Kusanagi gets fustrated by Naruto on /a/

Kusanagi gets fustrated by Naruto on /a/

 

(03:33:27) %fsdfdsf: pls

(03:33:34) %fsdfdsf: Stop letting Naruto fans spam the board

(03:33:36) %fsdfdsf: Holy fuck

(03:33:57) +WhatWinterLeft: Theres nobody awake right now

(03:34:02) %fsdfdsf: The amount of fucking rage I feel

(03:34:08) %fsdfdsf: When I come home to this fucking shit

(03:34:16) %fsdfdsf: Can not be described

(03:34:18) +WhatWinterLeft: Also fsdfdsf I just hit a guy for CP so if you want to send the ban through that'd be great.

(03:34:28) %fsdfdsf: I don't really want to do anything

(03:34:31) +WhatWinterLeft: Ah, okay

(03:35:08) %fsdfdsf: I want janiteam to actually be a fucking team

(03:35:14) %fsdfdsf: But that's not ever gonna happen

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(03:35:30) +WhatWinterLeft: Its hard to be a team when theres 3 guys up at 5 am

(03:35:47) %fsdfdsf: It's hard to be a team when people are doing shit behind your back all the time

(03:35:57) %fsdfdsf: It makes you start to question if you're even trusted

(03:36:07) %fsdfdsf: Or if you should even continue on with moderating

(03:36:25) +WhatWinterLeft: D:

(03:36:37) %fsdfdsf: I can't take it easy like this

(03:37:00) +WhatWinterLeft: I'd help but i'm not really big on /a/

(03:37:15) %fsdfdsf: /a/ doesn't need help, /a/ needs people who know how the god damn board works

(03:37:20) %fsdfdsf: And not people who think they know

(03:37:38) %fsdfdsf: Anytime /a/ gets help

(03:37:44) %fsdfdsf: It fucks it up

(03:37:50) %fsdfdsf: I don't want help for /a/ anymore

(03:37:53) +WhatWinterLeft: That was kind of the point I was making

(03:38:14) %fsdfdsf: It doesn't matter how many times I explain things

(03:38:17) %fsdfdsf: I am ignored

(03:38:21) %fsdfdsf: I don't even know why I was promoted

(03:39:03) +McNuggets: Because you're pretty damn cool and because you care.

(03:39:09) +VCR_Working: yehhh

(03:39:24) +McNuggets: Also, good morning.

(03:39:38) +WhatWinterLeft: Pretty much that, thats why I bug you all the time when I need something

(03:39:44) +WhatWinterLeft: :3

(03:40:26) +McNuggets: People who don't care, don't get angry when things go sour. We need people who care. 4chan can't take care of itself.

(03:40:28) %fsdfdsf: The current situation with /a/ has me so depressed that I barely want to look at reports

(03:40:56) %fsdfdsf: Because I know (or because if what is happening I feel) That my judgement is being questioned

(03:41:02) %fsdfdsf: of what is*

(03:41:56) %fsdfdsf: People on /a/ don't even trust the mods anymore

(03:42:27) %fsdfdsf: So now we're trying to moderate a board that no longer trusts their mods cause other people keep fucking up the board

(03:42:29) +McNuggets: Perhaps it's not that your judgment is being questioned, but perhaps that you're being deferred to. As in "fsd knows what to do. I'll leave it."

(03:42:38) %fsdfdsf: No

(03:43:00) %fsdfdsf: I have said time and time again that Naruto fans should not be treated special and that is exactly what is happening

(03:43:08) %fsdfdsf: Bleach fans have one thread on chapter release

(03:43:14) %fsdfdsf: OP fans have one thread as well

(03:43:26) %fsdfdsf: BUT THE FUCKING NARUTO FANS NEED 12 FUCKING THREADS OR THEIR BEING FUCKING OPPRESSED

(03:43:30) %fsdfdsf: That's bullshit

(03:43:32) +VCR_Working: yeah no

(03:43:33) +McNuggets: Yup

(03:43:39) +McNuggets: That's how they act, to be sure.

(03:43:47) %fsdfdsf: So again

(03:43:58) +VCR_Working: it's mostly trolls trying to propogate shit

(03:44:09) %fsdfdsf: PLS STOP CLEARING NARUTO THREADS ESPCIALLY WHEN THEY ARE EXCESSIVE

(03:44:37) +WhatWinterLeft: Even more a reason to delete them, if its just troll bait

(03:44:38) %fsdfdsf: I don't normally get mad over things

(03:44:42) %fsdfdsf: But this is really pissing me off

(03:45:04) +McNuggets: Sounds like perfectly reasonable frustration to me

(03:46:31) %fsdfdsf: It doesn't matter

(03:46:40) %fsdfdsf: My complaints will go ignored as usual

(03:46:45) %fsdfdsf: I'm gonna go play games

(03:46:56) +McNuggets: I listen. :(

(03:47:32) +WhatWinterLeft: VCR can you kill pony spam for me? https://boards.4chan.org/v/res/211358354#p211360621

(03:47:40) +WhatWinterLeft: Starts from there down

(03:50:44) +VCR_Working: PURGE AND MAIM

(03:52:01) %fsdfdsf: The less they trust us the less likely they'll be to want to follow the rules

(03:54:23) +VCR_Working: handled, they'll be back tho

(03:54:26) +VCR_Working: i'm very sure

(03:54:34) +WhatWinterLeft: Of course, its a nightly thing

(03:59:03) +McNuggets: It's always a delicate dance between enforcement and permissiveness, obedience and chaos. There are those who will never comply regardless of trust and those who will never trust regardless of enforcement.

(03:59:46) %fsdfdsf: I would rather take it easy than have to worry all the time that someone is clearing bad threads just to bait the board into spamming (This is how I view it) instead of trying to foster positive discussion with a good thread we're just gonna let them throw any thread on the board and multiple ones at that. How does this prove that Naruto fans aren't the garbage everyone claims they are? Instead of trying to work with the community yet b

(03:59:46) %fsdfdsf: eing stern in telling them they can't throw out things but keeping their ideals in mind for quality discussion we're just spitting in their faces

(04:00:17) +McNuggets: The trick is to disregard the extremes and focus on the vast, overwhelming majority of those who just want to enjoy the 4chan experience with others like themselves.

(04:01:04) +McNuggets: "Take it easy" doesn't mean "shrug indifferently".

(04:03:40) +McNuggets: I've never taken the idea of objective enforcement to mean robotic disdain. We can't have that. If we didn't care, we wouldn't be here and the ones who stop caring are no longer here.

(04:04:47) %fsdfdsf: The /a/ users are convinced that they no longer have a mod who actually spends time on the board and are now assuming that any moderation they are getting is from a mod who spends no time on the board

(04:04:50) +VCR_Working: god more cp on warosu

(04:04:54) +McNuggets: However, I do believe that one should never lodge a complaint without offering a solution. Could you perhaps put together a few examples, a cross-section, and have a pow-wow with others within /a/'s bailiwick?

(04:05:08) +VCR_Working: and they circlejerk about it too

(04:05:16) +VCR_Working: bunch of faggots

(04:05:29) +VCR_Working: also

(04:06:02) %fsdfdsf: I have stated my solution and ideas for improving the situation to no avail

(04:06:03) +VCR_Working: i don't think they're consulting other /a/ related jans/mods etc

(04:06:26) +McNuggets: Exactly ... break down in the chain of communication

(04:07:10) +VCR_Working: i'm a bit miffed by it myself

(04:07:18) +VCR_Working: you know why i talk about shit here?

(04:07:32) %fsdfdsf: I'm stuck in a hard place

(04:07:36) +VCR_Working: it's not to bitch about it, it's to get others' opinions on matters

(04:07:52) +VCR_Working: input from others is important in moving forward

(04:08:02) +VCR_Working: otherwise you have people stepping on each others' toes

(04:08:03) +McNuggets: Unfortunately, we're also in a very delicate position in that anything we say here or on /j/ can be leaked and misinterpreted.

(04:08:09) +McNuggets: We need our own language. XD

(04:08:41) %fsdfdsf: Progress was being made until sixtus and other shit

(04:08:56) %fsdfdsf: Now all we're doing is going backwards

(04:09:07) +McNuggets: The sixtus incident did a lot more damage than I think even sixtus realized

(04:09:36) +McNuggets: But that's how it goes when someone acts selfishly

(04:09:52) +VCR_Working: i've said it once, and i'll say it again: communication is key to everything, and if you have people acting without consulting everyone else, it leaves everything in a clusterfuck

(04:09:57) +VCR_Working: or situations like zenith

(04:10:43) +VCR_Working: yeah McNuggets

(04:12:19) +McNuggets: We just have to sort of adapt, overcome, and move on.

(04:13:18) +McNuggets: However, I believe it is far more important that we trust each other than the users trust us. Not as an "us against them" thing, because we are not at war with them; but as a collective understanding of team dynamic.

(04:13:37) %fsdfdsf: team trust is important

(04:13:40) +VCR_Working: yes

(04:13:54) +McNuggets: If we don't question, discuss, and reach consensus; then we're isolated. Isolation is a bad way to moderate.

(04:13:57) +VCR_Working: that's again why i italk about whatever i see

(04:15:13) +McNuggets: And if every now and then some disgruntled janitor or some crafty /g/entooman makes IRC logs public, so be it. Those logs should show that we, as a team, communicate and discuss rules and enforcement and odd cases. It proves that none of us are "rogue".

(04:15:22) %fsdfdsf: user trust of moderation is important too

(04:16:21) %fsdfdsf: When the users trust their mods they are less likely to break the rules

(04:16:23) +McNuggets: Also true; but unfortunately without transparency, they will never trust us.

(04:16:44) %fsdfdsf: We've had /a/'s trust since accel

(04:17:01) %fsdfdsf: Now it's getting shacky with the Naruto thing and some othing things

(04:17:08) %fsdfdsf: other*

(04:17:15) +VCR_Working: i see a few people on #drawfriends talk about moderation, mostly good shit

(04:17:44) +VCR_Working: a lot of it is because of shitzra's meddling

(04:17:45) +McNuggets: The Naruto thing is an odd situation and I do not envy the task of finding balance for it.

(04:18:08) %fsdfdsf: Yea thanks to siztra and tali things are all kinds of fucked up

(04:18:27) %fsdfdsf: Mostly thanks to tali

(04:18:37) +VCR_Working: he's a real annoyance

(04:18:53) %fsdfdsf: Before they couldn't really tell if it was "a different mod" but now that they have a name to put to the bad moderation it's just assumed

(04:18:58) +McNuggets: I have no fresh perspectives on it, nor any viable solution to offer. But since it is well known that Naruto is such a source of contention; it puts Naruto in the unique position to be equally within the rules and troll material.

(04:19:09) %fsdfdsf: I shouldn't say bad moderation

(04:19:15) %fsdfdsf: I should say moderation they don't approve of

(04:19:38) +VCR_Working: alright

(04:19:49) +VCR_Working: i am going to cite 'party day' on /sp/

(04:19:58) +VCR_Working: everyone remembers that, right?

(04:20:17) %fsdfdsf: I don't

(04:20:26) +VCR_Working: oh man it was terrible

(04:21:01) +VCR_Working: it was essentially proof that if all the users on a board decide to rebel, there's NOTHING that we can do

(04:21:22) %BEAM: oh yeah that

(04:21:23) +McNuggets: Ah, yeah. I remember the lesson, if not the event.

(04:21:30) %BEAM: we banned quite a lot of people

(04:22:38) %fsdfdsf: that's an important lesson though

(04:22:53) %fsdfdsf: It shows that we moderate by consent from the users

(04:23:17) +McNuggets: True, but it's important to realize that the vast majority of the users give full consent.

(04:23:37) +VCR_Working: i thiiiiink this fact is why what'hisface was overly lenient about doge, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish

(04:23:39) %fsdfdsf: Until they feel they are wronged

(04:23:44) %fsdfdsf: Like with the loli thing

(04:24:01) +VCR_Working: back to this subject

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(04:26:50) +McNuggets: True ... 4chan as a whole has become too big to be a community. There are communal pockets, but there's no overreaching culture anymore. It has become a culture of selfishness, the culture of the internet. Charlton Heston screaming in his cell as he's sprayed with the hose, "This is a madhouse."

(04:27:03) +McNuggets: So when some pocket feels wrong, they will act out.

(04:27:09) +McNuggets: wronged*

(04:27:27) +McNuggets: Not for the greater good, but for the "what's in it for me".

(04:28:07) +VCR_Working: well to be fair the party incident was less 'feeling wronged' and more 'we can do whatever we want'

(04:28:17) +McNuggets: That's part of that same attitude.

(04:28:27) +VCR_Working: yea

(04:28:39) +VCR_Working: ugh i hatethat self-entitled attitude

(04:28:45) +McNuggets: The idea of "I can do whatever I want and fuck my neighbors if they don't like it" means there is no sense of community, no communal pride. Only selfishness.

(04:28:48) %fsdfdsf: To set off /a/ they have to feel wronged since they are so used to getting along with the mods

(04:31:16) +McNuggets: This is my only issue with /jp/ and its crowd of those who want to see /jp/ burn. There's a vast community on /jp/ that has a "live and let live" attitude, a sense of "I'll do what I like, you do what you like, and it's all good."

(04:31:19) %fsdfdsf: Part of the problem with Naruto is it has to be focused

(04:31:24) %fsdfdsf: You can't go off and do other shit

(04:31:27) +McNuggets: And that works if they stay within their own threads and do their own thing.

(04:31:28) %fsdfdsf: You have to watch that thread

(04:31:56) +WhatWinterLeft: The worst part is its such a small crowd but they do the most damage.

(04:32:00) +WhatWinterLeft: ;_;

(04:32:14) +McNuggets: However, the idea of "I was only havin' a laugh, m8" makes my bile rise. I cannot stand those who seek to destroy something only because someone else is enjoying it.

(04:32:45) +WhatWinterLeft: Oh and vcr that thread is being spammed with horse pussy again.

(04:33:21) +McNuggets: Ah, yes, and then when you do babysit an individual thread, they're all over /ghost/ talking about how you're "bein' #rekt" and how mad you are. Kind of amusing, really.

(04:33:57) +McNuggets: But, I digress ... the only way the users can even come close to trusting us is if we trust each other.

(04:34:12) +McNuggets: So team trust must be primary. The other will fall into place.

(04:34:24) +WhatWinterLeft: Its not even really babysitting, it takes all of 10 seconds to clear all the shitposting and then you move on.

(04:34:45) +McNuggets: I'll use /jp/ as an example again ...

(04:34:45) +WhatWinterLeft: I just wish they'd actually use the report button more

(04:35:31) +VCR_Working: WhatWinterLeft: DAMMIT

(04:35:35) +VCR_Working: just started gta

(04:35:39) +VCR_Working: suffering

(04:35:40) +McNuggets: I know that I'm really busy over the next couple of weeks. I'm not nearly as available as I normally have been. But, I know and trust that I'm NOT going to come home to 800 reports and a very mad /jp/ because there are others in my stead whom I trust to take care of things.

(04:35:41) +WhatWinterLeft: :3c sorry

(04:35:59) +WhatWinterLeft: I asked the molestationmonkey about getting on /v/ but apparently it doesn't need any help during the night

(04:36:17) +VCR_Working: i see

(04:37:20) +McNuggets: Or with /u/ ... Troid and I communicate daily and, while we don't always agree, we easily reach consensus.

(04:37:42) +WhatWinterLeft: Yeah we had a disagreement or two as well, but all solved by communicating.

(04:37:46) +McNuggets: Communication is the essential part of trust. We (janitors) cannot communicate with the users; but if there's team trust, then board trust follows.

(04:38:01) +VCR_Working: mhm

(04:38:31) +VCR_Working: info is another part of it, but irrelevant to discussion

(04:38:43) +VCR_Working: *to this discussion

(04:38:57) +McNuggets: Unfortunately, all of my babbling may not apply to /a/. It's a much larger and more dynamic board than the half dozen I take care of combined.

(04:39:39) +VCR_Working: also certain people dedicated toshitting things up for others

(04:40:15) +McNuggets: Also, unfortunately, I must get ready for court. So, I'm out for the day and will see ya'll this evening.