What it means to be a janitor

What it means to be a janitor and an explaination on the 4chan mod system

 

(20:54:15) ‹+AoC› Anyway, how bad of a leak are we looking at with the raybrandt event?

(20:54:28) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› I would guess nothing bad will happen

(20:54:47) ‹+Azatsu› I hope so

(20:54:57) ‹+Azatsu› he knows the password of the channel

(20:54:59) ‹+Azatsu› that could be dangerous

(20:55:19) ‹+AoC› they don't seem like the disgruntled employee sort though

(20:55:20) ‹%kami`› AoC this is why you guys aren't given much power

(20:55:28) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› he was very civil about it I think he will be okay

(20:55:33) ‹+Kyoubro› ^AoC

(20:55:34) ‹%kami`› if you remember your complaints about being 'outer party'

(20:56:00) ‹%kami`› its not that we don't trust you guys

(20:56:18) ‹+Azatsu› On my point of view, even if the guy looks very trustworthy, it takes some time to see if you really deserve so much power

(20:56:20) ‹%kami`› its just that the odds are the team isn't secure

(20:56:28) ‹+AoC› fair enough

(20:56:35) ‹+AoC› also, hi dave

(20:56:39) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› hello

(20:56:44) ‹+Kyoubro› I think a wiser idea would be to simply add another tier of stratification...

(20:56:47) ‹+Aerolite› dave, can you tell magz to come in here

(20:56:54) ‹+AoC› been too long, but I guess you're enjoying your new life

(20:57:00) ‹+Azatsu› magz has been idle 48hrs 12mins 20secs, signed on Wed Jul 04 06:32:20

(20:57:06) ‹+Aerolite› welp

(20:57:08) ‹+Aerolite› nevermind

(20:57:13) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› lol

(20:57:21) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› yeah life is good

(20:57:27) ‹+Kyoubro› Janitors who have been around long enough that they're trusted to not mess anything up, but not in position for modship yet.

(20:57:31) ‹+Azatsu› Adding a new tier of power would be too much of a bother I guess

(20:57:34) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› I am always idle on irc but this channel isnt in my auto join list

(20:58:33) ‹%kami`› Kyoubro that exists

(20:58:38) ‹%kami`› it is called global janitors

(20:58:51) ‹+AoC› !

(20:58:56) ‹+Azatsu› ~

(20:59:16) ‹+Azatsu› It's been a long time since someone was promoted to global I guess

(20:59:46) ‹+Kyoubro› So do globals go to a separate channel?

(20:59:48) ‹+AoC› we're pretty much frozen until reorientation, there are many new janitors

(20:59:50) ‹+Azatsu› Of course not

(20:59:58) ‹+Azatsu› They are janitors after all

(20:59:59) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› moot's a busy man

(21:00:04) ‹+Azatsu› They are just a little bit more trusted

(21:00:20) ‹+Kyoubro› Yeah, but it's really nothing different.

(21:00:33) ‹+Kyoubro› Nobody can actually BE a global janitor. The very concept of the position is flawed.

(21:00:36) ‹+AoC› yup. Shame that global tier doesn't add anything to help you deal with things, just piles up more duties

(21:00:47) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› we have had global janitors before

(21:00:49) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› and still do

(21:00:52) ‹%kami`› yeah

(21:00:56) ‹+Kyoubro› I should be more clear.

(21:01:06) ‹+Azatsu› I don~t think he meant that literally

(21:01:11) ‹+Azatsu› *don't

(21:01:13) ‹+Kyoubro› Nobody can effectively offer a proper level of moderation across all boards.

(21:01:31) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› well to be fair they aren't expected to

(21:01:34) ‹+AoC› Kyoubro I think what is expected from global janitors is the same as mods

(21:01:39) ‹+Kyoubro› Boards have such vastly different needs that it is far more efficient to target things.

(21:01:42) ‹+AoC› to focus on their known boards

(21:01:55) ‹+AoC› but still be able to take on pressing issues globally if required

(21:01:57) ‹+Kyoubro› I don't think having mods be global is very sensible either, except for an extremely select few.

(21:02:07) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› its plenty sensible

(21:02:12) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› we are given the ability to handle any issue

(21:02:12) ‹%kami`› Mods don't need to focus on anything except cp and reports

(21:02:27) ‹+Kyoubro› What it means is that the position of mod becomes even more restricted.

(21:02:28) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› if we were restricted to boards we would be a much smaller force than we already are

(21:02:52) ‹+AoC› think of it this way, see the /int/ situation a month or two ago. You have board specific mods and they wouldn't be able to do anything about it

(21:02:52) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› as it stands now, global moderation allows us to handle any issue that arises, regardless of board

(21:02:59) ‹+Kyoubro› It's a different thing to give someone free reign to ban on one board and to give someone free reign to ban on any board.

(21:03:15) ‹+AoC› with globals you don't have to go into /int/ every day, but you're available to do so if the situation raises

(21:03:16) ‹+Azatsu› From what I can see, janitors are really useful then

(21:03:19) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› I think you are assuming we are going to make awful decesions

(21:03:27) ‹+Kyoubro› Given the current situation? It's probably the best solution, because we just don't have enough mods.

(21:03:49) ‹+Azatsu› Kyoubro : You mean board specific mods?

(21:03:55) ‹+Kyoubro› No, I'm not doing that. I'm assuming that it's better to have a large force of highly specialized members than a small force of generalized members.

(21:03:55) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› there's no reason to restrict a moderator to any given board unless you are confident they are going to fuck up hard core

(21:04:05) ‹%menchii› kami, remember as mods, we're here to support the janitors too

(21:04:20) ‹%menchii› so if a janitor from any board needs something, we need to be there to help..

(21:04:23) ‹+Kyoubro› No, I mean the setup we have now. I think it's best considering that we have nowhere near enough active mods.

(21:04:27) ‹%kami`› well yeah

(21:04:28) ‹%menchii› like placing a ban for instance

(21:04:47) ‹%kami`› but as you can see, only a handful of mods care to do that

(21:04:50) ‹%kami`› :(

(21:04:53) ‹+Azatsu› My only problem with that is when we need a large number of bans on boards that need a lot of help

(21:04:58) ‹%menchii› the best ones!

(21:04:59) ‹+Azatsu› and deletion in the end doesn't change anything

(21:04:59) ‹+Kyoubro› A reason to limit a mod's sphere of influence is to simply give them more of an ability to focus.

(21:05:00) ‹%menchii› :P

(21:05:04) ‹%kami`› :)

(21:05:21) ‹+Kyoubro› Restrictions have their benefits, too.

(21:05:29) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› sorry man I can't help you I only have access to /d/

(21:05:34) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› that child porn is just gonna have to wait

(21:05:38) ‹%menchii› I think we focus on the boards we favor already anyway

(21:05:46) ‹%kami`› yeah

(21:05:51) ‹%kami`› like moot says about janitoring

(21:05:54) ‹+Kyoubro› ALTERNATIVE, let me refer you to a previous post.

(21:05:56) ‹%kami`› you just act like a normal user

(21:06:04) ‹+Kyoubro› >No, I mean the setup we have now. I think it's best considering that we have nowhere near enough active mods.

(21:06:17) ‹%kami`› taking care of issues your power allows you to resolve

(21:06:18) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› I dont think having lots of moderators would be a bad thing if they were global

(21:06:31) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› they'd be able to do all the ban requests

(21:06:34) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› all of them

(21:06:35) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› in seconds

(21:06:36) ‹+Azatsu› I wonder if having something like 200 mods would work

(21:06:38) ‹+Azatsu› like in 2ch

(21:06:50) ‹%menchii› it's like a dream

(21:06:52) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› I've seen the future

(21:06:53) ‹+andonuts› >tons more moderation/janitors

(21:06:56) ‹+andonuts› Bueno.

(21:07:04) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› it does not get better quickly

(21:07:09) ‹+AoC› What I think you're trying to say is that it would be nice to have a board specific mod as an added tier of trust, between global janitor and full modship. Am I reading right Kyoubro ?

(21:07:24) ‹%menchii› we did at one time

(21:07:29) ‹+Kyoubro› It increases the chances of a mod doing something that seemed sensible at the time but was done without enough knowledge of the board in question.

(21:07:34) ‹+Kyoubro› That's one way, AoC.

(21:07:36) ‹%menchii› the newer mods all started out as board specific janitors

(21:07:37) ‹~moots› mods have not been board specific since 2004

(21:07:43) ‹%menchii› then later became global, then mods

(21:07:44) ‹+AoC› we know

(21:07:57) ‹+Kyoubro› I actually think a better way would be to add the ability to warn and post officially to global janitors.

(21:08:06) ‹+Azatsu› uh

(21:08:08) ‹%menchii› 04? has it been that long? holy cow

(21:08:08) ‹+Azatsu› that would be dangerous I think

(21:08:24) ‹+Kyoubro› Global janitors are supposed to be heavily trusted.

(21:08:33) ‹~moots› what does "post officially to global janitors" mean

(21:08:42) ‹+Kyoubro› Oh, like modposts.

(21:08:42) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› janitors should not be able to represent the policies of the site

(21:08:46) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› moderators should post hardly ever if at all

(21:08:48) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› capped

(21:08:50) ‹~moots› fuck that

(21:08:56) ‹~moots› ^

(21:09:11) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› what it boils down to is that we are normal users

(21:09:15) ‹@ALTERNATIVE› simply with the ability to remove other users

(21:09:25) ‹+Azatsu› but wouldn't it be good to keep in touch with the boards to see how things are going once in a while

(21:09:31) ‹+Azatsu› it's kind of rare to see a mod talking with the community and listening to them

(21:09:36) ‹+AoC› I was going to say that. As nice as it would be to clarify sketchy policies, the potential for messing up is grand and janitors are enforcers, not interpreters of the rules

(21:09:37) ‹~moots› that's the point of janitors

(21:09:37) ‹%menchii› janitoring is the thankless silent job oc mopping up the crap on the boards

(21:09:53) ‹+Azatsu› above everything I consider myself a poster that tries to contribute to my board

(21:09:54) ‹~moots› board specific people who understand the culture of the board better than anyone and can report to the mods what's going on

(21:10:04) ‹%menchii› "welcome to the shittiest job of your life" I think that was our welcome to the team lol

(21:10:26) ‹+Kyoubro› Mm... one thing I see from /a/ is that people are happy to know that there are mods around, always.

(21:10:34) ‹%menchii› well said, moot. well said

(21:10:42) ‹+Kyoubro› I agree that mods are just users, but there is a degree to which silence can hurt.

(21:10:50) ‹+Azatsu› so moots, janitors are not only those who can remove posts and access the report queue, but also the messengers of their boards?

(21:11:01) ‹%menchii› I see a lot of /a/ and /jp/ culture specific stuff come up in discussions here, and I don't understand half of it

(21:11:03) ‹~moots› what?

(21:11:11) ‹~moots› the entire point of this channel is to communicate what's going on to moderators and ask questions

(21:11:12) ‹%menchii› but if a janitor who does neds help, all he has to do is ask

(21:11:14) ‹~moots› it's not meant to be a hangout

(21:11:21) ‹~moots› if there is a problem, you should be mentioning it here

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(21:11:51) ‹+AoC› which reminds me, haven't done a state of the board report in a while now

(21:12:00) ‹~moots› "horrible"

(21:12:02) ‹~moots› there i did it for you

(21:12:11) ‹+AoC› yup. Job is done

(21:12:16) ‹+AoC› see you in a month

(21:12:22) ‹~moots› we will be adding something in the coming weeks that makes i easier for the users and moderators to interact