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Dark says:

Okay.

So I'm supposed to be some third-party dude.

Forgotten says:

*nods*

Dark says:

And in the right corner, we have Icy.

*Josh

And in the left corner, we have ragnarok.

Josh says:

Honestly no one would be better than you lol.

You know my logical side more than anyone on YCM. Or really...

Second to only another friend.

Dark says:

What are you supposed to be discussing?

Terms on which rag can come back?

Josh says:

Not so much that...

Terms are pretty blunt.

Dark says:

Well, talk amongst yourselves and I'll try not to intervene too much.

Josh says:

And in light of this.

Forgotten says:

Browarod only said to be civil between me and him

Josh says:

I have made it public a rule.

Dark says:

Yeah, stay civil.

Forgotten says:

what public rule?

Josh says:

"These are not all the rules of this forum, as writing them all up would prove to be more trouble than it is worth. As well as times when Rules may need to be added due to unforeseen circumstances. So if you are told by a moderator to stop, you must."

Dark says:

Assuming it has some logical bound, of course.

Josh says:

Naturally.

Dark says:

We all understand all the rules can't be listed.

Josh says:

I do not abuse it, at all.

Dark says:

Debatable, but continue anyways.

Josh says:

I may sarcastically reference it to intimidate someone on a personal level.

But I always play hushpuppy after.

Dark says:

Like you and Huntar telling me the next ban would be a perma.

You guys scared the shit outta me.

Josh says:

I never said that.

I actually remained passive and shrugged at it the whole time.

Dark says:

Huntar definitely said that, and I'm fairly sure you backed him up.

Back when you were general super mod.

This isn't about me, though,

Josh says:

A decision even I regret.

Dark says:

Y'all should be discussing and shit about ragnarok.

I shouldn't curse so much; mods are going to read this.

Josh says:

I do not care much about the rest of the forum, except Graphics, CC, and TCG.

And not really... We can easily edit it out.

Forgotten says:

you surprise me, Josh.  I find it difficult you even understand the word regret

Josh says:

Do not go there lol.

Dark says:

(Editing anything out would be altering the thing and I want to send this WHOLLY to the mods.)

Josh says:

No, editing it out for swear words

Dark says:

Mods won't really give a damn.

Josh says:

Or purely personal replies would be justified.

Forgotten says:

Don't worry, Dark.  I'll save it word for word verbatim

Dark says:

I'm not using them in the forum.

Josh says:

^:

Dark says:

I don't plan on editing anything out, but whatever.

You've both read the seven terms of the proposal, right?

Let me pull my YCMessenger up.

Josh says:

I understand regret, but my usage is more "I shouldnt" rather than "I wish I didnt".

Or if one can change it.

To which I have over this past year more than proven my worth as a CC mod.

Dark says:

[i]-ragnarok falls under all of the YCM rules and rules specific to each forum.

-ragnarok is allowed to post like a normal member in sections other than Custom Cards.

-rangarok is allowed to post twenty times a day in every subsection of Custom Cards (but I'd assume he would only be posting in Realistic Cards anyways).

-ragnarok is given a probationary 20% warn for two months to accommodate for the combined mistakes he made before his permaban.[/i]

 

Any major problems from either of you?

Josh says:

Twenty can be more...

However they must be part of a discussion.

Dark says:

Which twenty? Post or warn?

Forgotten says:

See that surprises me Dark.  Browarod never told me Josh would say the number can go higher

Josh says:

I wholely expect him to participate in replies as a normal member.

Dark says:

obv

Spamming is against the rules, right?

I'd hope, at least.

Josh says:

Actually

Spamming goes a little deeper than that

+1 Posts are against the rules and they are written inside the Rules Thread.

Forgotten says:

and Josh, I suggest you think this realistically.  For example, if I went 1000 a day but only 20 are in RC.........well you know what that means

define +1 posts

Josh says:

Below are guidelines as to what we believe a "+1 Post" is.

 

    * Comments that quote another's without further additional feedback given.

    * One-sentence comments that do not appear to help in any way.

    * Comments that only include a "rate" or a "good/bad" comment, without details given as to why you believe so. (eg. "#/10," "It's good.")

    * Comments that are obvious spam and/or trolls.

# Copy and pastes, similar comments, etc. Anything that resembles another's comment without further detail.

# And any other comment that you believe does not seem to assist the original thread's owner in any way.

Dark says:

Hold up, hold up.

I have an idea.

Josh says:

THAT is +1 Posts in CC.

Dark says:

So, Icy, give me an example of an "ideal" CC post.

Something ragnarok should base his posts off of.

Josh says:

No base.

Common sense.

Dark says:

Just give some sort of example.

Y'know, a what not to do tutorial.

Forgotten says:

common sense is a POV, Josh

Josh says:

A not to do?

Dark says:

Sorry.

Josh says:

Lets just go through flat examples.

Dark says:

Other way around.

A what to do tutorial.

Forgotten says:

what is common sense to one person does not have to be for another

Josh says:

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/397/382062.jpg

Post against that card in this convo Rag.

Dark says:

Hold up.

Hold up.

Forgotten says:

fine

Dark says:

Icy, imagine a member made that card.

Review it.

Forgotten says:

but do NOT judge me until I'm not reviewing  this time

Dark says:

*done

Forgotten says:

I'd start by saying the OCG is fine, nothing wrong with it.  I'd ask where the guy got the picture from.  Then I'd go into the effect and how I feel about it

in which case I'd say the following

given that you can only summon lv1 warrior type monsters from it, it should be reasonable, although I'd still put some sort of drawback on that special summoned warrior type monster upon summoning

Josh says:

Definitely an interesting card [users name], I can see it going well in a Warrior Toolbox Deck. Kinda iffy though, as there are seldom many level1 warriors but it being a tuner definitely ups the usage a lot. Can't wait to see more, but I'd watch yourself. The idea itself is on the edge of broken.

See

This is another example I need to get across to Rag.

Forgotten says:

oh really, and what's wrong with mine?

Dark says:

But then you are putting a knowledge of the TCG as a prerequisite for posting in RC.

Josh says:

I'm not putting it as a prerequisite.

His suggestion does 2 things.

Dark says:

I don't know what a Warrior Toolbox Deck is, but I could still comment on the card.

Josh says:

1) It makes the card far more cluttered than it should be, it's a minor thing but it ruins quality in the long run as we saw.

Dark says:

...clutteredness?

Josh says:

2) Since your comment is basing on balance and less the idea of the card people will react badly to you if it is grossly incorrect. Something that while I can manage fine, as long as they are not insulting and just discussing I can do nothing about.

Dark says:

So you are just telling ragnarok to make smart decisions about what he posts if he lacks knowledge in the TCG?

Josh says:

I'm telling him to watch his wording.

Forgotten says:

a contrast to Xander and JG back in the day who constantly posted "your suggestions are the crappiest I've seen, even monkeys could do better"

Josh says:

They've been dealt with.

However it is policy never to make warnings, bans etc Public.

Unless it is so horrifying that I have to ban everyone in the thread (and I have before).

Forgotten says:

point remains if you're going to warn/ban me over things like the suggestion I just made

Josh says:

Did I say that Dark?

Dark says:

You criticized his comment.

Now, is his comment banworthy?

Josh says:

No it isn't.

But I wasn't done with my follow-up.

When people reply to your comment Rag, you should talk back to them.

And discuss the ideals presented.

Forgotten says:

should I now?  This coming from the person who 1 year ago told me my suggestions are so crappy I should only post ONCE per RC thread

Josh says:

This not only betters yourself, but the user's cards as well. Where they can see their idea changing in an active enviorment.

Forgotten says:

and I upheld that to just about every thread I did

Josh says:

Lol no.

I always said to participate in discussions.

Dark says:

@ rag: Realize that anything stated one year ago is somewhat nulled because Icy could be a changed person.

Josh says:

And to post cards every so often.

Dark says:

Just think about that before bashing him for any old comments he may have made.

Also, to make this a lot less biased, I ask that you do not refer to me throughout the duration of this conversation.

Forgotten says:

@Dark: until Josh PROVES that, I will not change my mind

Dark says:

Don't talk to me directly because I'm not really supposed to be here.

Forgotten says:

see Dark

Josh says:

How can one prove it then?

Forgotten says:

Yankee told me about how Josh is the type of person who prefers people who make cards as well, not just rates but never allows to be judged

in your case Josh, to prove it is quite simple

Josh says:

Yes that is true. And I am still that way.

But the keyword there is

"Prefers"

A personality trait, not a duty trait.

Forgotten says:

I don't create much, I am not a creative type person

Josh says:

Then what are you doing in a section where creativity is the very essence of it?

Forgotten says:

that's commenting on what I know

Josh says:

And do you know creativity?

Forgotten says:

in terms of creating my own card, it's much harder to do

Josh says:

Custom Cards. Created Cards. Creative Cards.

Forgotten says:

and where did it say anything you had to create cards of your own to be part of CC?

Josh says:

Its ethic, Rag.

And not once did I say it was required.

Please learn when I switch from preference to duty.

And you know...

I wouldn't even give TCGers weight in CC, if they didn't make cards.

However they do, and are quite active inside Written Cards.

Forgotten says:

Pfft.  Just like how Crab Helmet bashed on me back then for saying everything I said was crap

Josh says:

She was active in WC. And was right up until when she went on her undetermined length Hiatus.

Dark says:

She?

Oh, you told me earlier.

Josh says:

I fail to see how your comment relates to the current thing we are discussing. (Rag's).

Forgotten says:

point remains you going to keep irritating me or not if I do not create cards of my own

Josh says:

In AIM convo's, she showed sympathy towards you in subtle ways as well Rag.

Forgotten says:

Crab has no sympathy, that emotion is not part of her vocabulary

Josh says:

You do not know her at all.

Please do not make assumptions on someone you are not familiar with.

Forgotten says:

I know exactly what I need to know about her: she is a mod who takes pleasure on the suffering of others

Josh says:

She left the forum for a few months after a personal tragedy.

To call her lacking emotion is naive.

Forgotten says:

I didn't say she lacked emotion

Josh says:

" Crab has no sympathy, that emotion is not part of her vocabulary"

Forgotten says:

that didn't mean she has NO emotion

Josh says:

She has much Sympathy.

And emotion is a part of her vocabulary as much as it is anyone's.

Forgotten says:

not as much as mine, when I learned they are to get toyed with all the time

Josh says:

However, like myself she saw the problems you were creating.

And took it out in satire, as she always does.

Quite humorous if you can forgive her.

Forgotten says:

I forgive when I feel the person is worthy to be forgiven

Josh says:

... Dark?

Forgotten says:

and my point still remains, if I make comments like that for the CC threads, you still going to ban/warn me over it?

Josh says:

No I won't.

But I expect you to participate in discussions with your replies.

And not just the nice parts.

You want to be treated like an everyday CC Member?

BEHAVE like it.

Forgotten says:

it's been 11 months since I left.  What is an "everyday CC member" NOW?

Josh says:

Exactly as it was back then.

Replying to what others said.

Good or bad, and discussing what was said.

Dark says:

I'm here; I'm trying not to intervene unless I need to.

Forgotten says:

Fine, but let's get one thing straight here

Josh says:

But you know how I react to cold statements.

Especially pessimistic or blatantly negative.

Forgotten says:

suppose I comment on a guy's card

Josh says:

You speak of this as if you are someone unique.

Forgotten says:

that guy says "Ok, I'll look into it, thanks for the heads up."  Are you going to butt in and say that guy doesn't count because he doesn't know what he's talking about?

Dark says:

@ Icy: You aren't going to know whether or not ragnarok acts like a current RC member unless he is a member in RC. You can't judge how his actions would be from an MSN conversation that is meaningless outside of a few mods who want to read it for some odd reason.

Josh says:

But I can prepare him for what to expect.

As he is treated as everyone else is.

Forgotten says:

*points to what I just said*

Dark says:

If he is let back into YCM, he [b]has to[/b] be treated like everyone else.

Josh says:

No, if that is the topic poster they get more priority bonuses.

Dark says:

So why don't you tell him what everyone else does.

*?

Josh says:

More like how I treat everyone.

Rag.

One thing that ALWAYS happens, is that I seldom give more than slap on the wrist and never explain a warn reason.

It is your Duty to PM me regarding as to why or research why.

Forgotten says:

and you forget that reason is abusable

Josh says:

I do drop a PM explaining IF the situation is unique or I notice the user having trouble understanding.

No it isn't.

You are to PM me.

Forgotten says:

all you have to do is say "Because I said so"

Josh says:

Nope.

Dark says:

Just note that in the proposal there is a clause that you must PM ragnarok and consult with another mod before banning ragnarok, because not everybody trusts you to deal with this situation maturely and fairly.

Josh says:

Doesnt happen that way.

No Dark. I never ban flat out for situations like this.

And often PM the member in graphic detail how to fix.

Forgotten says:

which you never did to me

Josh says:

If they are unable to comply or persist in said negative act, then they are banned properly.

I never did?

Forgotten says:

you just said my suggestions suck balls, that's it

Josh says:

I contacted you over MSN many times.

Albeit under the emotional guise.

Forgotten says:

ah, there in lies it yet again

Josh says:

Which made it hard to understand in many places.

Forgotten says:

the emotional factor

Josh says:

So?

Dark knows full well I have extreme logic under there.

I speak with emotion, act under logic.

Forgotten says:

haven't you learned by now ruling with emotions doesn't work?

Josh says:

Did you not just read what I said?

Speaking with Emotion, acting under Logic.

Dark, for the love of god explain this to him.

Forgotten says:

and you forget I don't see it that way

your emotional speak made you sound too distatorial

Josh says:

But you wish to be treated like everyone else yes?

Dark says:

I'm not explaining anything. If you want to tell ragnarok something, YOU tell it to him.

I'm here to make sure you two don't act like utter assholes to each other.

Josh says:

I have a difficult time over this.

I can revert to pidgin to explain it, but he wouldn't understand.

Nor you.

Forgotten says:

your emotions have ruled your judgment many times

Josh says:

hardly.

I just showed Emotion foremost.

SHOWED

Not acted.

Forgotten says:

and I am FAR from the ONLY guy who would tell you that

Dark says:

This has become a conversation filled with accusations. Anyone want to bring up actual RELEVANT SUBSTANCE? You'd all be banned in General for going off topic.

Forgotten says:

right, right

Josh says:

This is a personal convo isn't it Dark?

Not a forum thread.

Dark says:

We are discussing clauses and modifications to clauses for ragnarok's return.

Josh says:

Let us vent.

Dark says:

Not accusing each other.

No, I will let you vent.

I don't mind.

But at least have some relevant substance went you vent.

"Oh, I rule with logic. Therefore, if you come back to YCM, I can shove a chicken up your ass."

Josh says:

He is accusing me of something I simply didn't do.

Forgotten says:

it's ok.  I'll bottle it back up

Josh says:

And sincerely apologized for my inability to communicate reason properly.

However, it was there every step of the way.

Personality flaw and positive really.

Forgotten says:

sincerely?  You NEVER once apologized to me about your actions.  Even now you refuse to even say you did ANYTHING wrong back then

Josh says:

I have.

On many occasions.

Dark says:

@ Icy: [i]-Icy must treat ragnarok like a normal Custom Cards member, and ragnarok must be treated fairly, just as everyone else is being treated.

-Icy may not warn ragnarok unless ragnarok has explicitly broken one of the Custom Cards rules.

-Icy must send a private message to ragnarok detailing the problem before Icy decides to ban ragnarok.[/i]

 

Any problems with the Icy clauses?

Josh says:

With Dorian, with Chris and a few times in this convo with Dark.

As well as with Browarod.

Forgotten says:

who's Dorian?

Josh says:

Solus

He's my Hanai'i brother, like hell if I'll ever refer to him by his online alias.

Forgotten says:

oh those clauses I have no problem with at all

but I can only speak for myself

Dark says:

I know you have no problem with them.

I asked Icy because they pertain to him.

Josh says:

#3 I will make an exception to.

Normally I never do that.

Everything is done anonymously traditionally.

Dark says:

How is that fair to the person being warned?

I feel like an ideal mod would PM you BEFORE you got banned.

Josh says:

If they broke a rule bad enough to be banned, it should be obvious.

Dark says:

And sometimes it isn't.

Josh says:

If I saw it rising I'd PM.

There's a systematic approach to it Dark

Forgotten says:

Browarod said usually the system works with the mod ban first, then ask about whether it is right or not later, it usually works out

HOWEVER

Dark says:

No, the system usually works for the mods.

Josh says:

Yeah thats how we do it.

Forgotten says:

this system was NOT based on the assumption if "personal vendetta" is factored in

Dark says:

You've never been on the other side of the ban first, talk later.

Josh says:

Personal Vendetta doesnt exist for me anymore.

Forgotten says:

so you say

Josh says:

Sure I may loathe you for the death threats

Forgotten says:

you honestly expect me to trust you on that?

Josh says:

Which I still take very seriously given your career choice.

It doesnt affect my duty on YCM.

And will not.

I can assure you.

Dark says:

So Icy, what is your final opinion on Clause 3?

Josh says:

I will contact Rag over some medium before he is banned.

Dark says:

Okay, but do realize if you PM him, he doesn't reply, and you ban him, he can't read the PM.

Forgotten says:

via which way

Dark says:

Give him a decent amount of time to digest the PM before you banhammer him.

Josh says:

It depends on the moment right?

Forgotten says:

I prefer PM because the uni computers suck balls in installing MSN

Josh says:

Normally I message over MSN if the user is on and has added me.

If not it will be a PM.

Dark says:

Email is a good middle point.

Josh says:

I never email.

Ever.

Dark says:

ohoknvm

Forgotten says:

that works for me as well, if Josh chooses to

Josh says:

I reserve it for registration details, private for college and other misc stuff.

Or emailing a phone to txt a friend.

As far as personal goes, never.

Dark says:

You can email from your hawaiianvampire email to his jspeng. <_<

Josh says:

His jspeng email.

Forgotten says:

oh hell no.  No text messaging

Josh says:

Functions are different.

And even if I did have his phone.

It'd be more like

"Brah wen see dis ahi? Fuka was HUUUGE! Stay like?"

Forgotten says:

that made no sense to me

Dark says:

Bro, when did you see this ahi? Fucker was huge. Stay alike?"

Josh says:

"Hey, do you see this fish? It's huge. Do you want some?"

Dark says:

...

Close enough.

Josh says:

Lolz

Brah is just a nameholder

Or telling someone you are speaking to a person

Dark says:

Are there any stipulations you want for rag returning?

Forgotten says:

whatever.  Point is, Dark is right: "you must PM ragnarok and consult with another mod before banning ragnarok, because not everybody trusts you to deal with this situation maturely and fairly".

Josh says:

Remove that last part.

Forgotten says:

which one?

Josh says:

I will NEVER ban you due to personal reasons.

So you can trust me on this.

Forgotten says:

"personal reasons" is merely a POV, Josh

Dark says:

You must still give him some sort of reason before he gets banned.

Forgotten says:

and as the old saying goes, "I can't take your word any more than you can take mine"

Dark says:

At least if you give him a reason beforehand, if he wants to consult another mod, he has a quote of yours.

Josh says:

But I can take your word as good as mine.

Which is a lot.

I still have trust in your words, regardless of how pessimistic.

Forgotten says:

and you expect me to trust you just because you trust me now?

Dark says:

How about we come to a middle-ground with that clause?

Josh says:

Honestly? Yes. If you want to be treated LIKE EVERYONE ELSE you are going to have to.

Forgotten says:

*nods* what do you propose, Dark?

Dark says:

You must private message ragnarok when he is doing something that COULD result in banning.

Not necessarily right before a ban.

That way you can PM him when you see some spikage of bad things.

Josh says:

Even if it is a WILL

I'll give a 3 day heads up.

Dark says:

Yeah, that's more than enough time.

But you have to give ragnarok a reason before he gets banned so that if he wants to fight the ban, he has some sort of substance.

Josh says:

No fighting bans either.

Dark says:

...

That made no sense

Josh says:

The only person you are to fight it with is with me.

Dark says:

You can't take away someone's right to fight bans.

Josh says:

That's it.

Dark says:

How is that fair in any sense of the word?

I'm being totally unbiased when I say that doesn't make sense.

Josh says:

...

Dark says:

I've fought tons of bans before and no one ever had a problem with it.

Josh says:

Private PM for a moment Dark?

Dark says:

Because it was my right.

No, everything stays public.

Josh says:

Its more or less something I do not wish to appear cold about.

Forgotten says:

I'll endure whatever it is you say

Josh says:

Fighting Bans on YCM is a Luxury, not a right. Actually, everything outside using the CardMaker is.

Forgotten says:

I don't get it

Josh says:

Simple words?

Dark says:

I don't see how. If I was promoted to mod and banned people for no reason, I should not be able to tell them they cannot ask another mod to unban them.

That means I can do whatever the hell I want and they can't do anything about it.

Josh says:

You want to discuss a ban, you PM me only.

Dark says:

No safety net whatsoever.

As if you are going to change your mind after banning someone.

Forgotten says:

and how the hell am I supposed to PM when banned?

Josh says:

You want to discuss a warn, it goes through to me.

Dark says:

That, too.

Josh says:

I just mentioned a 3 day leeway didnt I?

But I am saying you are not to bring it up with anyone else.

Dark says:

And let's just say ragnarok feels he was absolutely unfairly banned.

Then what?

He shuts up and lets it go?

How is that fair?

Josh says:

Then I explain the duration, and if it's short he lives it out.

He has me on MSN after all.

Forgotten says:

oh really?  If I bring it up with you, you'd just say "Well I convinced myself, so it counts"

Josh says:

No I couldn't use that.

Forgotten says:

y wouldn't you?

Dark says:

You say that now but that holds nothing in the future where it matters.

Josh says:

If I did use it, I'd hand it over to Flame Dragon.

Dark says:

Josh, I only included that clause because it acts as a safety net and everyone else has that luxury.

I'm fairly sure you never outright stated any RC ban you give cannot be contested with another mod.

So why restrict ragnarok?

Forgotten says:

tell me this Josh

Josh says:

I didn't.

Forgotten says:

in the 11 months I've been gone

Josh says:

It's just policy. And how it's done.

We research and handle it.

Forgotten says:

have you EVER banned a guy in RC, who then had his/her ban overturned by another mod?

or for that matter

Josh says:

If no reason is ever found, then it is honestly either shortened or lived with. Seldom revoked.

However Rag would never have that misfortune.

Forgotten says:

no reason ACCORDING TO WHO?

Dark says:

Oh, here's something I've been meaning to ask.

Josh says:

Thats the thing.

We don't know.

Dark says:

Let's say ragnarok completely ignores you and goes to another mod anyways.

Josh says:

In those cases.

Dark says:

What are you going to do about it?

Since that is totally what I would do in such a situation.

Josh says:

In those cases?

I end up handling them anyway.

Forgotten says:

*claps hands* Bravo, Dark.  Since the later months before I left, I completely didn't turn to Josh AT ALL

Dark says:

Really?

Josh says:

Yeah.

Dark says:

Why so?

What if he goes to Flame Dragon and FD overturns his ban?

What are you going to do about it?

Josh says:

Inside the RC Rules

I have written

"In conclusion, if any member has an issue with how the Realistic Cards subforum (or any other Custom Cards subforum for that matter) is being handled, please send me a Private Message. I do not bite, and I do give relaxed treatment to those who stand out from the rest in order to voice their concerns."

And it is VERY true.

Dark says:

It is not a command to ONLY give you a private message.

And you cannot force anyone to not PM another mod.

You can't make that a rule because you have no jurisdiction over who I PM.

Josh says:

Only FP and YCMaker does.

And it is never worded as a command.

Forgotten says:

Josh, you seem to forget the mod team knew of your vendetta against me back then.  Now, for any other person, they'd let it go and let you handle it

Josh says:

It is worded as a suggestion.

Forgotten says:

but with you and me...........

Josh says:

Fucking fly.

Little gnat.

How the hell did it get in my room.

Dark says:

...

It's just a fly.

Just like eat it or something.

Forgotten says:

get the flyswatter already

Josh says:

And hey! My friend is related to the Duke of Kamehameha.

Crap...

That makes her my distant cousin.

Dark says:

Anyways, again, I just wanted that rule to act as a safety net.

And since you can't do anything about an overturned ban, I don't see why you are arguing.

Josh says:

And I have no objection to the Flame Dragon thing.

I see him above me.

Which is why I relegate users to him when I know that I am unfit to handle a situation.

Dark says:

So let's recap something.

Forgotten says:

funny, you give me the impression you don't even see God above you, Josh

Josh says:

Did I not express earlier in this topic that I am a Catholic?

._.

Dark says:

Icy will give ragnarok a three-day period before banning him, and this period will include sending a PM listing the warn reason and period.

Forgotten says:

not that I remember

Dark says:

ragnarok is allowed to discuss and contest bans and warns with Icy or Super Mods only.

Good enough?

Josh says:

Yeah I did during thr bowling thing.

Forgotten says:

ok

Josh says:

*the

Forgotten says:

hang on Dark

what if during those 3 days I'm busy and have no time to get on YCM or MSN?

Josh says:

Then I will be patient.

However, if I see active posts it will be acted upon.

Dark says:

Yay, Josh is using logical arguments that I would have used.

i should have ttly been a mod guise

Josh says:

o_O

Dark says:

jkjk

Forgotten says:

ttly?

Dark says:

Totally.

Forgotten says:

ah

Dark says:

Icy, are you fine with the revised clause?

Josh says:

Yes that is fine.

However, I urge him to not use it as much.

It'll only complicate the situation between us further.

Forgotten says:

that's going to have to depend a little on your part as well

Dark says:

I'm sure ragnarok will be smart about the second-chance you are so kindly giving him.

Josh says:

Also...

Send dorian a PM.

*Email

Dark says:

Who the hell is Dorian?

Forgotten says:

but I don't know Solus's PM/email

Dark says:

Who the hell is Solus?

Josh says:

You caused him to break his damn table during the last convo with your pessimism.

Forgotten says:

in fact I don't even know how is the guy anymore

Josh says:

He's alright tbh.

Dark says:

Wait, before this becomes personal, lemme ask one last question.

Anything else about the proposal bugging either of you?

Josh says:

Nope.

Forgotten says:

from what I see it, it is acceptable

Josh says:

I'll revoke the ban first thing in the morning after everything is typed up on my end.

For now, a silent night and relaxation.

Dark says:

Cool, I'll send the PM to Browa.

And you guys can talk freely now.

Josh says:

Just...

Please Rag

Watch out

;_;

Forgotten says:

it's not completely up to you, Josh

Josh says:

Not me

Im warning you against other users.

Forgotten says:

this convo is merely meant to confirm you and I reached an understanding.  It will now to given to the rest of the mods and let them decide

and against other users in terms of what?

Josh says:

There are certain things I CAN NOT defend you against.

Such as constructively replying to your posts.

Forgotten says:

example?

Josh says:

It may sound mean at times, but as long as it isn't flaming or trolling we can do nothing about it.

I can't... But you are seethingly remembered.

And I have been pushing a mild TCG mentality in RC lately.

Dark says:

He got 2nd place in the YMB2.

People still love him.

Forgotten says:

oh yes, let me guess.  As a the most famous RC spammer everywhere?

Josh says:

Those users aren't CC.

Dark says:

Also, Roxas edited your signature with the trophy, btw.

Josh says:

I shut them about that Rag.

Forgotten says:

yeah Roxas told me that

Josh says:

I just say your ban reason is private.

And that you are not a spammer.

Forgotten says:

then what do you mean by seethingly remembered?  By who and for what?

Josh says:

The one's who I was not able to stop last time.

They are still active in CC.

Forgotten says:

I don't even remember who they are anymore

in fact my gut feeling is quite a bit of people left during the last 11 months, or am I wrong on that?

Josh says:

Wrong lol.

Dark says:

I have the sudden urge to gossip about people.

Josh says:

Many of them are still hobbyists.

Dark says:

Which bitches do you hate on YCM?

I hate ADHD-Guitar for some reason, idk.

.....................................................................

Josh says:

Lol

And I like how BtM got wiser.

Less pessimistic.

I gotta go gratz him over MSN later.

Dark says:

Yo, can you ban me over something I say on MSN?

Forgotten says:

Josh, like I said.  Don't revoke it first thing in the morning. This isn't a decision completely up to you

the rest of the mod team has to talk about it as well

Dark says:

Oh, yeah, don't do that.

Forgotten says:

leave it on, for the time being

Dark says:

The mods have to read the convo.

Josh says:

Actually... lol. I was to do the revokation.

Dark says:

Wait until the entire mod team decides.

We don't want a conflicting opinion to occur and then you unban him and then CRAZY.

Josh says:

I doubt it'll matter if I give the a-OK

Forgotten says:

that was not Browarod's intention.  It has to be discussed by the WHOLE mod forum

well tell me this then Josh

when Draco returned

did it only take 1 mod to give the green light?

Josh says:

Because you are MY problem thats why.

Forgotten says:

or did it have to get discussed?

Josh says:

Draco is everyones.

Well

Me and Browarod's.

Dark says:

No, the entire mod forum collectively banned ragnarok.

Josh says:

But the conflict is with you and I.

^:

Dark says:

So the entire mod forum collectively will unban him.

Josh says:

Why such a time too...

Marblezone is out for a while.

The doc is gonna be missed damn it =[

Dark says:

MarbleZone is the best General mod ever.

Josh says:

(yes that's my nickname for Marble, "doc").

Forgotten says:

See Dark, the point is for many months now Browarod had made it clear that the rest of the mod team did not really have a problem with my return.  The only reason why they hesitated is because no one knew if another war would break out or not

Dark says:

I've had a few arguments with him, but nothing super major.

Forgotten says:

all I'm doing is playing it safe

Josh says:

Lol

Me and Doc see eye to eye.

Forgotten says:

most likely, Josh is right

but I don't like to cut corners like that

Josh says:

See

Dark says:

Yeah, just wait it out for another week or so.

Josh says:

Now THAT surprises me.

 

Forgotten says:

hmmm?

Josh says:

I can't play your game playfully?

Unusual for me to even sarcastically say something pessimistic yea?

Forgotten says:

let's just say being TOO playful in a serious game tends not to have the results you want

Josh says:

Habit

I can never take being serious for too long.

Forgotten says:

that makes you and I too polar opposites.  I can never take being too playful for too long

Josh says:

Eh...

Thats why I usually have double convos

one sarcastic one within the serious one

Dark says:

I'm usually mad serious when it comes to anybody except my close friends.

But I have this OCD where I have to think before I say anything, even if I'm with people who don't give a shit.

Forgotten says:

OCD?

Dark says:

I never say anything without thinking about it for at least a few seconds.

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

Forgotten says:

ah

Josh says:

I have that too.

But with multitasking.

Forgotten says:

very well, it appears all that has to be discussed has been discussed, I will now save the convo and send it to Browarod

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