--- Log opened Sun Jul 05 22:19:36 2015
22:19 -!- Irssi: Starting query in Freenode with Aria
22:19 <Aria> The difference between anarchist collectives and tech work is that in tech work, people _are_ regularly assumed to be all men.
22:19 <tacoinanus> Because more often than not, they are.
22:20 <tacoinanus> That's not to the fault of women
22:20 <tacoinanus> that's to the fault of our own society.
22:20 <tacoinanus> I for one wokr in the tech industry, and would love to see more women in the field
22:20 <Aria> Which is why 'hey guys' is a problem.
22:20 <Aria> Because _we are not all guys and yet regularly assumed to be so_
22:20 <Aria> Even when we're _right here_
22:21 <Aria> And when we say 'shit like this, and doubly so people's reactions to it are why we leave this industry', believe us.
22:24 <tacoinanus> The only reason why guys is offensive to you is because you let it be offensive. It's never been used to oppress you. Terms like the B word or the C word, have. But not guys.
22:25 <Aria> First off, it's not about offense, it's about erasure.
22:25 <Aria> It is _not_ offensive; though arguing about it is offensive.
22:25 <Aria> Second, you telling me what I should and should not be offended at, that is offensive.
22:25 <Aria> Men love to tell women that they're too sensitive.
22:25 <Aria> Turns out they don't get to decide that anymore.
22:25 <Aria> Because it's sexist.
22:29 <tacoinanus> While your point has some vailidity, in reguards to men telling women that they are being over-sensitive, but I, as a neutral identifying person, and at least 20+ other women that I know of, disagree with you. This is something that I have considered myself, multiple times, however I have yet to be convinced that refering to a group of folks, who are female or female identifying, you are wrong. and you are
22:29 <tacoinanus>  using oppression as a weapon against things you do not like. That is just as bad, if not worse, than speaking the words of oppressionthemselves.
22:29 <Aria> http://jvns.ca/blog/2013/12/27/guys-guys-guys/
22:30 <Aria> What's your sampling methodology for those 20+ women?
22:30 <tacoinanus> Sampling?
22:31 <tacoinanus> Ha, these people are my friends, people who I go to when I'm unsure about something, especially when it comes to things like male privledge.
22:31 <Aria> Right. Anyway, local bias is not universal, yada yada.
22:32 <tacoinanus> If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
22:32 <tacoinanus> How long have you been working towards social justice?
22:32 <tacoinanus> Or are you just on the internet saying that you stand for these things?
22:33 <Aria> I'm thirty-three.
22:33 <Aria> I reject the framing of your second question.
22:33 <Aria> And find the third question completely offensive.
22:34 <tacoinanus> I'll agree
22:35 <tacoinanus> What quntifiable actions have you taken to help promote a safe enviroment where you reside?
22:36 <Aria> Well, 'safe' is an interesting choice of words there, but.
22:37 <Aria> Other than always having a couch available to the homeless queer kids I keep trying to rescue, the mentoring and teaching I do ~constantly, the administering two slacks and four IRC channels and a mailing list, and speaking up in the workplace?
22:38 <tacoinanus>  You rescue folks? Or do you assist them in getting out of a painful situation? If you use the word rescue, you're setting it up as a vertical relationship, which is unhealthly.
22:38 <tacoinanus> See what I did there?
22:39 <tacoinanus> I made something not offensive into something that was offensive
22:39 <tacoinanus> That's what you're doing
22:39 <Aria> Huh?
22:42 <tacoinanus> If you rescue someone, this is a heirachial, relationship. Which is unhealthy. You are making someone dependant on you, instead of making them independant.
22:43 <Aria> That makes no sense.
22:43 <tacoinanus> Remeber, I'm an Anarchist, I have a differnt sense of things than you
22:44 <tacoinanus> But serious though
22:44 <Aria> Well, I'm actually an anarchist too.
22:44 <tacoinanus> REally?
22:44 <tacoinanus> What do you do in your community
22:44 <Aria> Which community?
22:44 <tacoinanus> The community you live in
22:45 <tacoinanus> What do you do to help your community
22:45 <Aria> Mostly mental health support network in the local area.
22:47 <tacoinanus> Doing what exactly?
22:47 <Aria> NOYDB.
22:48 <tacoinanus> Hmmm
22:48 <tacoinanus> Okay
22:48 <tacoinanus> Well, I think you're full of shit. and that you are sad or some shit, but you're using oppression as a weapon, and that pisses me off. You make people like me look like shitty reactionary people. Fuck you.
22:49 <Aria> Take a shot.
22:49 <Aria> See if it improves your temper or at least makes you sleep.
22:49 <Aria> You have no idea who I am, and it's almost laughable that you'd pass judgement with that info.
22:50 <tacoinanus> You have no idea who I am. But you are not my comrade
22:51 <tacoinanus> You use oppression as a weapon, if you are active within the anarchist activist community, we will cross paths, and I will not forget. ANd this is dumb.
22:51 <tacoinanus> Have you ever done any political prisoner support?
22:55 <tacoinanus> I only ask because that is where I do most of my work. I want to know if I'm going to run into you in my work.
22:55 <Aria> A little.
22:55 <Aria> Not my main area. Queer and mental health support is my area.
22:55 <tacoinanus> Who do you do support for?
22:55 <Aria> Lots of community members.
22:56 <Aria> Direct aid is best aid.
22:56 <tacoinanus> I'm currently doing support for Eric King mainly.
22:56 <tacoinanus> You're being incredibly vauge.
22:56 <Aria> Okay?
22:56 <tacoinanus> And I think you're lying.
22:56 <Aria> Yes, people's mental health is private.
22:56 <Aria> That's nice.
22:56 <tacoinanus> Mental health != political prisoner
22:56 <Aria> You are correct. Those two phrases mean different things.
22:57 <tacoinanus> Really? Then why are you confusing them?
22:58 <Aria> Try chatting sober.
22:58 <Aria> It makes more sense.