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  1. [14:44] <bkc> alright, next team
  2. [14:45] <%San_Pellegrino> http://pastebin.com/qXFmph7f
  3. [14:45] <bkc> Mr. Coltrane can do the honors
  4. [14:45] <%San_Pellegrino> ^that is lizardman's
  5. [14:45] <bkc> sniper kingdra makes me sad
  6. [14:45] <bkc> swift swim please
  7. [14:45] <Rewer> its rain
  8. [14:45] <Rewer> lol
  9. [14:45] <yee> well i would use drizzle toed :P
  10. [14:45] <bkc> o he has politoed too
  11. [14:45] <bkc> fuk
  12. [14:45] <harsha2014> Water Absorb
  13. [14:45] <harsha2014> XD
  14. [14:45] <+Nachos> sand veil duggy
  15. [14:45] <LizardMan> Dragonite is supposed to be Multiscale, and Politoed is supposed to be Drizzle. Arena Trap Dugtrio too.
  16. [14:45] <LizardMan> PO fucked my abilities up.
  17. [14:45] <yee> lol
  18. 01[14:45] <ShakeItUp> lol
  19. [14:46] <Rewer> whatever we know what abilities pokemon is supposed to have
  20. [14:46] <Rewer> that shouldnt be relevant
  21. [14:46] <bkc> i will abuse sub + sand veil dugtrio in conjunction with ttar and take the metagame by storm
  22. 01[14:46] <ShakeItUp> Lol
  23. 01[14:46] <ShakeItUp> ya some +6 virizion tries to take u out with giga drain and the guy spams gg
  24. [14:46] <LizardMan> Spec'd Kingdra is like.. Spec'd Gastrodon. Bulky rain abuser.
  25. 01[14:46] <ShakeItUp> and he misses and u win
  26. [14:46] <bkc> first off, i think running spikes on ferro is a really good idea
  27. 01[14:46] <ShakeItUp> sand veil dugtrio ftw.
  28. [14:46] <Scarfwynaut> use sand attack to rub it in
  29. [14:46] <harsha2014> lol
  30. [14:47] <bkc> extra hazards are always cool and you already have a spinblocker
  31. [14:47] <+Tomahawk> yh ferro wants spikes
  32. [14:47] <LizardMan> Oops. I do have Spikes on my Ferrothorn.
  33. [14:47] <LizardMan> I run it over Gyro Ball.
  34. [14:47] <Rewer> lol
  35. [14:47] <bkc> good man
  36. [14:47] <Rewer> well
  37. [14:47] <+Tomahawk> also lizardman, any threats you have noticed?
  38. 01[14:47] <ShakeItUp> lol.
  39. [14:47] <LizardMan> That was a typo as well.
  40. [14:47] <bkc> also this is more preference than anything but i think specs gastrodon is a good idea
  41. [14:47] <LizardMan> Well, Sabelye has been underwhelming. I used to use LO Deoxys S > Sabelye.
  42. [14:47] <bkc> it makes facing volt-turn alot easier and hits like a truck under rain
  43. [14:47] <LizardMan> Then it got banned
  44. 01[14:47] <ShakeItUp> is there a reason
  45. 01[14:47] <ShakeItUp> that you kingdra
  46. 01[14:47] <ShakeItUp> is so slow
  47. 01[14:47] <ShakeItUp> ._.
  48. [14:47] <bkc> oh lizard i know this team
  49. [14:47] <Olympus> I dont like encore on Scarf Toed.
  50. 01[14:47] <ShakeItUp> your*
  51. [14:47] <bkc> ab2 showed it to me
  52. [14:47] <LizardMan> It checks a bunch of things.
  53. [14:48] <bkc> why sableye as a deo-s replacement though
  54. [14:48] <LizardMan> Yeah, the original version Tiffanyy and I built.
  55. 01[14:48] <ShakeItUp> scarf toed encore is pretty good
  56. [14:48] <LizardMan> Then AB2 and I modified it.
  57. 02[14:48] * aceattorney (Mibbit@synIRC-6BCD9A0C.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  58. 01[14:48] <ShakeItUp> there's nothing else to use there anyway
  59. 02[14:48] * ninja (Mibbit@69E171E6.7194A50.B2BD3B6.IP) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  60. [14:48] <+Tomahawk> yh i agree with siu kingdra likes more speed
  61. 01[14:48] <ShakeItUp> focus blast is awful on scarf toed.
  62. [14:48] <yee> yeah focus blast should only be on specs
  63. [14:48] <harsha2014> HP Grass?
  64. [14:48] <Olympus> But it helps muscle past ferro
  65. [14:48] <bkc> kingdra wants 224 speed
  66. 01[14:48] <ShakeItUp> not really
  67. [14:48] <bkc> to beat adamant gyarados
  68. 01[14:48] <ShakeItUp> focus blast does like
  69. [14:48] <yee> it doesnt even 2hko it
  70. 01[14:48] <ShakeItUp> 40%
  71. 01[14:48] <ShakeItUp> lol
  72. [14:48] <harsha2014> Only does like 40%
  73. [14:48] <yee> and you miss too
  74. [14:48] <harsha2014> Yeah
  75. 01[14:48] <ShakeItUp> ill calc
  76. [14:48] <harsha2014> God stop ninjaing me
  77. [14:48] <harsha2014> XD
  78. [14:48] <LizardMan> I used to use CM Wish Jirachi > Dugtrio. The main reason why I used Sabelye is to spinblock my spikes, and I missed Deoxys S's speed way too much.
  79. [14:49] <LizardMan> Fast WoW is nice, but it just isn't the same.
  80. 01[14:49] <ShakeItUp> ya it does like 44
  81. 01[14:49] <ShakeItUp> lol
  82. [14:49] <harsha2014> lol
  83. [14:49] <bkc> if you want toed to kill gastro
  84. [14:49] <bkc> use hp grass
  85. [14:49] <bkc> focus blast is for abomasnow
  86. [14:49] <bkc> who otherwise walls the shit out of politoed
  87. [14:49] <yee> i wouldnt focus blast an aboma anyway
  88. [14:50] <bkc> i'd hit it on the switch but its mainly filler
  89. [14:50] <harsha2014> Accuracy is too low
  90. [14:50] <yee> its just miss and miss the KO if it does hit
  91. [14:50] <harsha2014> Yeah
  92. [14:50] <bkc> its not _that_ big a deal
  93. 01[14:50] <ShakeItUp> is d-nite's ev spread ok? i mean i guess its the best possible but it seems kinda wasteful...
  94. 01[14:50] <ShakeItUp> idk.
  95. [14:50] <harsha2014> I've gotta go. See y'all later I guess
  96. [14:50] <bkc> bye
  97. [14:50] <+Tomahawk> lizardman
  98. [14:51] <+Tomahawk> bye
  99. 02[14:51] * harsha2014 (Mibbit@synIRC-20B7F197.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  100. [14:51] <+Tomahawk> are there any specific threats that have been bothering you
  101. [14:51] <LizardMan> I haven't used the team in a while.
  102. [14:51] <LizardMan> So I am unsure
  103. [14:51] <bkc> volt turn is the only thing that looks slightly bothersome
  104. [14:51] <bkc> i'd try specs gastrodon over kingdra
  105. [14:52] <yee> well scaftoed actually does fairly well against it
  106. [14:52] <yee> ooh this is looking like my old team if we do that
  107. [14:52] <bkc> drizzle of spring?
  108. [14:52] <yee> no
  109. [14:52] <yee> rainyee
  110. [14:52] <Rewer> ferro set hazards and kingdra can smash though it
  111. [14:52] <yee> those are super old though lol
  112. [14:52] <bkc> yea i guess
  113. [14:52] <bkc> specs gastro is cool though
  114. [14:52] <bkc> but if kingdra works then it works
  115. [14:53] <yee> anything in particular kingdra does thats cool?
  116. [14:53] <Rewer> i never used specs gastro so i cant give it a solid opinion
  117. [14:53] <LizardMan> Kingdra's dragon STAB is amazing.
  118. [14:53] <LizardMan> Although Spec'd Gastrodon is definitly worth a shot.
  119. [14:53] <yee> the problem then is
  120. [14:53] <yee> quite opened up to NP celebi
  121. [14:53] <yee> even more so than before
  122. [14:53] <Rewer> whats the full team again
  123. 03[14:53] * Aerrow (~chatzilla@synIRC-DAD698D.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #ratemyteam
  124. 03[14:53] * Porygon2 sets mode: +h Aerrow
  125. [14:53] <yee> assuming they actually run something other than grass/fire
  126. 01[14:54] <ShakeItUp> http://pastebin.com/qXFmph7f
  127. 01[14:54] <ShakeItUp> @ rewer
  128. [14:54] <LizardMan> I like how Spec'd Kingdra can use Draco Meteor, and not care about Pursuit nearly as much as a Latios.
  129. [14:54] <yee> yeah that sounds cool
  130. [14:54] <yee> in that sense
  131. [14:54] <yee> specs hydreigon could do that
  132. [14:55] <yee> although it doesnt check hp ice celebi
  133. [14:55] <yee> rare enough i wouldnt bother with it
  134. [14:55] <Rewer> kind of does
  135. [14:55] <bkc> twave ferro can slow celebi down
  136. [14:55] <yee> at least psychic variants are checked
  137. [14:55] <bkc> even if its temporary
  138. [14:55] <yee> oh yeah that too
  139. [14:55] <Rewer> dark pulse specs
  140. [14:55] <yee> thats convenient
  141. [14:55] <bkc> and then dnite / hydre can revenge
  142. [14:55] <yee> because it can take boosted earth powers from hp ice bi
  143. [14:56] <Rewer> any reason
  144. [14:56] <Rewer> for not running speed
  145. [14:56] <Rewer> on kingdr\
  146. [14:56] <LizardMan> I liked the bulk to switch in easily with its solid typing.
  147. [14:56] <LizardMan> I figured since I can't abuse Swift Swim, I can abuse its respectable bulk.
  148. 03[14:57] * Texas|afk is now known as texas
  149. 03[14:57] * New_World_Order (~N.W.O.@synIRC-2B73C409.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  150. 03[14:57] * Porygon2 sets mode: +h New_World_Order
  151. 03[14:57] * texas is now known as Texas
  152. [14:57] <LizardMan> CB Scizor's U-Turn only does 60%, and Volcarona's +1 Bug Buzz doesn't kill.
  153. [14:57] <bkc> i'd run 224 spe minimum
  154. [14:57] <bkc> may as well outrun gyarados
  155. [14:57] <bkc> or at least 216 to beat adamant dnite
  156. [14:58] <Olympus> How about signal beam over surf on kingdra to hit celebi.
  157. [14:58] <LizardMan> Its definitly worth a test. I liked the bulk for Gyarados actually. iirc, I might be able to live a Bounce.
  158. [14:58] <%New_World_Order> sorry about being late
  159. [14:58] <%New_World_Order> had irl stuff to do
  160. 01[14:58] <ShakeItUp> signal beam seems kinda pointless
  161. [14:58] <LizardMan> Signal Beam is a solid idea too. Although I would probably use it over Dragon Pulse.
  162. 01[14:58] <ShakeItUp> but
  163. 01[14:58] <ShakeItUp> hmm
  164. [14:58] <yee> http://pastebin.com/qXFmph7f
  165. 01[14:58] <ShakeItUp> i guess it could work.
  166. [14:58] <LizardMan> Since Surf in rain is solid.
  167. [14:58] <yee> rate!
  168. [14:58] <LizardMan> For when you just don't want to risk that 80% accuracy.
  169. [14:59] <yee> yeah surf is a much better move to spam IMO
  170. [14:59] <Olympus> thats personal preference which move you replace
  171. [14:59] <LizardMan> I disliked it when Celebi used to be faster and heal off my Draco Meteor.
  172. [14:59] <yee> i wouldnt ever rely on anything lower than 85 personally
  173. [14:59] <%New_World_Order> lol the ferrothorn EVs look awkward
  174. [14:59] <LizardMan> So Signal Beam would be helpful in that respect.
  175. [14:59] <%New_World_Order> what's it used to survive?
  176. [14:59] <LizardMan> Well, they hit a jump point in defense.
  177. [15:00] <LizardMan> Then I put the rest in special defense.
  178. [15:00] <yee> well the rest of your team kinda gets run over by dragons
  179. [15:00] <yee> lum DD variants in general
  180. [15:00] <LizardMan> They look odd, but I was tired of getting 3HKO'd by Nite's Outrage.
  181. [15:00] <yee> so defense is nice
  182. [15:00] <%New_World_Order> hmm, where's signal beam coming from?
  183. [15:00] <LizardMan> I can also live Scarf Terrakion's CC.
  184. [15:00] <LizardMan> Kingdra
  185. [15:05] <Rewer> actualy 4
  186. 02[15:05] * Scarfwynaut (Mibbit@synIRC-163ECE27.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  187. [15:05] <LizardMan> A spinner would be useful
  188. [15:05] <Rewer> very
  189. 03[15:05] * Tomahawk (Mibbit@synIRC-47C86D73.cm-6-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #ratemyteam
  190. [15:05] <Rewer> tspikes hurt your team
  191. [15:06] <Rewer> very much
  192. [15:06] <LizardMan> Especially with matchups like Sun stall
  193. [15:06] <yee> yeah with sash duggy
  194. [15:06] <yee> problem is
  195. [15:06] <LizardMan> Which wiped the floor with me before.
  196. [15:06] <yee> if you run starmie
  197. [15:06] <Tomahawk> bkc
  198. [15:06] <LizardMan> If I didn't time Dugtrio well enough
  199. [15:06] <yee> youre pretty much gonna turn into stone colds reflections team
  200. [15:06] <PenguinX> netsplit <3
  201. [15:06] <Olympus> Starmie over kingdra
  202. 03[15:06] * Heist (~Heist@synIRC-97F5E8EF.cable.telstraclear.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  203. 03[15:06] * Porygon2 sets mode: +h Heist
  204. [15:06] <Tomahawk> did you all d/c a few minutes ago?
  205. [15:06] <Tomahawk> or was it me
  206. [15:06] <LizardMan> It was a netsplit
  207. [15:06] <Rewer> it was (nexus.hub.us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net users
  208. 03[15:07] * D4RR3N is now known as D4RR3N_SL33P
  209. 03[15:07] * harsha2014 (Mibbit@synIRC-20B7F197.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  210. [15:07] <harsha2014> What team are we rating now?
  211. [15:07] <LizardMan> http://pastebin.com/zXcAH3Vq
  212. [15:07] <LizardMan> My team
  213. [15:07] <harsha2014> Oh, alright.
  214. [15:07] <bkc> hi tomahawk
  215. [15:07] <Tomahawk> meh i gtg
  216. [15:07] <Tomahawk> hi bkc
  217. [15:07] <LizardMan> I use Spikes > Gyro Ball. That was a typo. My abilities are wrong too
  218. [15:07] <Tomahawk> it was a netsplit apparently
  219. [15:07] <Tomahawk> or something
  220. [15:07] <harsha2014> See ya Tomohawk.
  221. [15:08] <harsha2014> I know. I was here when we looked at it first.
  222. 02[15:08] * Tomahawk (Mibbit@synIRC-47C86D73.cm-6-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  223. 03[15:08] * Theebay707 (Mibbit@synIRC-D69C9CDA.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  224. 02[15:10] * Noodlez (Mibbit@synIRC-FAD83481.war.clearwire-wmx.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
  225. [15:10] <Olympus> So what are we going to do for a spinner
  226. 02[15:10] * harsha2014 (Mibbit@synIRC-20B7F197.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  227. [15:10] <yee> well tornadus is a huge weakness
  228. 02[15:10] * ctiamaway (cti@The.inner.machinations.of.my.mind.are.an.enigma) Quit (Ping timeout)
  229. 03[15:10] * ctiamaway (~cti@8E6BA89.9D850C1E.71EFCE1F.IP) has joined #ratemyteam
  230. 02[15:11] * bkc (BKC@rt.of.ruin) Quit (Ping timeout)
  231. 03[15:12] * bkc (Mibbit@synIRC-BF07E1B9.cust.centrio.cz) has joined #ratemyteam
  232. [15:12] <yee> anyone have an idea to help with that?
  233. [15:13] <Olympus> Starmie over Kingdra can spin and revenge kill Tornadu assuming its not scarfed
  234. 02[15:13] * ExpertPhysics (Mibbit@synIRC-81885242.mc.videotron.ca) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  235. [15:13] <%San_Pellegrino> why is tornadus a problem
  236. [15:14] <Rewer> no flying resist
  237. [15:14] <DoughBoy> another way (though less viable) is to put Donphan with ice shard somewhere
  238. [15:14] <yee> because theres no flying resist
  239. [15:14] <yee> donphan does like 30% with ice shard
  240. 01[15:14] <ShakeItUp> how does donphan deal with tornadus
  241. 01[15:14] <ShakeItUp> lol
  242. 01[15:14] <ShakeItUp> ice shard will do like 45% or something im assuming with max attack
  243. [15:14] <DoughBoy> oh well scatch that :o
  244. 01[15:14] <ShakeItUp> Ice Shard: 41.47 - 48.82%
  245. 01[15:15] <ShakeItUp> ya lol
  246. 03[15:16] * aceattorney (Mibbit@synIRC-6BCD9A0C.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #ratemyteam
  247. [15:16] <%San_Pellegrino> you could slap on an electrode or something
  248. [15:16] <yee> rofl
  249. [15:16] <Olympus> lol
  250. [15:16] <Rewer> were looking for reilable things
  251. [15:17] <yee> its basically either specially defensive rotom or jirachi
  252. [15:17] <yee> rotom isnt even reliable
  253. [15:17] <Rewer> i could say slap cyrogonal because it spins + not 2hkoed and kill tornadus
  254. [15:17] <Rewer> but it
  255. [15:17] <Rewer> sucks
  256. [15:17] <yee> wow 2 hurricanes
  257. [15:17] <yee> thats impressive
  258. [15:17] <Rewer> it probably does
  259. [15:17] <Rewer> because its sp.def
  260. [15:17] <Rewer> is huge
  261. [15:17] <Rewer> im not sure
  262. 01[15:17] <ShakeItUp> lol electrode
  263. 01[15:17] <ShakeItUp> skillz
  264. [15:17] <%San_Pellegrino> it's hp is also lackluster
  265. 01[15:17] <ShakeItUp> electro ball / t-wave / light screen / hp fire
  266. 01[15:17] <ShakeItUp> SWEEEEEEP
  267. 01[15:18] <ShakeItUp> kk anyway.
  268. [15:18] <yee> sableye is complimented fairly well by ferro and jirachi
  269. [15:18] <yee> and this is a bulky rain team
  270. [15:19] <%San_Pellegrino> i like jirachi
  271. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> kk anyway what is tornadus even going to switch in on besides sableye
  272. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> i mean u can always bring it in after something dies but
  273. [15:19] <%San_Pellegrino> dugtrio
  274. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> kingdra outruns it
  275. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> oh
  276. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> uhh
  277. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> he could run
  278. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> stone edge
  279. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> over sub
  280. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> he has sash anyway
  281. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> and no spinner
  282. 01[15:19] <ShakeItUp> seems kinda useless.
  283. 03[15:19] * Haunter (~Haunter@Choice.Scarf) has joined #ratemyteam
  284. 03[15:19] * Porygon2 sets mode: +qo Haunter Haunter
  285. [15:20] <%San_Pellegrino> sup haunter
  286. [15:20] <~Haunter> hi san
  287. [15:20] <%San_Pellegrino> http://pastebin.com/zXcAH3Vq <--if you want to check it out
  288. [15:20] <bkc> haunter...alucard...law and order...power abuse...
  289. [15:21] <~Haunter> what?
  290. [15:21] <bkc> you have alot of alts lol
  291. [15:21] <~Haunter> how do you know my alts?
  292. [15:21] <~Haunter> -.-
  293. [15:21] <bkc> i have player events enabled on po xD
  294. [15:21] <%San_Pellegrino> way to alt reveal :/
  295. [15:21] <LizardMan> I use Spikes > Gyro ball on that team.
  296. [15:21] <~Haunter> -__-
  297. 02[15:21] * HotNCold (Mibbit@synIRC-91C52582.red-80-29-66.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  298. [15:21] <yee> so ive noticed
  299. [15:22] <bkc> lizard
  300. [15:22] <yee> sableye ferro jirachi is a solid defensive combo
  301. [15:22] <yee> in rain
  302. 01[15:22] <ShakeItUp> lol.
  303. [15:22] <bkc> what does sableye really spinblock against
  304. [15:22] <yee> and kingdra provides a nice super fire resist
  305. [15:22] <bkc> forry?
  306. [15:22] <bkc> i think it's 2hkod by tenta under rain, and it comes close to dying in one shot vs starmie
  307. [15:22] <yee> tenta comes down to who gets luckioer
  308. 03[15:22] * Noodlez (Mibbit@synIRC-FAD83481.war.clearwire-wmx.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  309. 01[15:22] <ShakeItUp> donphan 2hkoes that easily
  310. [15:22] <yee> and ferro can psuedo-block mie
  311. 01[15:22] <ShakeItUp> starmie rapes it
  312. [15:23] <LizardMan> Yeah, Sabelye usually just dies.
  313. 02[15:23] * PenguinX (~quackPeng@synIRC-30A43FC7.student-halls.leeds.ac.uk) Quit (nexus.hub.us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net)
  314. [15:23] <LizardMan> Then I attempt to revenge with Toed/Dragonite
  315. [15:23] <bkc> so would you say its the most replaceable?
  316. [15:23] <yee> so no building around sableye lol
  317. [15:23] <DoughBoy> donphan has to watch out for the burn. starmie beats it otherwise
  318. [15:23] <LizardMan> Probably
  319. [15:24] <%San_Pellegrino> use CS jirachi over sableye
  320. 03[15:24] * PenguinX (~quackPeng@synIRC-30A43FC7.student-halls.leeds.ac.uk) has joined #ratemyteam
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  322. [15:24] <%San_Pellegrino> ice punch iron head u-turn thunder
  323. 01[15:24] <ShakeItUp> donphan doesnt really have to watch out for burn
  324. 01[15:24] <ShakeItUp> well
  325. [15:24] <~Haunter> what's the point of multiscale if you're running life orb on dnite'
  326. [15:24] <~Haunter> ?
  327. 01[15:24] <ShakeItUp> donphan users can essentially
  328. [15:24] <yee> yeah thats a solid set
  329. 01[15:24] <ShakeItUp> sacrifice their donphan's attack
  330. [15:24] <yee> idk about uturn
  331. 01[15:24] <ShakeItUp> to kill sableye
  332. 01[15:25] <ShakeItUp> lol
  333. [15:25] <yee> i always find it useless on rachi this gen
  334. [15:25] <bkc> its not like inner focus will help, i don't think
  335. [15:25] <~Haunter> probably noy
  336. [15:25] <%San_Pellegrino> i just didn't want him to be reun bait
  337. [15:25] <~Haunter> not*
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  339. [15:25] <Rewer> roost
  340. [15:25] <Rewer> on slower things
  341. [15:25] <yee> trick helps more IMO or something like zen headbutt or drain punch to hit luke
  342. [15:25] <bkc> i think multiscale is valuable in
  343. [15:25] <bkc> letting it take a hit
  344. [15:25] <Rewer> and take less damage
  345. [15:25] <%San_Pellegrino> but i guess uturn does zilch anyway
  346. [15:25] <bkc> guaranteed
  347. [15:25] <~Haunter> but with inner focus you have access to superpower
  348. [15:25] <bkc> before it smashes something
  349. [15:25] <Rewer> he dosent need superpowe
  350. 01[15:25] <ShakeItUp> Earthquake: 216-255 (71.05 - 83.88%)
  351. 01[15:25] <ShakeItUp> sableye fails.
  352. [15:26] <bkc> is that like adamant max atk
  353. 01[15:26] <ShakeItUp> yeah
  354. [15:26] <bkc> does anyone run that sort of phan
  355. [15:26] <%San_Pellegrino> xtra would
  356. 01[15:26] <ShakeItUp> tbh its like
  357. 01[15:26] <ShakeItUp> the best donphan set
  358. [15:26] <bkc> but thats xtra
  359. 01[15:26] <ShakeItUp> defensive kinda sucks.
  360. 01[15:26] <ShakeItUp> there are better physical walls and it has no recovery
  361. [15:26] <bkc> it helps take hits which is phan's primary job
  362. 01[15:26] <ShakeItUp> u might as well hit as hard as possible since it sets donphan apart
  363. 01[15:27] <ShakeItUp> yeah but offensive donphan still takes hits
  364. [15:27] <%San_Pellegrino> i think phan is more of a quick spinner than a tank
  365. 01[15:27] <ShakeItUp> it just hits much harder
  366. 01[15:27] <ShakeItUp> and its strength
  367. 01[15:27] <ShakeItUp> lets it spin
  368. [15:27] <%San_Pellegrino> don't be fooled by its hard exterior
  369. [15:27] <bkc> if you want to abuse its power
  370. 01[15:27] <ShakeItUp> sinc spin blockers cant take hits
  371. [15:27] <bkc> run assurance
  372. [15:27] <bkc> so gengar doesnt cockblock it
  373. 01[15:27] <ShakeItUp> that well
  374. [15:27] <yee> so what lineup are we currently recommending?
  375. [15:28] <Olympus> ya can someone recap all the changes
  376. [15:28] <Rewer> why assurance
  377. [15:28] <Rewer> head smash nig
  378. [15:29] <bkc> it gets head smash?
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  380. [15:29] <bkc> holy shit
  381. [15:29] <Rewer> ya
  382. [15:29] <bkc> yeah run that
  383. [15:29] <yee> head smash is great
  384. [15:29] <yee> as long as it hits
  385. 01[15:29] <ShakeItUp> is donphan even on this team
  386. 01[15:29] <ShakeItUp> xD
  387. [15:29] <yee> im assuming donphan is supposed to go over sableye?
  388. [15:29] <yee> anyone?
  389. [15:29] <bkc> ye
  390. [15:29] <bkc> or duggy maybe?
  391. [15:29] <yee> hmm
  392. [15:29] <Rewer> why not
  393. [15:29] <Rewer> tenta
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  395. [15:29] <bkc> sub toxic tenta
  396. [15:30] <Rewer> almost his whole team is weak to tspike
  397. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> oh are we getting a spinner
  398. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> o.o
  399. [15:30] <Rewer> ya
  400. [15:30] <Rewer> 4 nite
  401. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> k
  402. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> guess it'll help
  403. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> dugtrio
  404. 03[15:30] * ctiamaway is now known as cti
  405. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> too.
  406. [15:30] <yee> ok so id remove duggy then
  407. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> nah
  408. [15:30] <yee> if were gonna be a bulky rain team
  409. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> remove sableye
  410. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> cuz it sucks
  411. [15:30] <yee> yeah under rain sableye is kinda bad lol
  412. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> just replace it
  413. [15:30] <%San_Pellegrino> remove sabeleye for sp def jolteon
  414. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> it cant spin block
  415. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> worth shit
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  417. 01[15:30] <ShakeItUp> lol
  418. [15:31] <LizardMan> I didn't like Duggy too much either. I think I am going to change Kingdra a bit maybe too. Gastrodon is a solid suggestion over it.
  419. [15:31] <%San_Pellegrino> not joking
  420. 01[15:31] <ShakeItUp> lol.
  421. 01[15:31] <ShakeItUp> i ranthat once in 4th gen
  422. [15:31] <%San_Pellegrino> run wish / toxic thunder / filler
  423. 01[15:31] <ShakeItUp> for lolz.
  424. 01[15:31] <ShakeItUp> yes
  425. 01[15:31] <ShakeItUp> either that
  426. 01[15:31] <ShakeItUp> or electrode.
  427. [15:31] <%San_Pellegrino> you'll have an easy win with nite once everything is toxiced
  428. 01[15:32] <ShakeItUp> lol.
  429. [15:32] <%San_Pellegrino> i'm off
  430. 01[15:33] <ShakeItUp> cya.
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  432. [15:33] <bkc> bye san
  433. [15:33] <%New_World_Order> bye san
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  437. [15:33] <LizardMan> Later
  438. [15:33] <yee> so we all agreed on tenta over sableye?
  439. 01[15:34] <ShakeItUp> yeah essentially.
  440. [15:34] <bkc> sub toxic?
  441. [15:34] <Olympus> ya sounds good, he needs a spinner
  442. [15:34] <yee> probably sub toxic
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  444. [15:34] <yee> but well see when were completely done with the team
  445. [15:35] <yee> we still need to fix the tornadus problem?
  446. [15:35] <yee> either bulk up or specs could be annoying if they get in
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  448. [15:35] <DoughBoy> what about jolteon?
  449. [15:35] <yee> maybe
  450. [15:36] <yee> that would be funny to lure in ttar
  451. [15:36] <%New_World_Order> don't think you should designate an entire teamslot to deal with tornadus
  452. [15:37] <%New_World_Order> it's a pokemon that can be played around as long as you have something that resists hurricane/ acrobat
  453. [15:37] <yee> yeah but we dont have a resist
  454. [15:37] <yee> thats the problem
  455. [15:37] <DoughBoy> which we don't
  456. [15:37] <%New_World_Order> what's the team as of right now
  457. [15:37] <yee> scarf toed, duggy, tenta, ferro, nite, specs kingdra
  458. [15:38] <%New_World_Order> why sniper kingdra?
  459. [15:38] <%New_World_Order> the speed is what makes it so dangerous
  460. [15:38] <yee> he has no choice lol
  461. [15:38] <~Haunter> he has drizzle
  462. [15:38] <LizardMan> It was mainly to abuse the rain. In a similar way Spec'd Gastrodon or LO Vaporeon would.
  463. [15:39] <%New_World_Order> I guess
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  465. [15:39] <LizardMan> Kingdra's main merit is the dragon STAB and unique typing.
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  467. [15:39] <~Haunter> still, you're right nwo
  468. [15:39] <~Haunter> that kindgra is too slow
  469. 01[15:39] <ShakeItUp> yeah.
  470. [15:39] <bkc> needs 216 spe
  471. [15:39] <%New_World_Order> it's special attack isn't exactly godly either
  472. [15:39] <yee> i would proabbly use latios th
  473. [15:39] <yee> tbh*
  474. [15:39] <LizardMan> It is tanky, but I agree. We should definitly change the spread considering we have Tenacruel.
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  476. [15:39] <bkc> it shouldnt be getting outsped by dnite
  477. [15:39] <yee> benefits so much from duggy
  478. [15:40] <yee> much more speed
  479. [15:40] <yee> dragon STAB
  480. [15:40] <LizardMan> Yeah, Dragonite is a major thing it needs to outrun.
  481. [15:40] <~Haunter> kingdra is part dragon
  482. [15:40] <~Haunter> lol
  483. [15:40] <yee> yeah i meant retaining it lol
  484. [15:40] <yee> it also gives a better rotom-w pivot
  485. [15:40] <yee> you OHKO sciz and tar means you just got free rain
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  487. [15:43] <yee> whether or not you guys agree with latios
  488. [15:43] <yee> we almost absolutely need a flying resist somewhere
  489. [15:44] <bkc> jirachi?
  490. [15:44] <bkc> iirc lizard said that he ran a wish / cm variant earlier
  491. [15:44] <yee> yeah that qualifies as one resist which should be enough
  492. [15:44] <yee> considering no one spams birds lol
  493. [15:45] <bkc> specs tornadus + cb staraptor
  494. [15:45] <bkc> ima do it
  495. 01[15:45] <ShakeItUp> tbh i would just run latios lol
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  497. 01[15:45] <ShakeItUp> the only reason people even run kingdra in ou is because of swift swim
  498. 01[15:45] <ShakeItUp> and drizzle means that u cant use that
  499. 01[15:45] <ShakeItUp> so i dont see the point.
  500. [15:45] <%New_World_Order> yknow, politoed could revenge kill tornadus if worse comes to worst, I could see virizion potentially being problematic
  501. [15:45] <bkc> but lizard also said
  502. [15:45] <bkc> he likes kingdra
  503. [15:45] <bkc> because its not pursuit weak
  504. 01[15:46] <ShakeItUp> true.
  505. [15:46] <bkc> which is absolutely huge
  506. [15:46] <yee> well what pursuits
  507. [15:46] <LizardMan> I am willing to change Kingdra. I want the strongest team possible.
  508. [15:46] <yee> sciz gets killed
  509. [15:46] <yee> trapping tar means you win lol
  510. [15:46] <bkc> hmm
  511. 01[15:46] <ShakeItUp> yeahttar cant pursuit him
  512. 01[15:46] <ShakeItUp> so latios is infinitely better.
  513. [15:46] <bkc> lizard have you considered lo / specs gastrodon?
  514. [15:46] <bkc> this is more preference than anything but it might work
  515. [15:46] <LizardMan> I would probably use Spec'd Gastrodon. I think its solid.
  516. [15:47] <bkc> its a great set
  517. [15:47] <LizardMan> I don't like Life Orb on a bulky pokemon like Gastrodon.
  518. [15:47] <yee> i agree
  519. [15:47] <LizardMan> Yeah, Spec'd Gastrodon is solid with its ability.
  520. [15:47] <yee> specs is the better choice IMO
  521. [15:47] <LizardMan> It can also Recover if I decide to use that.
  522. [15:47] <bkc> surf / ice beam / earth power / recover
  523. [15:47] <yee> it can sort of pull that off
  524. [15:48] <yee> but i still recommend latios if you plan on keeping duggy
  525. [15:48] <bkc> i mean what else is it gonna use lol
  526. [15:48] <LizardMan> HP Grass
  527. [15:48] <bkc> yeah if you use duggy, use latios, if you drop duggy, run gastro
  528. [15:48] <yee> you could put the jirachi in duggys slot
  529. [15:48] <yee> im pretty it fits fine right there
  530. [15:48] <bkc> so it'd be
  531. [15:49] <yee> team looks great IMO
  532. [15:49] <bkc> Politoed | Jirachi | Ferrothorn | Gastrodon | Tentacruel | Dragonite
  533. [15:49] <bkc> looks good?
  534. [15:49] <yee> except hold on
  535. [15:49] <yee> scarftoed without duggy
  536. [15:49] <yee> that almost never works if youre interested in rain
  537. [15:50] <Rewer> why remove dug
  538. [15:50] <%New_World_Order> the team isn't exactly completely rain dependent
  539. [15:50] <Rewer> he is important
  540. [15:50] <%New_World_Order> but yeah, sun teams are a bitch
  541. [15:50] <yee> to put in rachi
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  543. [15:50] <%New_World_Order> what's the dragonite set?
  544. [15:50] <yee> fits better if he puts in specs gastro
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  546. [15:50] <yee> hurricane aqua tail e speed roost
  547. [15:50] <Rewer> he needs dug
  548. [15:50] <yee> LO max attack stats
  549. [15:51] <%New_World_Order> yeah, the team will get eaten alive by sun
  550. [15:51] <yee> yeah dug takes weather which is huge
  551. [15:51] <yee> but at the same time tornadus and general birds can be a problem
  552. 01[15:51] <ShakeItUp> ok
  553. 01[15:51] <ShakeItUp> just keep dugtrio
  554. 01[15:51] <ShakeItUp> replace sub
  555. 01[15:51] <ShakeItUp> with stone edge
  556. 01[15:51] <ShakeItUp> done.
  557. [15:51] <yee> then use latios if you want to keep it IMO
  558. [15:51] <%New_World_Order> stone edge is pretty weak, but should suffice
  559. [15:52] <yee> its a crime NOT to use latios if you have dug
  560. [15:53] <%New_World_Order> well, depends what you're trying to go for
  561. [15:53] <%New_World_Order> latios's job is not to sweep
  562. [15:53] <%New_World_Order> it's to open up holes
  563. [15:53] <yee> aand it has problems doing that with tar/rachi
  564. [15:53] <%New_World_Order> there really aren't any sweepers to take advatage of that
  565. [15:53] <yee> because it cant open holes in them
  566. [15:53] <%New_World_Order> the closest thing on this team to a sweeper is dragonite
  567. [15:53] <yee> well its just nothing really cares about a weakened defensive tar but latios
  568. [15:54] <yee> and rachi is really annoying for that dragonite too
  569. [15:54] <%New_World_Order> yeah, but you do get to keep your rain if you take out ttar
  570. [15:55] <%New_World_Order> and besides, dugtrio's main role on this team seems to be ninetales
  571. [15:55] <yee> latios doesnt quite take it out though which is annoying
  572. [15:56] <%New_World_Order> latios take what out?
  573. [15:56] <yee> tar
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  575. [15:57] <~Haunter> latios might help that team with virizion
  576. [15:57] <~Haunter> looks quite weak to it
  577. [15:57] <~Haunter> cm variant
  578. [15:58] <yee> yeah thats a good thing
  579. [15:58] <yee> we cant run aerial ace duggy lol
  580. [15:58] <%New_World_Order> agreed, virizion is much more threatening than tornadus
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  582. [15:58] <%New_World_Order> well, if you go with aerial ace, you've got no room for stone edge
  583. [15:58] <LizardMan> I would rather make a totally new team than run Aerial Ace Dugtrio.
  584. [15:58] <yee> yeah thats the point
  585. [15:58] <~Haunter> lol
  586. [15:58] <LizardMan> Its too much a novelty option.
  587. [15:59] <LizardMan> Unless for Breloom.. I guess
  588. [15:59] <%New_World_Order> not actually sure if aerial ace even ohkos
  589. [15:59] <+TFC> breloom and virizion
  590. [15:59] <+TFC> not great reasons to run it but eh
  591. [15:59] <yee> maybe on virizion it does
  592. [15:59] <%New_World_Order> dugy is infamously weak
  593. [15:59] <yee> but who cres
  594. [15:59] <~Haunter> well all it needs is to weaken virizion
  595. [15:59] <~Haunter> so dnite can ES it
  596. [15:59] <%New_World_Order> true
  597. [15:59] <~Haunter> or scarf toed's ice beam
  598. [15:59] <yee> im not actually recommending it i think stone edge is better
  599. [16:00] <~Haunter> does he really need sub?
  600. [16:00] <yee> to help against blissey/trap ferro that would be nice
  601. [16:00] <yee> but it doesnt OHKO chansey or ferro
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  603. [16:01] <yee> im pretty sure its not really close either
  604. [16:01] <~Haunter> yeah
  605. [16:01] <LizardMan> I don't really need Sub imo. It hasn't been extremely helpful with Sash.
  606. [16:01] <LizardMan> I have a spinner now too.
  607. [16:01] <~Haunter> probably reversal 2hkos
  608. [16:01] <LizardMan> So Sash has more of a chance to be intact.
  609. [16:01] <Scarfwynaut> unless they lead with it...
  610. [16:01] <yee> i like this lineup a lot
  611. [16:03] <%New_World_Order> gonna go play tyrant for a while bbl
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  616. [16:17] <yee> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462179
  617. [16:17] <yee> umm
  618. [16:17] <yee> this is almost the exact same team
  619. 01[16:17] <ShakeItUp> lol.
  620. [16:17] <LizardMan> -.-
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  622. [16:18] <yee> did we actually agree on all of the final changes?
  623. [16:19] <LizardMan> Not yet
  624. [16:19] <LizardMan> Chat just kind of died I think. :x
  625. [16:19] <yee> did the workshop end or something?
  626. [16:20] <Scarfwynaut> ive been thinking of a team like Ferrothorn / Jellicent / Gliscor / Blissey / Tentacruel + ???
  627. [16:20] <Scarfwynaut> maybe scizor?
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  629. 03[16:22] * Porygon2 sets mode: +h Delko
  630. [16:23] <LizardMan> Delko
  631. [16:23] <LizardMan> We were in the middle of the live lecture, and it just died.
  632. [16:24] <%Delko> oh
  633. [16:24] <yee> theres no consistent exchange of thoughts atm
  634. [16:24] <%Delko> alright
  635. [16:24] <%Delko> do you still want to continue?
  636. [16:24] <%Delko> where is san_pellegrino?
  637. 01[16:25] <ShakeItUp> he left
  638. 01[16:25] <ShakeItUp> we've rated
  639. 01[16:25] <ShakeItUp> 2 teams
  640. 01[16:25] <ShakeItUp> in and a half hours
  641. [16:25] <LizardMan> Yeah, I want to continue
  642. 01[16:25] <ShakeItUp> 2 and a half*
  643. [16:25] <LizardMan> Since we were still on my team, and it was starting to look cool.
  644. [16:25] <yee> and no ones really giving opinions on the 2nd anymore
  645. 01[16:25] <ShakeItUp> lol
  646. [16:25] <LizardMan> Yet the chat just froze. :x
  647. [16:25] <%Delko> k, what was your team lizardman
  648. [16:26] <LizardMan> http://pastebin.com/PFgs7kZg
  649. [16:26] <yee> the changes we suggested so far
  650. [16:26] <yee> tenta over sableye for spinning
  651. [16:26] <yee> and latios / gastrodon over kingdra as attackers
  652. [16:26] <%Delko> specs kingdra is a beast
  653. [16:26] <%Delko> hmm
  654. [16:26] <yee> i prefer latios if we keep duggy
  655. [16:26] <yee> because it benefits so much from it
  656. 03[16:26] * Lamppost (Mibbit@i.am.so.cool) has joined #ratemyteam
  657. [16:26] <LizardMan> Then I think you guys said something about SE on Dugtrio
  658. [16:27] <LizardMan> Over Sub
  659. [16:27] <yee> yeah to check tornadus
  660. [16:27] <LizardMan> I always liked Stone Edge
  661. [16:27] <yee> theres still no flying resist so if it gets in on latios/nite with rocks you have to sac something
  662. [16:28] <LizardMan> Yeah
  663. [16:28] <LizardMan> CM Virizion is troublesome too I think. Haunter mentioned that.
  664. [16:28] <yee> yeah
  665. [16:28] <%Delko> tornadus is a difficult pokemon to have a solid counter for
  666. [16:28] <yee> actually you could run cm latias with roar
  667. [16:28] <yee> to deal with that and lure in tar
  668. [16:28] <yee> not get forced out by torn after a boost
  669. [16:28] <LizardMan> This team used to be really awesome when Deoxys S was legal Delko. I used to use Deoxys S > Sabelye.
  670. [16:29] <LizardMan> Although Tentacruel should be solid.
  671. [16:29] <LizardMan> LO Deoxys S was the set I used.
  672. [16:29] <LizardMan> To cover a lot of pokemon, and to clean with hazards.
  673. [16:29] <%Delko> indeed
  674. [16:30] <%Delko> so cm latias over kingdra that is?
  675. [16:30] <yee> possibly
  676. [16:30] <LizardMan> Its worth a shot.
  677. [16:30] <yee> need 2nd opinions
  678. 03[16:30] * Porygon2 sets mode: +ao blue blue
  679. [16:30] <LizardMan> Yeah
  680. [16:30] <LizardMan> Bloo
  681. [16:31] <yee> although latios doesnt have to worry about scizor coming out early, only tar which duggy can deal with
  682. [16:31] <%Delko> for tentacruel, that sub one would fit
  683. [16:31] <LizardMan> Sub Toxic Tentacruel is like my favorite set. Its so good.
  684. [16:31] <%Delko> cause ferrothorn is a pain for this team
  685. [16:31] <LizardMan> Yeah
  686. [16:31] <%Delko> it is
  687. 03[16:31] * theshark (~chatzilla@synIRC-B2558AAF.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  688. [16:32] <%Delko> anyone else sees another problem?
  689. 03[16:32] * HSA (Mibbit@synIRC-76F63439.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  690. 01[16:33] <ShakeItUp> i think we've identified everything worth noting.
  691. 03[16:33] * Texas (Mibbit@synIRC-CC16B287.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has left #ratemyteam
  692. [16:33] <%Delko> i think so too
  693. 01[16:34] <ShakeItUp> brb.
  694. 03[16:34] * Hyperbeem (~hyperbeem@synIRC-938BC482.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #ratemyteam
  695. [16:34] <yee> im happy too
  696. [16:34] <%Delko> so subtoxic tentacruel > sableye and cm latias > kingdra
  697. [16:34] <%Delko> alright
  698. [16:35] <%Delko> another team?
  699. [16:35] <LizardMan> Thanks for the help guys. What should I run on CM Latias?
  700. 03[16:36] * KiwiDawg (Mibbit@synIRC-9F9E782D.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  701. [16:36] <yee> i thought we had latios
  702. [16:36] <yee> latias is too offensively slow IMO and it brings out sciz too early
  703. 03[16:36] * KiwiDawg (Mibbit@synIRC-9F9E782D.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) has left #ratemyteam
  704. [16:36] <%Delko> hmm
  705. 03[16:36] * Trollmonchan (~umad@synIRC-F4598153.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) has joined #ratemyteam
  706. [16:36] <%Delko> cm reuniclus can also be a problem
  707. [16:36] <%Delko> so cm + roar latias can fix that
  708. 02[16:37] * Lamppost (Mibbit@i.am.so.cool) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  709. [16:37] <yee> oh never thought of that
  710. [16:37] <%Delko> although
  711. [16:37] <%Delko> rain boosted aqua tail does a good enough chunk i guess
  712. [16:37] <yee> it doesnt
  713. [16:37] <yee> itll do like 40%
  714. [16:37] <%Delko> ah
  715. [16:38] <%Delko> really?
  716. [16:38] <%Delko> i would suspect more
  717. [16:38] <yee> yeah
  718. [16:38] <yee> it barely 2hkoes spD jirachi
  719. 02[16:38] * %Aerrow (~chatzilla@synIRC-DAD698D.dsl.bell.ca) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356])
  720. [16:38] <%Delko> okay
  721. [16:38] <yee> cb would do a good enough chunk
  722. [16:38] <yee> and cb nite + specs latios is a cool combo
  723. [16:38] <yee> takes out anything
  724. [16:40] <%Delko> that can work
  725. [16:41] <%Delko> but i wouldn't change anything in the team if it isn't needed
  726. [16:41] <yee> yeah
  727. [16:41] <yee> kingdra could justc win with pump lol
  728. 02[16:42] * Scarfwynaut (Mibbit@synIRC-163ECE27.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  729. [16:42] <yee> but then virizion is annoying
  730. [16:42] <%Delko> toxic it with tentacruel
  731. [16:42] <yee> oh yeah
  732. [16:43] <%Delko> not the best sollution, but it could work
  733. [16:43] <yee> not a 6-0
  734. [16:43] <%Delko> encore it in cm
  735. [16:44] <%Delko> k, lizardman, you got those suggestions?
  736. [16:45] <yee> be back soon
  737. [16:45] <%Delko> anyone else has a team?
  738. [16:46] <LizardMan> What were the suggestions again?
  739. [16:46] <LizardMan> CM Roar Latias > Kingdra. Then Sub Toxic Tentacruel > Reuniclus right?
  740. 03[16:46] * Scarfwynaut (Mibbit@synIRC-163ECE27.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  741. [16:46] <%Delko> there was tentacruel over sableye
  742. [16:46] <%Delko> and latias over kingdra, which is optional
  743. [16:47] <LizardMan> Yeah, Sabelye*
  744. [16:47] <LizardMan> I like both ideas. I will try them out.
  745. [16:47] <%Delko> good
  746. [16:47] <LizardMan> I might actually do Spec'd Gastro > Kingdra if I still want to spam water moves.
  747. 02[16:47] * Scarfwynaut (Mibbit@synIRC-163ECE27.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  748. [16:48] <%Delko> sure
  749. [16:48] <LizardMan> As for Dugtrio. Did you guys like the idea of Stone Edge > Sub?
  750. [16:49] <yee> yes
  751. [16:49] <%Delko> it can work
  752. [16:49] <LizardMan> kk
  753. [16:49] <%Delko> it prevent dragonite from using you as set up fodder as well
  754. [16:49] <LizardMan> yeah
  755. 02[16:49] * creepshow (~creepshow@synIRC-C95B788.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) Quit (Quit: creepshow)
  756. [16:50] <yee> are we all happy?
  757. [16:51] <%Delko> lol sure
  758. [16:51] <LizardMan> Yeah, I like the suggestions. If you guys have any more, I am all ears.
  759. 03[16:51] * JackieChun (~184a7312@synIRC-7718BD96.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #ratemyteam
  760. [16:51] <yee> alright
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