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other Highlights from 2nd November 2012

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  1. (00:08:24) Bat-Guano: I ruin myself far too much by moderating the goddamn /lit/ board.
  2. (00:08:28) %I_AM_ABIB: D:
  3. (00:09:38) Bat-Guano: Ever go to /lit/? You'll beseech a vengeful god to smite the world with fire and destruction after browsing that vapid, overweening board.
  4. [...]
  5. (00:09:50) +Beam: I don't envy you, man
  6.  
  7. (03:43:59) VCR_Working: wtf
  8. (03:44:10) VCR_Working: >You're talking about Global Rule 3, and I'm going to remove that from ban requests so it can't be BRed by janitors, since it is vague without context and is being overused.
  9. (03:45:54) VCR_Working: i hope something suitable replaces it
  10. (03:46:17) VCR_Working: because there is a reason it's 'overused'
  11.  
  12. (11:54:34) +WalterWhite: http://i.imgur.com/94lJx.jpg
  13. (11:55:04) +WalterWhite: Oh duanemoody moot has said we'd never get thread moving
  14. [...]
  15. (11:56:07) +duanemoody: i asked for feedback on the idea, not a tweet on a decision
  16. (11:56:18) +duanemoody: presumably the dude is here himself
  17. (11:57:09) +duanemoody: even if there were no thread moving, the concept's what i'm after
  18. (11:57:39) +WalterWhite: k
  19.  
  20. What basically happened was Duanemoody proposing Masterchan's general functionality and learns that moot will never implement it.
  21.  
  22. (14:54:53) +RapeApe9k: if global 3 is gone, how do we ban request racism, trolling, loli, gore, etc?
  23. (14:55:36) +fsdfdsf: Well loli can just go under NSFW
  24. (14:55:48) +RapeApe9k: but i have 2 NWS boards
  25. (14:55:50) +fsdfdsf: I don't know about the rest though
  26. (14:55:59) +fsdfdsf: Welp
  27. (14:56:13) +RapeApe9k: and racism is a constant problem on all my boards
  28. (14:56:30) +fsdfdsf: I don't know man
  29. (14:56:34) +fsdfdsf: Talk to moot
  30. (14:56:50) +nikka: rule6?
  31. (14:57:07) +nikka: in b4 6 gone too
  32. (14:57:18) +fsdfdsf: Lets try not to lose 6
  33. (14:57:23) +RapeApe9k: well, i'll talk to moot about it to see if we can get seperate templates for racism, trolling loli, etc
  34. (14:57:23) +fsdfdsf: Lets use it every so often
  35. (14:57:29) +RapeApe9k: that way it's clearer for posters
  36. (14:57:36) +fsdfdsf: I like that Idea RapeApe9k
  37. (14:57:56) +nikka: thats why they nuked 3 nobody used 6 since forbbiden
  38.  
  39. (16:13:58) +AoC: >No global 3 BR
  40. (16:14:15) +AoC: Good, it was too broad and confusing for the end user that got stuck with it
  41.  
  42. (16:18:12) +AoC: the one feature I would like but know it won't come is linking/showing the post that got you banned
  43. (16:18:16) +RapeApe9k: if his goal is to reduce the number of BRs, then he might not give us anything
  44. (16:18:32) +RapeApe9k: if his goal is to make bans less confusing, then he might get behind multiple templates for global 3
  45. (16:18:42) +AoC: because I see a lot of confusion in /q/ over what gets you banned, and if there's no clear sense of what is over the line
  46. (16:18:46) VCR_Working: yeah
  47. (16:18:49) VCR_Working: agreed there
  48. (16:18:53) +AoC: then there's no education and change of the user's attitudes
  49. (16:19:07) +RapeApe9k: even if they just mentioned post number
  50. (16:19:16) +RapeApe9k: that way users could look it up on archivers
  51. (16:19:20) Azatsu: since moot said they won't see which post got them banned
  52. (16:19:26) Azatsu: it would be easier to expand the reasons for ban requests
  53.  
  54. (16:19:56) Azatsu: the idea would be to not have archives, too.
  55. (16:19:57) +AoC: due to differing philosophy
  56. (16:20:14) Azatsu: because the point of 4chan is that you can post soemthing anonymously and know that it won't be forever marked
  57. (16:20:19) Azatsu: but archives completely deny that
  58. (16:20:27) +Kazisho: Unless it's on /3/.
  59. (16:20:35) Azatsu: good threads lived within people's memories
  60. (16:20:36) +RapeApe9k: there's no way to prevent it
  61. (16:20:53) +RapeApe9k: the internet is forever from this point forward
  62. (16:20:55) Azatsu: now you just need to go to foolz / fuuka/ rebecca black / gentoo / whatever to find that thread
  63. (16:21:00) +AoC: archives are just too useful, can't imagine the imageboard experience without them
  64. (16:21:18) Azatsu: I don't really like them
  65. (16:21:22) Azatsu: I treat /ghost/ like another place
  66. (16:21:23) Azatsu: seriously
  67. (16:21:39) +RapeApe9k: there would be no way for me to do this job without archivers
  68. (16:21:44) VCR_Working: mhm
  69. (16:21:45) VCR_Working: still
  70. (16:22:01) +AoC: /ghost/ is a different story, specially for /jp/
  71. (16:22:14) +Kazisho: I need them for research sometimes.
  72. (16:22:29) +AoC: spam pattern recognition is far easier with it
  73. (16:22:32) +Kazisho: And sometimes I use them to look for good threads.
  74. (16:22:41) +AoC: in doubt that a neptunia thread is spam/troll? md5
  75. (16:22:43) +Kazisho: Or images I need.
  76.  
  77. (17:12:54) @ALTERNATIVE: huh
  78. (17:13:31) VCR_Working: alternative: do you know what's up with the deep sea thing
  79. (17:13:41) @ALTERNATIVE: no
  80. (17:13:53) VCR_Working: hm
  81.  
  82. (19:37:36) +RapeApe9k: moots, are you planning on adding seperate templates for the components of global #3, or is it gone forever?
  83. (19:37:55) ~moots: no
  84. (19:37:59) ~moots: it is extremely vague and was being overused
  85. (19:38:28) +RapeApe9k: well, the vagueness could be reduced by having a trolling template, a loli template, etc
  86. (19:38:47) +RapeApe9k: and instructing janitors not to bother with indecipherable text
  87. (19:38:55) +RapeApe9k: i.e., emoticons
  88. (19:39:01) +RapeApe9k: gibberish, etc
  89. (19:39:16) +AoC: we still need to cover the ground and it's still necessary to ban for furry/loli. Agreed that it's vague and confusing for the end user, but why can't we get more specific BR reasons for the rule like we already do for dubs/gets?
  90. (19:39:17) +Bloom: does anyone seriously ban request for "trolling"
  91. (19:39:34) +Bloom: and loli is going to be nsfw 9 times out of 10
  92. (19:39:41) +fsdfdsf: I do if it's causing a ton of rage
  93. (19:39:42) +AoC: not me, usually cover it as "starting a flamewar" in /v/ when it's really bad
  94. (19:39:50) +Bloom: fsdf thats just enabling
  95. (19:39:56) +Azatsu: I didn't overuse it
  96. (19:40:01) +Azatsu: in fact I used it mainly for furry and lolicon
  97. (19:40:07) +RapeApe9k: racism is also a big one
  98. (19:40:07) +Azatsu: . _ .
  99. (19:40:40) +RapeApe9k: FUCK YOU CHINK and GTFO NIGNOG, etc, deserves something more than deletion
  100. (19:40:40) +Azatsu: sometimes those /pol/ guys show up out of nowhere
  101. (19:40:41) +Azatsu: and put up jews on completely unrelated subjects
  102. (19:41:03) +fsdfdsf: Yea they did that on /a/ today Azatsu except it was about blacks
  103. (19:41:30) +AoC: Besides the fact that it's ridiculous to have a rule and not enforce it
  104. (19:41:32) +Azatsu: yeah since GETs/dubs have their own ban request
  105. (19:43:13) +Bloom: i think that if moot wanted us to ban request specific things he would put those templates in
  106. (19:43:24) +Bloom: but i get what you're saying
  107. (19:43:39) +Azatsu: I think dubs/get is pretty specific
  108. (19:43:41) +Azatsu: but well
  109. (19:44:00) +Bloom: well yeah clearly he wants us to br that shit
  110. (19:44:16) +AoC: Also maybe talk about this stuff directly with the janitors rather than having to find out from /q/?
  111. (19:44:24) +fsdfdsf: I think troll like someone was saying earlier can be covered under quality of posts since most of the time they are shti posting and calling it trolling
  112.  
  113. (23:30:43) +AoC: >Ban evasion BR removed
  114. (23:31:02) +Beam: whaaat
  115. (23:31:09) +fsdfdsf: Yep
  116. (23:31:17) ~moots: unless it's a trip you have no idea
  117. (23:31:19) ~moots: and it's a permaban
  118. (23:31:21) ~moots: you guys cant BR it
  119. (23:31:24) ~moots: you need to ask a mod
  120. (23:31:33) ~moots: i removed all permaban BRs
  121. (23:31:50) +AoC: that's why we reserve it for the known ban evaders. The Yamas, the Hot Pinks, the manly tears
  122. (23:31:55) ~moots: report it
  123. (23:32:06) +fsdfdsf: I've only been using it on Kronie and nagi
  124. (23:32:15) +AoC: this is how we report, unless you want us to go back to the standard of posting and pinging mods here
  125. (23:32:26) +RapeApe9k: moots, often there are no mods available.
  126. (23:32:37) ~moots: i am not letting janitors ban request permabans anymore
  127. (23:32:38) ~moots: period
  128. (23:33:16) +Beam: welp
  129. (23:33:26) +AoC: shift the punishments in the requests then and make it so mods have the option to issue a perma then
  130. (23:33:27) +RapeApe9k: this is confusing for me
  131. (23:33:36) +AoC: don't cripple us just because the system is not perfect
  132. (23:34:13) ~moots: i can add a non perm ban evasion template i guess
  133. (23:34:50) +RapeApe9k: if there were more mods, pinging would be fine
  134. (23:34:58) +AoC: thank you
  135. (23:35:14) +RapeApe9k: but as it stands, there are simply not enough mods such that we can count on them being online
  136. (23:35:28) +RapeApe9k: they have lives to live
  137. (23:35:37) +RapeApe9k: they can't lurk IRC 24/7
  138. (23:35:48) +RapeApe9k: and we outnumber them 3 or 4 to one
  139. (23:36:36) ~moots: refresh and you should see it now
  140. (23:36:45) +fsdfdsf: It's there
  141.  
  142. (23:40:50) +AoC: while you're changing the BR system, please add up the global 3 rules broken up in several reasons. We still need to be able to cover furry, loli, racism, guro. Let's say that trolling, flames, uncalled for catchphrases, macros and indecipherable replies are not enough to call for bans given how 4chan has evolved over the years.
  143. (23:41:37) +RapeApe9k: i still think trolling can possibly be worth a ban
  144. (23:41:51) +RapeApe9k: depends on how persistent the troll is
  145. (23:42:18) +RapeApe9k: 4chon has had several long-term trolling campaigns against /r9k/ in the past
  146. (23:42:33) +RapeApe9k: ask katsurugi if you don't believe me
  147. (23:42:37) ~moots: i would prefer most of those things be deleted and not banned for
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