other Highlights from 9th October 2012

(03:31:51) ‹Anikitan› ...
(03:32:59) ‹Anikitan› >i think someone is on pms...xd
(03:33:01) ‹Anikitan› i mad
(03:36:16) ‹Anikitan› its nice that when i checked that /q/ thread about me being on a "power trip" park ranger had gone and the only people left were saying that I was doing a good job

(08:27:43) ‹+VCR_Working› https://boards.4chan.org/q/res/226654#p226708
(08:27:50) ‹+VCR_Working› they're starting to spread this shit
(08:28:43) ‹+Kazisho› What's the story behind this.
(08:32:55) ‹+fsdfdsf› I think they mad beam keeps deleting the oragon trail threads
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(10:11:06) ‹+AoC› https://boards.4chan.org/q/res/226765
(10:11:13) ‹+AoC› what a great thing to wake up to
(10:11:30) ‹+AoC› now we are all Brian, an underage asshole from 9gag
(10:12:01) ‹+AoC› I wouldn't think so much of it and laugh it off except that most of /v/ is actually falling for it
(10:12:14) ‹+AoC› fuck it, I'm going back to bed
(10:15:25) ‹+Kazisho› It's horrible.
(10:15:58) ‹+Kazisho› https://boards.4chan.org/v/res/157934696

(11:33:44) ‹+AoC› all things considered, today wasn't that bad
(11:33:45) ‹+AoC› https://boards.4chan.org/q/res/226953
(11:33:59) ‹+AoC› I got Manly Tears mad and that's always a plus
(11:36:16) ‹+AoC› I'm tired though, feels as if everything goes through the cracks the second I look away
(11:38:05) ‹AlBorland[w]› is MT ever not mad?
(11:38:08) ‹AlBorland[w]› something about being a midget?
(11:39:36) ‹AlBorland[w]› woo sys is pooping itself for me

(12:02:44) ‹+AoC› letting this thread stay
(12:02:45) ‹+AoC› https://boards.4chan.org/v/res/157942723
(12:03:25) ‹+AoC› hopefully we won't get backlash for it, but goddamn, I can't be on top of every single little thing
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(12:05:46) ‹+Kazisho› I left one or two of these earlier too since they were popular and, really, this stuff's rather rare.
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(12:10:08) ‹+AoC› yeah, but they started to make far too many of them and complaining about moderation deleting them
(12:11:20) ‹+WalterWhite› whats that?
(12:11:37) ‹+AoC› would have been happy to leave the one that framed it along with KSP and SpaceEngine, but they just had to sneak in a barb at the biased 9fag janitor
(12:12:24) ‹+AoC› They (were) throwing a guy out of a canopy all the way from the edge of space
(12:13:00) ‹+AoC› freefall for minutes, breaking the records from Project Excelsior all the way back when the space program was starting
(12:13:22) ‹+Kazisho› Wasn't it aborted?
(12:13:30) ‹+AoC› that's why I said were
(12:14:19) ‹+AoC› anyway, I'm exhausted. See you guys later

(12:53:46) ‹+WalterWhite› What did I miss?
(12:55:11) ‹~moots› some idiot poste don facebook saying he was a janitor
(12:55:13) ‹~moots› when he wasnt
(12:55:20) ‹+WalterWhite› Oh, wow.
(12:55:22) ‹~moots› and theyu all thought
(12:55:23) ‹%dongfix› hahaha
(12:55:24) ‹~moots› some new guy was added
(12:55:25) ‹~moots› and was deleting shit
(12:55:28) ‹~moots› because they're fucking morons
(12:55:31) ‹+WalterWhite› ...
(12:55:34) ‹+WalterWhite› Wow.
(12:56:18) ‹+Kazisho› The image is months old, people could confirm it.
(12:56:36) ‹+AoC› It was first posted back in June
(12:56:44) ‹+AoC› but people are dumb
(12:56:50) ‹%dongfix› the only facebook-4chan picture i remember is of the rotund lady saying she could destroy people because of anonymous
(12:58:32) ‹+Kazisho› http://archive.foolz.us/v/search/image/TFXujTyv_iyB5lflr1gHGQ/
(12:58:56) ‹+Kazisho› This reminds me when /v/ freaked out because a camwhore said she can delete her posts.
(12:59:14) ‹+Kazisho› Suddenly, she was the new janitor.
(13:01:23) ‹+WalterWhite› .. lol

(16:06:46) ‹%kami`› Anikitan
(16:07:10) ‹%kami`› please stop ban requesting stuff like "wow seriously, stop deleting on-topic posts you faggot janitor",
(16:07:43) ‹%kami`› its not worth banning someone globally 3 days over
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(16:26:02) ‹%kami`› the thing is, Anikitan
(16:26:06) ‹+Kyoubro› If there are complex reasons that desperately need to be addressed, put it down as "other" and explain.
(16:26:14) ‹%kami`› the more you piss them off that way
(16:26:18) ‹%kami`› the more they retaliate
(16:26:27) ‹+VCR_Working› idk
(16:26:47) ‹%kami`› if you're not careful about how you handle them, you'll just make the board worse
(16:26:58) ‹+VCR_Working› while i am generally in agreement, it seems to be pretty fucking deeply rooted into things
(16:27:02) ‹%kami`› several boards come to mind as examples...
(16:27:12) ‹%kami`› no, VCR_Working
(16:27:23) ‹AlBorland[w]› if you've already filed a BR for someone just ignore their shit or ask a mod to deal with it
(16:27:27) ‹%kami`› it is rooted, but if you know your users well
(16:27:33) ‹%kami`› you can sort of manipulate them
(16:27:33) ‹Anikitan› so I should just leave spam posts in the thread
(16:27:34) ‹AlBorland[w]› filing more BRs doesnt do shit but clutter the system
(16:27:38) ‹Anikitan› after ban requesting someone once
(16:27:48) ‹AlBorland[w]› protip: welcome to being a janitor
(16:27:50) ‹%kami`› obviously not

(16:35:13) ‹AlBorland[w]› you dont have the tools to combat spammers or ban evaders
(16:35:14) ‹AlBorland[w]› dont even try
(16:35:17) ‹AlBorland[w]› its a waste of your time
(16:35:23) ‹+Azatsu› ehh
(16:35:27) ‹+Kyoubro› Actually, we have better tools than mods.
(16:35:30) ‹+Azatsu› I'm not going to say that
(16:35:38) ‹+Azatsu› he doesn't have the tools
(16:35:48) ‹+Azatsu› it requires autism and it might break you up, so I don't recommend it
(16:35:52) ‹+Azatsu› but yes, it is indeed possible to win
(16:35:55) ‹+Azatsu› but I wouldn't do that
(16:35:56) ‹+Azatsu› waste of time
(16:35:57) ‹+Azatsu› a lot
(16:36:01) ‹+VCR_Working› you totally would
(16:36:13) ‹+VCR_Working› lol
(16:36:31) ‹+Kyoubro› Anikitan, next time Porky's being a dick ask for a mod to make a post in the thread explaining what's going on.
(16:36:58) ‹Anikitan› ive asked before but no one is ever on
(16:37:04) ‹+AoC› huh, I think I'll have to agree here Anikitan and I know this from experience
(16:37:04) ‹%kami`› lol pork banger
(16:37:25) ‹+AoC› I tried to escalate the conflict as far as I could, down to even 5ms autodeletion
(16:37:41) ‹+Azatsu› in which case?
(16:37:45) ‹+AoC› in the end, all I did was create an environment where the second I went to sleep the whole board suffered
(16:37:46) ‹%kami`› it got worse
(16:37:47) ‹Anikitan› park ranger i'm guessing
(16:37:50) ‹+AoC› in a rampage of spam
(16:37:52) ‹+Azatsu› oh
(16:37:53) ‹+Azatsu› that case
(16:37:55) ‹%kami`› AoC knows
(16:37:57) ‹+Azatsu› when you deal with a specific spammer
(16:38:06) ‹+Azatsu› it doesn't really break down
(16:38:09) ‹+Azatsu› if you can cover his hours
(16:38:11) ‹%kami`› Anikitan should pay close attention to what AoC says
(16:38:12) ‹+Azatsu› but that's still autistic
(16:38:16) ‹Anikitan› ok
(16:38:22) ‹+Azatsu› it seems that
(16:38:27) ‹+Azatsu› /vg/ spammers are varied
(16:38:27) ‹%kami`› its not about brute force
(16:38:32) ‹%kami`› its about subtlety
(16:38:32) ‹+Azatsu› and aren't a concentrated power
(16:38:34) ‹+VCR_Working› not always
(16:38:43) ‹%kami`› hmm no
(16:38:45) ‹+Azatsu› like, for example, an one man army
(16:38:47)  » Join: Failhouse ‹~Failhouse@Welcome.to.The.House.of.Fail›
(16:38:48) ‹+AoC› I admit that for some spammers the ORAORAORA approach works
(16:38:49) ‹+VCR_Working› for people like porky, brute force won't work
(16:38:50) ‹+Azatsu› that's the impression I get
(16:38:58) ‹%kami`› if you get to be a mod someday
(16:39:04) ‹AlBorland[w]› Point is no janitor should be drawing attention to theirself. You will NEVER recieve kudos or thanks, only bitching blaming and shitposting. You gain nothing by making yourself visible.
(16:39:07) ‹+AoC› but for the ones we know that are surreptious in nature we have to be more subtle
(16:39:08) ‹%kami`› its all subtlety if you want to be a decent mod
(16:39:19) ‹%kami`› otherwise you get threads on /q/
(16:39:21) ‹+VCR_Working› we used the brute force approach on /vp/ and things are calm now
(16:39:22) ‹Anikitan› mhm
(16:39:30) ‹+VCR_Working› for the most part
(16:39:40) ‹AlBorland[w]› we're not arguing against banning these people
(16:39:43) ‹+Azatsu› with specific spammers
(16:39:49) ‹AlBorland[w]› we're saying once the BR is filed there isnt much to be done
(16:39:53) ‹+Azatsu› brute force works, at least with my experience
(16:39:54) ‹+Azatsu› but MOST of the time
(16:40:00) ‹+Azatsu› the board BURNS if you become too active
(16:40:01) ‹+AoC› the problem with brute force is that it works until you find someone as insane as you. Then it becomes a war of attrition that you cannot possibly win
(16:40:04) ‹+VCR_Working› small bits of furry, but pretty much smooth sailing
(16:40:06) ‹+VCR_Working› yeah
(16:40:07) ‹%kami`› anyways, you will learn with time
(16:40:09) ‹+AoC› while putting innocent posters in the crossfire
(16:40:15) ‹+VCR_Working› what was the term again
(16:40:30) ‹+Azatsu› I remember coming back home and having to delete like 7 pages of that dubs guy on /jp/
(16:40:32) ‹+VCR_Working› immovable rock vs unbreakable wall?
(16:40:33) ‹+Azatsu› not sure if you remember him AoC
(16:40:34) ‹Anikitan› catch 22?
(16:40:37) ‹+AoC› yup
(16:40:57) ‹Anikitan› unstoppable force vs immovable object
(16:41:00) ‹AlBorland[w]› brute force should only be done in the sense that you are consistent and file a BR for each person who needs it
(16:41:03) ‹+VCR_Working› there we go
(16:41:06) ‹AlBorland[w]› beyond that dont bother
(16:41:07) ‹+AoC› Anyway, from my experience it's better to delete only the obvious stuff
(16:41:11) ‹+VCR_Working› yeah
(16:41:16) ‹AlBorland[w]› its a matter of days/weeks/months, not minutes and hours
(16:41:25) ‹+Azatsu› yeah
(16:41:29) ‹+AoC› once they try to complain about that, the other posters turn on the spammer for trying to claim biased moderation
(16:41:31) ‹+Azatsu› but...
(16:41:35) ‹+AoC› over really obvious trolling
(16:41:44) ‹AlBorland[w]› in reality it doesn't fucking matter if some shithead gets to run amuck for 3 hours, he just will get the ire of the people being spammed
(16:41:48) ‹+Azatsu› at least from what I can tell, when you're dealing with a spammer that spams for spam and doesn't say a word about it
(16:41:53) ‹+Azatsu› just spams
(16:41:57) ‹+VCR_Working› in reality it doesn't fucking matter if some shithead gets to run amuck for 3 hours, he just will get the ire of the people being spammed
(16:42:00) ‹+VCR_Working› *>
(16:42:13) ‹+Azatsu› deleting posts work
(16:42:14) ‹+Azatsu› but
(16:42:14) ‹+VCR_Working› not when people give you shit for it
(16:42:29) ‹AlBorland[w]› stop right there
(16:42:34) ‹+AoC› hearts and minds. We cannot win if we go against both a spammer and the whole board/general thread. It's far easier when the other posters realize that you're keeping things clean. In other words, there are times where it's better to ignore global 8
(16:42:36) ‹AlBorland[w]› you arent doing shit for the approval of anyone on the board
(16:42:44) ‹+VCR_Working› wat
(16:42:47) ‹+Azatsu› well
(16:42:47) ‹AlBorland[w]› if you dont want people to hate you, dont fucking be a janitor
(16:42:54) ‹+VCR_Working› i was talking about
(16:42:55) ‹+Azatsu› I never expect anyone
(16:42:58) ‹+Azatsu› to like me
(16:42:58) ‹+VCR_Working› riling other people up
(16:43:03) ‹+Azatsu› or hate me
(16:43:04) ‹+VCR_Working› to join their cause
(16:43:13) ‹AlBorland[w]› whatever
(16:43:14) ‹AlBorland[w]› point being
(16:43:19) ‹+VCR_Working› that's where my concern is
(16:43:21) ‹AlBorland[w]› new janibros, stop being overzealous
(16:43:25) ‹AlBorland[w]› it isn't effective
(16:43:25) ‹+AoC› it's not about the opinion, but about creating more spam
(16:43:31) ‹+Azatsu› indeed
(16:43:34) ‹+AoC› it's called blowback
(16:43:47) ‹%kami`› its going to be a headache with the new janitors for the first 6 months tbh
(16:43:52) ‹+Azatsu› well
(16:43:55) ‹+Azatsu› It took me a few months to calm down
(16:44:00) ‹+Azatsu› now I'm always taking it easy
(16:44:02) ‹+AoC› if you're seen as an arbitrary force that deletes for pleasure, then others will join the original spammer in complaining
(16:44:24) ‹+AoC› http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)
(16:44:32) ‹Anikitan› the reception i've been getting has been mostly positive
(16:44:42) ‹+Azatsu› a
(16:44:45) ‹Anikitan› like for deleting spam or obvious shitposts and stuff like that
(16:44:45) ‹+Azatsu› never expect it
(16:44:53) ‹+Azatsu› because if it turns against you
(16:44:56) ‹AlBorland[w]› who gives a shit about reception
(16:44:57) ‹+Azatsu› it'll be bad
(16:45:01) ‹AlBorland[w]› you are supposed to be an unknown factor
(16:45:03) ‹Anikitan› im not saying i do
(16:45:15) ‹Anikitan› but it's impossible to be completely unnoticed
(16:45:16) ‹+Azatsu› but look
(16:45:23) ‹+AoC› nobody does AlBorland, just that bad reception can and will create retaliation spam
(16:45:25) ‹+Azatsu› it is just natural for janitors to become a known factor
(16:45:29) ‹Anikitan› unless you ban request stuff from like 2 threads ago
(16:45:32) ‹AlBorland[w]› i've been at this for over a year on /fit/ and nobody has a fucking clue
(16:45:36) ‹+AoC› like the Brian facebook thread being spammed earlier today
(16:45:36) ‹%kami`› http://images.4chan.org/jp/src/1349821860086.jpg
(16:45:37) ‹Anikitan› and ignore current threads
(16:45:43) ‹+Azatsu› yeah
(16:45:43) ‹%kami`› if only kircheis were alive...

(16:46:57) ‹+Azatsu› he has to deal with specific threads and has to babysit threads like LoL general and maybe SC2 general, I dunno
(16:47:05) ‹+Azatsu› it is a different board to janitor because of that
(16:47:13) ‹Anikitan› i wouldnt touch sc2 general with a 10 foot pole
(16:47:15) ‹+Azatsu› because you deal with posts, not threads
(16:47:18) ‹+andonuts› AlBorland: Really?
(16:47:33) ‹Anikitan› its like poking a hornets nest
(16:47:35) ‹+AoC› the difficult part of vg is not just the speed, but that it's essentially many different communities in a single place

(16:46:43) ‹AlBorland[w]› the oregon trail kid was deleting his own shit
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(16:47:18) ‹+andonuts› AlBorland: Really?
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(16:47:41) ‹AlBorland[w]› andonuts, afaik from what we gathered it wasn't any janitor or mod deleting it

(17:16:42) ‹+duanemoody› so is it indeed true that we no longer come here to report CP
(17:18:20) ‹+AoC› indeed. No longer we need to keep pinging mods hoping that someone replies
(17:18:32) ‹+AoC› since they can go faster through the ban req queues now

(17:54:50) ‹+RapeApe9k› >Janitor deletes posts
(17:54:50) ‹+RapeApe9k› >People still discuss as if nothing happened thanks to 4chanX
(17:54:50) ‹+RapeApe9k› Yep, keep wasting your precious time janitor-kun
(17:54:54) ‹+RapeApe9k› he's not wrong...
(17:56:54) ‹+WalterWhite› Yeah, I hate that about 4chan x
(17:57:02) ‹+WalterWhite› necroing dead posts
(17:57:08) ‹+WalterWhite› even making threads about the dead post