Fixing /jp/

Fixing /jp/

 

(15:21:22) +AoC: I'm thinking of proposing a talk to moot to discuss /jp/ status at this anniversary

(15:21:26) +SerWind: I see them posted innocently btu I can see them being missused, might as well delete em

(15:21:40) +VCR_Working: h-h-happy birthday /jp/

(15:21:41) +AoC: what are your thoughts?

(15:21:50) +Sange: Board is a mess

(15:21:51) +VCR_Working: what do you have in mind in particular

(15:21:53) +VCR_Working: 6

(15:21:55) +Deckenkatze: well i BR'd it as 'quality of posts', a mod can decide i guess

(15:21:55) +VCR_Working: ^

(15:22:10) +Sange: We can't discuss Eva because it's /a/ content

(15:22:15) +Sange: but we can discuss trains

(15:22:39) +Sange: Not that I have anything against the train threads

(15:23:08) +AoC: yes, we know the situation is dire and that the team does all they can to keep things under control. The question is how do we move forward

(15:23:16) +andonuts: Delete the board.

(15:23:28) +andonuts: All of the boards.

(15:23:29) +Azatsu: enjoy /a/ being filled with touhou

(15:23:37) +AoC: is it possible to have a route map that will take us to a time when we don't require 24/7 moderation?

(15:23:37) +fsdfdsf: Keep the board

(15:23:39) +Deckenkatze: THE SITUATION LOOKS GRIM GENTLEMEN

(15:23:39) +fsdfdsf: I like how /a/ is

(15:23:42) +Sange: I'd split the board into more objective-themed boards if it depended on me

(15:23:44) +Deckenkatze: srs bsns

(15:23:50) +VCR_Working: nah fsdfdsf

(15:23:51) +AoC: and why do we still have no dedicated mods?

(15:23:53) +VCR_Working: you can have

(15:23:56) +VCR_Working: teh 2hus

(15:24:05) +SerWind: I like andonuts idea

(15:24:07) +andonuts: I still want to push some current "/a/" content to /jp/.

(15:24:13) +Azatsu: ^

(15:24:13) +fsdfdsf: The culture clash from deleting /jp/ would be horrible

(15:24:21) +AoC: buyfag threads would be nice in /jp/

(15:24:25) +andonuts: They really would.

(15:24:30) +VCR_Working: it really would

(15:24:34) +Azatsu: it really would

(15:24:37) +scrubadour: can someone check if Yaldabaoth !!3OKz2BKt5ju was banned yesterday or no?

(15:24:40) +scrubadour: please

(15:24:42) +VCR_Working: but culture clash would be severe

(15:24:52) +andonuts: It wouldn't be bad after a little while, I don't think.

(15:24:53) +Azatsu: /a/ - my friends are here

(15:25:08) +Azatsu: so I wanna talk about figures instead of going to board that was literally made for figures as one of the main topics because my friends are here

(15:25:23) +andonuts: That's a problem with a lot of other boards.

(15:25:25) +VCR_Working: it's not them, it's the natives in jaypee

(15:25:29) +VCR_Working: that i'm worried about

(15:25:30) +Sange: We should just start making our own buyfag threads then a mod can simply redirect the /a/ posters later. this way it would look less forced and there wouldn't be as much shitposting ("/a/ get out")

(15:25:36) +Azatsu: apply that same knowledge

(15:25:43) +andonuts: I wanted to see if I could push some of the /co/ content onto /co/ from /tv/ the other day, while also deleting rec threads.

(15:25:46) +andonuts: Did not work out.

(15:25:47) +VCR_Working: GET OUT OF /jp/ etc

(15:26:03) +Azatsu: so we give up beacuse of elitism?

(15:26:11) +VCR_Working: oh of course not

(15:26:16) +VCR_Working: you know as well as anyone

(15:26:20) +Azatsu: I understand why they haven't moved yet but it just feels like running away from the problem by allowing them

(15:26:23) +VCR_Working: that it'll be rocky as hell

(15:26:34) +Azatsu: Yup

(15:26:37) +Azatsu: I understand that perfectly

(15:26:47) +fsdfdsf: I think the buyfag threads should stasy in /a/ but that /jp/ should have their own. The buyfags on /a/ are going to be like the Idom@s fags, they aren't gonna wanna leave.

(15:26:56) +Sange: We have fig threads on /jp/

(15:27:02) +VCR_Working: yeah

(15:27:14) +Azatsu: im@s justify themselves

(15:27:17) +Azatsu: with ongoing manga

(15:27:25) +Azatsu: what the fuck could the justification of buyfag threads be

(15:27:28) +AoC: I think that if we keep this separation due to userbases we should embrace the idea then

(15:27:31) +Azatsu: "lol we talk about ANIME merchandise"

(15:27:36) +Azatsu: yeah but that's not anime dude

(15:27:39) +AoC: that boards are separated by users and cultures rather than topic

(15:27:49) +Sange: Honestly

(15:27:52) +nikka: shut it down

(15:27:57) +Sange: Before sending more things to /jp/

(15:28:03) +fsdfdsf: I think the buyfag thread keeps people from making those stupid "Why don't you support the industry /a/" threads

(15:28:04) +andonuts: I wish the general thread format would die on /a/.

(15:28:04) +Sange: We need to address other issues

(15:28:08) +VCR_Working: yeah

(15:28:10) +andonuts: I know it's never going to happen, but I want to believe.

(15:28:14) +VCR_Working: what sange said

(15:28:16) +Azatsu: You know, andonuts, I think I agree with you

(15:28:22) +AoC: andonuts, they mostly died a couple years ago

(15:28:27) +andonuts: I'm aware.

(15:28:29) +Azatsu: Maybe the im@s generals are not that awful but they started to pop up again

(15:28:33) +andonuts: Then they made a glorious comeback.

(15:28:40) +AoC: another heavy campaign could get rid of them

(15:28:59) +AoC: as long as it comes with a handful of good mod posts

(15:29:03) +AoC: hearts and minds

(15:29:31) +AoC: rather than imposing arbitrary policy, make it appear as what it is, the staff concerned about the direction of things

(15:29:36) +andonuts: The IM@S threads aren't that awful, it's just an awful feeling looking through after looking through other generals and then going into the IM@S general.

(15:29:36) +VCR_Working: you know what i'm going to defend to the death tho

(15:29:44) +AoC: and taking measures to avoid larger messes

(15:29:50) +andonuts: I accidently some words.

(15:30:18) +fsdfdsf: Eva general will like start again once the BD comes out

(15:30:24) +fsdfdsf: All the people who didn't watch the cam rip

(15:30:43) +Azatsu: what can be done to fix /jp/, though? It just feels like every decision we take will just explode the board

(15:31:14) +Sange: I think /jp/ needs to be rebuilt from scratch or split into separated boards before anything is moved from /a/. The resident autists would throw a shitfit because of the /a/nons discussing anime & manga merchandise on the board, because they think anything related to anime and manga does not belong on /jp/

(15:31:46) +AoC: I've said from all 3 sides of the conflict, anime & manga is not the issue but rather how spammed it is/was

(15:31:51) +andonuts: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/02/19/172381056/quite-a-haul-50-million-worth-of-diamonds-stolen-in-lightning-fast-heist

(15:31:53) +VCR_Working: yeah

(15:31:54) +AoC: we used to have good seasonal anime threads

(15:32:26) +AoC: I like the idea of overhauling the board, but how without driving away the good posters

(15:32:33) +AoC: and triggering the spammers

(15:32:50) +Sange: They won't go away, they're still here even after 2011

(15:32:57) +Sange: and we need to address the inconsistencies

(15:32:58) +AoC: bless their souls

(15:33:30) +fsdfdsf: How they have souls still

(15:33:35) +fsdfdsf: Is beyond me

(15:33:59) +VCR_Working: their favorite colors are black

(15:34:03) +VCR_Working: LIKE THEIR SOULSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

(15:34:10) +VCR_Working: or brown colored

(15:34:12) +VCR_Working: like shit

(15:35:14) +AoC: Personally, I think we should get rid of the /jp/ name, start a new board that satisfies the same topic niches and provide structure from the start

(15:35:41) +AoC: because our issues are not tied to our topics, but rather the culture of our posters

(15:35:51) +Sange: I'd rather we split it into different boards, some topics on /jp/ just can't coexist with one another

(15:36:23) +AoC: we might not have the critical mass for it though, unless you somehow manage to attract other misc. topics from other boards

(15:37:11) +Sange: And I'm not sure why the website needs one board for everything else Japanese when 2ch and Futaba have a bunch of boards even for just one type of medium

(15:37:32) +AoC: as much as it sounds like bending the knee, the idea of a 2D/Random /ni/ would cover the niche of a lesser /b/, more oriented towards the original Anime/Random roots of 4chan at large

(15:38:43) +fsdfdsf: I like the idea of having a second /a/

(15:38:47) +nikka: became asian culture general already

(15:39:19) +fsdfdsf: I roll it around though and it scares me

(15:40:35) %RapeApe9k: you'll have to come up with a concrete proposal with clearly defined topics & rules

(15:41:24) +Sange: I'd personally split /jp/ into /2d/ (nijiura-like board where the non-discussion/random 2D threads could be sent to from /a/ and /jp/), a touhou board (it produces a shitload of fan content, it wouldn't be like /mlp/ at all), and some other board to send VNs and doujinsoft

(15:41:48) +Azatsu: Split it into 3 boards seems a bit dangerous

(15:41:51) +Azatsu: but it's still an interesting idea

(15:42:33) %RapeApe9k: >VNs and doujinsoft

(15:42:38) %RapeApe9k: expand upong that please

(15:42:41) %RapeApe9k: *upon

(15:42:54) +Sange: Well, it's the other stuff that's currently a core part of /jp/

(15:43:01) +Sange: Although they could just go to /vg/ now

(15:43:10) +Deckenkatze: /vj/ - rape simulators

(15:43:14) +AoC: Visual Novels, both translated and untranslated. Perhaps OELVN as well and provide a single nexus for all

(15:43:33) +AoC: instead of forcing a wall between /vg/ and /jp/

(15:43:54) +VCR_Working: anyway i like where it's going, and i appreciate you approaching the concept seriously

(15:43:55) %RapeApe9k: AoC: is there a word that could summarize all that content.

(15:43:58) +VCR_Working: whoops wrong channel

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(15:44:21) %RapeApe9k: treat me as if i don't know jack shit about this

(15:44:26) +Sange: Doujinsoft is basically indie Japanese software, and VNs are commonly called "dating sims"

(15:45:17) +Azatsu: VN, Visual Novel, a type of game where you scroll through texts, take choices and these choices will determine the end of the game

(15:45:22) +AoC: well, Visual Novel does indeed cover every single game that is narrative heavy and dependent on player choice.

(15:45:39) +AoC: some would say that The Walking Dead game is a VN as it is

(15:45:47) +AoC: along with Phoenix Wright

(15:45:48) +Azatsu: It features 2D anime style, with the dialogue usally being displayed in a dialogue box below the scenario and/or character

(15:46:04) +fsdfdsf: Also rape

(15:46:05) +Azatsu: It usually features porn, but not always porn is the main atractive of the game

(15:46:09) +Sange: That's the gist of it if we are not to go into specifics

(15:46:18) %RapeApe9k: OK, so a place for both Japanese and English visually oriented, narrative heavy storytelling.

(15:46:37) +Sange: I think having OELVNs there would be a terrible idea

(15:46:41) +Sange: they're already fine on /vg/

(15:46:47) +Azatsu: OELVNs aren't big enough

(15:47:11) +Azatsu: they are mostly (if not almost all) made by amateur groups, whereas there are thousands of VN companies in Japan

(15:47:18) %RapeApe9k: but Sange, just VNs would be taking a part of an already tiny board, and making a full board out of it

(15:47:50) +Sange: RapeApe, this last board would just be /jp/ without the random and Touhou threads, basically

(15:47:53) +Azatsu: There are VN communities in /a/, /jp/, /u/, /v/, /m/, and /vg/

(15:48:10) +AoC: that's why I proposed adding the /vg/ community to it. Otherwise we could skip /vn/ altogether and ask the current /jp/ community to make a couple generals there

(15:48:19) +AoC: since they're already focused in 2 threads now

(15:48:37) +Sange: Yeah, the last board is not actually needed since /vg/

(15:48:43) +AoC: OR

(15:48:52) +AoC: we could expand even more and make /cyoa/

(15:48:55) +Azatsu: Touhou also has a very big following in /a/, /u/, /v/, and obviously /jp/

(15:48:59) %RapeApe9k: which is what i was getting at, AoC

(15:49:05) %RapeApe9k: two birds, etc

(15:49:09) +AoC: and take in /tg/ Quests and other writefag threads in other boards

(15:49:44) %RapeApe9k: so we are taking content with similar themes from multiple boards, and forging one board

(15:49:49) +Sange: The /jp/ VN posters would just move to /vg/ in that case, though

(15:49:51) +AoC: I'm aware there's not much of a user overlap right now

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(15:50:11) +Azatsu: Eh, I think a /vn/ board COULD work, but /vg/ works too I guess

(15:50:14) %RapeApe9k: that's fine. an entirely new community would be desirable

(15:50:35) +AoC: There's also the concept of /dg/ - Doujin/Games

(15:50:45) +Kazisho: Seriously, while having /vn/ or /th/ would be very nice I'd like to see /nij/ instead so /jp/ can be all clean with a range of topics.

(15:51:25) %RapeApe9k: what is nijiura?

(15:51:32) +Kazisho: Random board on Futaba.

(15:51:39) +Deckenkatze: may i half-seriously suggest a board for alpha/beta, loveshy, relationships, and feel discussions

(15:51:39) +Kazisho: Or rather, boards.

(15:51:40) +Azatsu: Nijigen ura

(15:51:40) %RapeApe9k: so Random/2d

(15:51:42) +AoC: Kazisho my idea with /nij/ is cleansing ALL the boards of the threat of tfw no gf 2D > 3D culture

(15:51:43) +Sange: 2D/random Futaba boards

(15:51:45) +Kazisho: Yes.

(15:51:47) %RapeApe9k: k

(15:51:49) +Azatsu: 2D dimensions reverse

(15:51:52) +Azatsu: literally translated

(15:52:05) +Azatsu: Why the reverse? Because they have multiple /b/ boards

(15:52:15) +Azatsu: each one of them with a unique culture and userbase

(15:52:28) +AoC: which was the idea with /jp/ at the start, to clean the "so ronery" threads from back then

(15:52:33) +Kazisho: There is one that has about as many posts as /v/.

(15:52:35) %RapeApe9k: so /th/, /nij/, /cyoa/

(15:52:44) +Azatsu: a board for /cyoa/?

(15:52:47) +Azatsu: Hmm....

(15:52:59) +Sange: I support a /nij/, /th/ and one last board for all the stuff that would be left without a home if /jp/ were to disappear, in case said threads wouldn't be moved to /vg/ and elsewhere

(15:53:00) +AoC: I would make /th/ /gn/ - Gensokyo instead

(15:53:07) %RapeApe9k: ok

(15:53:17) +Azatsu: /gn/? hah

(15:53:24) +Kazisho: /gn/cide.

(15:53:30) %RapeApe9k: /cyoa/ would absorb VNs & doujinsoft

(15:53:37) %RapeApe9k: plus quests of all stripes

(15:53:46) +Azatsu: Hmm, sending VNs together with doujinsoft and quests

(15:53:51) +Azatsu: I'd at least make a different name then

(15:54:07) +AoC: we forgot about buyfags, kigurumi and dolls though

(15:54:20) +nikka: toy

(15:54:23) +AoC: nope

(15:54:25) +nikka: exist send them there

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(15:54:33) +AoC: no articulations, not toy

(15:54:35) %RapeApe9k: why not toy?

(15:55:08) %RapeApe9k: a board just for japanese merchandise wouldn't have a very large community

(15:55:37) +AoC: I feel like the niche is there, from the buyfag threads in both /a/ and /v/

(15:55:47) +Azatsu: Ugh...

(15:55:48) +AoC: people enjoy sharing new stuff and unpacking what they got

(15:55:58) +fsdfdsf: Yea it might be larger than you think

(15:56:03) %RapeApe9k: ok

(15:56:05) +Sange: /2d/ - 2D/Random, /th/ - Touhou, /newjp/ - All other japanese media and merchandise without a board with no mentions of trains and tea, plus /cyoa/ maybe?

(15:56:12) +Azatsu: In this case, not only both communities are awfully different, there is a huge market in Japan about japanese figures

(15:56:18) +Azatsu: Hundreds of brands and everything

(15:56:29) %RapeApe9k: /newjp/ isn't going to work

(15:56:34) +AoC: ^

(15:56:40) %RapeApe9k: 'other' isn't a way to define a board

(15:56:42) +Azatsu: I feel like it would be a clusterfuck of meta and redirects

(15:56:43) +AoC: no more kitchensink boards

(15:57:02) +AoC: /jp/ failed because it lacks direction, which is what we're trying to avoid

(15:57:16) +Sange: I think it failed because it was too vague

(15:57:22) %RapeApe9k: try to think of names and board codes that are obvious as fuck to the facebook crowd

(15:57:49) +AoC: /2d/;npd

(15:57:54) %RapeApe9k: i have to get food. this is a good conversation, and i hope to get a proposal to bring to moot.

(15:57:54) +Sange: Would /vg/ be fine with receiving the old threads from /jp/?

(15:58:27) +Azatsu: I dont really like the idea of just sending generals to /vg/

(15:58:31) +AoC: /vg/ is not a single community, but an archipelago. I think they'd be fine with it

(15:58:33) +Sange: Because things like 3DCG can't go on a /cyoa/ board

(15:58:44) +Azatsu: I know they were made a containment board but they have to keep up with too much shit

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(15:58:50) +Azatsu: that isn't even related to video games

(15:58:56) +Azatsu: toonami comes to mind

(15:58:59) +AoC: problem is would old/jp/ be fine with it, since they perceive that the discussion quality is lower there

(15:59:19) +Sange: They would make an untranslated Visual Novel thread or something

(15:59:22) +fsdfdsf: You can bet there will be users who will say fuck that

(15:59:26) +Kazisho: /vg/ should've been just "/g/", really.