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- Session Start: Fri Jan 02 11:56:53 2015
- Session Ident: #KHWiki-noticeboard
- [11:57] * Attempting to rejoin channel #KHWiki-noticeboard
- [11:57] * Rejoined channel #KHWiki-noticeboard
- [11:57] * Topic is 'Welcome to #KHWiki-noticeboard, the official channel for business and wiki-related discussions on the subject of the independent KHWiki! Please refrain from socializing in this channel. You can do so in #KHWiki-social instead. Next Roundtable: January 2nd. Check out the current issue of the KHWiki magazine! http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Magazine/Issue_2'
- [11:57] * Set by Xion4ever!482f7d69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.47.125.105 on Sat Dec 20 13:26:25 2014
- [11:57] * ChanServ sets mode: +v KSM
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- [11:58] <VanitastheBloody> How far are we?
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- [11:59] <Pea14733> NOW
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- [12:04] <Pea14733> The first agenda is KSM's ._.
- [12:06] <Chainoffire> I kknow what it is, but I'd really like for him to be here for this
- [12:06] <Pea14733> I think I know what it is ._.
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- [12:07] <VanitastheBloody> Hey.
- [12:07] * KSM is now known as KeybladeSpyMaste
- [12:07] <Pea14733> This has ti start NOW
- [12:08] <Byzantinefire> Agreed.
- [12:08] <AiXon> I'm all ears. ^^
- [12:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok
- [12:08] <Chainoffire> Good morning/evening/afternon everyone!
- [12:08] <MateusinhoEX> Here
- [12:09] <FifteenthMember> Guys
- [12:09] <FifteenthMember> Let's start
- [12:09] <Pea14733> So
- [12:09] <ENX> Agreed.
- [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Operation: Keychain
- [12:09] * FifteenthMember leans closer in
- [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It is basically a plan for the wiki for the next year.
- [12:09] <Chainoffire> probably the most imporatant thing on the agenda
- [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It started modestly towards the beginning of the month.
- [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Now we're at 10 pages.
- [12:09] <FifteenthMember> Ahem
- [12:09] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?page=view&resid=D3B9337A3DDD0869!25229&authkey=!APu1hi8c_kMdaLM
- [12:09] <FifteenthMember> link?
- [12:10] <FifteenthMember> woaah
- [12:10] <FifteenthMember> this is legit
- [12:10] <FifteenthMember> ^_^
- [12:10] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> With this, I officially move to close MegaProject: Arise. The only thing left is rolling over to Operation: Keychain, so we can call it good.
- [12:11] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 90% Complete, after all
- [12:11] <Chainoffire> agreed
- [12:11] <Pea14733> Ten pages O_o
- [12:11] <MateusinhoEX> Well, I'm member of at least 2 or 3 KH brazilian groups on Facebook
- [12:11] <Chainoffire> don't worry, we'll go over it al
- [12:11] <Chainoffire> **all
- [12:11] <MateusinhoEX> So I can share the Let's Play links with them, which would take some traffic here
- [12:11] <Pea14733> ^And podcast
- [12:12] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The whole thing is up for debate at anytime, really, but I think we should go down the list. I feel the first thing on it is the most important.
- [12:12] <Pea14733> I think I'll need a little time to rea all this ._.
- [12:12] <Pea14733> read*
- [12:12] <Chainoffire> we'll just go over it
- [12:12] <FifteenthMember> And I need to go
- [12:12] <FifteenthMember> wai
- [12:12] <FifteenthMember> >.>
- [12:12] <FifteenthMember> I'm sad
- [12:12] <Chainoffire> first of all, what's the whole point of this thing? we have 4 main goals
- [12:13] <Chainoffire> 1. Increase both of our traffics
- [12:14] <Chainoffire> 2. strengthen the bond between the sites
- [12:14] <Chainoffire> 3. efine, Strengthen and Expand the focus and coverage of the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and The Keyhole
- [12:14] <Chainoffire> **Define
- [12:14] <Chainoffire> 4. Increase internet recognition of both the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and The Keyhole
- [12:15] <Chainoffire> our wiki has been too focused on internal affiars that we've forgotten who we are
- [12:15] <Chainoffire> and what we're supposed to do
- [12:15] <MateusinhoEX> I'm down on the Affliations part
- [12:16] <MateusinhoEX> I definnitely agree with unifying both
- [12:16] <MateusinhoEX> There's plenty of content we could use from KH Insider and Destiny Islands, for example.
- [12:16] <Chainoffire> Chainging grammar, making fancy templates, and designing our skin are good things to do, but we need to do more than that
- [12:17] <Chainoffire> people don't come here for good grammar, fancy templates and shiny skin. The come here to find where the goshd*** mushrooms are in the first game
- [12:17] <MateusinhoEX> Basically, one of the mst important things is fill the most possible ocntent
- [12:17] <MateusinhoEX> *content
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- [12:17] <MateusinhoEX> like, completing every stub page, add missing animations and sprites
- [12:18] <Chainoffire> ehh.. that's still a bit internal, but it is definatly stuff that needs work
- [12:18] <Chainoffire> I'm not saying it's bad to do these things, I'm just saying our primary focus should be elsewhere
- [12:19] <Pea14733> True
- [12:19] <MateusinhoEX> I think I got it.
- [12:19] <MateusinhoEX> Focus on showing the wiki to more people
- [12:19] <MateusinhoEX> Getting more users and people to help
- [12:19] <Chainoffire> exactly
- [12:20] <MateusinhoEX> That's the main objective of the Magazine, for example
- [12:20] <VanitastheBloody> I'll put the time in.
- [12:20] <Chainoffire> right, and it's working wonderfuly.
- [12:20] <VanitastheBloody> To rewrite the articles.
- [12:20] <Chainoffire> when it gets out o time
- [12:20] <AiXon> Just a side note, for all the wikis involved, there are a huge number of KH fan pages for different characters on Facebook, some of which I follow. Asking for advertisement of the wikis might be a good idea. Just a thought
- [12:20] <Chainoffire> **on
- [12:20] <ENX> Forgive me for sounding dumb, but is it possible we could make the Wiki more like it was in its "glory days," before we all became so uptight and strict? I'm not saying allow our users to spit in the wind and do whatever, but it'd be nice if editing could feel less like unpaid work.
- [12:21] <ENX> Is it possible to do that through this project, I mean.
- [12:21] <Chainoffire> Yes, yes it is
- [12:21] <Chainoffire> and that's on our big 10 page list of stuff as well
- [12:21] <ENX> I mean we're all fans of Kingdom Hearts when you get down to it
- [12:21] <ENX> No one is better than anyone, smarter than anyone. It's like we're all friends who come to a gathering and geek out by sharing our knowledge.
- [12:22] <MateusinhoEX> I really think we can. I was very pleased when I saw you guys are making a Let's Play series
- [12:22] <Pea14733> Wait, what was the reason we became this strict?
- [12:22] <Chainoffire> KSM, would you take over here?
- [12:22] <Chainoffire> I'll be back shortly
- [12:23] <ENX> I don't realyl know why we were so strict. All I know is when I first joined, there were certain staffers who became inactive and were replaced with different staffers who had different objectives. And because the Wiki became a hierarchy with that change in staff, things started going downhill and our Wiki received a very bad reputation. I can't tell you how many negative comments I've read about us on this and other Wikis o
- [12:23] <ENX> Also how much traffic we lost when the Wikis split.
- [12:24] <ENX> So many people decided they'd rather be on the less-strict Keyhole.
- [12:24] <ENX> And for the longest time, KHWiki was mostly dead as a result.
- [12:24] <Pea14733> True
- [12:24] <VanitastheBloody> I
- [12:24] <MateusinhoEX> What I noticed, is that The Keyhole was really more, let's say, "famous" than the Wiki
- [12:25] <VanitastheBloody> I'm not sure how to make it un-strict
- [12:25] <MateusinhoEX> It was focusing more on users than content
- [12:25] <Pea14733> I don't feel that this khwiki is "strict"
- [12:25] <MateusinhoEX> ANd the KHWiki was the inverse
- [12:25] <ENX> What I envision is a warm, welcoming site where everyone's opinion matters and we try to work out what is best, rather than oppressing what people want.
- [12:25] <ENX> Basically what we need is a balance.
- [12:25] <ENX> For this "Greater Wiki"
- [12:25] <Byzantinefire> Doesn't everything need balance?
- [12:26] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> brb. Breakfast
- [12:26] <MateusinhoEX> A balance between both the Keyhole and the WIki
- [12:26] <VanitastheBloody> If we could combine them agian somehow.
- [12:26] <ENX> Like, "At KHWiki, we focus on the content, but we won't shoot you for talking to a friend via their talk page if they can't come on the IRC."
- [12:26] <Pea14733> Isn't that normal? ._.
- [12:27] <Pea14733> I think people just got a bad image on the word "strict"
- [12:27] <AiXon> The atmosphere on the Keyhole is created entirely by the users, as well as the staff, and there's no pressure to do things (If you volunteer for something, you're free to spend as much time as you want sorting it out). More enjoyment is had in the process...
- [12:27] <ENX> All I know is how i felt on the Wiki when I first joined vs. when the staff was changed.
- [12:27] <ENX> I once compared the KH Wiki and the goings-on there to Animal Farm
- [12:27] <ENX> If anyone's read that book
- [12:27] <Byzantinefire> Oh that book.
- [12:28] <VanitastheBloody> I heard of it, I think.
- [12:28] <Byzantinefire> Its a good book.
- [12:28] <Chainoffire> I hope you don't feel like the wiki is an Orwellian system
- [12:28] <Chainoffire> because that's not what we want
- [12:28] <MateusinhoEX> I understand ENX. I entered the KHWiki just after it's separation from the Keyhole. I htink that's the point were the wiki ended up more content focused, and users started to get that bad image
- [12:28] <ENX> Chainoffire, for the longest time, I felt like we were using an Orwellian system.
- [12:28] <Byzantinefire> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm here it is.
- [12:28] <ENX> And I got grief for expressing how I felt.
- [12:29] <VanitastheBloody> I really have no problem with this wiki the way it is now actually.
- [12:29] <VanitastheBloody> It's nice, and sociable.
- [12:29] <ENX> For the longest time, I felt antagonized by the community, and that was why I left for so long and lost my administrator rights.
- [12:29] <VanitastheBloody> What's strict about it, ENX?
- [12:29] <FinalRest> I get it too. I was one of the ones that moved to the KHWiki, only to move back to the Keyhole permanently
- [12:29] <MateusinhoEX> Like, if here they could not get any interaction with the other users, only having to focus on feeling pages, which is not true. If it weren't for you guys, maybe I would never have played KH3D, for example :)
- [12:29] <ENX> Well see, here's the thing
- [12:29] <Byzantinefire> Well i know that feeling ENX.
- [12:30] <MateusinhoEX> *filling pages, sorry :p
- [12:30] <VanitastheBloody> Matesuinho, how often are you here?
- [12:30] <Pea14733> He used to be a regular
- [12:30] <Pea14733> Now he has stuffs
- [12:31] <ENX> With MegaProject:Arise, I feel like people such as FM and KSM made valiant efforts to revive the KH Wiki into what it was. Honestly, the Wikis only split because the staff at the top of the pecking order decided they hated Wikia's overruling formatting changes.
- [12:31] <MateusinhoEX> Like, 1 year ago I left, and I was here for another whole one
- [12:31] <ENX> They found it grounds to say "We're a content site, and our old site is being left to become a fansite."
- [12:31] <VanitastheBloody> Fansite?
- [12:31] <Chainoffire> "We're only a wiki." - A forum from long ago
- [12:31] <Pea14733> Aren't we all fansites XD
- [12:31] <VanitastheBloody> I don't get it.
- [12:31] <Chainoffire> true dat
- [12:32] <ENX> I honestly don't know if I made the right choice to stay on the KHWiki...I never felt like I belonged or mattered. Even as an admin, I started feeling like I was elected only to fill a slot, not because I was considered worthy and deserving of the position.
- [12:32] <MateusinhoEX> We have to find a way to restore that image, to show that here there are also nice people behind the editors which are ready to help
- [12:32] <Byzantinefire> It could have worse.
- [12:32] <Pea14733> Aww come on. You worked so much
- [12:33] <ENX> I've put so much work into the Wiki and gotten so much negativity in return that I really do feel like it's an Orwellian site.
- [12:33] <ENX> I don't mean to complain guys, not at all.
- [12:33] <MateusinhoEX> And ENX, I really think you deserve the position, just for the small time we worked on the first magazine
- [12:33] <VanitastheBloody> Me too.
- [12:33] <ENX> Well that was something I wanted to ask about, giving my rights back.
- [12:33] <VanitastheBloody> I try to become like you simply because I want to become an Admin :p
- [12:33] <Chainoffire> actually ENX, that's also something we wanted to cover
- [12:34] <ENX> I'm here a lot more now, despite college, and with this new era of the Wiki, I feel as if I could really make a difference there
- [12:34] <ENX> And the Keyhole
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- [12:34] <ENX> I care about both sites. I just never understood the Keyhole :P That's my bad.
- [12:34] <MateusinhoEX> LIke, I feel the opposite as ENX. I sometimes feel bad for leaving you guys, leaving some of the things I started unfinished. Because I different from other users, saw the good side of the wiki.
- [12:34] <ENX> Well I did too
- [12:34] <ENX> It was certain people I couldn't stand :P
- [12:34] <Chainoffire> ENX: no problem, we're not exactly black and white
- [12:34] <Pea14733> I do, MEX
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- [12:35] <MateusinhoEX> Everyone helped me make the first template (The Drive Forms one), one thing I never knew how to do, never had worked with codes before.
- [12:35] <ENX> All I know is there are plenty of times with my resumed activity that I feel like "This would be so much easier if I could just block this vandal/delete this page myself/move this image myself." Those are times when no one is around but me.
- [12:36] * TheSilentHero (541af050@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.26.240.80) Quit
- [12:36] <ENX> A perfect example of what I'm talking about is my talk page. If you look at the earlier archives vs. the later ones, you can basically see the change in the Wiki right there from what it was to is.
- [12:36] <Byzantinefire> This seems so familiar.
- [12:37] <MateusinhoEX> I think we are on the right way. The return of the Featured User and the Mirage Arena are a good example. It was because of them I started editing after all. My initial goal was to be a Featured User, and be able to vote for the brackets
- [12:37] <ENX> This is basically the dawn of a new era. MegaProject:Arise was a huge success for so many reasons. It increased traffic and it also got me editing again because I noticed a change.
- [12:37] <MateusinhoEX> Those will sure bring new users and restore the friendly image of us
- [12:37] <MateusinhoEX> THE MAGAZINE MAN THAT IS AWESOME!
- [12:38] <Pea14733> Oh my god you don't know how touched I feel right now XD
- [12:38] <MateusinhoEX> I never told you guys, but I plan to store money to get PS4 and KH3 on release date to get working with them here ASP :)
- [12:39] <ENX> I don't mean to share a sob story, but I remember when I actually used to have friends on the Wiki. They were my only friends in the world. Now I basically have nobody, due to absence and my own hesitance to edit. I feel like the past few months on the KH Wiki when things were bad for us created a negative image of myself in everyone's mind. Maybe I'm just paranoid....
- [12:39] <VanitastheBloody> I'll be your friend.
- [12:39] <ANX219> <3
- [12:39] * VanitastheBloody handshakes
- [12:40] <ENX> But people like KSM, Vanitas, basically everyone at the Keyhole...you guys are all so warm and close-seeming to each other that I get jealous :P
- [12:40] <Byzantinefire> Well i could expand your circle of friends.
- [12:40] <Pea14733> Yeah
- [12:40] <ENX> I want to be in on all the major projects and such :P
- [12:40] <Draaek> We can all be friends dw, wiki is amazing for bringing people together and I talk for both Keyhole and Wiki
- [12:40] <ANX219> internet is amazing for bringing people together
- [12:40] <ANX219> T~T
- [12:40] <VanitastheBloody> We should combine them. somehow.
- [12:40] <Pea14733> Yeah
- [12:40] <ENX> But we're not here to be sappy. My point is that I feel like the Wiki really lost something.
- [12:40] <Pea14733> We lost the fun of "community"
- [12:41] <VanitastheBloody> internet = my RL
- [12:41] <ENX> Like we may have comprehensive articles, sure, but we're only operating at 50% capacity, I feel like.
- [12:41] <MateusinhoEX> BUt I think it's getting taht thing back :)
- [12:41] <VanitastheBloody> We need more bonding instead of working
- [12:41] <ENX> Exactly!
- [12:41] <ANX219> that's why i proposed user trivia
- [12:41] <MateusinhoEX> Sorry for my english guys, its a little unused latelly
- [12:41] <FinalRest> What the Keyhole lost was a reason for existence. Kind of the opposite problem of the KHWiki. :P
- [12:41] <ENX> Exactly :P
- [12:42] <ANX219> so we could learn the weird stuff about each other and bond over the random stuff
- [12:42] <ENX> See, this is so Vanitas/Ventus
- [12:42] <MateusinhoEX> One thing I really liked in the Magazine was the interview
- [12:42] <ENX> Actually, the two wikis are EXACTLY like Ventus and Vanitas
- [12:42] <MateusinhoEX> and that is just the thing, together with the let's play and walkthroughs
- [12:42] <MateusinhoEX> that can bond us together
- [12:42] <VanitastheBloody> I don't know about that XD
- [12:42] <FinalRest> Is the Keyhole Ventus?
- [12:42] <ENX> I'd like to think those types of things are just a step in the right direction, though.
- [12:42] <Pea14733> Yeah and we're Vanitas
- [12:42] <VanitastheBloody> Yep.
- [12:42] <MateusinhoEX> Kinda
- [12:42] <Byzantinefire> No i don't see it like that.
- [12:42] <ANX219> i was having ideas of like a google hangout but that's like irc but seeing each other xD
- [12:42] <Byzantinefire> its not equal.
- [12:43] <VanitastheBloody> "What's yours, is mine."
- [12:43] <MateusinhoEX> We have the Negativity :p
- [12:43] <Pea14733> Anyway guys
- [12:43] <Pea14733> What do we do?
- [12:43] <ENX> And well, the point I wanted to make with that comment was this: we're broken, not whole...we have the potential to FORGE THE X-BLADE
- [12:43] <ENX> Meaning, we both have what the other needs.
- [12:43] <ENX> Our Wiki's hearts are shattered, to continue the metaphor.
- [12:43] <Byzantinefire> Your implying a merge.
- [12:43] <Pea14733> I think we had this merge discussion long ago
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- [12:44] <FifteenthMember> GUYS
- [12:44] <Pea14733> I was in favor for it
- [12:44] <FifteenthMember> I'M BACK
- [12:44] <FifteenthMember> WHEE
- [12:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> back
- [12:44] <FifteenthMember> may I have a log
- [12:44] <FifteenthMember> please?
- [12:44] <MateusinhoEX> wb FM
- [12:44] <ANX219> can you elaborate Pea xD
- [12:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Where are we?
- [12:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I can look back, but it's super long.
- [12:44] <ANX219> metaphors and bonding and such
- [12:45] <FifteenthMember> does that mean
- [12:45] * Pea14733 is finding the forum thread
- [12:45] <FifteenthMember> I don't get a log?
- [12:45] <FifteenthMember> I cri ;_;
- [12:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Can't believe I missed so much in 20 minutes.
- [12:45] <ENX> I could see how you'd think that, but that's not really what I'm saying. I'm thinking on a larger scale, the "Grand Wiki"
- [12:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, give me a sec
- [12:45] <Byzantinefire> Two sides of a coin that is no longer currency.
- [12:46] <ENX> Like, we can stay separate, but I feel as if both sites should draw elements from the other.
- [12:46] <FifteenthMember> KSM
- [12:46] <FifteenthMember> You are amazing
- [12:46] <FifteenthMember> Thank you :D
- [12:46] <MateusinhoEX> I agree with ENX
- [12:46] <MateusinhoEX> I don't think merging both wikis again is the point
- [12:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> No
- [12:46] <MateusinhoEX> Each one has it's diferences
- [12:46] <Pea14733> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Merge_Decision
- [12:46] <MateusinhoEX> But I really think we should bond them together
- [12:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And the very reason we left is about to get worse if anyone saw Wikia's plan for the future.
- [12:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree with MEX
- [12:47] <Pea14733> I remember seeing some comments on th Keygole about it
- [12:47] <Byzantinefire> It doesn't seem that bad.
- [12:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM http://pastebin.com/Hmr0SHxz
- [12:47] <FifteenthMember> KSM, you get another cookie
- [12:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yay!
- [12:48] <MateusinhoEX> I for example, still don't like Wikia's style. I feel kinda lost when searching for images there, for example.
- [12:48] <Pea14733> I'm pretty sure most of khwiki.net (at the time) agreed with the merge
- [12:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Guys, so, we have a few things for the first section, now that I'm kinda here more perma-style compared to the first hour.
- [12:48] <MateusinhoEX> What don't happens with the name spaces here
- [12:48] <Sove> The new skin Wikia is developing is already causing rage on some FFWiki designers
- [12:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> of the Roundtable
- [12:48] <Pea14733> However, the Keyhole was like "WHY? WE DN"T NEED THEM"
- [12:48] <Sove> Because their ads will for example fuck over the infoboxes
- [12:49] <Sove> And you can't really fix that
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- [12:49] <ENX> Right, Wikia's formatting is atrocious.
- [12:49] <Byzantinefire> I don't have a problem with ads.
- [12:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Xion4ever
- [12:49] <ANX219> the reason we merged was because of the freedom of design and not to be supressed by the disgraceful oasis skin
- [12:49] <Sove> The same type of infoboxes khwiki has
- [12:49] <Sove> They would be utterly broken by the new upcoming skin
- [12:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Hey Xion, you're here!
- [12:49] <FifteenthMember> Wow
- [12:49] <FifteenthMember> Someone brought up Animal Farm
- [12:49] <ENX> Guilty as charged
- [12:49] <FifteenthMember> I nominate this roundtable to be the Best Roundtable in History
- [12:50] <+Xion4ever> Sorry I'm late. Just got back form out of town.
- [12:50] <ANX219> i gave her the log dont worry
- [12:50] <+Xion4ever> So, where are we?
- [12:50] <ANX219> animal farm where
- [12:50] <MateusinhoEX> ike, I don1t know if any of the infoboxes I helped design would work at the Keyhole
- [12:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Xion, I think they've been discussing the history and such. Not much on actual decisions.
- [12:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But that's fine.
- [12:51] <+Xion4ever> Okay. Are we still on Operation: Keychain?
- [12:51] <Pea14733> Yeds
- [12:51] <Pea14733> Yes*
- [12:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> http://pastebin.com/Hmr0SHxz
- [12:51] <ENX> I'm sorry I went off on such a tangent
- [12:51] <Pea14733> My fingernails are long so lots of typo >.>
- [12:52] <MateusinhoEX> So resumig that topic
- [12:52] <Pea14733> What do we do
- [12:52] <FifteenthMember> Okie
- [12:52] <Pea14733> ?
- [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So, we kinda need to get on the actual meat of Operation: Keychain.
- [12:52] <MateusinhoEX> MAN MY ENGLISH IS F****** BAD TODAY
- [12:52] <FifteenthMember> So I've caught up
- [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ultimately, it evolved to somewhat include the Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki
- [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 'Cept no one from there is here...
- [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But that's fine.
- [12:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So. "a. What is the nature of the three wikis (khwiki.com, kingdomhearts.wikia.com, and kingdomheartsfanon.wikia.com)?"
- [12:53] <FifteenthMember> 19:51:53] <Pea14733> My fingernails are long so lots of typo >.>
- [12:53] <Byzantinefire> Well your here aren't you.
- [12:53] <FifteenthMember> rofl
- [12:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> "Clarify the purpose, aim, and goals of each wiki, especially The Keyhole. Promote those aims and goals."
- [12:53] <FifteenthMember> Okay
- [12:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We've had some problem over the last two days trying to clarify The Keyhole's purpose.
- [12:53] <Pea14733> ^
- [12:54] <ENX> All I understand about the Keyhole is what was left after KHWiki became a thing.
- [12:54] <FifteenthMember> Alright
- [12:54] <ANX219> i have always had a problem with why does the keyhole exist
- [12:54] <FifteenthMember> So, here's what I think
- [12:54] <ENX> So it had all our old content-focused articles, and then it was left to do what it wanted.
- [12:54] <FinalRest> We're toted as "fansite", but what does that even mean? No proper content save for fandom sections?
- [12:54] <FifteenthMember> The KHWiki aims to be the full encyclopedia
- [12:54] <FifteenthMember> With total professionalism
- [12:55] <FifteenthMember> All based on the GAMES
- [12:55] <FifteenthMember> But actually
- [12:55] <MateusinhoEX> With the most possible and complete content
- [12:55] <ENX> I believe KrytenKoro's description of hte Keyhole was that it was allowed to include speculation, that sort of thing.
- [12:55] <FifteenthMember> The manga and song projects contradicts that
- [12:55] <FifteenthMember> So, perhaps we've grown out of that
- [12:55] <FifteenthMember> The Keyhole focus is FANDOM
- [12:55] <FifteenthMember> So including info on cosplays, events, real life, that sort of thing
- [12:55] <Pea14733> NO, we have khfanon for that
- [12:55] <ANX219> keyhole ~ khwiki with less details and fanart
- [12:55] <FinalRest> ^
- [12:55] <FinalRest> Which sucks
- [12:55] <FifteenthMember> I don't know what's on fanon
- [12:56] <FifteenthMember> I thought that was fanfics
- [12:56] <FifteenthMember> And stuff
- [12:56] <Draaek> I'm like fm I have no idea what to define as fanon
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- [12:56] <ENX> I believe the KHWiki should still be content and all that professionalism, but something important we mentioned earlier with my sob story and all that was we need a stronger sense of and support for COMMUNITY
- [12:56] <+Xion4ever> Guys.
- [12:56] <FifteenthMember> Honestly
- [12:56] <FifteenthMember> I like the KHWiki community
- [12:56] <FifteenthMember> I wasn't here in the pre-merge days
- [12:57] <FifteenthMember> But everyone on the KHWiki, including all the admins, are nice imo
- [12:57] <ANX219> twas a workload i was absent for
- [12:57] <ENX> You came into it, FM, when things were starting to get better
- [12:57] <+Xion4ever> Guys.
- [12:57] <+Xion4ever> We're getting off track.
- [12:57] <FifteenthMember> Okay
- [12:57] <FifteenthMember> The KHWiki does do community after MegaProject Arise anyways
- [12:58] <MateusinhoEX> WHich means were on the right track
- [12:58] <MateusinhoEX> One thing we need to restore this year
- [12:58] <MateusinhoEX> is the End of Year Event
- [12:58] <FifteenthMember> err
- [12:58] <FifteenthMember> We done that
- [12:58] <FifteenthMember> lol
- [12:58] <ENX> I've already stated how I feel that was just a step in the right direction, not an end
- [12:58] <FifteenthMember> I spent ages on it
- [12:58] <MateusinhoEX> Really?... I... missed it?... But I checked....
- [12:59] <MateusinhoEX> *starts crying*
- [12:59] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=KHWiki%3AEnd+of+Year+Event+2014
- [12:59] <FifteenthMember> 2015 MEX, 2016
- [12:59] <FifteenthMember> *2015
- [12:59] * FifteenthMember pats shoulder
- [12:59] <FifteenthMember> The purpose of the Keyhole
- [13:00] <FifteenthMember> Could be like simple wikipedia
- [13:00] <FifteenthMember> Where it's all summarised
- [13:00] <Pea14733> I don't think so
- [13:00] <ANX219> that's what i see it as so far
- [13:01] <+Xion4ever> FinalRest Chainoffire Draaek : What do you guys want the Keyhole to be?
- [13:01] <+Xion4ever> I don't think anyone ever asked you guys what your thoughts are.
- [13:01] <Draaek> well if I can be honest I'm still new to all of this
- [13:01] <Draaek> but I agree to some extent with anx, before joining wiki I would come to keyhole to learn about KH
- [13:02] <Chainoffire> good question.
- [13:02] <Draaek> but I ended moving to khwiki for more detailed info once I started playing
- [13:02] <Chainoffire> But we came up with an idea
- [13:02] * FifteenthMember leans in
- [13:02] <MateusinhoEX> me is same as Draaek
- [13:02] <Chainoffire> So, here me out
- [13:02] <Chainoffire> first of all let's get something straight
- [13:02] * ENX listens
- [13:03] <Chainoffire> Both sites have pros and cons
- [13:03] <FifteenthMember> yep
- [13:03] <Chainoffire> NO SITE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER. ELITISM WILL NOT BE TOLERATED
- [13:03] <FifteenthMember> yep
- [13:03] <Pea14733> Yeah
- [13:03] <Chainoffire> You can have opinoins, but that doesn't make you better than the other peson
- [13:03] <FifteenthMember> but if we ever do an end of year event 2015 between the two wikis
- [13:03] <FifteenthMember> ...we're going to win
- [13:03] * FifteenthMember is shot
- [13:03] <FifteenthMember> Joking
- [13:03] <ANX219> shhhhhhhhh
- [13:03] <Draaek> ^
- [13:03] <Pea14733> ^
- [13:04] <MateusinhoEX> ^
- [13:04] <FifteenthMember> sorry o_O
- [13:04] <Chainoffire> ^^
- [13:04] <Chainoffire> anyways
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- [13:04] <FifteenthMember> rip
- [13:04] <Chainoffire> Now here me out completely before you go bananas
- [13:04] * FifteenthMember zips
- [13:04] <Chainoffire> Our idea is to split the sites
- [13:04] <Chainoffire> info
- [13:05] * MateusinhoEX shut up
- [13:05] * ANX219 hands fm a stress toy (be quiet now)
- [13:05] <FifteenthMember> >.>
- [13:05] <Chainoffire> We would have some of the information be hosted at The Keyhole, and other info at khwiki.com
- [13:05] <Chainoffire> Worlds at Keyhole, Characters at khwiki.com, etc.
- [13:06] <Pea14733> .....what
- [13:06] * ENX is already not ok with this
- [13:06] <Chainoffire> whatever site has the info, the other one would have a list
- [13:06] <Chainoffire> LISTEN.
- [13:06] <Byzantinefire> Sounds extreme.
- [13:06] <MateusinhoEX> OKay, were listening.
- [13:06] <FifteenthMember> I'll wait til the end
- [13:07] <Chainoffire> ever since the merge, heck even the split, one site has gotten the short end of the stick over the other
- [13:07] <Byzantinefire> the keyhole you mean.
- [13:07] <Chainoffire> The keyhole is down to like.. 4 editors, and khwiki.net is behind on info
- [13:07] <FinalRest> Split: KHWiki was shafted. Merge: Keyhole was
- [13:08] <Chainoffire> exactly
- [13:08] <FifteenthMember> Alright, continue~
- [13:08] <Chainoffire> this way we could split the information and become one site in a sense.
- [13:08] <Pea14733> It'd be seriously troublesome
- [13:08] <MateusinhoEX> Wait, Keyhole pages have more info and details than the Khwiki ones now? Sorry, I was absent, you know...
- [13:08] <FifteenthMember> I'm against it
- [13:09] <FifteenthMember> It sounds like the perfect way to make all our visitors run away to be honest
- [13:09] <Chainoffire> The information would be spread equally. No one would become "just an archive fansite"
- [13:09] <FifteenthMember> We were always the same community in two different places
- [13:09] <Chainoffire> except were not
- [13:09] <MateusinhoEX> I'm also against it. That would be bad for both.
- [13:09] <Pea14733> I think a complete merge sounds better ...
- [13:10] <FifteenthMember> Ideally, yes. Being one site would be the best
- [13:10] <Sove> And all of this could have been avoided if the khwiki.net community didn't just leave keyhole to fend for itself, like it did. Choose a few admins there and leave it to fend for itself >_>
- [13:10] <Chainoffire> can i finisih?
- [13:10] <FifteenthMember> Oh, I thought you have. sorry >.>
- [13:10] <Chainoffire> NO ONE SITE IS TO BLAME
- [13:10] <Draaek> guys really let chain finish the idea and then we all give out opinions
- [13:10] <Chainoffire> THE MORE WE KEEP PUSHING THE BLAME AROUND THE MORE WE BECOME BROKEN
- [13:11] <Chainoffire> let's look at the sites now. How many people edit at both the keyhole and khwiki.com?
- [13:11] <MateusinhoEX> We are quiet. PLease, finish.
- [13:11] * Chainoffire is a slow think-typer
- [13:12] <FifteenthMember> About five at the keyhole, ten at KHWiki, I'd say
- [13:12] <FifteenthMember> Oh
- [13:12] <Chainoffire> No..
- [13:12] <ENX> I am in agreement that no one and no site is superior. But I feel like the KHWiki's the site that should be the primary source of info, since that was what it was created for. Yes, it was wrong to be abandoned. KHWiki was only made so we could be independent from Wikia. I'd like to think of KHWiki as a site like Bulbapedia, yet we're still connected to the Wikia site...
- [13:12] <FifteenthMember> "both" >.>
- [13:12] <FifteenthMember> never mind
- [13:12] <Chainoffire> How many people edit both.
- [13:12] <FifteenthMember> No one edits at both, no
- [13:12] <Chainoffire> ^
- [13:12] * ENX would edit both if he actually knew what the heck the Keyhole was for
- [13:12] <Byzantinefire> Wait i edit both on occasion.
- [13:12] <Chainoffire> and yet we're one community? bull.
- [13:13] <FifteenthMember> Except we share in the same community events
- [13:13] <Chainoffire> *sigh*
- [13:13] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Two
- [13:13] <FifteenthMember> The only difference between us the mainspace
- [13:13] <MateusinhoEX> Guys
- [13:13] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> You and FR
- [13:13] <MateusinhoEX> when you considered merging...
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- [13:13] <FifteenthMember> Hey NZ
- [13:13] <Chainoffire> yes. we do stuff together, but who actually edits at both sites?
- [13:13] <Neumannz> Hey
- [13:13] <MateusinhoEX> have you ever considered merging to the KHwiki, not to the Keyhole?
- [13:14] <FifteenthMember> Except, no one was meant to edit at both
- [13:14] <Chainoffire> MEX: I'll give you a little insight on that
- [13:14] <FifteenthMember> The point was the KHWiki is for one purpose
- [13:14] <FifteenthMember> And the Keyhole is for another
- [13:14] <Chainoffire> I would come to khwiki.com
- [13:14] <MateusinhoEX> Like, stop using Wikia, the thing that caused all the trouble.
- [13:14] <Chainoffire> I would LOVE to just go to khwiki.com
- [13:14] <Chainoffire> "the thing" stop it.
- [13:15] <Chainoffire> There's one problem for keyhole users
- [13:15] <MateusinhoEX> sorry
- [13:16] <MateusinhoEX> So what is the problem?
- [13:17] <Pea14733> The community is split
- [13:17] <Chainoffire> At the keyhole, we've edited like crazy, made our own democracy after we've been left to clean the rubble, come to power and build the site to what it is, created memories, and occasionally review an anime or two. (The last ones minor, but it's still a little something.)
- [13:17] <Chainoffire> If we were to come to the .net, we'd lose all that
- [13:18] <MateusinhoEX> oh...
- [13:18] <FifteenthMember> can I speak?
- [13:18] <Chainoffire> the 2 past years of editing would've been for nothing.
- [13:18] <Chainoffire> Yes 15M?
- [13:18] <FifteenthMember> IDEALLY, joining the two sites would solve all the problems.
- [13:18] <FifteenthMember> But we've already gone way too far to do that
- [13:18] <FifteenthMember> We definitely need some solution to Keyhole's problem
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- [13:19] <FifteenthMember> However, splitting the content between sites like that is definitely not the right way to go about things
- [13:19] <FifteenthMember> It'll ruin both sites
- [13:19] <Chainoffire> do you have another suggestion?
- [13:19] <MateusinhoEX> I agree with FM.
- [13:19] <FifteenthMember> What I am thinking is that the KHWiki covers all the game info, like it was originally conceputalised
- [13:20] <MateusinhoEX> If were at the point fo spliting the content on both, needing to use both as f they were one
- [13:20] <FifteenthMember> And the Keyhole covers manga, novel, music etc.
- [13:20] <FifteenthMember> THat's a much better way to "split" the content
- [13:20] <ENX> I honestly think that perhaps we're going about this the wrong way
- [13:20] <FifteenthMember> Than disjointing everything
- [13:21] <Draaek> but wouldnt that create more attention to khwiki than to keyhole?
- [13:21] <MateusinhoEX> I really think that the soluting here would be the merge.FMs idea is not good too. Draaek is right.
- [13:21] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> As in closing khwiki.com?
- [13:21] <MateusinhoEX> What exactly would be missing from the Keyhole if we merged, CoF?
- [13:22] <Chainoffire> That's kind of what we're going for FM. I just used poor examples ^.^'
- [13:22] <MateusinhoEX> No, KSM. Mos of our templates wouldn't work on Wikia
- [13:22] <Chainoffire> KSM: We don't want to completely go back to the tyrranny of wikia
- [13:22] <MateusinhoEX> What I tought was, merge the content of Keyhole that is missing from the Wiki to here.
- [13:22] <ENX> We've been constantly trying to float back and forth between the two sites, for one reason or another. I honestly think we should be independent of each other, but on good terms. Again, I'll use the example of Bulbapedia vs. The Pokémon Wiki. Both are the "ultimate" Pokémon site for NEIWA and Wikia, respectively. Yet they exist independently of each other, don't compete, et cetera.
- [13:22] <Chainoffire> KSM: then all the edits on khwiki.com would be useless
- [13:23] <ENX> There's no reason why one site should have something that the other doesn't.
- [13:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I know, I just wondered if that's what MEX meant.
- [13:23] <FifteenthMember> All the partnerships, magazine, podcasts, LPs, joint projects are pointless
- [13:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm against closing khwiki.com
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- [13:23] <MateusinhoEX> ENX example is a good one.
- [13:23] <FifteenthMember> closing khwiki.com is not an option, agreed
- [13:23] <Chainoffire> ENX: Then we'd be competing against each otehr
- [13:23] <ENX> Not true, Chainoffire.
- [13:23] <ENX> If there's a way to get the Keyhole to a point where that would not be necessary...
- [13:24] <FifteenthMember> Any response on my idea?
- [13:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> What'd I miss?
- [13:24] <FifteenthMember> The KHWiki stays completely in-universe with the game
- [13:24] <FifteenthMember> with the Keyhole linking in lists etc. as it does now
- [13:24] <FifteenthMember> And the Keyhole having all our manga, song, novel pages
- [13:25] <FifteenthMember> With us linking to them in lists
- [13:25] <Chainoffire> I can work with that
- [13:25] <+Xion4ever> Splitting information is a bad idea
- [13:25] <ENX> Your idea, FM, would personally make me feel like our site was missing something.
- [13:25] <Chainoffire> kinda like The Keyhole?
- [13:25] <ENX> I want to edit on a KH site that has it all, not have to go to one place to work on one thing and then to another to work on something else.
- [13:25] <MateusinhoEX> Splitting is not the way.
- [13:25] <ENX> Like I said just now, there is no reason why one site should have something that the other doesn't.
- [13:26] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think in general, we're against splitting the content altogether. Rather than try and split the stick, as Chain used that metaphor earlier, more evenly, why not make the stick bigger?
- [13:26] <MateusinhoEX> That's why I think the merge is the option
- [13:26] <Draaek> well I have to go, sry for not being able to give much of my opinion in this
- [13:26] <Sove> Merging the content of the wikis leads nowhere. The reason is, why have two sites of equal content?
- [13:26] <Chainoffire> KSM: how so?
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- [13:27] <MateusinhoEX> i still don't know what content of the Keyhole is exactly diferent from ours
- [13:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Plus, if we merge the content, eventually, we'd have to either a) the content eventually changes on both sites, or b) we'd need to run back and forth to keep the content identical.
- [13:27] <VanitastheBloody> What's happening?
- [13:27] <MateusinhoEX> Since we plan on both having the same content
- [13:27] <Sove> Again, why have two wikis with the same content
- [13:28] <Sove> It leads nowhere
- [13:28] <Sove> You'll be having this same convo next year if that happens
- [13:28] <Pea14733> Exactly
- [13:28] <Pea14733> We need solution
- [13:28] <FifteenthMember> We can rule out the following
- [13:28] <ENX> This is why I said we should be separate but equal.
- [13:28] <MateusinhoEX> Like, Bulbapedia and Poke Wiki example
- [13:29] <ENX> Exactly.
- [13:29] <ANX219> divisions of content rather than power
- [13:29] <FifteenthMember> ENX
- [13:29] <Chainoffire> shhhhh.
- [13:29] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> My personal idea, if I may.
- [13:29] <Chainoffire> let 15M speak
- [13:29] <Sove> khwiki shoots itself in the foot if that happens, Wikia's SEO is simply far superior
- [13:29] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, I'll wait on FM
- [13:29] <FifteenthMember> That would work if the second wiki would have started with a fresh database of completely new users
- [13:29] <Sove> Bulbapedia is only dominant because it started way before the wikia
- [13:30] <FifteenthMember> But the KHWiki has roots in the Keyhole
- [13:30] <FifteenthMember> And the Keyhole spent two years running away from its roots
- [13:30] <FifteenthMember> And at this point, the Keyhole is behind in content if we want to make both wikis cover the same content
- [13:30] <FifteenthMember> Okay
- [13:30] <FifteenthMember> So
- [13:30] <MateusinhoEX> I will take a bath, brb
- [13:30] <FifteenthMember> We can rule out that
- [13:30] <FifteenthMember> *the wikis will not merge again and neither site will close
- [13:31] <ENX> The point is that KHWiki is not a Wikia site anymore, yet we keep trying to act like we are. The idea was to break away, yet people keep insisting that we go back to it, help it out, that sort of thing.
- [13:31] <FifteenthMember> *Having both wikis have the exact same purpose and scope is pointless
- [13:31] <FifteenthMember> Wikia has nothing to do with it
- [13:31] <FifteenthMember> It's the fact that we need to go back and help the fellow editors still there
- [13:31] <Chainoffire> ENX: let him speak
- [13:31] <FifteenthMember> Who we left behind
- [13:31] <ENX> Chainoffire, I am. I just thought he was done
- [13:32] <FifteenthMember> So, bearing those two points have been ruled out,
- [13:32] <FifteenthMember> *that those
- [13:32] <ANX219> they wanted to stay
- [13:32] <VanitastheBloody> Le'ts spot the diffrences.
- [13:32] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> May I proceed with my idea?
- [13:32] <FifteenthMember> We have to either be different by
- [13:33] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Sorry. continue
- [13:33] <FifteenthMember> Covering different scopes of the entire kingdom hearts franchise
- [13:33] <FifteenthMember> or have the same scope but display our content differently (like one being a summarised alternative)
- [13:33] <FifteenthMember> Done
- [13:33] <ENX> I prefer option 2
- [13:33] <VanitastheBloody> Having two wikis is unnececary.
- [13:33] <FifteenthMember> yes, we know
- [13:33] <FifteenthMember> We've been through this
- [13:33] <FifteenthMember> And we're staying at two wikis
- [13:34] <VanitastheBloody> I'm sorry, I missed it.
- [13:34] <VanitastheBloody> But why?
- [13:34] <Pea14733> Their community is there
- [13:34] <ENX> And I'm partial to KHWiki being the one with the more comprehensive info not because I believe it is better, but because the sole purpose for its existence is to be such a site; that is what it was founded upon.
- [13:34] <Chainoffire> 15M: do you have more to say on your points?
- [13:34] <FifteenthMember> Nope
- [13:34] <FifteenthMember> KSM, what is your idea?
- [13:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> First, I think we need to get some other things clear so that we get a solution that's both agreeable and we stop arguing here.
- [13:35] <VanitastheBloody> Yeah.
- [13:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We can't close either wiki, both for sentimental/emotional/whatever reason, and because we physically cannot close The Keyhole. It'd be stupid to close khwiki.com after five years, too.
- [13:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So that's out
- [13:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 2nd - What we're trying to do here is not force anyone to move to either wiki against their will, but to encourage it to happen
- [13:36] <VanitastheBloody> More would get accompilished if we were one.
- [13:37] <ENX> KSM, could you please clarify the last thing you said?
- [13:37] <VanitastheBloody> If we all work together, then alot will get done.
- [13:37] <ENX> It sounds to me like that'd still be trying to get people to change Wikis.
- [13:37] <+Xion4ever> -_-
- [13:37] <FifteenthMember> Let him finish
- [13:38] <ENX> I'm just confused by what he said. Sheesh. Let's please cease with the hostility.
- [13:38] <VanitastheBloody> Xion, when did you arrive?
- [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> No, we don't want to have anyone leave the other wiki, but to in essence cross-edit.
- [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> To be accessible at both wikis if possible.
- [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> So, with that in mind, my idea.
- [13:38] <VanitastheBloody> I see.
- [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I was thinking, we should try and split the non-immediately-mainspace content from khwiki, and have our social aspects on The Keyhole.
- [13:38] <VanitastheBloody> I think I get it.
- [13:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's on the Word doc, some of the ideas I had.
- [13:39] <FifteenthMember> "non-immediately-mainspace "
- [13:39] <VanitastheBloody> Basically,
- [13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Only word I could come up with, but it doesn't work.
- [13:39] <VanitastheBloody> Edit mainspace KHWIKI.
- [13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyways
- [13:39] <VanitastheBloody> And social on Keyhole.
- [13:39] <FifteenthMember> KSM, do you have more?
- [13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Vanitas has it.
- [13:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But yeah. So among what we could do.
- [13:39] <ENX> That works for me
- [13:40] <VanitastheBloody> I like that Idea.
- [13:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Chain mentioned to me that the Underdrome is closing this week
- [13:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> He's the only one that maintains it, and he can't anymore.
- [13:40] <ENX> What if Keyhole was a site sorta like KH13 or KHInsider, reporting news and such? I remember KrytenKoro saying something about that when SEIWA was first formed...
- [13:40] <VanitastheBloody> The Mirage Arena isin't holding well either.
- [13:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Since it's basically the Mirage Arena at The Keyhole, I think we should move the Mirage Arena to The Keyhole
- [13:41] <VanitastheBloody> Let's get a diffrent name.
- [13:41] <Byzantinefire> It sounds like Fanpedia.
- [13:41] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Either now, or at the end of Round 5 (in about two months following the Joint Struggle
- [13:41] <VanitastheBloody> To show our changes, or soething.
- [13:41] <FifteenthMember> Yes
- [13:41] <FifteenthMember> That can happen
- [13:41] * ENX is confused
- [13:41] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We can close two of our social-aimed forums at khwiki.com, too.
- [13:41] <ENX> What can happen, exactly?
- [13:41] <FifteenthMember> Yep, that too
- [13:41] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (I believe it's Twilight Town Library and the Usual Spot)
- [13:42] <ENX> No one even uses the social forums anymore.
- [13:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Precisely
- [13:42] <FifteenthMember> people do occasionally on the khwiki
- [13:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But some people at times do come
- [13:42] <Pea14733> Yeah everything is on the IRC these days
- [13:42] <FifteenthMember> And they never get responses
- [13:42] <FifteenthMember> So they leave
- [13:42] <ENX> Which is bad on our parts.
- [13:42] <Pea14733> And IRC is hard to reach
- [13:42] <ENX> Which is why we should redirect them to the Keyhole then, yes?
- [13:42] <VanitastheBloody> Yeah.
- [13:42] <FifteenthMember> Ues
- [13:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We can also move for social-related discussions to be held at The Keyhole instead of khwiki.com
- [13:42] <Pea14733> Yeah
- [13:42] <FifteenthMember> *yes
- [13:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> At our respective talk pages, but over there.
- [13:42] <VanitastheBloody> The Keyhole will join with it's better half.
- [13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We don't need to be over strict on that, but we should encourage it.
- [13:43] <ENX> Except neither is better than the other.
- [13:43] <ENX> But yes, I like where this is going
- [13:43] <VanitastheBloody> What about talk pages?
- [13:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The idea of making The Keyhole also more news-aimed is also something that we could encourage/consider.
- [13:43] <ENX> Not that my opinion matters...but well, in terms of talk pages...
- [13:43] <VanitastheBloody> Should we keep talk pages to the keyhole?
- [13:44] <Pea14733> Talkpages stay
- [13:44] <Chainoffire> We could, if people are willing to go to conventions and stuff
- [13:44] <FifteenthMember> We need talkpages on both
- [13:44] <FinalRest> Hi, I'll be playing devil's advocate today. Why would people come to Keyhole to socialise if they can use talk pages and the IRC?
- [13:44] <Pea14733> Yeah
- [13:44] <ENX> KHWiki's were to be used for discussing article improvement.
- [13:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Wait!
- [13:44] <FinalRest> And let's say you enforce a "socialising on Keyhole only" policy. Doesn't that go against the friendly atmosphere KHWiki wants to achive?
- [13:44] <FinalRest> Sorry, Im done
- [13:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> No, we're not closing talk pages at khwiki.com, either.
- [13:44] <FifteenthMember> Talk pages stay because we need them for notifications
- [13:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But, rather than hold social discussions on talk pages at khwiki.com, we hold them at The Keyhole, and talk pages at khwiki.com stay for content-related stuff.
- [13:45] <ENX> The Keyhole's could be where people ask for strategies and such. Becuase I've had to dismay two users recently for asking for strategies on bosses when the talk pages are purely for content, as KSM just said.
- [13:45] <VanitastheBloody> At Keyhole, social talkpages.
- [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes
- [13:45] <VanitastheBloody> KHWIKI serious talkpages.
- [13:45] <ENX> Yes
- [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We could make other social-related stuff for The Keyhole, too.
- [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> That's basically the gist.
- [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Now
- [13:45] <VanitastheBloody> next.
- [13:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FR, let me answer you
- [13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We do want a friendly atmosphere at khwiki.com. We're not gonna go strict no-socializing style, either. That's part of the problem with the policies at khwiki.com right now, is that we came off that way.
- [13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But we'll encourage users to go to The Keyhole to discuss that kinda stuff.
- [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We can do it at khwiki.com if it's something small or whatever.
- [13:47] <FifteenthMember> Agreed
- [13:47] <FifteenthMember> And what about the mainspace? (the important part)
- [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, one other idea I had in addition
- [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> About that
- [13:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> actually
- [13:47] <VanitastheBloody> The Keyhole is more like something free.
- [13:47] <VanitastheBloody> While the KHWIki is more working,
- [13:48] <VanitastheBloody> but less socializing.
- [13:48] <VanitastheBloody> a reason to have both.
- [13:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I was thinking we have simple, but complete articles of most things (characters, keyblades, games, etc)
- [13:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And encourage discussion on those pages/articles/subjects
- [13:48] <FifteenthMember> Which wiki?
- [13:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The Keyhole
- [13:48] <ENX> So the Keyhole is like the place we'd all go to hang out or something after a long day's work?
- [13:48] <FifteenthMember> "simple, but complete"
- [13:48] <FifteenthMember> How will that work?
- [13:49] <VanitastheBloody> ^
- [13:49] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Hmmm....that I haven't figured out exactly
- [13:49] <Pea14733> Then we should add more content on khwiki.com
- [13:49] <FifteenthMember> If we're really wanting Keyhole all to be discussion
- [13:49] <FifteenthMember> We should have its mainspace leads towards that
- [13:49] <Pea14733> How about technical informations
- [13:49] <VanitastheBloody> I refer back to ENX comment.
- [13:49] <FifteenthMember> Having it has a curio of information of some sorts
- [13:49] <FifteenthMember> For example,
- [13:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm done with my idea.
- [13:50] <FifteenthMember> Appearance, origin, Form: and personality sections are all focused on in the Keyhole
- [13:50] <VanitastheBloody> It was a good one, KeybladeSpyMaster
- [13:50] <FifteenthMember> Along with quotes: pages and other points of discussion
- [13:51] <Pea14733> Quotes I think so, but others, no
- [13:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Vanitas, thanks
- [13:51] <+Xion4ever> Splitting content is a bad idea, guys.
- [13:51] <FifteenthMember> As well as strategies, since those are points of discussion
- [13:51] <ENX> I really like your idea, KSM. FM, doesn't that reduce the length/quality of the KHWiki articles by a severe amount if you say "Half the page just goes to Keyhole"? I agree with Xion, absolutely NO splitting of content.
- [13:51] <+Xion4ever> Making one wiki be social and one be serious business is also a bad idea.
- [13:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Darn.
- [13:52] <+Xion4ever> (Also, didn't FFWiki try the exact same thing once upon a time, Sove?)
- [13:52] <Sove> Try what
- [13:52] <+Xion4ever> Social stuff off the wiki?
- [13:52] <Sove> no
- [13:52] <Chainoffire> Xion: how is that different from now?
- [13:53] <+Xion4ever> Everyone is proposing all these ideas and making all these comments- which is great!
- [13:53] <VanitastheBloody> Why are you silent, XIon?
- [13:54] <+Xion4ever> However, no one has answered the main question.
- [13:54] <+Xion4ever> Or, if they have, then someone please spell it out clearly because myself, Neumanz, and I'm sure others are still confused.
- [13:54] <+Xion4ever> What is the Keyhole supposed to be?
- [13:54] <ENX> That's because someone objects whenever we seem to get somewhere. But anyways, shutting up now
- [13:55] <+Xion4ever> If it's another KH content site, most people seem to be against that unless we split content between khwiki.com and the Keyhole.
- [13:55] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Xion, I was suggesting it be a more socially-inclined, socially interactive site.
- [13:55] <Chainoffire> Allow me to answer that question.
- [13:55] * VanitastheBloody is now known as RikutheBloody
- [13:56] <RikutheBloody> Um, big question.
- [13:57] <RikutheBloody> How will the fans take this?
- [13:57] <FifteenthMember> what?
- [13:57] <Chainoffire> As an admin at the keyhole that has been there 4-ish years, I've seen the wiki go through many changes and different purposes.
- [13:57] <Chainoffire> But at this point in time
- [13:58] <Chainoffire> I don't know what our current purpose is. That's partially what this meeting is about. We're trying to give The Keyhole purpose
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- [13:58] <+Xion4ever> Bingo!
- [13:58] <Chainoffire> and we need the help of khwiki.com to do it
- [13:58] <Chainoffire> which is why we're here.
- [13:58] <+Xion4ever> But we can't do that if everyone is proposing all these ideas without the purpose in mind.
- [13:58] * ANX219 (62139b64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.19.155.100) has left #KHWiki-noticeboard
- [13:58] <FifteenthMember> We are agreed at a social inclination, yes?
- [13:58] <Chainoffire> which is why we need to create a purpose
- [13:58] <Chainoffire> ^
- [13:59] <Chainoffire> So, how doest this sound?
- [13:59] <FifteenthMember> We are agreed that the purpose is a social, yes?
- [13:59] <Chainoffire> yes
- [13:59] <+Xion4ever> No
- [13:59] * ANX219_ is now known as ANX219
- [13:59] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I was trying to define the purpose with my idea. To make the Keyhole's purpose be a socially-inclined site. That's what has allowed Chain and the others do what they've been able to do, no?
- [13:59] <ENX> Yes
- [13:59] <FifteenthMember> Okay
- [13:59] <ENX> Xion, it seems to me like you're the only one objecting to that so far.
- [14:00] <FifteenthMember> Do we agree that the purpose of the keyhole is to be a social-inclinated site?
- [14:00] <Chainoffire> Xion, what is your idea?
- [14:00] <RikutheBloody> Xion disagrees.
- [14:00] <ENX> I'm all for it. I'll say it now.
- [14:00] <+Xion4ever> Having one site be all social and one site be all serious business is a bad idea.
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- [14:00] <Chainoffire> Yes. We know. It's okay that she disagrees
- [14:01] <Chainoffire> Xion: How is that different than the current state?
- [14:01] <RikutheBloody> Hey Draaek.
- [14:01] <Draaek> hello I'm back as a listener only
- [14:01] <+Xion4ever> We still have some social things on over at khwiki.com
- [14:01] <RikutheBloody> Which we should move.
- [14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't mind with disagreement. Having everyone think the same is bad. And it's China....
- [14:01] <Chainoffire> Xion: such as?
- [14:01] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> What I want to know is why is it bad.
- [14:01] <Pea14733> KSM
- [14:02] <Pea14733> What do we do about the content in your idea again?
- [14:02] <Pea14733> The mainspace
- [14:02] <Chainoffire> (let Xion talk)
- [14:02] <RikutheBloody> ^
- [14:02] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes, go Xion
- [14:02] <Pea14733> Okay
- [14:03] <+Xion4ever> I'm having a hard time answering this myself, guys, for real.
- [14:03] <FifteenthMember> Can I interject?
- [14:03] <Chainoffire> sure
- [14:03] <ENX> Are we all above saying "please"?
- [14:04] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, go ahead
- [14:04] <FifteenthMember> wow okay
- [14:04] <FifteenthMember> can i interject please?
- [14:04] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Go ahead
- [14:04] <FifteenthMember> Okay
- [14:05] <FifteenthMember> We can't merge back together
- [14:05] <FifteenthMember> Which means that we have two wikis
- [14:05] <FifteenthMember> That will have to be different somehow
- [14:05] <FifteenthMember> That means that either wiki will have to make a sacrifice
- [14:05] <MateusinhoEX> Guys I'm back. Read all the discussion till now.
- [14:05] <FifteenthMember> And there isn't one solution that is perfect and will be happy for everyone
- [14:05] <FifteenthMember> I'm ready to make sacrifices since that's the only thing we can do
- [14:06] <RikutheBloody> We should make a vote.
- [14:06] <ENX> ^
- [14:06] <MateusinhoEX> FM, can I put my opinion now?
- [14:06] <+Xion4ever> That doesn't solve the purpose, though.
- [14:06] <Neumannz> We should have this discussion on a forum, where people cannot talk over each other
- [14:06] <FifteenthMember> Yes it does
- [14:06] <Chainoffire> Can I ask a question?
- [14:06] <FifteenthMember> NZ, and a load of Edit conflicts ^_^
- [14:07] <ANX219> i would prefer to hear it all but not everyone can aqquire skype
- [14:07] <FifteenthMember> go ahead CoF
- [14:07] <Chainoffire> Xion: In what ways is khwiki.com social?
- [14:07] <ENX> It defines the purpose if you say it's __________ or __________. Everyone basically seems to be saying "Make it social" pretty clearly. Just define it as something and we're done, in a perfect world.
- [14:08] <Chainoffire> the question is directed to Xion.
- [14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Chilll............
- [14:08] <Neumannz> ^
- [14:08] <Chainoffire> I'm sorry. Xion: In what ways is khwiki.com social?
- [14:09] <ENX> I was commenting on what Xion was saying, CoF. There is no hostility in me right now. I want to make that clear.
- [14:10] <Chainoffire> ENX: I meant no hostility, I just want there to be as few interupptions as possible
- [14:10] <+Xion4ever> We have the "social" things, but we don't really use them. Mainly because we've scared people away from doing so.
- [14:10] <ENX> Right, I'm just getting the feeling that people think I'm yelling, and I'm not. We're all friends here.
- [14:11] <MateusinhoEX> Can I say something?.
- [14:11] <Chainoffire> yes MEx?
- [14:11] <Chainoffire> **MEX
- [14:11] <Byzantinefire> Well aqaunitances more or less.
- [14:11] <MateusinhoEX> Well, were here to find a purpose for the Keyhole. If both Wikis would be equal, there would be no purpose to have both. And since we won't have a merge, we have to find a way to make each other different. Kingdom Hearts Wiki is content focused, more detailed and profressional, with information that has always to be confirmed so it can be trusted. Social things do exist, such as Mirage Arena, The Magazine, The Featu
- [14:12] <MateusinhoEX> But those things aren't our main focus. Even if we want to be friendly, we end up making user leaves sometimes for late responses to discussions. So, making the Keyhole social focused is an option.
- [14:13] <MateusinhoEX> We wouldn't be removing the content from the Wiki, though, It could have links to everything that happens at the Keyhole. NO, it MUST have links.
- [14:14] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ^
- [14:14] <MateusinhoEX> At the same time, the Keyhole should still have content too, in the same way the wiki will also be social. We would not remove aything from any of them.
- [14:14] <MateusinhoEX> The Keyhole would handle discussions that are ot game relevant, such as "How do I beat this?" How do I get there.
- [14:15] <Draaek> well I joined wiki after all the problems with both wikis happened and if I may say so I do find keyhole much more social than wiki so I do agree with MEX
- [14:15] <MateusinhoEX> Whil in the wiki, people would be able to find taht without asking. Strategies in the game page will be there. But people could ask for others in the Keyhole.
- [14:16] <+Xion4ever> Having people look between two different wikis isn't cool.
- [14:16] <MateusinhoEX> Now I have dinner, back in a few minutes :v
- [14:16] <RikutheBloody> Let's discuss this last.
- [14:16] <FifteenthMember> No
- [14:16] <RikutheBloody> We won't get far.
- [14:16] <FifteenthMember> Let's discuss this on a forum
- [14:16] <FifteenthMember> And get on with the rest of the roundtable
- [14:16] <RikutheBloody> Forum?
- [14:16] <Pea14733> I was trying to point out KSM's idea's cons ...
- [14:16] <RikutheBloody> I don't think that'll work.
- [14:17] <ANX219> we can't come up with a solution in a mere meeting
- [14:17] <ANX219> so we should host onto the forums
- [14:17] <Pea14733> Okay
- [14:17] <FifteenthMember> yes
- [14:17] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I move that the Keyhole purpose discussion be moved to a forum, because we're taking too long on the one point out of the whole of Operation: Keychain, and we're still have more to the Roundtable after Operation:Keychain
- [14:17] <RikutheBloody> That will flood the RC
- [14:17] <FifteenthMember> so?
- [14:17] <Pea14733> So next agenda?
- [14:17] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's something huge, we need to do discuss anyways, we might as well flood the RC doing something productive.
- [14:18] <Pea14733> Anyway
- [14:18] <Pea14733> Next
- [14:18] <Pea14733> Affiliation stuff: Check to see our affiliation with Cyberman65 is still good. Possible affiliation with Everglow?
- [14:18] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> If we need to, we can touch on the rest of Operation: Keychain at the end, but we should probably go to the rest of the Roundtable
- [14:18] <ANX219> i suggested that!! :D
- [14:18] <Pea14733> Who will check with this one?
- [14:18] <RikutheBloody> Everglow..........
- [14:18] <Chainoffire> everglow is kind of affilated with kh13.com
- [14:18] <+Xion4ever> The reason with Cyberman is apparently he is no longer linking back to us?
- [14:18] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> No, he's not.
- [14:18] <RikutheBloody> Yeah. I thought we had one with him already.
- [14:19] <+Xion4ever> We did.
- [14:19] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> https://www.youtube.com/user/Cyberman65/about
- [14:19] <+Xion4ever> Someone needs to check with him to see if he is still interested in upholding the affiliation. If he is, then we need to [nicely] remind him to link back to us.
- [14:19] <+Xion4ever> If he doesn't want to, that's okay.
- [14:20] <+Xion4ever> Though we should ask him why he no longer wants to be affiliated with us, just so we have some feedback as to "what went wrong."
- [14:20] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyone wants to go and ask?
- [14:20] <RikutheBloody> I don't have youtube.
- [14:20] <+Xion4ever> Who is in charge of the KHWiki Youtube account?
- [14:20] <RikutheBloody> Accoutn.
- [14:20] <RikutheBloody> Nezzy.
- [14:21] <Draaek> I have my youtube but idk about any affiliation or anything
- [14:21] <+Xion4ever> Someone in charge of managing that account should do it.
- [14:21] <+Xion4ever> If Neumanz is the one in charge of that I'll talk that part over with him on his talkpage- he is leaving here soon.
- [14:21] <RikutheBloody> Nezzy is.
- [14:22] <+Xion4ever> Cool. So I'll ping him on his talkpage once the Roundtable is over.
- [14:22] <+Xion4ever> Everyone cool so far?
- [14:22] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
- [14:22] <Pea14733> Yeah
- [14:22] <+Xion4ever> Now this part with Everglow...
- [14:22] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah...
- [14:22] <+Xion4ever> This was a random idea I got from ANX.
- [14:23] <+Xion4ever> The guy posts quality stuff, in short.
- [14:23] <+Xion4ever> It would look good on us if we could be an affiliate.
- [14:23] <RikutheBloody> I thought we were associated with him already.
- [14:23] <+Xion4ever> No
- [14:23] <FifteenthMember> I would like to affiliate with him
- [14:23] <FifteenthMember> yes
- [14:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Me, too.
- [14:23] <RikutheBloody> Someoone ask him.
- [14:23] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The issue is...
- [14:23] <RikutheBloody> ?
- [14:23] <Pea14733> I think if Cyberman still wants to affiliate with us, we shouldn't get another one
- [14:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> He's got a partnership with KH13.com. We don't know if that limits his ability to affiliate.
- [14:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And what Pea has insinuated: if we have one YouTube affiliate, can we have two?
- [14:24] <RikutheBloody> I doubt its any limit.
- [14:24] <FifteenthMember> why not have both?
- [14:24] <RikutheBloody> We can find loopholes.
- [14:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And not hurt either one?
- [14:24] <+Xion4ever> It could be viewed as disrespectful or insulting, FM.
- [14:24] <Pea14733> ^
- [14:25] <+Xion4ever> So, an idea:
- [14:25] <FifteenthMember> Alright, I'll take that
- [14:25] <Draaek> can anyone tell me who or what this everglow is?
- [14:25] <FifteenthMember> a kh youtuber
- [14:25] <ANX219> they upload tracks and cutscenes from the games
- [14:25] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Cept we have multiple YouTube affiliates, too, including Cyberman
- [14:26] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Xion, your idea
- [14:26] <+Xion4ever> Neumanz/myself/someone will check out if Cyberman is still interested in being our affiliate. If he is, awesome. If he isn't, we should definitely be looking for another "big name KH Youtuber."
- [14:26] <+Xion4ever> Everglow, being affiliated with kh13.com would probably put a strain on us ever being affiliates...so, why don't we affiliate with kh13.com?
- [14:26] <+Xion4ever> The idea had been discussed in the past, but nothing ever came from it.
- [14:27] <RikutheBloody> We already have KHinsider, so why not?
- [14:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We don't
- [14:27] <+Xion4ever> ^
- [14:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Affiliates
- [14:27] <RikutheBloody> I know less than I thought. -_-
- [14:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It's cool
- [14:27] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Still, why no?
- [14:28] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> *not?
- [14:28] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> We cool with that, then?
- [14:28] <+Xion4ever> We tried joining with them on news, but something on our end wasn't ready.
- [14:29] <FifteenthMember> It was that
- [14:29] <FifteenthMember> wait
- [14:29] <FifteenthMember> Was it kh13 who we wanted as a newsteam?
- [14:30] <Chainoffire> no, i think that was khinsider
- [14:30] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> ^
- [14:30] <+Xion4ever> It was KHInsider.
- [14:30] <+Xion4ever> I don't think we've ever actually talked to kh13.
- [14:30] <+Xion4ever> Truth be told, if KHInsider hasn't gotten back to us, they've probably forgotten about us.
- [14:31] <Chainoffire> Keyhole is affiliated with KH13, so maybe we could get them to help us out a bit
- [14:31] <FifteenthMember> we can't affiliate with both anyway
- [14:31] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think those discussions just died. It may have been our fault.
- [14:31] <FifteenthMember> Because it would be the same as the youtube
- [14:31] <FifteenthMember> And then as Xion said
- [14:31] <FifteenthMember> It's considered offensive (which personally I don't actually see as a major issue)
- [14:32] <+Xion4ever> So...should we check back in with KHInsider and remind them of us?
- [14:33] <+Xion4ever> Or would you guys rather leave them and go ask kh13?
- [14:33] <FifteenthMember> I'd keep with khi
- [14:33] <FifteenthMember> since we've already agreed something with them
- [14:33] <FifteenthMember> It was just forgotten
- [14:33] <Draaek> if there was some sort of communication with them before I say we should go back to them and see what they thing
- [14:33] <Draaek> think*
- [14:33] <+Xion4ever> Okay, cool.
- [14:34] <+Xion4ever> Who was in charge of talking with them way back when?
- [14:34] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Erry
- [14:34] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> He's the one who had contacts among them at the time.
- [14:34] <+Xion4ever> I see Erry on here, but not so much on the Wiki. You think he would still be open for it?
- [14:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Perhaps
- [14:35] <RikutheBloody> Moving on?
- [14:35] <+Xion4ever> Okay. So someone needs to talk to Erry. I don't mind to, or if someone else wants to?
- [14:36] <RikutheBloody> i want too.
- [14:36] <Neumannz> I gotta go, bye all
- [14:36] * Neumannz (~egrahc@pool-72-66-69-128.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ))
- [14:36] <RikutheBloody> I'll talk to him.
- [14:36] <RikutheBloody> Luxerion, right?
- [14:36] <+Xion4ever> Yeah.
- [14:36] <RikutheBloody> Okay.
- [14:37] <+Xion4ever> That would be great. Thanks. ^_^
- [14:37] <+Xion4ever> Also, Neumannz just confirmed with me that he'll talk to Cyberman.
- [14:37] <FifteenthMember> Sweet
- [14:37] <Pea14733> Okay
- [14:37] <+Xion4ever> Once he does that, we'll move on from there for YouTube affiliations.
- [14:37] <FifteenthMember> Okay
- [14:37] <Pea14733> So next agenda
- [14:38] <RikutheBloody> Lp series
- [14:38] <Pea14733> Your LP questions FM
- [14:38] <RikutheBloody> QUestions.
- [14:38] <FifteenthMember> Oh right
- [14:38] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Let%27s_Play
- [14:38] <FifteenthMember> Does this look okay
- [14:38] <FifteenthMember> firstly>
- [14:39] <Pea14733> It looks okay
- [14:39] <RikutheBloody> I guess. It won't when more series come.
- [14:39] * RikutheBloody is now known as VanitastheBloody
- [14:40] <FifteenthMember> that's when the series would be archived
- [14:40] <FifteenthMember> And the new ongoing series comes here
- [14:40] <FifteenthMember> WELL
- [14:40] <FifteenthMember> THAT'S ALL
- [14:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I think that's fine.
- [14:40] <FifteenthMember> It has a structured timetable yes?
- [14:40] <FifteenthMember> It comes out every week
- [14:40] <FifteenthMember> I notice
- [14:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I believe they're doing one a week
- [14:40] <Pea14733> ...That's all?
- [14:41] <FifteenthMember> lolyeah
- [14:41] <+Xion4ever> So...we agree the page looks fine. Once the series is done, it is archived and makes way for the next series.
- [14:41] <VanitastheBloody> next
- [14:41] <FifteenthMember> next!
- [14:41] <Pea14733> Reminder of signature policy, especially parts on image size limitations.
- [14:41] <+Xion4ever> Oh!
- [14:41] <VanitastheBloody> sig policy
- [14:41] <+Xion4ever> Neumannz had this to say on signatures:
- [14:41] <Pea14733> What happened?
- [14:41] <+Xion4ever> [16:18] <Neumannz> Nicknames need to clearly show who is posting, one way or another, and any images need to be small enough not to screw with line spacing
- [14:42] <Pea14733> Okay
- [14:42] <+Xion4ever> [16:18] <Neumannz> 17px, I think
- [14:42] <+Xion4ever> That's all he wrote.
- [14:42] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, alright
- [14:42] <FifteenthMember> I agree
- [14:42] <+Xion4ever> I think the main grievance with the first part of his first message ["clearly show who is posting"] is that people aren't using their usernames in their signatures, but rather, other names.
- [14:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I agree
- [14:43] <+Xion4ever> Like if I used "lolcannon" instead of "Xion4ever."
- [14:43] <Pea14733> XD
- [14:43] <+Xion4ever> Sure, lolcannon links to my name, but it isn't clearly stated.
- [14:43] <Pea14733> I need to change mine then
- [14:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It should at least have your name in front of whatever comment.
- [14:43] <FifteenthMember> I'd say, unless it's an established alias you're using
- [14:43] <VanitastheBloody> Can I use RikutheBloody instead of Master Riku the Bloody?
- [14:44] <FifteenthMember> E.G. LightRoxas has Radiant Chaos
- [14:44] <FifteenthMember> but that's his alternative name and eveyrone knows him by it
- [14:44] <FifteenthMember> rtb, of course
- [14:44] <FifteenthMember> As long as it's recognisable
- [14:44] <+Xion4ever> Truth be told, since Neumannz isn't here and I'm going off of speculation as to what he said, I think this is better suited for a forum at TWTNW.
- [14:44] <Draaek> so I guess if we use a title we will have to change it?
- [14:44] <+Xion4ever> Mainly so we have it recorded what was actually said instead having a big game of "he said-she said."
- [14:45] <FifteenthMember> okay
- [14:45] <FifteenthMember> agreed
- [14:45] <+Xion4ever> Now the image size...
- [14:45] <ANX219> always been 17 px
- [14:45] <FifteenthMember> 17px
- [14:45] <FifteenthMember> alright
- [14:46] <FifteenthMember> I'll check mine
- [14:46] <+Xion4ever> Need I say more?
- [14:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Have to check mine, too.
- [14:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Nope, I think we're good.
- [14:46] <+Xion4ever> I think it's just a reminder of our old policy.
- [14:46] <+Xion4ever> Cool.
- [14:46] <VanitastheBloody> But
- [14:46] <VanitastheBloody> What if someone gets the image from another website.
- [14:46] * VanitastheBloody points at ANX
- [14:46] <FifteenthMember> it's their responsibility to check them
- [14:46] <Pea14733> ^
- [14:46] <FifteenthMember> mine is external too
- [14:46] <+Xion4ever> And resize as necessary.
- [14:47] <FifteenthMember> I will check it and resize if it's over 17
- [14:47] <Draaek> glad mine comes from the wiki lol
- [14:47] <FifteenthMember> okay
- [14:47] <FifteenthMember> Next?
- [14:47] <Pea14733> Possible attempt at actually covering KHc on the wiki. Is it viable?
- [14:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Covering KHc, if possible
- [14:47] * ANX219 (~ANX219_@h100.155.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
- [14:47] <VanitastheBloody> KH chi
- [14:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Is this coded or chi?
- [14:47] <+Xion4ever> Neummanz comment:
- [14:47] <Pea14733> coded
- [14:47] <VanitastheBloody> Oh.
- [14:47] <+Xion4ever> [16:20] <Neumannz> Kh coded coverage would be tricky, since there is only one YouTube playthrough and at least one helpful game faq page, but if anyone wants to help me on that, in any way, I would greatly appreciate
- [14:48] <Pea14733> We'll say KHX if it's chi
- [14:48] <+Xion4ever> [16:21] <Neumannz> I don't mind uploading images for the wiki itself on the wiki
- [14:48] <+Xion4ever> [16:21] <Neumannz> Even if they are not official
- [14:48] <VanitastheBloody> That'll be hard.
- [14:48] <Pea14733> Who has that damn phone?
- [14:48] <FifteenthMember> it involves translating japanese I take
- [14:48] <Pea14733> >.>
- [14:48] <Pea14733> Translating is okay
- [14:48] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes
- [14:48] <FifteenthMember> If you want stats
- [14:48] <FifteenthMember> etc.
- [14:48] <+Xion4ever> No Google Translate.
- [14:48] <+Xion4ever> #badidea
- [14:48] <FifteenthMember> ofc
- [14:49] <Pea14733> We didn't even finish Re:coded for stats
- [14:49] <Pea14733> Due to sortage of Ultimania scans
- [14:49] <+Xion4ever> Ouch.
- [14:49] <FifteenthMember> Erry is at qatar again now
- [14:49] <Pea14733> I am always up for it
- [14:49] <FifteenthMember> we can ask him
- [14:49] <FifteenthMember> I think
- [14:49] <+Xion4ever> So, we need some people to help out with the Re:coded and especially coded articles.
- [14:49] <+Xion4ever> coded is what Neumannz is focusing on in this point just because not a lot of people have access to it.
- [14:49] <VanitastheBloody> I canhelp with recoded
- [14:50] <Pea14733> I don't know about coded, but anyone with Re:coded Ultimania would be really of help
- [14:50] <FifteenthMember> I have done re:coded
- [14:50] <FifteenthMember> already
- [14:50] <FifteenthMember> it's just stats we need for recoded
- [14:50] <FifteenthMember> Alright
- [14:50] <FifteenthMember> So
- [14:50] <FifteenthMember> I think that's all
- [14:50] <Pea14733> No
- [14:50] <+Xion4ever> One moment
- [14:50] <VanitastheBloody> next
- [14:50] <FifteenthMember> Anything else?
- [14:50] <FifteenthMember> okay
- [14:51] <Pea14733> So are we doing the normal coded?
- [14:51] <+Xion4ever> If people don't mind helping out, yeah.
- [14:51] <Pea14733> I can help translating
- [14:51] <Pea14733> Just give me the clear screenshots
- [14:51] <+Xion4ever> I'll help out with whatever info I gather from the playthrough and that "one helpful game faq page."
- [14:51] <FifteenthMember> I can add the translated info
- [14:52] <FifteenthMember> to the pages themselves
- [14:52] <Pea14733> Okay it's decided then
- [14:52] <Draaek> anyone know if coded can be found as a rom?
- [14:52] <VanitastheBloody> Uploading unofficial images on the Wiki for magazine/LP/similar pages and KHWiki Photobucket account. TheFifteenthMember
- [14:52] <FifteenthMember> wait riku
- [14:52] <Pea14733> You can't find it anywhere
- [14:52] <+Xion4ever> UltimaSpark has the Ultimania, I think.
- [14:53] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Wasn't coded originally a part of Kingdom Hearts Mobile? I think that's how it's described on the wiki, as being released as episodes as a part of Mobile
- [14:53] <FifteenthMember> there isn't a coded ultimania, is there?
- [14:53] <FifteenthMember> nope
- [14:53] <Pea14733> Nope
- [14:53] <+Xion4ever> Er, *Recoded
- [14:53] <FifteenthMember> Kingdom Hearts Mobile is completely separate
- [14:53] <+Xion4ever> @KSM: If we say that, we should probably fix that.
- [14:53] <FifteenthMember> It's just that playing episodes of khc
- [14:53] <FifteenthMember> unlocks stuff in mobile
- [14:54] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh.
- [14:54] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I thought the original coded was released like that, and then was remade for Nintendo DS as Re:coded.
- [14:55] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
- [14:55] <FifteenthMember> That's true
- [14:55] <+Xion4ever> Since we all-a good chunk of us- are going to help out, we're good to confirm Neumannz's idea.
- [14:55] <FifteenthMember> yup
- [14:55] <+Xion4ever> We can't let it slip though, guys. We have to keep our word on this.
- [14:55] <Pea14733> Right
- [14:55] <VanitastheBloody> Keep our word?
- [14:55] <FifteenthMember> sure sure
- [14:55] <FifteenthMember> I headed project re:coded ages ago
- [14:55] <FifteenthMember> So i'm happy to do coded
- [14:55] <Pea14733> Most our projects are left dead
- [14:55] <VanitastheBloody> Who do you think we ard :p
- [14:55] <Pea14733> XD
- [14:55] <VanitastheBloody> *are
- [14:55] <FifteenthMember> I FINISHED project recoded :D
- [14:55] <+Xion4ever> Wonderful, guys. ^_^
- [14:56] <FifteenthMember> that was like the only main thing I did
- [14:56] <Pea14733> So we all good on this?
- [14:56] <+Xion4ever> Yeah man
- [14:56] <FifteenthMember> HEY PEA
- [14:56] <FifteenthMember> what happened with the recoded walkthrough
- [14:56] <Pea14733> XD
- [14:56] <FifteenthMember> You haven't done the templates that you promised ;_;
- [14:56] <Pea14733> Sorry I had stuffs >.>
- [14:56] <FifteenthMember> lol it's okay
- [14:56] <FifteenthMember> yeah, move on
- [14:56] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Next, guys
- [14:57] <Pea14733> Uploading unofficial images on the Wiki for magazine/LP/similar pages and KHWiki Photobucket account
- [14:57] <Pea14733> Errrr no
- [14:57] <+Xion4ever> That's right, Pea.
- [14:57] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
- [14:57] <FifteenthMember> Basically, KSM and I were talking about the title images
- [14:58] <FifteenthMember> for the magazine
- [14:58] <FifteenthMember> and wikia changes their image URLs frequently
- [14:58] <FifteenthMember> That they're not really reliable to use as external links
- [14:58] <FifteenthMember> So, we should upload them to the wiki pb account instead
- [14:58] <+Xion4ever> Are those images currently being used off Wiki?
- [14:58] <FifteenthMember> That's my plan
- [14:58] <Pea14733> Then host it on external sites~
- [14:58] * ANX219 (~ANX219_@h100.155.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
- [14:58] <+Xion4ever> Er, hosted off Wiki?
- [14:58] <FifteenthMember> yes
- [14:58] <FifteenthMember> at the moment, our magazine links to the Keyhole's images
- [14:59] <+Xion4ever> Are problems occuring because they are hosted off Wiki?
- [14:59] <+Xion4ever> I.e, do certain templates not work, etc.
- [15:00] <FifteenthMember> the images shrink
- [15:01] <FifteenthMember> That's because the keyhole keeps changing url destination
- [15:01] <FifteenthMember> We just need a stable link
- [15:01] <FifteenthMember> So photobucket
- [15:01] <FifteenthMember> boom
- [15:01] <+Xion4ever> Cool. Why aren't we using Photobucket?
- [15:02] <ANX219> Sove
- [15:02] <ANX219> explain
- [15:02] <FifteenthMember> lool
- [15:02] <Pea14733> PB is slow
- [15:03] <FifteenthMember> We can get an imgur account
- [15:03] <FifteenthMember> if we want
- [15:03] <Pea14733> Use Imgur onstead
- [15:03] <FifteenthMember> I just said photobucket because we already have one
- [15:03] <Pea14733> The End
- [15:03] <Sove> PB is fine if you embed images from there, but it has bandwidth limits
- [15:03] <+Xion4ever> So, in general, offline options suck.
- [15:03] <Sove> Keyhole had an issue with the limit once
- [15:04] <+Xion4ever> I don't see a problem with uploading them onto the Wiki- so long as they serve a purpose.
- [15:04] <Sove> Basically, all off-site images on Keyhole were disabled and repalced with "bandwidth exceeded" message
- [15:04] <+Xion4ever> ^ Yikes
- [15:04] <Pea14733> XD
- [15:04] <Sove> And when you have lots and lots of images in PB, that is guaranteed to happen on a busier site
- [15:04] <FifteenthMember> Xion
- [15:05] <FifteenthMember> we could
- [15:05] <Sove> Unless you pay PB for extra bandwidth
- [15:05] <FifteenthMember> But we don't really need to cos we don't need them for linking or anything
- [15:05] <FifteenthMember> so external works fine
- [15:07] * Chainoffire (4b806994@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.128.105.148) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
- [15:07] <FifteenthMember> so err
- [15:07] <FifteenthMember> photobucket
- [15:07] <FifteenthMember> yes?
- [15:07] <FifteenthMember> we all died
- [15:07] <Pea14733> yeah
- [15:07] <Pea14733> Whatever it works without problems
- [15:07] <MateusinhoEX> Back guys, read evrything till here already.
- [15:08] <VanitastheBloody> Good.
- [15:08] <VanitastheBloody> WB
- [15:08] <Pea14733> Next?
- [15:08] <FinalRest> As the person who uploads all the images for the mag, how do I get access to the photobucket?
- [15:08] <FinalRest> Am I allowed, if Im not KHWiki staff?
- [15:09] <Sove> I'd just ditch the PB already
- [15:09] <Sove> When you external link an image from PB, it consumes PB's bandwidth and they have a set limit to how much an account can use
- [15:09] <Sove> When you exceed that limit, the images are all taken down and repalced with a bandwidth warning
- [15:10] <ENX> I apologize if it's already been said, but what about using the Wiki's DeviantArt? We could have a separate folder there for the images
- [15:10] <Sove> A sI said, this happened to Keyhole already
- [15:10] <Pea14733> Then we'll create Imgur instead?
- [15:10] <Sove> I remember dA has a policy daying that dA is not an image storage, itäs for art purposes
- [15:10] <FifteenthMember> if we make an imgur
- [15:10] <FifteenthMember> we need a few users with the password
- [15:10] <ANX219> da sells people's art to things without crediting
- [15:10] <ANX219> it's sbs
- [15:10] <FifteenthMember> and they need to agree on it
- [15:11] <MateusinhoEX> So I think we should stick with Imgur
- [15:11] <FifteenthMember> aka staff
- [15:11] <ANX219> ah but fm
- [15:11] <ANX219> prIMARILY
- [15:11] <ANX219> staff
- [15:11] <MateusinhoEX> they should be people who work on the magazine a lot
- [15:11] <FifteenthMember> yeah yeah
- [15:11] <FifteenthMember> khwiki and keyhole ofc
- [15:11] <+Xion4ever> All this would be fixed if we let the images be on the wiki.
- [15:11] <FifteenthMember> so Chainoffire
- [15:11] <FifteenthMember> and so
- [15:11] <+Xion4ever> I say go for it.
- [15:11] <MateusinhoEX> They too should have acces, even if not from staff, such as FinalRest
- [15:11] <FifteenthMember> I'm not against uploading to the wiki
- [15:11] <+Xion4ever> So long as the images have a purpose and aren't just there to look at, we go for it.
- [15:11] <FifteenthMember> ither
- [15:12] <FifteenthMember> *either
- [15:12] <FifteenthMember> Actually
- [15:12] <FifteenthMember> I think it'd be for the best
- [15:12] <MateusinhoEX> *access
- [15:12] <Pea14733> So on the wiki, yes?
- [15:12] <+Xion4ever> I implore you guys though, to only upload what is necessary.
- [15:12] <FifteenthMember> to try to break free of the "stern, serious, no fun" image we seem to have
- [15:12] <FifteenthMember> yea
- [15:12] <FifteenthMember> title images
- [15:13] <Pea14733> Okay, we're done
- [15:13] <FifteenthMember> Okay
- [15:13] <FifteenthMember> upload on-wiki
- [15:13] <FifteenthMember> Next?
- [15:13] <Pea14733> Make a clear rule about the names of pages. See discussions like this one and this one
- [15:13] <MateusinhoEX> ALso not against on wiki, but just necessary ones
- [15:13] <+Xion4ever> Skipped one, Pea.
- [15:13] <MateusinhoEX> And should be well categorized
- [15:13] <+Xion4ever> GrandmasterArcturus would like to get more people to do the commentary for the LP besides me and ChainofFire.
- [15:13] <Pea14733> Oh, right sorry
- [15:14] <Pea14733> GOt a little blurry
- [15:14] <Pea14733> Commentary
- [15:14] <+Xion4ever> This is simple, does anyone have the equipment/time to help with the commentary on the LP?
- [15:14] <Pea14733> Is it talking or I can just type?
- [15:14] <FifteenthMember> I can't
- [15:14] <FifteenthMember> pea, talking
- [15:14] <Pea14733> No, then
- [15:15] <+Xion4ever> Neither can I.
- [15:15] <FifteenthMember> we could ask CaF, RoadtoDawn and UC and Erry
- [15:15] <FifteenthMember> aka
- [15:15] <FifteenthMember> Everyone who signed up/done a podcast before
- [15:15] <VanitastheBloody> I don't wanna voice anything.
- [15:15] <+Xion4ever> Sounds like we should be messaging those people on their talkpages/on here. Any volunteers?
- [15:15] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Can't really, either
- [15:16] <+Xion4ever> @ Vanitas: You're already talking to Erry about our affiliation with KHInsider, would you mind adding this to it?
- [15:16] <VanitastheBloody> Can I help without voiceing it.
- [15:16] <+Xion4ever> I don't think so.
- [15:16] * TheSilentHero (~TheSilent@541AF050.cm-5-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
- [15:17] <+Xion4ever> @ SilentHero: Would you be interested in doing some commentary on the KH Lets Play?
- [15:17] <VanitastheBloody> Hey Hero.
- [15:17] <FifteenthMember> You can ask Erry if you want to help
- [15:17] <Draaek> I could probably have the equipment for doing it but idk if my agenda would allow me plus I've never voiced anything in public
- [15:17] <Pea14733> Actually Erry is the one who can do commentarhy
- [15:17] <+Xion4ever> I'll ask Erry.
- [15:17] <TheSilentHero> @Xion no
- [15:18] <+Xion4ever> Okie dokie then.
- [15:18] <FifteenthMember> I can ask around I guess
- [15:18] <TheSilentHero> Is the RT still on?
- [15:18] <Pea14733> Yes
- [15:18] <+Xion4ever> Yup.
- [15:18] <+Xion4ever> FM and I will ask around. We good on this point?
- [15:18] <Pea14733> Yes
- [15:19] <FifteenthMember> yup
- [15:19] <VanitastheBloody> Yep
- [15:19] <Draaek> aye
- [15:19] <Pea14733> Next
- [15:19] <ANX219> yep
- [15:19] <ANX219> aye
- [15:19] <Pea14733> [05:13:43] <Pea14733> Make a clear rule about the names of pages. See discussions like this one and this one
- [15:19] <VanitastheBloody> Silent Hero.
- [15:19] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Talk:Mr._Smee#Name - Link 1
- [15:19] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Talk:Daisukenojo_Bito - Link 2
- [15:19] <VanitastheBloody> http://www.khwiki.com/Talk:Mr._Smee#Name
- [15:19] <ENX> I have an opinion regarding this matter I would like to state.
- [15:20] <ANX219> as we begin the next one?
- [15:20] <ENX> Regarding the page naming rule
- [15:20] <FifteenthMember> go ahead
- [15:20] <ANX219> just checking :^)
- [15:20] <ENX> Thank you.
- [15:20] <Pea14733> We've been using "stable" rule for ages
- [15:20] <ENX> (I'll say done when I'm all set making my statements)
- [15:20] <FifteenthMember> okay
- [15:21] <FifteenthMember> shoot
- [15:21] <ENX> So it is my opinion that we continue using the "stable" rule, according to the Journals in the games.
- [15:21] <VanitastheBloody> You haven't did that in a while ANX219.
- [15:21] <VanitastheBloody> You changed.
- [15:21] <ENX> So even if Smee is Mr. Smee in one game, he's just Smee because he's called so in all the others
- [15:22] <FifteenthMember> Okay
- [15:22] <ENX> In cases like Mickey vs. The King, we use the name that is more recognizable in terms of the character
- [15:22] <FifteenthMember> Well
- [15:22] <FifteenthMember> I'd say, in cases that applies, we use the character's full name
- [15:22] <FifteenthMember> e.g. Will/William Turner
- [15:22] <FifteenthMember> Mickey Mouse
- [15:22] <FifteenthMember> Fa Mulan
- [15:22] <FifteenthMember> etc.
- [15:22] <ENX> But he's not called William Turner in Kingdom Hearts, is my point.
- [15:22] <FifteenthMember> oh
- [15:23] <FifteenthMember> nvr mind then
- [15:23] <MateusinhoEX> ANd Will would be a redirect, then?
- [15:23] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
- [15:23] <VanitastheBloody> Can we discuss Donald vs Donald Duck for images.
- [15:23] <ENX> Otherwise we're becoming too much of a Disney/FF Wiki
- [15:23] <FifteenthMember> redirects will ofv be there
- [15:23] <FifteenthMember> I was misinformed
- [15:23] <FifteenthMember> I thought william turner was kh canon
- [15:23] <FifteenthMember> i apologise
- [15:23] <ENX> It's why we use Leon instead of Squall Leonhart, for example
- [15:23] <+Xion4ever> ENX, are you saying we go by what the majority of the games call a character over our current rule of first game sets the name?
- [15:23] <TheSilentHero> What about Beat's full name?
- [15:23] <FifteenthMember> I'd agree with ENX on that
- [15:24] <FifteenthMember> Joshua mentioned it
- [15:24] <VanitastheBloody> We should just say Beat.
- [15:24] <FifteenthMember> So I'd say yes
- [15:24] <ENX> I'm basically saying, Xion4ever, that just in general we do what the game says
- [15:24] <FifteenthMember> Beat is a nickname
- [15:24] <MateusinhoEX> Exactly what ENX said.
- [15:24] <+Xion4ever> The problem is that the games aren't consistent.
- [15:24] <ENX> And yes, Beat would be Beat, not his full name
- [15:24] <FifteenthMember> So it is just an alias
- [15:24] <MateusinhoEX> Beat is called like that by Joshua
- [15:24] <Pea14733> What does the journal says
- [15:24] <+Xion4ever> Unless we go by just the most recent game.
- [15:24] <+Xion4ever> Take Smee for example.
- [15:24] <MateusinhoEX> Plus, I think that's his name in the Reports.
- [15:24] <FifteenthMember> Xion, it's not consistent so we go by majority
- [15:24] <TheSilentHero> For Mickey, it's just adding a last name, but Beat's name changes completely
- [15:24] <ENX> Just because it's used once in a cutscene, the game consistently calls him Beat.
- [15:25] <FifteenthMember> The journal uses full name, no?
- [15:25] <ENX> This is why I mentioned character recognizability
- [15:25] <VanitastheBloody> Um, I don't know.
- [15:25] <FifteenthMember> (someone check; I may be wrong)
- [15:25] <VanitastheBloody> It use the king
- [15:25] <ENX> And no, I believe it uses Beat
- [15:25] <FifteenthMember> nvr mind then
- [15:25] <VanitastheBloody> In RE; com
- [15:25] <TheSilentHero> I'll check
- [15:25] <MateusinhoEX> Yeah, ENX is right.
- [15:25] <MateusinhoEX> And the full name then, would be a redirect
- [15:26] <MateusinhoEX> I would say the same :v
- [15:26] <ENX> Since KH calls him Beat most of the time, I, not knowing of TWEWY apart from KH, would search "Beat" to know more about him
- [15:26] <ENX> As an example of what I mean
- [15:26] <ENX> What about the Jacks?
- [15:26] <VanitastheBloody> I know TWEWY some.
- [15:26] <VanitastheBloody> I see Beat alot.
- [15:26] <ENX> Skellington and Sparrow
- [15:26] <ENX> Would we use Jack (Port Royal) and Jack (Halloween Town)?
- [15:27] <TheSilentHero> Journal says Beat
- [15:27] <FifteenthMember> Jack Sparrow
- [15:27] <FifteenthMember> Jack Skellington
- [15:27] <FifteenthMember> Makes much more sense
- [15:27] <ENX> Then Beat it should be, because he's more consistently called Beat in KH than the one time he's called Daisukenojo Bito
- [15:27] <TheSilentHero> I believe they are called Skellington and Sparrow in the journal
- [15:27] <ENX> He's even called Beat in the KH advertisements.
- [15:27] <ENX> Then that's fine. Just threw it out there.
- [15:28] <+Xion4ever> I think we're back to original rule...
- [15:28] <MateusinhoEX> Shouldn't we just stick with the name the JOurnal uses?
- [15:28] <ENX> What I'd like to see is "The" being used in article titles if the name in the game uses "The"
- [15:28] <ENX> And the names in the journal
- [15:28] <FifteenthMember> such as?
- [15:28] <FifteenthMember> We have "The Peddlar"
- [15:28] <ENX> So Kevin Flynn should be Flynn
- [15:28] <FifteenthMember> I'd say
- [15:28] <FifteenthMember> We take all the names used in the journals
- [15:28] <TheSilentHero> What about ability names?
- [15:28] <FifteenthMember> And use the most occuring
- [15:29] <FifteenthMember> abilities would be the same
- [15:29] <FifteenthMember> the one used the most often
- [15:29] <ENX> ^ Exactly my opinion on both points
- [15:29] <FifteenthMember> They all have one name so it's simpler
- [15:29] <ENX> I believe the "First game gets first dibs" rule applied only to the Heartless whose names were changed in Days
- [15:29] <+Xion4ever> I think this needs a forum, ENX.
- [15:29] <FifteenthMember> if there's a case where
- [15:30] <MateusinhoEX> ^basically adapt the name according to the journal. For example, names with "The" in the Journal, should be without it in the article
- [15:30] <ENX> Xion4ever, I believe basically everything we discussed today does :P
- [15:30] <MateusinhoEX> JOurnal must be used most for names with conflicts, such as the case of Beat
- [15:30] <FifteenthMember> there is a subject with two names
- [15:30] <FifteenthMember> and both are used the same amount of times
- [15:30] <FifteenthMember> We give preferences to the ones used in the older entries, I guess
- [15:30] <FifteenthMember> that handles heartless that appear only in kh/days with different names
- [15:30] <MateusinhoEX> take the most recent, I guess?
- [15:31] <ENX> MateusinhoEX, I would use The in the article title because "Mayor" and "Peddlar" are just generic terms and are not names in and of themselves.
- [15:31] <FifteenthMember> recent vs old
- [15:31] <TheSilentHero> In a recent discussion someone said we use the most recent licalization
- [15:31] <FifteenthMember> I'd do old tbh
- [15:31] <FifteenthMember> it doesn't really matter, but old is probably the more recognisable to the readers
- [15:31] <ENX> I agree, FM
- [15:31] <TheSilentHero> *localization
- [15:31] <FifteenthMember> e.g.
- [15:31] <FifteenthMember> a new game comes out, we change all the names
- [15:31] <FifteenthMember> readers come over, they become confused
- [15:31] <FifteenthMember> because they're not aware yet
- [15:31] <+Xion4ever> ^
- [15:32] <FifteenthMember> So old takes preference over new
- [15:32] <FifteenthMember> in cases where majority rule does not work
- [15:32] <FifteenthMember> I think that's solid
- [15:32] <MateusinhoEX> Agree. It's a specific Peddler and Mayor, not regular ones
- [15:32] <Draaek> I agree with FM
- [15:32] <FifteenthMember> We still enforce the "no title" rule, I presume?
- [15:32] <FifteenthMember> E.g. Jack Sparrow instead of "Captain Jack Sparrow"
- [15:32] <FifteenthMember> or Eraqus instead of Master Eraqus
- [15:32] <TheSilentHero> Don't you think readers will be playing the newer games?
- [15:33] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, afked for the last half hour, but I'm back. Where are we.
- [15:33] <FifteenthMember> reader comes over for help on new game
- [15:33] <FifteenthMember> (names KSM)
- [15:33] <ENX> The titles, I feel, would apply to the journal name
- [15:33] <FifteenthMember> reader only knows about old games; he doesn't know the new games yet
- [15:33] <+Xion4ever> I really think we should open a forum on this.
- [15:33] <ENX> So for instance, I believe it's Master Eraqus in the journal
- [15:33] <+Xion4ever> We've got ideas generating, but we need more people to comment than just us.
- [15:33] <FifteenthMember> The only opinion we don't have is NZ and KK if he notices it
- [15:34] <FifteenthMember> the only likely opinions anyway
- [15:34] <FifteenthMember> so yeah
- [15:34] <FifteenthMember> forum sure for clarification
- [15:34] <MateusinhoEX> So okay. With conflicting names, such as Jack, we use the fullname. People with different names, such as Beat (Daisukenojo Bito), we take what is more used in the game. In case of different names in different games, take the most recurring one. With ones with the same number of occurences, take the oldest and make a redirect with the newer.
- [15:34] <ENX> I feel like when we make all these forums, the roundtable logs should obviously be included or referred to....
- [15:34] <FifteenthMember> sure, sure
- [15:34] <ENX> But basically, MEX
- [15:35] <MateusinhoEX> Put that small explanation on forum
- [15:35] <FifteenthMember> it'll be on roundtable agenda
- [15:35] <FifteenthMember> so
- [15:35] <MateusinhoEX> also, when we use the Journal exactly?
- [15:35] <FifteenthMember> Next?
- [15:35] <+Xion4ever> ENX, you want to create the forum?
- [15:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> "Note on implementing the MA awards."
- [15:35] <FifteenthMember> Err
- [15:35] <FifteenthMember> postponed
- [15:36] <ENX> Xion4ever, I would, but I don't feel like I'm the best at making such forums, more so on commenting on them.
- [15:36] <FifteenthMember> since it might be moved to keyhole
- [15:36] * Aixon (56a5a79b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.165.167.155) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
- [15:36] <FifteenthMember> wb Aixon
- [15:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> FM, if we move it, we'll probably wait till afte the Joint Struggle.
- [15:36] <Aixon> OK, all that time I didn't realise you were still going...
- [15:36] <ENX> Xion4ever, we can piece it together together, if you want. In a PM.
- [15:36] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> And it will probably continue to function the same way
- [15:36] <FifteenthMember> OKay
- [15:36] <FifteenthMember> So
- [15:37] <FifteenthMember> I still think
- [15:37] <FifteenthMember> If we move the MA
- [15:37] <FifteenthMember> we can start the award then
- [15:37] <FifteenthMember> So it's something new and fresh
- [15:37] <VanitastheBloody> Hey, hey, Aixon.
- [15:37] <FifteenthMember> it'll be awkwa+rd
- [15:37] <VanitastheBloody> The MA award.
- [15:37] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, that's fine.
- [15:37] <FifteenthMember> *awkward if the archives were all keyhole winners
- [15:37] <FifteenthMember> Then the first was a khwiki one
- [15:37] <FifteenthMember> anything else?
- [15:37] <FifteenthMember> *on the agenda?
- [15:37] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Nope.
- [15:38] <FifteenthMember> Ah
- [15:38] <FifteenthMember> well
- [15:38] <FifteenthMember> we are done
- [15:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I need to know something.
- [15:38] <FifteenthMember> unless we go back to operation keychian
- [15:38] <FifteenthMember> *keychain
- [15:38] <FifteenthMember> yes KSM?
- [15:38] <VanitastheBloody> Forum.
- [15:38] <VanitastheBloody> >.>
- [15:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> That's what I wanted to know.
- [15:38] <FifteenthMember> oh
- [15:38] <VanitastheBloody> Everybody says forum.
- [15:38] <FifteenthMember> I'll bring something else up
- [15:38] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> 'Cuz Operation: Keychain is not just The Keyhole's purpose, that was just one thing.
- [15:38] <VanitastheBloody> Which I don't like.
- [15:39] <+Xion4ever> Gotta go.
- [15:39] <VanitastheBloody> Bye.
- [15:39] <FifteenthMember> cya Xion
- [15:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> There's a ton of other things that I want to know if you guys are okay with or not.
- [15:39] <+Xion4ever> Good work, guys. ^_^
- [15:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> See ya Xion.
- [15:39] * +Xion4ever (482f7d69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.47.125.105) Quit
- [15:39] <FifteenthMember> I'll just bring up my point next rt I guess
- [15:39] <FifteenthMember> I was going to say
- [15:39] <Pea14733> We need to break down the operations in different topics then
- [15:39] <FifteenthMember> if we should disband the roundtable
- [15:39] <FinalRest> ^
- [15:39] <FifteenthMember> and give focus to the forums
- [15:39] <FifteenthMember> like the good old days
- [15:39] <FifteenthMember> cos, they're not working that well tbh
- [15:39] <FinalRest> I was agreeing with Pea
- [15:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll be setting them up right now into subpage in my userpage. Do you guys want to discuss them there?
- [15:39] <VanitastheBloody> That won't work.
- [15:40] <Pea14733> No FM no
- [15:40] <FifteenthMember> mmhmm
- [15:40] <FifteenthMember> okay
- [15:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Guys?
- [15:40] <Pea14733> Yes?
- [15:40] <FifteenthMember> KSM
- [15:40] <FifteenthMember> Big forum page
- [15:40] <FifteenthMember> I think
- [15:40] <FifteenthMember> it's important
- [15:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [15:39] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll be setting them up right now into subpages in my userpage. Do you guys want to discuss them there?
- [15:40] <FifteenthMember> Actually
- [15:40] <VanitastheBloody> I dissagree.
- [15:40] <FifteenthMember> Shouldn't it be in Traverse Town
- [15:41] <FifteenthMember> in the "wiki-approved" page
- [15:41] <FifteenthMember> and in KHWiki: space
- [15:41] <Pea14733> Err
- [15:41] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Probably
- [15:41] <FifteenthMember> cos it's mega
- [15:41] <Pea14733> Maybe here but not today
- [15:41] <FifteenthMember> like megaproject arise
- [15:41] <Pea14733> I'm dying
- [15:41] <VanitastheBloody> 1:that will flood the RC
- [15:41] <FifteenthMember> wut?
- [15:41] <VanitastheBloody> 2:EDIT CONFLICTS
- [15:41] <FifteenthMember> wuwt?
- [15:41] <FifteenthMember> *wut?
- [15:41] <ENX> I believe Chainoffire had meantioned discussing my becoming admin again...just throwing that out there because I have to go to dinner now. Xion4ever and I are piecing together a forum about the article titles.
- [15:41] <VanitastheBloody> I disagree on the Forum.
- [15:42] <FifteenthMember> as opposed to having it on the userspace
- [15:42] <VanitastheBloody> I nominate you for an Admin.
- [15:42] <FifteenthMember> which would do the exact same thing?
- [15:42] <VanitastheBloody> ENX
- [15:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Then how do we discuss Operation: Keychain if not on the wiki and not on the IRC right now?
- [15:42] <MateusinhoEX> I was absent a long time, maybe I'm not the best to tell that, but I'm also okay with ENX getting his rights back, after all I heard and saw about him.
- [15:42] <Pea14733> Wiki
- [15:42] <FifteenthMember> ENX, the rule we said when we done the staff policy was two months of consistent activity is required
- [15:42] <FifteenthMember> i don't remember how long you've been back for
- [15:42] <FifteenthMember> but i'll check
- [15:43] <VanitastheBloody> I'll check.
- [15:43] <VanitastheBloody> ^_^
- [15:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'd say at least one month is down, with December.
- [15:43] <FifteenthMember> KSM
- [15:43] <FifteenthMember> Wiki
- [15:43] <Pea14733> On the f***ing wiki please
- [15:43] <FifteenthMember> KHWiki: space
- [15:43] <FifteenthMember> My thoughts
- [15:43] <ENX> Right, now I remember. I think it's been about a month or so, so nevermind. It was December and into January.
- [15:43] <Pea14733> Forum, whatever
- [15:43] <FifteenthMember> Yeah
- [15:43] <ENX> But yeah, dinnertime
- [15:43] * ENX is now known as ENX|Away
- [15:43] <FifteenthMember> So, I'd say, ask again in a month
- [15:43] <FifteenthMember> See ya~
- [15:43] <Pea14733> RC flooding isn't even a problem
- [15:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, I'll set it up in my userspace, adn then move it to KHWiki:space
- [15:43] <FifteenthMember> it's not, no
- [15:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah
- [15:44] <FifteenthMember> sure
- [15:44] <FifteenthMember> I'm going to read your 20 page document now
- [15:44] <VanitastheBloody> Everyone says it is.
- [15:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> More just an issue with NZ because it was the exact same thing on many many pages
- [15:44] <Pea14733> Who say?
- [15:44] <Pea14733> I don't
- [15:44] <FifteenthMember> no
- [15:44] <Pea14733> FOr one
- [15:44] <FifteenthMember> that was because of inappropriate capitalisation
- [15:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It was just NZ when we did the Inappropriate Capitalization
- [15:44] <FifteenthMember> where it was about 2000+ edits
- [15:44] <FifteenthMember> forums are no prob
- [15:45] <FifteenthMember> if people are worried so much about edit flooding
- [15:45] <FifteenthMember> it'll scare them off from editing at all
- [15:45] <VanitastheBloody> That'll be easier to do IC
- [15:45] <FifteenthMember> we don't want that
- [15:45] <VanitastheBloody> It scared ANX off.
- [15:45] <FifteenthMember> personally, i see it fine to do IC on normal accounts
- [15:45] <FifteenthMember> Changing to khwikibot is too tedious
- [15:45] <Pea14733> They can choose to hide certain space from showing up on RC no?
- [15:45] <FifteenthMember> But that's just my opinion
- [15:45] <VanitastheBloody> It is. That's Why I stopped.
- [15:46] <VanitastheBloody> WIth the Inappropriate Capitalization
- [15:46] <FifteenthMember> yeah
- [15:46] <FifteenthMember> Actually
- [15:46] <Pea14733> So are we done?
- [15:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I guess we're done then.
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