Another Janitor has problems with new BR system

(09:58:05) ‹+duanemoody› is the reports page still vanilla for everyone

(10:00:23) ‹%Katsurugi› it's always been vanilla for me ;__;

(10:00:46) ‹+duanemoody› wait, i can't manually enter a specific reason now unless i specify "other"?

(10:01:10) ‹+duanemoody› were we inconveniencing the people reading the queue

(10:01:22) ‹%Katsurugi› it's only to streamline somethings

(10:01:45) ‹%Katsurugi› I had more of an issue with the UI with the ban requests

(10:01:56) ‹%Katsurugi› not necessarily the ban reasons

(10:02:04) ‹+duanemoody› idgi

(10:02:22) ‹+duanemoody› is the reason field basically off limits to us

(10:02:41) ‹%Katsurugi› it's the same with me too .__.

(10:03:06) ‹%Katsurugi› all of my personalized ban reasons were wiped out

(10:03:07) ‹+duanemoody› i suppose i should actually wait and ask dongfix

(10:03:21) ‹+duanemoody› if that's programming in progess, that's one thing

(10:03:28) ‹+duanemoody› if that's a house policy i quit

(10:04:03) ‹+duanemoody› with dong it's hard to tell when something's intentional or him fucking uop

(10:04:10) ‹+Kyoubro› duane, they prefer us to not use "other". That's word of god. I wouldn't quit, though. I'm expecting moot to realize his new system isn't all he thought it would be fairly soon.

(10:04:24) ‹+duanemoody› i don't want to use other

(10:04:32) ‹+duanemoody› i want the template to not lock the reason field

(10:04:45) ‹+Kyoubro› That was a deliberate decision.

(10:04:55) ‹+Kyoubro› So that things could be "standardized".

(10:05:04) ‹+duanemoody› what does that actually mean

(10:05:24) ‹+duanemoody› if we're messing up the mods' work, i don't want to make their jobs harder

(10:05:26) ‹+Kyoubro› moot wants standard ban lengths, among other things.

(10:05:27) ‹+duanemoody› i get that

(10:05:43) ‹+duanemoody› the length of a user's ban isn't being discussed

(10:05:48) ‹Bat-Guano› I certainly do not mind working "other" ban reports. Just enter the reason.

(10:06:07) ‹+Kyoubro› The big problem with the old ban request system, according to moot, was that it looked like what we had to enter for ban requests.

(10:06:22) ‹+Kyoubro› So it took as long to fill a ban request as to enter it.

(10:06:39) ‹+duanemoody› i'm confused

(10:06:51) ‹+Kyoubro› He wanted it to be faster.

(10:06:58) ‹+Kyoubro› Now it's just a yes/no button that has to be pressed.

(10:07:07) ‹+duanemoody› where

(10:07:13) ‹+duanemoody› the mods reading the queue?

(10:07:25) ‹Bat-Guano› Well, working the Janitor Ban Requests is certainly faster on my end. Works great.

(10:07:44) ‹+duanemoody› ...

(10:07:47) ‹+duanemoody› let me start again

(10:07:58) ‹+duanemoody› not everything neatly fits into 17 dropdowns

(10:08:06) ‹+duanemoody› we on the same page here

(10:08:07) ‹+Kyoubro› moot says they do.

(10:08:18) ‹Bat-Guano› And I would like to show my appreciation of the swell work you Janitors do.

(10:08:20) ‹+duanemoody› moot doesn't janitor the boards

(10:08:27) ‹+Kyoubro› I had this argument yesterday.

(10:08:34) ‹+duanemoody› that can however be his choice

(10:08:41) ‹+Kyoubro› Do you want me to send you the logs of me arguing with moot?

(10:08:46) ‹+duanemoody› why not

(10:08:52) ‹+Kyoubro› Hold on a sec.

(10:09:06) ‹%Katsurugi› global rule 6 regarding the quality of posts probably makes up for 50% of your ban requests

(10:09:14) ‹Bat-Guano› I was a Janitor for many years and had no contact at all with the Mods, only occasional policy questions to Moot --praise him!!

(10:09:33) ‹+duanemoody› i got here by bitching at moot repeatedly on AIM

(10:09:45) ‹+duanemoody› dick sucking is not a strong skill set on my resume

(10:09:55) ‹%Katsurugi› global 6 is seemingly a catchall for most of the things you want dislike on your boards

(10:10:34) ‹%Katsurugi› the second most used ban reason is NSFW material on SFW boards

(10:10:43) ‹+duanemoody› realistically why shouldn't we just make the user report page have the same dropdown and cut out the middleman

(10:10:49) ‹+RapeApe9k› duanemoody, i asked moot about adding a 'janitor comments' text field along with the templated requests. he said he'll think about it.

(10:10:55) ‹%Katsurugi› furry/loli/shota and advertising is the next popular ban request

(10:11:34) ‹+duanemoody› unlike some people here i don't actually aspire to becoming a mod, i just want my board to be less shitty

(10:11:49) ‹+duanemoody› and part of that is recognizing specific trends like sexism derails

(10:12:28) ‹+duanemoody› now if the net effect of using generic reasons is the same i have nothing to complain about

(10:13:05) ‹+duanemoody› what bugs me more than this is the management "they don't need to know" line

(10:13:30) ‹+RapeApe9k› right now, if your ban request needs context, maybe just ask a mod about it. but i'll admit a comments field would be useful in those rare situations where the reason for ban requesting isn't immediately obvious.

(10:14:14) ‹+duanemoody› again, if the entire system is as simple as a dropdown of 17 reasons why isn't it the public interface

(10:14:21) ‹+duanemoody› and if that's the plan, why aren't we being told

(10:14:40) ‹+Kyoubro› http://privatepaste.com/691e94a0ae

(10:14:58) ‹+Kyoubro› duane: I brought that to moot's attention as well. He gave no clear answer, according to my memory.

(10:15:07) ‹+Kyoubro› The paste is set to expire in 30, so open it now.

(10:15:11) ‹+duanemoody› translation: "idunno"

(10:15:14) ‹+duanemoody› ok i have it

(10:15:36) ‹+Kyoubro› I left in some discussion after I stopped, because I thought it might be useful to see.

(10:15:57) ‹+Kyoubro› Reasoning being, you can skim over extraneous material but you can't see things I don't copy.

(10:16:59) ‹+duanemoody› btw pp has IRC formatting as a code option

(10:17:41) ‹+duanemoody› those numeric codes preceding your own posts break it, i suspect mIRC or something at work there

(10:17:48) ‹+duanemoody› i.e. color codes

(10:17:58) ‹+RapeApe9k› i severely doubt the post report dialog will be getting more options.

(10:18:07) ‹+RapeApe9k› in fact, moot mentioned he might even remove the 'spam

(10:18:22) ‹+RapeApe9k› *spam option, as it's redundant

(10:19:08) ‹+RapeApe9k› poster decides 'this is a bad post' -> janitor decides *why* it is a bad post -> mod decides if it's bad enough for a ban

(10:19:31) ‹+duanemoody› mod can't even see the fucking image

(10:19:37) ‹+RapeApe9k› they can now

(10:19:37) ‹+Kyoubro› Oh, I just set my name to highlight so that I can see between my posts and everyone else's.

(10:19:43) ‹+duanemoody› oh really

(10:19:44) ‹+Kyoubro› Thank you for the tip, though. I'll remember it.

(10:20:00) ‹+RapeApe9k› except for thingsban req'd as illegal

(10:20:04) ‹+duanemoody› perfect

(10:20:09) ‹+duanemoody› that is great

(10:20:11) ‹+Kyoubro› RapeApe: they never actually confirmed that.

(10:20:15) ‹+duanemoody› oh

(10:20:21) ‹+Kyoubro› They never confirmed that illegal requests are handled differently.

(10:20:38) ‹+RapeApe9k› i thought they did. i'll look though the logs.

(10:20:40) ‹+Kyoubro› You just inferred it, and nobody contradicted you.

(10:21:06) ‹+Kyoubro› Bat-Guano, can you confirm/deny this?

(10:21:07) ‹+duanemoody› if i'm reporting cartoon porn it's not the same territory as a photo of a child being jackhammered up the doo doo hole

(10:21:20) ‹+duanemoody› more importantly

(10:21:34) ‹+duanemoody› we have a ton of off topic where OP deliberately posts no text

(10:21:43) ‹+duanemoody› which means the mod is going to see fucking nothing

(10:21:44) ‹+RapeApe9k› Sep 01 19:29:21 <kdel>      just use the global rule for shitposting or trolling

(10:21:44) ‹+RapeApe9k› Sep 01 19:29:26 <Kyoubro>   You can't see the image.

(10:21:44) ‹+RapeApe9k› Sep 01 19:29:36 <Kyoubro>   The image is why it's banworthy.

(10:21:44) ‹+RapeApe9k› Sep 01 19:29:38 <kdel>      yeah we can

(10:21:50) ‹+duanemoody› ahhh

(10:21:57) ‹Bat-Guano› Kyoubro >Bat-Guano, can you confirm/deny this? -What? Wha'd I do, now?

(10:22:01) ‹+Kyoubro› RapeApe, I said they never confirmed that illegal requests are handled differently.

(10:22:29) ‹+duanemoody› we've been told that all images are purged from the queue (presumably to prove 4chan isn't archiving CP)

(10:22:43) ‹+duanemoody› don't make me dig through logs to quote it

(10:22:45) ‹+Kyoubro› Can you confirm or deny that ban requests regarding illegal material (CP) don't have their images saved, while other ban requests do?

(10:23:20) ‹Bat-Guano› The new Janitor Ban Reports shows the images of the posts, bit not of reports of illegal stuff (CP, etc.)

(10:23:27) ‹+duanemoody› perfect

(10:23:30) ‹+duanemoody› no seriously

(10:23:47) ‹+duanemoody› one of the things i hated doing was describing an OP's picture when there was no text

(10:23:50) ‹+Kyoubro› Okay, cool.

(10:23:55) ‹+duanemoody› or any other post like that

(10:24:27) ‹+duanemoody› "this is off topic because so far as I know ron paul is not actually a cartoon character despite my own political convictions on the matter"

(10:24:30) ‹Bat-Guano› Works great on my end. Needs a few more tweaks. Needs to show the name of the poster, etc.

(10:25:03) ‹+Kyoubro› Not to mention the topic.

(10:25:13) ‹+duanemoody› fucking signed

(10:25:17) ‹+duanemoody› the backend is shit

(10:25:30) ‹+duanemoody› dong can slave over the frontend all he likes

(10:25:40) ‹+Kazisho› Is Bat a developer or mod...? Need to know that, obviously.

(10:26:43) ‹+duanemoody› also i have a determined avatarspammer

(10:26:59) ‹+duanemoody› you want fast? give me the opportunity to flag multiple posts and give them the same report

(10:26:59) ‹Bat-Guano› Mod

(10:27:06) ‹+duanemoody› yeah yeah that's funny

(10:27:08) ‹+duanemoody› guess what

(10:27:13) ‹+duanemoody› he knows how to cycle a modem

(10:27:22) ‹+duanemoody› like everyone else on 4chan

(10:27:48) ‹+duanemoody› if the answer to something is "go on irc" that means "fix the backend"

(10:28:13) ‹+Kazisho› Alright, thanks. ^^^^^^

(10:31:31) ‹+duanemoody› also please no one take my whining and incessant kibitzing personally