[2013-01-19 15:09:50] <Jimbon> also i think he might want rock slide on scarf terra
[2013-01-19 15:09:56] <electrolyte> I know this is generic
[2013-01-19 15:10:06] <electrolyte> but wouldn't Latios help against Sun?
[2013-01-19 15:10:08] <Eranu> cube will get burned a lot tho
[2013-01-19 15:10:13] <DrCiel> Yeah, EQ is pretty much useless
[2013-01-19 15:10:13] <electrolyte> no Duggy = no SR
[2013-01-19 15:10:18] <electrolyte> unless we give it to Ferro
[2013-01-19 15:10:19] <Reymedy> ferrothorn will be a pain for him after
[2013-01-19 15:10:29] <Jimbon> if you're using kyu-b over duggy
[2013-01-19 15:10:31] <dragonuser> well cube + gyara + rain should do decently vs sun
[2013-01-19 15:10:31] <Eranu> jirachi = stealth rocks
[2013-01-19 15:10:34] <Limitless> .
[2013-01-19 15:10:35] <Jimbon> then use rock slide over eq on terra
[2013-01-19 15:10:41] <dragonuser> along with scarf rak
[2013-01-19 15:10:46] <Jimbon> kyu b beats tenta easy
[2013-01-19 15:10:49] <electrolyte> mhm
[2013-01-19 15:10:52] <DrCiel> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:10:57] <Limitless> the gyarados set is wrong too
[2013-01-19 15:10:58] <Limitless> err
[2013-01-19 15:10:58] <Limitless> evs
[2013-01-19 15:11:00] <dragonuser> so general consensus atm
[2013-01-19 15:11:07] <Limitless> but i'm too lazy to lookup what i use
[2013-01-19 15:11:12] <Limitless> team should be done now
[2013-01-19 15:11:12] <dragonuser> is kyu-b > dug and Jirachi > Ferrothorn
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[2013-01-19 15:11:26] <Limitless> and politoed set should be defensive
[2013-01-19 15:11:27] <dragonuser> someone was mentioning change in poli's ev spread? or no
[2013-01-19 15:11:36] <Limitless> specs is only needed against sun
[2013-01-19 15:11:38] <Limitless> and he has terrak
[2013-01-19 15:11:39] <DrCiel> Ye
[2013-01-19 15:11:40] <Limitless> so no point
[2013-01-19 15:11:43] <Reymedy> timid specs ?
[2013-01-19 15:11:59] <electrolyte> 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA Modest?
[2013-01-19 15:12:12] <DrCiel> 4 Spd
[2013-01-19 15:12:21] <electrolyte> yep
[2013-01-19 15:12:38] <Reymedy> everything but timid specs ;>
[2013-01-19 15:12:50] <dragonuser> i think we can move away from specs even
[2013-01-19 15:12:54] <Limitless> ...
[2013-01-19 15:12:56] <dragonuser> it isnt needed as much
[2013-01-19 15:13:23] <dragonuser> a defensive toed could be helpful for maintaining weather and gives the team a little bit more bulk to fall back on
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[2013-01-19 15:14:05] <Reymedy> he's not overloaded with weather abusers though
[2013-01-19 15:14:14] <electrolyte> he has Tenta + Rachi though
[2013-01-19 15:14:19] <electrolyte> he's not weak to hazards at all
[2013-01-19 15:14:35] <electrolyte> and if we're making some changes with more momentum
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[2013-01-19 15:15:39] <dragonuser> so for politoed set
[2013-01-19 15:15:48] <dragonuser> are we deciding to keep him as specs?
[2013-01-19 15:15:53] <Eranu> it could use
[2013-01-19 15:15:54] <dragonuser> a bulkier spread can also be used
[2013-01-19 15:15:54] <Limitless> ...
[2013-01-19 15:15:55] <Eranu> perish song
[2013-01-19 15:15:57] <DrCiel> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:16:12] <Limitless> if specs is only used for sun
[2013-01-19 15:16:15] <Limitless> why are we keeping it
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[2013-01-19 15:16:34] <dragonuser> i disagree, specs can be used vs other playstyles
[2013-01-19 15:16:38] <dragonuser> it is just most useful vs sun
[2013-01-19 15:16:49] <Limitless> defensive set outclasses in all other uses
[2013-01-19 15:16:50] <dragonuser> its still nice for luring/wearing down common checks to gyara
[2013-01-19 15:16:51] <Eranu> cm jirachi looks annoying to face for the team
[2013-01-19 15:16:53] <dragonuser> like rotom-w
[2013-01-19 15:17:00] <DrCiel> exactly
[2013-01-19 15:17:04] <Limitless> that's why u have ur breakers
[2013-01-19 15:17:07] <she> Basically, we have KyuB for breaking stuff, I don't see the reasons behind saving Specs Poli
[2013-01-19 15:17:07] <Limitless> you don't break with ur weather
[2013-01-19 15:17:39] <dragonuser> eranu does make a good point
[2013-01-19 15:17:44] <dragonuser> thunder cm rachi looks threatening
[2013-01-19 15:17:52] <DrCiel> Yeah
[2013-01-19 15:18:07] <Reymedy> it does against almost any team though
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[2013-01-19 15:18:12] <Reymedy> yany rain *
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[2013-01-19 15:18:26] <she> YeahI agree
[2013-01-19 15:18:26] <dragonuser> our main way to beat it seems to be scarf rak / kyu-b
[2013-01-19 15:18:38] <dragonuser> but kyu-b can be para'd/hit pretty hard
[2013-01-19 15:18:42] <Eranu> maybe fitting earth power on kyub
[2013-01-19 15:18:45] <Reymedy> you can fix cm jirachi with bulldoze cb ferro :>
[2013-01-19 15:18:46] <Eranu> can help
[2013-01-19 15:18:51] <electrolyte> that could help
[2013-01-19 15:18:55] <electrolyte> bit without investment, it's weak
[2013-01-19 15:18:58] <dragonuser> well after 1-2 cm's
[2013-01-19 15:19:03] <dragonuser> fusion bolt would do more
[2013-01-19 15:19:08] <Eranu> true
[2013-01-19 15:19:34] <Eranu> you can run perish song with a scarfed politoed
[2013-01-19 15:19:38] <DrCiel> ^
[2013-01-19 15:19:41] <Eranu> but that doesn't really solve much mid game either
[2013-01-19 15:19:50] <Reymedy> or you get CB ferro
[2013-01-19 15:19:54] <electrolyte> lol
[2013-01-19 15:19:56] <dragonuser> kyu-b is a pretty decent check to it if we play smart
[2013-01-19 15:20:06] <dragonuser> personally i dont think we can really fit a hard counter on this team
[2013-01-19 15:20:34] <Eranu> oh
[2013-01-19 15:20:35] <she> Unless Roar something
[2013-01-19 15:20:43] <Eranu> fusion bolt does 36- 42%
[2013-01-19 15:20:47] <Eranu> so kyu-b should do
[2013-01-19 15:20:49] <dragonuser> yea it does a lot
[2013-01-19 15:20:52] <DrCiel> Mhm
[2013-01-19 15:21:04] <electrolyte> Terrak can do some damaage as well
[2013-01-19 15:21:20] <Jirachee> YO
[2013-01-19 15:21:23] <Jirachee> I'M BACK
[2013-01-19 15:21:25] <Eranu> the team needs to play really careful vs rotor too
[2013-01-19 15:21:30] <Jirachee> what are we rating
[2013-01-19 15:21:33] <Eranu> since nearly every set caries wow
[2013-01-19 15:21:35] <Jirachee> and what changes were made
[2013-01-19 15:21:39] <she> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545199&postcount=3
[2013-01-19 15:21:41] <electrolyte> SpDude's team
[2013-01-19 15:21:45] <Jirachee> changes?
[2013-01-19 15:21:46] <electrolyte> Ferro --> Rachi
[2013-01-19 15:21:48] <dragonuser> so it seems like we are nearly done with this team
[2013-01-19 15:21:50] <electrolyte> Duggy --> Kyu-B
[2013-01-19 15:21:52] <Jirachee> ok
[2013-01-19 15:21:54] <dragonuser> changes being yea
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[2013-01-19 15:21:57] <dragonuser> what electrolyte said
[2013-01-19 15:21:58] <DrCiel> Mhm
[2013-01-19 15:22:08] <Reymedy> and tenta nature <.<
[2013-01-19 15:22:11] <she> Basically if we are having problems with Rotom+Rachi
[2013-01-19 15:22:15] <dragonuser> the only other changes i see are possible defensive toed or bulkier politoed
[2013-01-19 15:22:21] <dragonuser> bulkier specs**
[2013-01-19 15:22:22] <she> Something like Roar Latias could help
[2013-01-19 15:22:23] <Reymedy> I dont see sub toxic working with this spread
[2013-01-19 15:22:27] <Jirachee> this team kinda hates breloom though
[2013-01-19 15:22:30] <she> Just brainstormong though
[2013-01-19 15:22:35] <electrolyte> yes
[2013-01-19 15:22:40] <Eranu> someone said it earlier, but i think giving tent some more speed could help in dealing with rotom
[2013-01-19 15:22:44] <Jimbon> i think sdef celebi might work
[2013-01-19 15:22:46] <Jimbon> but idk where
[2013-01-19 15:22:46] <Jimbon> :(
[2013-01-19 15:22:47] <DrCiel> Yeah, subtoxic won't work tbh
[2013-01-19 15:22:56] <Jimbon> beats loom/cm rachi/rotom
[2013-01-19 15:22:57] <Eranu> subtonic can work
[2013-01-19 15:23:09] <dragonuser> tbh gyara + jirachi
[2013-01-19 15:23:11] <electrolyte> but that requires prediction
[2013-01-19 15:23:13] <dragonuser> can probably handle most breloom
[2013-01-19 15:23:15] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:23:16] <dragonuser> but its iffy
[2013-01-19 15:23:17] <Eranu> as long you toxic rotom early
[2013-01-19 15:23:18] <Jimbon> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:23:21] <Jimbon> same with cm jirachi
[2013-01-19 15:23:22] <dragonuser> and tenta can outspeed
[2013-01-19 15:23:23] <Jimbon> just play smart
[2013-01-19 15:23:26] <DrCiel> ^
[2013-01-19 15:23:29] <Reymedy> nah
[2013-01-19 15:23:32] <dragonuser> ok so is everyone happy with changes?
[2013-01-19 15:23:34] <dragonuser> any last comments
[2013-01-19 15:23:35] <electrolyte> yes
[2013-01-19 15:23:40] <Reymedy> thats the point, tenta doesnt outspeed
[2013-01-19 15:23:41] <DrCiel> all good
[2013-01-19 15:23:42] <Jimbon> seems good
[2013-01-19 15:23:45] <Jirachee> looks fine
[2013-01-19 15:23:46] <dragonuser> ok next team
[2013-01-19 15:23:53] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3474556
[2013-01-19 15:23:56] <dragonuser> anyone have preferences?
[2013-01-19 15:24:01] <dragonuser> or ill just go down the list
[2013-01-19 15:24:07] <electrolyte> ooh me next
[2013-01-19 15:24:08] <Eranu> lets do the list
[2013-01-19 15:24:14] <electrolyte> I think I am next on the list
[2013-01-19 15:24:20] <Jirachee> peng is
[2013-01-19 15:24:22] <electrolyte> oh nope
[2013-01-19 15:24:24] <dragonuser> you're third
[2013-01-19 15:24:24] <electrolyte> that's peng :x
[2013-01-19 15:24:29] <Jirachee> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3477612
[2013-01-19 15:24:31] <dragonuser> if you're fine with that we can do peng's
[2013-01-19 15:24:33] <Jirachee> butoom of the ocket
[2013-01-19 15:24:39] <Jirachee> :D
[2013-01-19 15:24:44] <Jimbon> excellent team
[2013-01-19 15:24:51] <DrCiel> I concur
[2013-01-19 15:24:54] <Jirachee> ok so
[2013-01-19 15:24:55] <dragonuser> ok so this is obviously a very solid team
[2013-01-19 15:24:59] <Jirachee> this team
[2013-01-19 15:25:02] <dragonuser> only big threats seem to be
[2013-01-19 15:25:05] <Jirachee> kinda hates venusaur
[2013-01-19 15:25:07] <dragonuser> pokemon like victini/darm
[2013-01-19 15:25:08] <dragonuser> and venu
[2013-01-19 15:25:09] <Jirachee> thundurus-t
[2013-01-19 15:25:11] <Eranu> i think
[2013-01-19 15:25:15] <DrCiel> So basically Sun
[2013-01-19 15:25:20] <Eranu> making jelly physically defensive could work
[2013-01-19 15:25:22] <dragonuser> thundurus-t as well
[2013-01-19 15:25:26] <dragonuser> yea i was thinking that too
[2013-01-19 15:25:37] <dragonuser> phys def jelli helps a lot and he has plenty of rain checks
[2013-01-19 15:25:44] <DrCiel> Yeah
[2013-01-19 15:25:54] <Jirachee> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:26:02] <dragonuser> ok so that helps with victini/darmanitan
[2013-01-19 15:26:08] <dragonuser> but venusaur / thundurus are still threatening
[2013-01-19 15:26:14] <dragonuser> im thinking something like latias
[2013-01-19 15:26:16] <dragonuser> could work well
[2013-01-19 15:26:21] <Eranu> i was thinking that too
[2013-01-19 15:26:24] <Eranu> since torn is banned
[2013-01-19 15:26:25] <DrCiel> Maybe over Rachi
[2013-01-19 15:26:28] <she> Well if you look at it something like Latios seems pretty tough too
[2013-01-19 15:26:28] <Jirachee> no
[2013-01-19 15:26:35] <Jirachee> getting rid of Jirachi
[2013-01-19 15:26:35] <dragonuser> i was thinking over zapdos maybe?
[2013-01-19 15:26:40] <Jirachee> removes his team's scarfer
[2013-01-19 15:26:41] <Eranu> maybe something over zapdos
[2013-01-19 15:26:42] <Jirachee> which is bad
[2013-01-19 15:26:46] <Jirachee> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:26:52] <dragonuser> since zapdos isn't needed as much for hurricane absorber
[2013-01-19 15:26:53] <Jirachee> cmroar latias could work maybe?
[2013-01-19 15:27:00] <dragonuser> and he has jirachi / sand for torna-i
[2013-01-19 15:27:01] <she> I'd actually go with something over Zapdos
[2013-01-19 15:27:10] <DrCiel> Yea, CMroar latias
[2013-01-19 15:27:20] <Jirachee> cmroar is my favorite set on stall
[2013-01-19 15:27:21] <she> brb
[2013-01-19 15:27:34] <dragonuser> that also helps
[2013-01-19 15:27:39] <dragonuser> with dd gyara weakness a bit
[2013-01-19 15:27:43] <Jirachee> yes
[2013-01-19 15:27:45] <electrolyte> helps vs Sun
[2013-01-19 15:27:49] <dragonuser> and sun yea
[2013-01-19 15:27:50] <electrolyte> helps vs Rain more
[2013-01-19 15:27:52] <electrolyte> looks good
[2013-01-19 15:27:53] <DrCiel> agreed
[2013-01-19 15:27:53] <Eranu> you could go with something that is a little more offensive to ohio both thund and venu
[2013-01-19 15:27:55] <Eranu> 
[2013-01-19 15:28:01] <electrolyte> but it's stall
[2013-01-19 15:28:08] <dragonuser> ok so physically defensive jellicent > specially defensive and CM Roar Latias > Zapdos
[2013-01-19 15:28:10] <Eranu> i know so its probe not a good idea
[2013-01-19 15:28:13] <Eranu> probs*
[2013-01-19 15:28:15] <DrCiel> yea
[2013-01-19 15:28:17] <dragonuser> any other comments?
[2013-01-19 15:28:18] <electrolyte> yes
[2013-01-19 15:28:23] <Jirachee> hm
[2013-01-19 15:28:50] <Jirachee> well he should definetly run some speed on his def jellicent
[2013-01-19 15:28:57] <DrCiel> definitely
[2013-01-19 15:29:02] <Jirachee> otherwise he gets nigged by tar+keldeo
[2013-01-19 15:29:03] <she> i agree
[2013-01-19 15:29:06] <dragonuser> yea
[2013-01-19 15:29:16] <Jirachee> he already has speed on sdef jelli but
[2013-01-19 15:29:20] <dragonuser> cb ttar usually hits around 180 right?
[2013-01-19 15:29:24] <Jirachee> when making the change make sure it stays
[2013-01-19 15:29:25] <electrolyte> 'nigged'?
[2013-01-19 15:29:26] <electrolyte> lol
[2013-01-19 15:29:28] <Jirachee> cbtar usually runs
[2013-01-19 15:29:34] <DrCiel> lol
[2013-01-19 15:29:35] <dragonuser> 180 speed stat
[2013-01-19 15:29:37] <Jirachee> maximum 104 speed
[2013-01-19 15:29:41] <Jirachee> hm
[2013-01-19 15:29:46] <Jirachee> lemme check on showdown
[2013-01-19 15:29:53] <Eranu> mine runs 184 speed
[2013-01-19 15:29:56] <Jimbon> i use 152 on cb tar
[2013-01-19 15:29:57] <Jirachee> 184
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[2013-01-19 15:30:11] <Jirachee> I always run 152 252+ 104
[2013-01-19 15:30:19] <dragonuser> thats around
[2013-01-19 15:30:23] <dragonuser> 116 speed evs
[2013-01-19 15:30:24] <Jirachee> 184 speed
[2013-01-19 15:30:27] <dragonuser> which is quite a lot
[2013-01-19 15:30:32] <dragonuser> on jellicent****
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[2013-01-19 15:30:38] <dragonuser> to beat cb ttar speed
[2013-01-19 15:30:40] <she> hmmm
[2013-01-19 15:30:45] <DrCiel> htm
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[2013-01-19 15:30:52] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:31:01] <she> I'd rather have additional bulk in this situation I guess
[2013-01-19 15:31:25] <dragonuser> his team does have a lot of bulk so the speed could be used i guess
[2013-01-19 15:31:32] <Jirachee> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:31:33] <DrCiel> yeah
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[2013-01-19 15:31:41] <Jimbon> yeah i think burning cb tar is more important
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[2013-01-19 15:31:44] <Jirachee> the speed will also be useful
[2013-01-19 15:31:45] <electrolyte> it's not that big of a change anyway
[2013-01-19 15:31:46] <Nel> !
[2013-01-19 15:31:50] <Nel> hello pipol
[2013-01-19 15:31:54] <electrolyte> hi
[2013-01-19 15:31:54] <Jirachee> so you can outspeed Skarmory
[2013-01-19 15:31:58] <DrCiel> yo
[2013-01-19 15:31:58] <Jirachee> and taunt it
[2013-01-19 15:32:01] <Jirachee> before it spikes
[2013-01-19 15:32:01] <Nel> what are ratinngg
[2013-01-19 15:32:07] <dragonuser> ok so fast phys def jelli > sp def and cm roar latias > zapdos
[2013-01-19 15:32:07] <Jirachee> buttom of the ocket
[2013-01-19 15:32:10] <dragonuser> anything else?
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[2013-01-19 15:32:14] <she> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3477612 nel
[2013-01-19 15:32:15] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3477612
[2013-01-19 15:32:17] <Nel> bottom?
[2013-01-19 15:32:17] <DrCiel> I think thats good
[2013-01-19 15:32:18] <Nel> hum
[2013-01-19 15:32:23] <Nel> zapdos needs to go
[2013-01-19 15:32:30] <Nel> torn is uber -_
[2013-01-19 15:32:37] <Eranu> dragonuser: ok so fast phys def jelli > sp def and cm roar latias > zapdos
[2013-01-19 15:32:38] <electrolyte> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:32:41] <electrolyte> we made that change
[2013-01-19 15:32:44] <Nel> !
[2013-01-19 15:32:55] <Nel> why cm roar?
[2013-01-19 15:32:56] <Jirachee> nel we did roarcm latias > zapdos
[2013-01-19 15:32:59] <Nel> i mean, roar
[2013-01-19 15:33:00] <Jirachee> because it's stall
[2013-01-19 15:33:03] <DrCiel> ^
[2013-01-19 15:33:04] <Jirachee> roar is goos
[2013-01-19 15:33:07] <Jirachee> -s +d
[2013-01-19 15:33:09] <dragonuser> and it helps
[2013-01-19 15:33:11] <electrolyte> also Latias b/c it beats Sun / Rain
[2013-01-19 15:33:14] <dragonuser> with his other weaknesses as well
[2013-01-19 15:33:16] <Nel> sub roost? ç_ç
[2013-01-19 15:33:17] <electrolyte> he has a bit of a problem with Venu
[2013-01-19 15:33:32] <Jirachee> the set is roar/dragonpulse/recover/cm
[2013-01-19 15:33:37] <dragonuser> i think sp def hippo + cm latias
[2013-01-19 15:33:38] <Reymedy> god
[2013-01-19 15:33:41] <dragonuser> should do fine vs venu
[2013-01-19 15:33:48] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:33:48] <DrCiel> Yeah, should be good
[2013-01-19 15:33:51] <dragonuser> venu and sun
[2013-01-19 15:33:52] <dragonuser> *
[2013-01-19 15:33:59] <Jimbon> and venu needs a growth to break through jirachi anyway
[2013-01-19 15:34:03] <Nel> have you ever tried
[2013-01-19 15:34:06] <Nel> support latias
[2013-01-19 15:34:08] <Nel> with twave
[2013-01-19 15:34:14] <Nel> it works
[2013-01-19 15:34:17] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:34:28] <Jirachee> cm roar gives this team a surefire sweeper though
[2013-01-19 15:34:33] <Jirachee> which is great even on stall
[2013-01-19 15:34:37] <DrCiel> indeed
[2013-01-19 15:34:38] <Nel> meh
[2013-01-19 15:34:39] <dragonuser> and it also helps with mindgames vs cb ttar
[2013-01-19 15:34:43] <dragonuser> if you have hazards down
[2013-01-19 15:34:53] <Nel> latias is not going to sweep unless scizor/rachi ectect are dead
[2013-01-19 15:34:58] <Jimbon> and being able to phase out bulky shit is nice too
[2013-01-19 15:34:59] <dragonuser> ok so it seems like we are pretty much done with this team?
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[2013-01-19 15:35:03] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:35:03] <Jimbon> stuff that jirachi cant break through
[2013-01-19 15:35:05] <DrCiel> yup
[2013-01-19 15:35:07] <dragonuser> anyone have any other comments?
[2013-01-19 15:35:10] <dragonuser> or should we move on
[2013-01-19 15:35:17] <Eranu> let us move on
[2013-01-19 15:35:22] <Jirachee> I think we should move on
[2013-01-19 15:35:31] <Jirachee> so PENGUINX
[2013-01-19 15:35:32] <dragonuser> ok it is time for electrolyte's team then
[2013-01-19 15:35:33] <Jimbon> what is the next team
[2013-01-19 15:35:42] <Jirachee> buttom of the ocket <3
[2013-01-19 15:35:43] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545305&postcount=5
[2013-01-19 15:35:54] <electrolyte> would you like me to explain it a bit
[2013-01-19 15:35:56] <Eranu> lo latias is a prob
[2013-01-19 15:36:01] <dragonuser> so this seems like a pretty cool offensive team
[2013-01-19 15:36:06] <dragonuser> forretress seems out of place
[2013-01-19 15:36:07] <electrolyte> yes
[2013-01-19 15:36:08] <DrCiel> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:36:13] <electrolyte> mhm
[2013-01-19 15:36:16] <electrolyte> I had a problem with DragMag
[2013-01-19 15:36:17] <Jirachee> Mamoswine / Breloom / Latias / Forretress / Thund-T /Ditto
[2013-01-19 15:36:18] <Reymedy> Stone Edge Mamo
[2013-01-19 15:36:18] <Reymedy> I hate that
[2013-01-19 15:36:21] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:36:24] <dragonuser> but yea if you want to expand sure go ahead
[2013-01-19 15:36:24] <Jirachee> stone edge is bad
[2013-01-19 15:36:26] <Jirachee> on mamo
[2013-01-19 15:36:29] <she> 3 Ice weakpokes stand out to me
[2013-01-19 15:36:32] <dragonuser> or explain reasoning while we are rating
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[2013-01-19 15:36:35] <DrCiel> should be Superpower
[2013-01-19 15:36:37] <electrolyte> ok
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[2013-01-19 15:36:51] <electrolyte> so Mamo / Loom is my physical offense core
[2013-01-19 15:36:53] <dragonuser> is there a reason
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[2013-01-19 15:36:58] <electrolyte> I wanted to try it out so I just slapped it on
[2013-01-19 15:37:00] <dragonuser> you didnt use deoxys-d > forry
[2013-01-19 15:37:02] <Nel> damn crash
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[2013-01-19 15:37:11] <electrolyte> the pokemon that I wanted to center the team around is Ditto
[2013-01-19 15:37:12] <Reymedy> SE only hits Gyarados
[2013-01-19 15:37:13] <Nel> what are you rating?
[2013-01-19 15:37:14] <Reymedy> thus
[2013-01-19 15:37:18] <Reymedy> it's not really the best fit
[2013-01-19 15:37:20] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545305&postcount=5
[2013-01-19 15:37:21] <electrolyte> I actually have a huge problem with Gyara
[2013-01-19 15:37:22] <dragonuser> @nel
[2013-01-19 15:37:22] <DrCiel> exactly
[2013-01-19 15:37:30] <Reymedy> you rather hit Ferro
[2013-01-19 15:37:35] <Reymedy> well
[2013-01-19 15:37:39] <Nel> why cb on mamo
[2013-01-19 15:37:39] <Reymedy> you got Thundurus
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[2013-01-19 15:37:51] <Reymedy> and if he boost, ditto
[2013-01-19 15:37:52] <electrolyte> DD Gyara is hard to beat
[2013-01-19 15:37:55] <dragonuser> yea you can always force it to bounce and double as last resort
[2013-01-19 15:38:00] <Jirachee> to me
[2013-01-19 15:38:00] <dragonuser> but sub dd gyara is probs
[2013-01-19 15:38:02] <DrCiel> yeag
[2013-01-19 15:38:04] <electrolyte> yes
[2013-01-19 15:38:05] <dragonuser> one of the biggest threats
[2013-01-19 15:38:06] <Nel> hum is forre necessary
[2013-01-19 15:38:07] <Nel> i mean
[2013-01-19 15:38:08] <Jirachee> mamoswine looks like huge trouble
[2013-01-19 15:38:09] <Reymedy> sub dd gyara -_-
[2013-01-19 15:38:10] <Jirachee> for that team
[2013-01-19 15:38:11] <electrolyte> so actually
[2013-01-19 15:38:13] <Jirachee> and forretress
[2013-01-19 15:38:14] <Jirachee> sucks
[2013-01-19 15:38:17] <Jirachee> so you can use
[2013-01-19 15:38:18] <dragonuser> i think deo-d would probably work better
[2013-01-19 15:38:19] <electrolyte> I"ve found that anything that can't be revenged by Ditto
[2013-01-19 15:38:19] <Jirachee> lead terra
[2013-01-19 15:38:21] <DrCiel> Deo-D
[2013-01-19 15:38:21] <electrolyte> is a bit problem
[2013-01-19 15:38:22] <Nel> if you are looking for a spinner, starmie is way better.. forre is bad in offensive teams
[2013-01-19 15:38:23] <Reymedy> get Magnezone
[2013-01-19 15:38:23] <Jirachee> instead of forre
[2013-01-19 15:38:24] <electrolyte> as is Deo-D
[2013-01-19 15:38:30] <she> I see beth Mamo
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[2013-01-19 15:38:35] <Reymedy> over thundurus
[2013-01-19 15:38:42] <Nel> orb mie
[2013-01-19 15:38:43] <Jirachee> listen
[2013-01-19 15:38:44] <dragonuser> perhaps something like
[2013-01-19 15:38:46] <Jirachee> lead terra
[2013-01-19 15:38:47] <she> and less used Weavile as big threats actually
[2013-01-19 15:38:48] <Reymedy> to get rid of breloom/mamo counetrs
[2013-01-19 15:38:49] <Nel> should fit on forre
[2013-01-19 15:38:49] <Jirachee> does a lot
[2013-01-19 15:38:52] <Jirachee> for this team
[2013-01-19 15:38:54] <electrolyte> ?_? I'm overwhelmed
[2013-01-19 15:38:54] <dragonuser> deo-d > forry and rotom-w > thundurus
[2013-01-19 15:38:56] <dragonuser> could work
[2013-01-19 15:39:01] <DrCiel> yea
[2013-01-19 15:39:07] <dragonuser> ok lets stop spamming for one sec
[2013-01-19 15:39:09] <electrolyte> ok so Duser's idea
[2013-01-19 15:39:10] <Jirachee> yea
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[2013-01-19 15:39:12] <dragonuser> jirachee wat are you suggesting
[2013-01-19 15:39:14] <Jimbon> yeah deo-d sounds good
[2013-01-19 15:39:16] <Jirachee> I'm suggesting
[2013-01-19 15:39:18] <Jirachee> lead terra
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[2013-01-19 15:39:21] <Jirachee> over forre
[2013-01-19 15:39:29] <Jirachee> helps vs deo-d
[2013-01-19 15:39:32] <electrolyte> mhm
[2013-01-19 15:39:35] <electrolyte> the problem is
[2013-01-19 15:39:36] <Jirachee> forre sucks 9.9
[2013-01-19 15:39:40] <dragonuser> ok yea that can work as well
[2013-01-19 15:39:43] <Jirachee> helps vs mamo
[2013-01-19 15:39:46] <electrolyte> I need some sort of anti-hazard strategy
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[2013-01-19 15:39:51] <electrolyte> since Thundy can't sweep with SR up
[2013-01-19 15:39:53] <Jirachee> terra
[2013-01-19 15:39:53] <dragonuser> taunt terrak is decent at that
[2013-01-19 15:39:55] <Jirachee> gets taunt
[2013-01-19 15:39:56] <Reymedy> Taun that all
[2013-01-19 15:39:56] <Jirachee> 1
[2013-01-19 15:39:58] <Jirachee> !
[2013-01-19 15:40:02] <electrolyte> ok
[2013-01-19 15:40:06] <Nel> i suggest orb mie> forre orb mamo with sr> cb mamo and a different spread on thundu+lum berry
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[2013-01-19 15:40:08] <DrCiel> seems good
[2013-01-19 15:40:11] <thewolf> jirachee
[2013-01-19 15:40:12] <thewolf> !
[2013-01-19 15:40:14] <Jirachee> thewolf
[2013-01-19 15:40:15] <Jirachee> !
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[2013-01-19 15:40:19] <Reymedy> it's not like an offense cares so much about hasards
[2013-01-19 15:40:26] <DrCiel> ^
[2013-01-19 15:40:27] <dragonuser> wouldnt we still be weak to mamo then nel?
[2013-01-19 15:40:37] <Nel> then
[2013-01-19 15:40:41] <Nel> yache thundu!
[2013-01-19 15:40:42] <Nel> well no
[2013-01-19 15:40:43] <Jirachee> starmie is fine
[2013-01-19 15:40:45] <Jirachee> vs mamo
[2013-01-19 15:40:47] <Nel> doesnt have fblst
[2013-01-19 15:40:48] <Nel> mmh
[2013-01-19 15:40:48] <electrolyte> priority users in general are hard
[2013-01-19 15:40:50] <Eranu> rotom > thund seems like a good change
[2013-01-19 15:40:53] <electrolyte> Scizor can do damage too
[2013-01-19 15:40:54] <Jirachee> well
[2013-01-19 15:40:55] <DrCiel> Yeah
[2013-01-19 15:40:57] <Jirachee> this team
[2013-01-19 15:41:01] <Jirachee> is pretty offensive
[2013-01-19 15:41:05] <electrolyte> yes
[2013-01-19 15:41:06] <Jirachee> so I'd hesitate
[2013-01-19 15:41:10] <Nel> but everything is weak to mamo unless you ahve rotom/scizor or other walls
[2013-01-19 15:41:11] <Jirachee> putting rotom in it
[2013-01-19 15:41:14] <dragonuser> priority  is naturally rough for fast frail teams
[2013-01-19 15:41:18] <dragonuser> that just comes with the playstyle
[2013-01-19 15:41:40] <Nel> btw
[2013-01-19 15:41:43] <Nel> left on loom
[2013-01-19 15:41:48] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:41:51] <Jirachee> it's not good
[2013-01-19 15:41:51] <Nel> are unnecessary in my experience
[2013-01-19 15:41:52] <dragonuser> ok so nel's idea and jirachee's idea both sound pretty solid
[2013-01-19 15:41:54] <Reymedy> ws
[2013-01-19 15:42:00] <electrolyte> kk
[2013-01-19 15:42:04] <dragonuser> main thing is
[2013-01-19 15:42:07] <Jirachee> you need something like lo or fight gem
[2013-01-19 15:42:11] <dragonuser> LO Mie or Sash rak
[2013-01-19 15:42:16] <electrolyte> I'll do LO
[2013-01-19 15:42:22] <electrolyte> also
[2013-01-19 15:42:25] <Nel> idk if you need the spinner THAT much
[2013-01-19 15:42:25] <DrCiel> LO is good
[2013-01-19 15:42:29] <electrolyte> I've been questioning Mamo's item
[2013-01-19 15:42:32] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:42:33] <electrolyte> I"m not too sure Band is best
[2013-01-19 15:42:35] <Nel> mie is better but sash kion its also good to prevent sr
[2013-01-19 15:42:36] <electrolyte> since it makes me weak to Sun
[2013-01-19 15:42:40] <Jirachee> lo is better imo
[2013-01-19 15:42:42] <Jirachee> because then
[2013-01-19 15:42:45] <Jimbon> if you run lo
[2013-01-19 15:42:46] <Jirachee> you can spam earthquake
[2013-01-19 15:42:47] <Jimbon> you can have sr
[2013-01-19 15:42:47] <dragonuser> if we dont make mamo sash rocks
[2013-01-19 15:42:50] <dragonuser> then make it LO
[2013-01-19 15:42:50] <Reymedy> I'd go for expert belt
[2013-01-19 15:42:52] <she> I was questioning whether would Mamo benefit more from LO
[2013-01-19 15:42:54] <Reymedy> it's just better
[2013-01-19 15:42:56] <dragonuser> lo is stupidly good in this metagame
[2013-01-19 15:42:59] <Jimbon> and then you can replace forre for something like starmie
[2013-01-19 15:43:04] <electrolyte> lol
[2013-01-19 15:43:08] <Reymedy> you don't get SR spammed
[2013-01-19 15:43:09] <Nel> yeah lo definetely helps
[2013-01-19 15:43:09] <electrolyte> ok
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[2013-01-19 15:43:16] <electrolyte> I like the terrakion idea
[2013-01-19 15:43:17] <Reymedy> and in HOn, enemy can expect you to be choiced
[2013-01-19 15:43:23] <DrCiel> Exactly
[2013-01-19 15:43:24] <dragonuser> ok so lets summarize changes so far
[2013-01-19 15:43:25] <Reymedy> you win momentum blabla
[2013-01-19 15:43:34] <electrolyte> but Starmie is also cool
[2013-01-19 15:43:45] <electrolyte> hm
[2013-01-19 15:43:50] <Jirachee> changes are
[2013-01-19 15:43:50] <electrolyte> what else have I had trouble with
[2013-01-19 15:43:53] <dragonuser> lead Terrakion > Forretress or Starmie > Forretress and LO on both mamo and breloom
[2013-01-19 15:43:57] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:44:01] <electrolyte> ok
[2013-01-19 15:44:06] <dragonuser> electrolyte since it is your team
[2013-01-19 15:44:09] <Jimbon> i'd also suggest running a slightly more bulky spread on latias
[2013-01-19 15:44:09] <dragonuser> which would you prefer
[2013-01-19 15:44:09] <electrolyte> also SubCM Jirachi is an ass
[2013-01-19 15:44:16] <electrolyte> I'll try both
[2013-01-19 15:44:17] <Jimbon> as it is your main switch in to rplando/keldeo
[2013-01-19 15:44:23] <Jirachee> jimbon
[2013-01-19 15:44:31] <Jirachee> I used the 72 hp latias a lot
[2013-01-19 15:44:37] <Jirachee> and it always does like
[2013-01-19 15:44:40] <Jirachee> 99 to things
[2013-01-19 15:44:42] <Jirachee> 9.9
[2013-01-19 15:44:44] <electrolyte> lol
[2013-01-19 15:44:46] <Jirachee> so I'd rather have
[2013-01-19 15:44:49] <Nel> latias is weak :(
[2013-01-19 15:44:49] <Jirachee> max spa
[2013-01-19 15:44:58] <electrolyte> yes I agree
[2013-01-19 15:45:03] <electrolyte> Lando is rarely a threat
[2013-01-19 15:45:07] <electrolyte> since I have Mamo + Ditto
[2013-01-19 15:45:12] <dragonuser> lets decide on our lead change
[2013-01-19 15:45:17] <Nel> btw electrolyte
[2013-01-19 15:45:20] <dragonuser> and then we should be nearly done
[2013-01-19 15:45:23] <Nel> is ditto that usefull?
[2013-01-19 15:45:26] <Nel> i mean
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[2013-01-19 15:45:29] <Nel> does it work?
[2013-01-19 15:45:30] <dragonuser> Terrakion or Starmie
[2013-01-19 15:45:31] <electrolyte> it is
[2013-01-19 15:45:37] <electrolyte> it's situational
[2013-01-19 15:45:43] <Nel> huum ok
[2013-01-19 15:45:44] <Jirachee> tbh that team doesn't need a spinner all tnat much
[2013-01-19 15:45:45] <Reymedy> it is strange, ditto beats pokemon setting up
[2013-01-19 15:45:47] <electrolyte> but it can fulfill a variety of useful roles
[2013-01-19 15:45:48] <Reymedy> against a HO
[2013-01-19 15:45:50] <Reymedy> you can't set up
[2013-01-19 15:45:53] <Jirachee> so I'd go for terra
[2013-01-19 15:45:55] <Reymedy> thus I don't see ditto's logic
[2013-01-19 15:46:06] <electrolyte> Ditto is to revenge kill
[2013-01-19 15:46:09] <electrolyte> and to beat other HO
[2013-01-19 15:46:10] <Jirachee> remedy is right imo
[2013-01-19 15:46:14] <Nel> meh
[2013-01-19 15:46:17] <dragonuser> yea ditto works pretty well
[2013-01-19 15:46:18] <Reymedy> you have so many priorities
[2013-01-19 15:46:22] <Reymedy> mach punch, ice shard
[2013-01-19 15:46:27] <electrolyte> well
[2013-01-19 15:46:27] <dragonuser> ok so terrak > forry and LO on mamo and breloom
[2013-01-19 15:46:28] <Reymedy> you have any ways to revenge kill
[2013-01-19 15:46:31] <electrolyte> I haven't tried LO Mamo yet
[2013-01-19 15:46:32] <Reymedy> many*
[2013-01-19 15:46:33] <dragonuser> any other comments?
[2013-01-19 15:46:40] <electrolyte> but I'm just saying that I rarely used Band to revenge
[2013-01-19 15:46:42] <she> looks good imo
[2013-01-19 15:46:47] <Jirachee> yea looks fine
[2013-01-19 15:46:47] <electrolyte> (anything other than Dragons)
[2013-01-19 15:46:49] <Nel> yup
[2013-01-19 15:46:53] <electrolyte> kk
[2013-01-19 15:47:17] <dragonuser> ok
[2013-01-19 15:47:20] <Jirachee> next team?
[2013-01-19 15:47:21] <dragonuser> so novaray's team is next
[2013-01-19 15:47:22] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545365&postcount=6
[2013-01-19 15:47:26] <Jirachee> OK
[2013-01-19 15:47:29] <Jirachee> ONE THING
[2013-01-19 15:47:34] <Nel> sharp <3
[2013-01-19 15:47:37] <Jirachee> HEALING WISH ON SDEF RACHI = NO
[2013-01-19 15:47:43] <Nel> ok no
[2013-01-19 15:47:43] <Jirachee> make it Wish instead.
[2013-01-19 15:47:44] <dragonuser> yea definitely
[2013-01-19 15:47:45] <Nel> sharpedo
[2013-01-19 15:47:48] <Nel> with wfall and hpumo
[2013-01-19 15:47:49] <DrCiel> Obviously
[2013-01-19 15:47:51] <Nel> just sucks
[2013-01-19 15:47:52] <Reymedy> Sub/CM jirachi will be a massiv bitch here
[2013-01-19 15:47:53] <Nel> use ice beam
[2013-01-19 15:47:56] <Nel> instead
[2013-01-19 15:47:56] <dragonuser> ok so wish > healing wish obv
[2013-01-19 15:48:00] <Nel> you know, coverage..
[2013-01-19 15:48:06] <dragonuser> id also make sharpedo
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[2013-01-19 15:48:15] <dragonuser> zenheadbutt or ice beam > hpump
[2013-01-19 15:48:16] <Nel> special
[2013-01-19 15:48:21] <Nel> noo
[2013-01-19 15:48:21] <DrCiel> Yeah
[2013-01-19 15:48:22] <Nel> -_-
[2013-01-19 15:48:23] <dragonuser> depending on if we want full physical or special
[2013-01-19 15:48:29] <Jirachee> zen headbutt is grand on sharpedo
[2013-01-19 15:48:35] <Nel> still it needs an ice move
[2013-01-19 15:48:39] <Nel> double stab
[2013-01-19 15:48:42] <Nel> is useless
[2013-01-19 15:48:51] <she> he could also go Thunder>Body Slam
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[2013-01-19 15:49:06] <Jirachee> that makes him weaker to Thundurus-T
[2013-01-19 15:49:08] <Jirachee> a lot
[2013-01-19 15:49:10] <Nel> and u-turn> healing wish
[2013-01-19 15:49:11] <dragonuser> yea
[2013-01-19 15:49:16] <she> ah, true
[2013-01-19 15:49:17] <Nel> u-turn is good
[2013-01-19 15:49:18] <Nel> ç_ç
[2013-01-19 15:49:19] <dragonuser> then he lacks any healing
[2013-01-19 15:49:22] <dragonuser> which can be rough
[2013-01-19 15:49:24] <DrCiel> Hm
[2013-01-19 15:49:30] <dragonuser> since its his main lati@s switch
[2013-01-19 15:49:35] <Jirachee> and jirachi's healing move is already terrible
[2013-01-19 15:49:41] <Jirachee> so no need to make it worse
[2013-01-19 15:49:50] <DrCiel> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:49:58] <Nel> wish doesnt even work that much without protect to be honest
[2013-01-19 15:50:12] <dragonuser> so im thinking Wish > Healing Wish on jirachi and Zen Headbutt > Hydro Pump on Sharpedo
[2013-01-19 15:50:20] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:50:23] <dragonuser> and change in nature ofc
[2013-01-19 15:50:33] <DrCiel> sounds good
[2013-01-19 15:50:35] <electrolyte> I am interested
[2013-01-19 15:50:42] <dragonuser> does sharpedo need jolly
[2013-01-19 15:50:44] <electrolyte> as to why he was using Healing wish in the first place
[2013-01-19 15:50:45] <dragonuser> or can adamant be used
[2013-01-19 15:50:46] <Jirachee> does sharpedo need a +speed nature to outspeed keldeo
[2013-01-19 15:50:48] <Nel> no
[2013-01-19 15:50:49] <electrolyte> I mean Nova isn't stupid
[2013-01-19 15:50:49] <Nel> it doesnt
[2013-01-19 15:50:52] <dragonuser> and outspeed needed things
[2013-01-19 15:50:53] <dragonuser> ok
[2013-01-19 15:50:53] <Nel> adamant is better
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[2013-01-19 15:50:56] <Jirachee> ok good
[2013-01-19 15:50:58] <DrCiel> Yeah
[2013-01-19 15:51:02] <Nel> btw
[2013-01-19 15:51:08] <Nel> is latios enough to check rotom
[2013-01-19 15:51:09] <dragonuser> any other comments?
[2013-01-19 15:51:21] <dragonuser> yea im a bit worried about rotom-w
[2013-01-19 15:51:22] <electrolyte> hm
[2013-01-19 15:51:28] <dragonuser> rotom-w + tyranitar is very rough
[2013-01-19 15:51:31] <Nel> plus ttar
[2013-01-19 15:51:33] <Nel> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:51:33] <electrolyte> it doesn't seem as if he can beat Ferrothorn
[2013-01-19 15:51:36] <Nel> exactly
[2013-01-19 15:51:37] <DrCiel> Mhm
[2013-01-19 15:51:45] <dragonuser> and ferro is sharpedo's main counter
[2013-01-19 15:51:59] <she> SubBU Croak?
[2013-01-19 15:52:03] <Nel> we could put breloom>toxic
[2013-01-19 15:52:06] <dragonuser> a Spiker set on Ferrothorn can do a lot of damage
[2013-01-19 15:52:15] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:52:20] <electrolyte> yes
[2013-01-19 15:52:20] <Nel> breloom at least can stop rotom
[2013-01-19 15:52:21] <Jirachee> hm
[2013-01-19 15:52:25] <Nel> still kos ferro ect
[2013-01-19 15:52:32] <Jirachee> breloom hates will-o-wisp though
[2013-01-19 15:52:44] <Nel> ehh
[2013-01-19 15:52:45] <electrolyte> possibly
[2013-01-19 15:52:45] <dragonuser> what if we do
[2013-01-19 15:52:50] <dragonuser> toxic orb breloom?
[2013-01-19 15:52:53] <electrolyte> but yeah, what Jirachi said
[2013-01-19 15:52:55] <Jirachee> :O
[2013-01-19 15:52:56] <dragonuser> solid rotom-w check
[2013-01-19 15:53:05] <Nel> well we can use
[2013-01-19 15:53:05] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:53:11] <Nel> sp def breloom
[2013-01-19 15:53:12] <Nel> at this point
[2013-01-19 15:53:13] <dragonuser> and spore + sub punch/drain punch can do work
[2013-01-19 15:53:16] <dragonuser> also bulk up loom
[2013-01-19 15:53:18] <dragonuser> is viable again
[2013-01-19 15:53:22] <dragonuser> now that torna-t is gone
[2013-01-19 15:53:22] <Nel> true
[2013-01-19 15:53:25] <Jirachee> with tornadus-bird ded
[2013-01-19 15:53:26] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:53:26] <DrCiel> indeed
[2013-01-19 15:53:29] <Nel> maybe it can work
[2013-01-19 15:53:35] <electrolyte> yep
[2013-01-19 15:53:48] <Nel> yeah definetely try it
[2013-01-19 15:53:50] <Nel> btw
[2013-01-19 15:53:53] <Nel> i'd also say
[2013-01-19 15:53:55] <she> doesn't Loom make this team kinda Celebi weak?
[2013-01-19 15:53:55] <Nel> hp fight>trick
[2013-01-19 15:53:57] <dragonuser> a specially defensive loom + latios would also still check keld well
[2013-01-19 15:54:00] <Nel> on latios
[2013-01-19 15:54:05] <Nel> it hits ferro
[2013-01-19 15:54:10] <Nel> trick
[2013-01-19 15:54:11] <Jirachee> trick ruins ferro too
[2013-01-19 15:54:17] <Nel> yes but
[2013-01-19 15:54:18] <Jirachee> trick also ruins blissey
[2013-01-19 15:54:22] <Nel> ferro is still alive
[2013-01-19 15:54:27] <DrCiel> mhm
[2013-01-19 15:54:28] <Nel> ç_ç
[2013-01-19 15:54:30] <Jirachee> it's useless though
[2013-01-19 15:54:33] <dragonuser> yea
[2013-01-19 15:54:36] <electrolyte> perhaps HP Fire > Surf on Latios?
[2013-01-19 15:54:40] <Nel> well it can still wall things
[2013-01-19 15:54:44] <Jirachee> electrolyte
[2013-01-19 15:54:45] <dragonuser> free setup for loom / cant tank any repeated hits
[2013-01-19 15:54:47] <Jirachee> this is a rain team
[2013-01-19 15:54:49] <Jirachee> 9.9
[2013-01-19 15:54:58] <dragonuser> and without surf
[2013-01-19 15:55:08] <dragonuser> cb ttar is a big threat
[2013-01-19 15:55:12] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:55:18] <electrolyte> hm
[2013-01-19 15:55:25] <electrolyte> but it's not as if the rest of his team can't handle TTar
[2013-01-19 15:55:31] <Jirachee> but hp fire
[2013-01-19 15:55:33] <Jirachee> is terrible
[2013-01-19 15:55:34] <dragonuser> i meant like cb ttar can easily remove latios
[2013-01-19 15:55:36] <Jirachee> in rain
[2013-01-19 15:55:42] <dragonuser> when he relys on it to check a decent amount of meta
[2013-01-19 15:55:50] <dragonuser> and yea
[2013-01-19 15:55:50] <electrolyte> kk
[2013-01-19 15:55:51] <electrolyte> makes sense
[2013-01-19 15:55:53] <she> Keldeo+Croak takes ok on CBTar imo
[2013-01-19 15:55:54] <dragonuser> if anything hp fighting
[2013-01-19 15:56:14] <Nel> yes but the problem is not cbtar
[2013-01-19 15:56:18] <Nel> but rotom-w
[2013-01-19 15:56:20] <Nel> plus cbtar
[2013-01-19 15:56:26] <Nel> but breloom
[2013-01-19 15:56:27] <Nel> is good
[2013-01-19 15:56:30] <Nel> to handle them
[2013-01-19 15:56:32] <Nel> so its ok
[2013-01-19 15:56:33] <she> What can Rotom do vs Croak?
[2013-01-19 15:56:37] <Nel> brun
[2013-01-19 15:56:38] <DrCiel> WoW
[2013-01-19 15:56:43] <thewolf> willowisp
[2013-01-19 15:56:44] <electrolyte> brun
[2013-01-19 15:56:45] <she> run Lum Croak
[2013-01-19 15:56:47] <thewolf> lol
[2013-01-19 15:56:49] <Nel> -_-
[2013-01-19 15:56:49] <electrolyte> lol
[2013-01-19 15:56:54] <dragonuser> ok so changes atm: Wish > Healing Wish on Jirachi + Zen Headbutt > Hydro Pump on Sharpedo + Breloom > Toxicroak? + Latios moveset change?
[2013-01-19 15:57:03] <DrCiel> yea
[2013-01-19 15:57:05] <Jirachee> latios without surf is 9.9
[2013-01-19 15:57:05] <Nel> yes
[2013-01-19 15:57:10] <dragonuser> yea if anything
[2013-01-19 15:57:13] <dragonuser> we are dropping trick
[2013-01-19 15:57:16] <Jirachee> ok
[2013-01-19 15:57:17] <dragonuser> all other moves are vital
[2013-01-19 15:57:19] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 15:57:27] <Nel> wait but which hp you wanna use
[2013-01-19 15:57:31] <Jirachee> fighting
[2013-01-19 15:57:35] <Nel> kk
[2013-01-19 15:57:40] <dragonuser> the only real latios moveset change i see possible
[2013-01-19 15:57:45] <dragonuser> is hp fighting > Trick
[2013-01-19 15:57:47] <dragonuser> do we want to do that
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[2013-01-19 15:57:54] <electrolyte> oh I get it
[2013-01-19 15:57:56] <DrCiel> meh
[2013-01-19 15:58:03] <Nel> still think ferro is an ass
[2013-01-19 15:58:03] <dragonuser> idk trick does well
[2013-01-19 15:58:06] <Nel> even if tricked lol
[2013-01-19 15:58:17] <Jirachee> ferro isn't invincible
[2013-01-19 15:58:25] <Jirachee> with breloom immune to leech seed
[2013-01-19 15:58:27] <Nel> it can still spikes
[2013-01-19 15:58:30] <Nel> or power whip something
[2013-01-19 15:58:31] <Jirachee> it'll dies very fast
[2013-01-19 15:58:31] <Nel> idk
[2013-01-19 15:58:31] <dragonuser> yea
[2013-01-19 15:58:33] <electrolyte> Tricking helps you kill it faster
[2013-01-19 15:58:37] <electrolyte> but if we have Loom
[2013-01-19 15:58:40] <electrolyte> Ferro is no longer a problem
[2013-01-19 15:58:44] <electrolyte> let it stay in a Spike
[2013-01-19 15:58:45] <dragonuser> i think Wish > Healing Wish on Jirachi + Zen Headbutt > Hydro Pump on Sharpedo + Breloom > Toxicroak
[2013-01-19 15:58:46] <she> yeah
[2013-01-19 15:58:47] <dragonuser> should work well
[2013-01-19 15:58:49] <electrolyte> we'll just set up and sweep >.>
[2013-01-19 15:58:59] <dragonuser> anyone have final comments or are we good
[2013-01-19 15:59:04] <Jirachee> we're good
[2013-01-19 15:59:04] <Jirachee> !
[2013-01-19 15:59:10] <electrolyte> yes
[2013-01-19 15:59:14] <Nel> fine by me
[2013-01-19 15:59:39] <dragonuser> ah
[2013-01-19 15:59:43] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545395&postcount=7
[2013-01-19 15:59:49] <dragonuser> next team
[2013-01-19 15:59:55] <Jirachee> forretress
[2013-01-19 15:59:57] <Nel> humm
[2013-01-19 15:59:58] <Jirachee> is also
[2013-01-19 16:00:02] <Jirachee> out of place
[2013-01-19 16:00:02] <Nel> rotom+magnezone
[2013-01-19 16:00:05] <DrCiel> deadweight
[2013-01-19 16:00:06] <Nel> whyy
[2013-01-19 16:00:09] <dragonuser> yea why so many forry's on ho?
[2013-01-19 16:00:16] <Jirachee> rotom+mag is fine actually
[2013-01-19 16:00:21] <Nel> meh
[2013-01-19 16:00:22] <Jirachee> you can volt switch outta ferro
[2013-01-19 16:00:25] <dragonuser> frankly scarf keldeo
[2013-01-19 16:00:28] <dragonuser> looks kinda rough
[2013-01-19 16:00:30] <Jirachee> then mag'ed
[2013-01-19 16:00:32] <dragonuser> in rain
[2013-01-19 16:00:33] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:00:37] <dragonuser> nothing beats it really
[2013-01-19 16:00:44] <Nel> uff
[2013-01-19 16:00:45] <Nel> sub zone
[2013-01-19 16:00:46] <Nel> is bad..
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[2013-01-19 16:00:55] <dragonuser> like i guess he can play around it, but its pretty threatening
[2013-01-19 16:01:00] <DrCiel> yea
[2013-01-19 16:01:01] <Nel> to make it short
[2013-01-19 16:01:06] <Nel> deo-d>forre
[2013-01-19 16:01:15] <Nel> its a damn offensive team
[2013-01-19 16:01:19] <Jirachee> hm
[2013-01-19 16:01:20] <she> Sub zone is quite decent in this team imo
[2013-01-19 16:01:23] <DrCiel> Obv
[2013-01-19 16:01:23] <dragonuser> yea i'd agree
[2013-01-19 16:01:24] <Jirachee> he could use starmie
[2013-01-19 16:01:28] <Jirachee> over forre
[2013-01-19 16:01:38] <Jirachee> dragonite enjoys a spinner
[2013-01-19 16:01:39] <Nel> deo-d also prevents sr
[2013-01-19 16:01:43] <Jirachee> not really
[2013-01-19 16:01:50] <Jirachee> if you go up against like
[2013-01-19 16:01:50] <Nel> why not
[2013-01-19 16:01:53] <Jirachee> sr terra
[2013-01-19 16:01:56] <Jirachee> or something
[2013-01-19 16:01:58] <dragonuser> if we really want we could use magic coat or mental herb
[2013-01-19 16:02:02] <Nel> yeah you can still use magic coat
[2013-01-19 16:02:02] <dragonuser> on deo-d
[2013-01-19 16:02:09] <Jirachee> meh
[2013-01-19 16:02:10] <DrCiel> Magic Coat sounds good
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[2013-01-19 16:02:11] <Nel> exactly
[2013-01-19 16:02:19] <Jirachee> magic coat is 9.9
[2013-01-19 16:02:22] <Nel> its not like deo-d needs stoss
[2013-01-19 16:02:27] <Jirachee> thunder wave
[2013-01-19 16:02:28] <dragonuser> ok so what other threats
[2013-01-19 16:02:30] <Jirachee> is better
[2013-01-19 16:02:31] <dragonuser> besides scarf keldeo
[2013-01-19 16:02:42] <Nel> scarfkeldeo?
[2013-01-19 16:02:45] <Nel> oh..
[2013-01-19 16:02:48] <dragonuser> we can just do rocks / spikes / twave / taunt @ mental herb
[2013-01-19 16:02:51] <Nel> idk it has latios, rotom, dnite
[2013-01-19 16:02:56] <Nel> i know that keldeo is keldeo
[2013-01-19 16:03:00] <DrCiel> yea, that sounds good
[2013-01-19 16:03:02] <Nel> but there are other checks to it
[2013-01-19 16:03:04] <dragonuser> yea idk its something to keep in mind
[2013-01-19 16:03:08] <dragonuser> when making changes
[2013-01-19 16:03:12] <dragonuser> lets not make him weaker to it
[2013-01-19 16:03:17] <dragonuser> but atm he should be /alright/
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[2013-01-19 16:03:18] <Nel> sure
[2013-01-19 16:03:37] <Nel> if he is really
[2013-01-19 16:03:43] <Nel> weak to it Lo latias
[2013-01-19 16:03:45] <Jirachee> he's fine against keldeo tbh
[2013-01-19 16:03:46] <Nel> >latios
[2013-01-19 16:03:49] <Nel> can be used
[2013-01-19 16:03:52] <Nel> but it loses power
[2013-01-19 16:04:06] <Jirachee> what he is weak to
[2013-01-19 16:04:08] <dragonuser> lets see what else he is weak to, since keldeo isnt a huge threat
[2013-01-19 16:04:11] <Jirachee> is opposing
[2013-01-19 16:04:13] <Jirachee> latios
[2013-01-19 16:04:17] <DrCiel> yes.
[2013-01-19 16:04:18] <Nel> btw
[2013-01-19 16:04:26] <dragonuser> also any +1 dragon
[2013-01-19 16:04:27] <Nel> i think rotom+magnezone is unnecessary
[2013-01-19 16:04:29] <dragonuser> sorta wrecks him
[2013-01-19 16:04:32] <Jirachee> yea...
[2013-01-19 16:04:36] <Nel> so if we are going ot change anything
[2013-01-19 16:04:39] <Jirachee> salamence
[2013-01-19 16:04:41] <DrCiel> ^
[2013-01-19 16:04:42] <Jirachee> wrecks his team
[2013-01-19 16:04:44] <she> EBelt Latios can basically 5-0
[2013-01-19 16:04:46] <dragonuser> we can probably do something like scarf jirachi
[2013-01-19 16:04:52] <Nel> Ebelt
[2013-01-19 16:04:54] <Nel> is bad
[2013-01-19 16:05:06] <Jirachee> this team is offensive and is fairly slow
[2013-01-19 16:05:11] <dragonuser> yea thats issue
[2013-01-19 16:05:13] <Nel> scarfchi over magnezone?
[2013-01-19 16:05:13] <Jirachee> so a scarfer of some sort
[2013-01-19 16:05:18] <dragonuser> we could make latios / rak a scarf set?
[2013-01-19 16:05:18] <Jirachee> works
[2013-01-19 16:05:21] <Nel> latios also has hp fire
[2013-01-19 16:05:24] <dragonuser> but im not a fan of scarf latios
[2013-01-19 16:05:24] <Jirachee> no scarf latios pls
[2013-01-19 16:05:27] <Nel> it doesnt need to trap ferro
[2013-01-19 16:05:29] <Jirachee> it sucks
[2013-01-19 16:05:31] <Jirachee> terribly
[2013-01-19 16:05:39] <DrCiel> Terra wih scarf seems good
[2013-01-19 16:05:47] <Nel> scarfchi>magnezone
[2013-01-19 16:05:51] <Jirachee> with scarf terra he's still weak to latios
[2013-01-19 16:06:04] <dragonuser> yea im liking nel's idea more
[2013-01-19 16:06:05] <Nel> he is not weak to ferrothorn and scarfchi still handles scizor
[2013-01-19 16:06:06] <Jirachee> scarf rachi
[2013-01-19 16:06:09] <Jirachee> is a great idea
[2013-01-19 16:06:15] <Jirachee> he can use healing wish on it
[2013-01-19 16:06:15] <dragonuser> its not like he is really weak to steels
[2013-01-19 16:06:17] <DrCiel> I agree
[2013-01-19 16:06:20] <Jirachee> which is very good with dragonite
[2013-01-19 16:06:23] <Nel> only scizor
[2013-01-19 16:06:26] <dragonuser> cb terrak p much 2hkos every steel
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[2013-01-19 16:06:30] <Nel> is trheatening but
[2013-01-19 16:06:37] <Nel> scarfchi can have fpunch
[2013-01-19 16:06:40] <dragonuser> yea
[2013-01-19 16:06:54] <Nel> and probably i would put
[2013-01-19 16:06:56] <DrCiel> seems good
[2013-01-19 16:06:59] <Nel> a more offensive spread on rotom
[2013-01-19 16:07:03] <dragonuser> ok so Deoxys-d > Forry and Scarf Jirachi > Magnezone
[2013-01-19 16:07:04] <Nel> is sp def that needed
[2013-01-19 16:07:11] <Aerodactyl> user shakeitup
[2013-01-19 16:07:14] <Aerodactyl> do you like the topic
[2013-01-19 16:07:17] <Jirachee> spdef was probably for tornadus-bird
[2013-01-19 16:07:23] <Tsunami> hmm
[2013-01-19 16:07:24] <Tsunami> yes
[2013-01-19 16:07:26] <dragonuser> yea we can probably drop it a bit
[2013-01-19 16:07:38] <dragonuser> we can make rotom 252 speed (stat)
[2013-01-19 16:07:42] <dragonuser> so it always beats sd scizor
[2013-01-19 16:07:43] <Nel> just to do more damge to scizor
[2013-01-19 16:07:45] <Nel> just i case
[2013-01-19 16:07:52] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:08:07] <DrCiel> mhm
[2013-01-19 16:08:10] <dragonuser> nel do you have a spread in mind
[2013-01-19 16:08:18] <Nel> actually no ç_ç
[2013-01-19 16:08:27] <Jirachee> he should use one
[2013-01-19 16:08:28] <Nel> but i think that
[2013-01-19 16:08:33] <Jirachee> that outspeeds max speed scizor
[2013-01-19 16:08:37] <Jirachee> by 1 point
[2013-01-19 16:08:37] <Nel> 230 in speed is still enough
[2013-01-19 16:08:38] <Jirachee> max spa
[2013-01-19 16:08:39] <Nel> and
[2013-01-19 16:08:43] <Nel> yeah
[2013-01-19 16:08:43] <Jirachee> rest in hp
[2013-01-19 16:08:44] <Nel> .
[2013-01-19 16:08:54] <Jirachee> how much does max speed scizor reach
[2013-01-19 16:08:57] <Jirachee> it's a base 65
[2013-01-19 16:09:02] <DrCiel> Uhm
[2013-01-19 16:09:03] <dragonuser> 251
[2013-01-19 16:09:07] <dragonuser> (stat)
[2013-01-19 16:09:12] <dragonuser> is for jolly max
[2013-01-19 16:09:19] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:09:20] <dragonuser> pmuch Jolly LO SD Scizor speed
[2013-01-19 16:09:31] <Nel> at this point
[2013-01-19 16:09:31] <DrCiel> right
[2013-01-19 16:09:34] <Nel> why not 260
[2013-01-19 16:09:41] <Nel> outspeeds mamo and dnite
[2013-01-19 16:09:43] <dragonuser> jirachee are you suggesting something like
[2013-01-19 16:09:43] <dragonuser> EVs: 80 HP / 252 SAtk / 176 Spd
[2013-01-19 16:09:43] <dragonuser> Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
[2013-01-19 16:09:51] <Jirachee> yes
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[2013-01-19 16:09:53] <Jirachee> exactly
[2013-01-19 16:10:08] <Jirachee> adamant mamo is 9.9 though
[2013-01-19 16:10:12] <DrCiel> ^
[2013-01-19 16:10:14] <Jirachee> since jolly breloom
[2013-01-19 16:10:14] <dragonuser> and we can bump to 260
[2013-01-19 16:10:17] <Jirachee> outspeeds it
[2013-01-19 16:10:24] <Nel> meh
[2013-01-19 16:10:25] <Nel> jolly loom
[2013-01-19 16:10:29] <Nel> adamant>>>>>
[2013-01-19 16:10:32] <Jirachee> 9.9
[2013-01-19 16:10:33] <dragonuser> idk jolly loom is pretty rare
[2013-01-19 16:10:37] <dragonuser> so most mamo are adamant
[2013-01-19 16:10:41] <Jirachee> I always use jolly loom
[2013-01-19 16:10:43] <Jirachee> w/e
[2013-01-19 16:10:46] <dragonuser> at least in my experience
[2013-01-19 16:10:54] <Jirachee> we can make it 260 too
[2013-01-19 16:10:56] <dragonuser> but main thing is
[2013-01-19 16:11:04] <dragonuser> if we make it 260 wat are we doing to dnite?
[2013-01-19 16:11:09] <Jirachee> wow
[2013-01-19 16:11:13] <Jirachee> meh
[2013-01-19 16:11:16] <Jirachee> lum nite
[2013-01-19 16:11:16] <dragonuser> and rotom can probs tank a hit from mamo
[2013-01-19 16:11:18] <Jirachee> is a nigger
[2013-01-19 16:11:19] <Nel> yeah lol
[2013-01-19 16:11:25] <Jirachee> so not worth it
[2013-01-19 16:11:31] <Jirachee> 176 speed is better
[2013-01-19 16:11:39] <Nel> yea 176
[2013-01-19 16:11:41] <Nel> whatever
[2013-01-19 16:11:46] <DrCiel> Hm
[2013-01-19 16:12:04] <Jirachee> ok so dragonuser
[2013-01-19 16:12:06] <Jirachee> what are the changes
[2013-01-19 16:12:09] <Jirachee> for this team
[2013-01-19 16:12:13] <dragonuser> ok so Deoxys-d > Forry and Scarf Jirachi > Magnezone and Modest Rotom-w > Sp Def
[2013-01-19 16:12:21] =-= she is now known as shafk
[2013-01-19 16:12:23] <Jirachee> alright
[2013-01-19 16:12:33] <dragonuser> anyone have final comments?
[2013-01-19 16:12:38] <Nel> mmh na
[2013-01-19 16:12:39] <Jirachee> looks fine to me
[2013-01-19 16:12:40] <DrCiel> looks good
[2013-01-19 16:13:01] <dragonuser> ok next team then :3
[2013-01-19 16:13:11] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545446&postcount=8
[2013-01-19 16:13:13] <dragonuser> another HO
[2013-01-19 16:13:17] <Jirachee> damn lol
[2013-01-19 16:13:20] <Jirachee> well
[2013-01-19 16:13:24] <Jirachee> heatran is usually
[2013-01-19 16:13:27] <Jirachee> terrible on ho
[2013-01-19 16:13:31] <Jirachee> in my experience
[2013-01-19 16:13:36] <Nel> oh damn
[2013-01-19 16:13:36] <dragonuser> rain offense
[2013-01-19 16:13:38] <Nel> yes it is
[2013-01-19 16:13:39] <dragonuser> looks very rough
[2013-01-19 16:13:43] <Jirachee> because it's basically a free switch in to keldeo and terrakion
[2013-01-19 16:13:44] <dragonuser> like latios is only resist
[2013-01-19 16:13:46] <Nel> scarftios also
[2013-01-19 16:13:48] <Nel> is bad
[2013-01-19 16:13:50] <Nel> ç_ç
[2013-01-19 16:13:51] <Jirachee> as well as doing nothing to rain
[2013-01-19 16:13:58] <Nel> haxorus looks fine
[2013-01-19 16:14:00] <Nel> even though
[2013-01-19 16:14:02] <dragonuser> how good is haxorus
[2013-01-19 16:14:03] <Nel> a bit outclassed
[2013-01-19 16:14:04] <dragonuser> like actually
[2013-01-19 16:14:07] <Nel> from mence
[2013-01-19 16:14:09] <Nel> and nite
[2013-01-19 16:14:10] <Nel> ect
[2013-01-19 16:14:15] <Nel> so if you are using it
[2013-01-19 16:14:15] <dragonuser> wouldnt nite just be better
[2013-01-19 16:14:19] <dragonuser> help vs rain etc
[2013-01-19 16:14:24] <Nel> we should put something to distinguish from the others
[2013-01-19 16:14:27] <dragonuser> or even mence
[2013-01-19 16:14:31] <electrolyte> ah guys I gotta go
[2013-01-19 16:14:34] <Jirachee> scarf mence could work here
[2013-01-19 16:14:35] <electrolyte> you have fun
[2013-01-19 16:14:36] <electrolyte> ~
[2013-01-19 16:14:37] <dragonuser> ok bye electrolyte!
[2013-01-19 16:14:40] <dragonuser> thanks for your help
[2013-01-19 16:14:41] <DrCiel> cya
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[2013-01-19 16:14:43] <ium> jirachee am i useful here
[2013-01-19 16:14:43] <Nel> well scarfmence> haxorus and latios
[2013-01-19 16:14:46] <Nel> so we have a free slot
[2013-01-19 16:14:53] <Jirachee> you are always useful ium n_n
[2013-01-19 16:14:59] <dragonuser> yea i agree with nel
[2013-01-19 16:15:00] <ium> ok i give good nu advice for ou team n_n
[2013-01-19 16:15:05] <Jirachee> n_n
[2013-01-19 16:15:10] <Nel> ive tried this type of team
[2013-01-19 16:15:13] <Nel> so many times
[2013-01-19 16:15:14] <Jirachee> yea nel is correct
[2013-01-19 16:15:17] <Nel> and i can say that
[2013-01-19 16:15:18] <dragonuser> i also think heatran should be replaced
[2013-01-19 16:15:21] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:15:23] <Nel> scizor is the best partren
[2013-01-19 16:15:23] <dragonuser> by a more solid water-type resist
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[2013-01-19 16:15:26] <Jirachee> he could use
[2013-01-19 16:15:26] <Nel> as an offensive steel
[2013-01-19 16:15:28] <Jirachee> kingdra
[2013-01-19 16:15:30] <Jirachee> or scior
[2013-01-19 16:15:33] <Jirachee> scizor*
[2013-01-19 16:15:38] <Jirachee> kingdra rapes rain
[2013-01-19 16:15:41] <dragonuser> o both of those ideas seem interesting
[2013-01-19 16:15:51] <Jirachee> scizor is probably the best offensive steel
[2013-01-19 16:15:58] <Nel> yep it is
[2013-01-19 16:16:01] <Nel> but pursuit sciozr
[2013-01-19 16:16:05] <Nel> >crunch cario
[2013-01-19 16:16:25] <dragonuser> wait so
[2013-01-19 16:16:30] <dragonuser> Scarf Mence > Scarf Latios
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[2013-01-19 16:16:33] <Jirachee> y
[2013-01-19 16:16:36] <dragonuser> and scizor > lucario?
[2013-01-19 16:16:39] <Nel> no
[2013-01-19 16:16:39] <Jirachee> oh wait
[2013-01-19 16:16:41] <Jirachee> he could do
[2013-01-19 16:16:45] <dragonuser> i was thinking over heatran
[2013-01-19 16:16:45] <Jirachee> the following:
[2013-01-19 16:16:46] <dragonuser> tbh
[2013-01-19 16:16:51] <Jirachee> Scizor > Heatran
[2013-01-19 16:16:54] <Nel> heatran>scizor
[2013-01-19 16:17:00] <Jirachee> Salamence > Latios
[2013-01-19 16:17:05] <Jirachee> Kingdra > Haxorus
[2013-01-19 16:17:06] <Jirachee> !
[2013-01-19 16:17:09] <dragonuser> yea thats what i was thinking jirachee
[2013-01-19 16:17:14] <Nel> !
[2013-01-19 16:17:14] <dragonuser> that seems solid
[2013-01-19 16:17:20] <Nel> maybe scarfgengar over sub disable
[2013-01-19 16:17:23] <Nel> that just suckss
[2013-01-19 16:17:29] <Nel> but its too much
[2013-01-19 16:17:29] <Jirachee> that's a lot of changes but the team remains similar
[2013-01-19 16:17:30] <Aerodactyl> jirachee
[2013-01-19 16:17:31] <Aerodactyl> look
[2013-01-19 16:17:32] <Nel> 4 pokemon
[2013-01-19 16:17:33] <Aerodactyl> its nachos
[2013-01-19 16:17:33] <Aerodactyl> !
[2013-01-19 16:17:33] <Nel> lol
[2013-01-19 16:17:37] <Jirachee> nachos
[2013-01-19 16:17:38] <Jirachee> !
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[2013-01-19 16:17:41] <Nel> i know indeed
[2013-01-19 16:17:43] <DrCiel> !
[2013-01-19 16:17:44] <Nel> but still..
[2013-01-19 16:17:46] <Nel> its a btter set
[2013-01-19 16:17:47] <dragonuser> hmm
[2013-01-19 16:17:50] <dragonuser> do we need scarf gar
[2013-01-19 16:17:55] <Jirachee> heh
[2013-01-19 16:17:58] <Jirachee> he could use
[2013-01-19 16:18:03] <Jirachee> lo instead
[2013-01-19 16:18:09] <Jirachee> which is just better on offensive teams
[2013-01-19 16:18:12] <dragonuser> he could use lo mystic
[2013-01-19 16:18:14] <Jirachee> subdisable is weak af
[2013-01-19 16:18:17] <dragonuser> or just lo sub split
[2013-01-19 16:18:20] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:18:21] <Nel> yeah at least not disable
[2013-01-19 16:18:34] <shafk> LO SubSplit is actually decent
[2013-01-19 16:18:40] <Jirachee> he can use thunder gar
[2013-01-19 16:18:45] <Jirachee> which is great against tentacruel
[2013-01-19 16:18:56] <Jirachee> so it doesn't spin away his hazards
[2013-01-19 16:19:06] <dragonuser> ok so Scarf Salamence > Latios + Scizor > Heatran + Kingdra > Haxorus + LO Gengar > Lefties
[2013-01-19 16:19:16] <Jirachee> yea basically
[2013-01-19 16:19:26] <Jirachee> LO RD Kingdra
[2013-01-19 16:19:29] <dragonuser> i had a lot of sucess a while ago with
[2013-01-19 16:19:39] <Nel> dd is also good
[2013-01-19 16:19:41] <dragonuser> LO gengar and shadow ball / fblast / thunder / protect
[2013-01-19 16:19:44] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:19:50] <dragonuser> but protect may not be as neccesary
[2013-01-19 16:19:57] <dragonuser> since that was in gene meta and nice for scarf gene
[2013-01-19 16:20:02] <Nel> even if you check scizor
[2013-01-19 16:20:02] <Jirachee> Protect is great to scout Scizor though
[2013-01-19 16:20:06] <Nel> thunder doesnt ko
[2013-01-19 16:20:14] <dragonuser> he does have
[2013-01-19 16:20:17] <dragonuser> fire gem deo
[2013-01-19 16:20:17] <Jirachee> well at least you get a hit on it lol
[2013-01-19 16:20:27] <dragonuser> so scizor will die 90% of the time
[2013-01-19 16:20:44] <Nel> ye ye
[2013-01-19 16:21:08] <dragonuser> but protect is still nice since this meta is filled with choice mons
[2013-01-19 16:21:13] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:21:19] <Nel> it can work why not
[2013-01-19 16:21:21] <dragonuser> ok so everyone happy with changes?
[2013-01-19 16:21:25] <Jirachee> yep
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[2013-01-19 16:21:31] <Nel> yess
[2013-01-19 16:21:37] <dragonuser> ok cool
[2013-01-19 16:22:06] <dragonuser> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545804&postcount=9
[2013-01-19 16:22:08] <dragonuser> last team on list
[2013-01-19 16:22:11] <dragonuser> and i just noticed
[2013-01-19 16:22:13] <DrCiel> Well
[2013-01-19 16:22:17] <dragonuser> mainly tr's posted teams ;o
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[2013-01-19 16:22:22] <Nel> the bird
[2013-01-19 16:22:23] <Jirachee> yea :O
[2013-01-19 16:22:28] <DrCiel> Make it Torn-I
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[2013-01-19 16:22:33] <Nel> no
[2013-01-19 16:22:38] <Nel> it wont work
[2013-01-19 16:22:40] <Jirachee> tornadus-bird is banned
[2013-01-19 16:22:40] <Nel> without cruel
[2013-01-19 16:22:56] =-= Tsunami is now known as |Away|
[2013-01-19 16:22:59] <Nel> spinner is necessary
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[2013-01-19 16:23:05] <Nel> if you want to use torn
[2013-01-19 16:23:31] <dragonuser> yea so how do we want to approach replacing tornadus-t
[2013-01-19 16:23:49] <Nel> an another u-turner
[2013-01-19 16:23:49] <Nel> prob
[2013-01-19 16:23:51] <tab> 9.9
[2013-01-19 16:23:52] <dragonuser> do we want to just find his main weaknesses
[2013-01-19 16:23:55] <Jirachee> tab 9.9
[2013-01-19 16:24:01] <dragonuser> and then just replace him with a decent check to them
[2013-01-19 16:24:04] <DrCiel> seems like the way to go
[2013-01-19 16:24:06] <Jirachee> well
[2013-01-19 16:24:11] <Jirachee> tornadus-b
[2013-01-19 16:24:15] <Nel> first
[2013-01-19 16:24:16] <Jirachee> is probably his main cleaner
[2013-01-19 16:24:22] <Jirachee> so we'd need a cleaner too
[2013-01-19 16:24:22] <Nel> bpass>u-turn on celebi
[2013-01-19 16:24:22] <DrCiel> Clearly
[2013-01-19 16:24:27] <dragonuser> yea
[2013-01-19 16:24:28] <Nel> its just better
[2013-01-19 16:24:29] =-= blue is now known as Earthw0rm|Away
[2013-01-19 16:24:37] <dragonuser> ok yea bp > uturn first off
[2013-01-19 16:24:47] <Nel> then
[2013-01-19 16:24:52] <Nel> i dont understand
[2013-01-19 16:24:55] <Nel> epower that much
[2013-01-19 16:24:57] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:25:01] <Jirachee> epower for like
[2013-01-19 16:25:03] <dragonuser> yea wat is he really using it for
[2013-01-19 16:25:04] <Jirachee> heatran
[2013-01-19 16:25:12] <Jirachee> and it's a rain team 9.9
[2013-01-19 16:25:15] <Nel> i would go with baton pass nasty plot celebi
[2013-01-19 16:25:25] <dragonuser> its better to just switch vs heatran and goto another mon
[2013-01-19 16:25:29] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:25:32] <dragonuser> o that could be interesting
[2013-01-19 16:25:36] <Nel> to pass a boost to scarfkkeldeo
[2013-01-19 16:25:44] <Jirachee> holy shit yea
[2013-01-19 16:25:48] <dragonuser> baton pass to keldeo / tornadus-t replacement (possible) and wreck shit
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[2013-01-19 16:25:56] <Jirachee> you can probably ohko latios with that lol
[2013-01-19 16:25:58] <dragonuser> even jira
[2013-01-19 16:26:03] <Nel> yeah
[2013-01-19 16:26:04] <Nel> but
[2013-01-19 16:26:05] <dragonuser> ok i like that idea a lot
[2013-01-19 16:26:10] <Nel> i think he needs to
[2013-01-19 16:26:11] <Nel> replace
[2013-01-19 16:26:13] <Nel> recover
[2013-01-19 16:26:19] <Nel> for some coverage
[2013-01-19 16:26:26] <Jirachee> hp ice?
[2013-01-19 16:26:26] <dragonuser> when i used sub pass celebi
[2013-01-19 16:26:29] <Jirachee> that's probably
[2013-01-19 16:26:31] <dragonuser> i used sub / pass / hp ice / giga
[2013-01-19 16:26:39] <Jirachee> the only coverage that's gonna work
[2013-01-19 16:26:40] <Jirachee> in rain
[2013-01-19 16:26:51] <Jirachee> hitting dragons is p cool for keldeo though
[2013-01-19 16:26:58] <Nel> yeah hp ice
[2013-01-19 16:27:02] <dragonuser> yea so i think hp ice > recover and Nasty Plot > Earth Power
[2013-01-19 16:27:02] <Jirachee> as you can remove like dragonite
[2013-01-19 16:27:04] <dragonuser> should work well
[2013-01-19 16:27:07] <Nel> its the ebst option
[2013-01-19 16:27:22] <Nel> now
[2013-01-19 16:27:27] <Nel> what about..
[2013-01-19 16:27:35] <Nel> meh thundurus
[2013-01-19 16:27:46] <Nel> mmh
[2013-01-19 16:27:51] <dragonuser> hmm im not seeing too many other weaknesses
[2013-01-19 16:28:05] <dragonuser> i guess mamoswine
[2013-01-19 16:28:08] <Jirachee> chansey could be somewhat difficult heh
[2013-01-19 16:28:10] <Nel> bu
[2013-01-19 16:28:15] <Nel> but we need to replace
[2013-01-19 16:28:16] <Nel> torn
[2013-01-19 16:28:18] <Nel> or not?
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[2013-01-19 16:28:21] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:28:22] <Jirachee> we do
[2013-01-19 16:28:24] <dragonuser> we do
[2013-01-19 16:28:29] <Nel> well if we do
[2013-01-19 16:28:33] <Nel> agility yache thundu
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[2013-01-19 16:28:35] <Nel> can fit
[2013-01-19 16:28:40] <Jirachee> :O
[2013-01-19 16:28:41] <dragonuser> hmm
[2013-01-19 16:28:46] <dragonuser> yea that can work
[2013-01-19 16:28:50] <dragonuser> celebi can np on chans
[2013-01-19 16:28:51] <Nel> it has fblast for mamo
[2013-01-19 16:28:54] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:28:55] <dragonuser> and pass it off right before it dies
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[2013-01-19 16:29:04] <Nel> yee
[2013-01-19 16:29:08] <Nel> it works
[2013-01-19 16:29:11] <Party_Starter> whoa this party is getting out of control bro
[2013-01-19 16:29:15] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:29:16] <dragonuser> funk :|
[2013-01-19 16:29:22] <dragonuser> ok i like these changes
[2013-01-19 16:29:25] <dragonuser> everyone happy with them?
[2013-01-19 16:29:37] <Jirachee> Funk "ladybug" saurus :D
[2013-01-19 16:29:40] <DrCiel> yeah
[2013-01-19 16:29:42] <Nel> just a thing
[2013-01-19 16:29:45] <Nel> if we put hp ice
[2013-01-19 16:29:46] <Nel> on celebi
[2013-01-19 16:29:51] <Nel> we need to outspeed dnite
[2013-01-19 16:29:54] <Nel> so moar speed
[2013-01-19 16:29:56] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:30:00] <Jirachee> 260
[2013-01-19 16:30:01] <dragonuser> i think
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[2013-01-19 16:30:07] <Jirachee> well actually
[2013-01-19 16:30:08] <Party_Starter> Jira "antisocial" chee
[2013-01-19 16:30:09] <dragonuser> we should aim for double boost therian speed
[2013-01-19 16:30:09] <Party_Starter> >:|
[2013-01-19 16:30:13] <dragonuser> so like 264ish
[2013-01-19 16:30:27] <Nel> yes it outspeed
[2013-01-19 16:30:33] <Nel> venu
[2013-01-19 16:30:39] <Nel> without sun
[2013-01-19 16:30:49] <Jirachee> hm
[2013-01-19 16:31:12] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:31:17] <Jirachee> that works
[2013-01-19 16:31:24] <dragonuser> EVs: 252 HP / 140 SDef / 116 Spd
[2013-01-19 16:31:25] <dragonuser> Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
[2013-01-19 16:31:29] <dragonuser> does something like that work
[2013-01-19 16:31:32] <Jirachee> yep
[2013-01-19 16:31:34] <dragonuser> or should we make it more offensive
[2013-01-19 16:31:36] <Jirachee> wait
[2013-01-19 16:31:39] <Nel> meh
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[2013-01-19 16:31:44] <Jirachee> do we ohko nite with hp ice
[2013-01-19 16:31:48] <Nel> modest is better i guess
[2013-01-19 16:31:54] <Jirachee> after rocks
[2013-01-19 16:31:57] <dragonuser> yea we can easily make it modest 140 sp attk
[2013-01-19 16:32:01] <Jirachee> otherwise this set is just 9.9
[2013-01-19 16:32:05] <dragonuser> i think max hp is nice
[2013-01-19 16:32:08] <Jirachee> yea
[2013-01-19 16:32:13] <Nel> yep max hp is necessary
[2013-01-19 16:32:15] <Jirachee> we can live 4 stoss
[2013-01-19 16:32:17] <Jirachee> from chansey
[2013-01-19 16:32:25] <Nel> jirachee
[2013-01-19 16:32:27] <Nel> has
[2013-01-19 16:32:30] <Nel> psyshock
[2013-01-19 16:32:36] <Nel> it beats bliss!
[2013-01-19 16:32:39] <dragonuser> EVs: 252 HP / 140 SAtk / 116 Spd
[2013-01-19 16:32:39] <dragonuser> Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
[2013-01-19 16:32:42] <Jirachee> :O
[2013-01-19 16:32:50] <Nel> !
[2013-01-19 16:32:56] <dragonuser> ok guys
[2013-01-19 16:33:01] <dragonuser> seems like we are about done here
[2013-01-19 16:33:04] <Jirachee> yep
[2013-01-19 16:33:08] <LizardMan> oh its the live lecture
[2013-01-19 16:33:08] <dragonuser> was a good workshop!
[2013-01-19 16:33:10] <tab> 9.9
[2013-01-19 16:33:16] <Nel> :D
[2013-01-19 16:33:17] <LizardMan> I fucking missed it
[2013-01-19 16:33:17] <dragonuser> and thanks to everyone that participated
[2013-01-19 16:33:19] <Jirachee> tab 9.9
[2013-01-19 16:33:20] <DrCiel> I agree
[2013-01-19 16:33:29] <Jirachee> thanks to dragonuser our great host :D