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Move buyfag threads to /jp/?

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  1. Move buyfag threads to /jp/?
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  3. (08:18:41) %kdel: so for the /a/ janitors, if you feel strongly about this subject, please point out examples of very offtopic posts
  4. (08:18:51) %kdel: that way, we look less like nazis
  5. (08:18:52) +AoC: the problem with that kdel is that it cements the shift to userbase division
  6. (08:19:02) +AoC: and that the /jp/ split was completely meaningless
  7. (08:19:10) +AoC: which is more real with each passing season
  8. (08:19:27) %kdel: but the board was created specifically to handle secondary material like merchandise
  9. (08:19:33) +AoC: I know nobody in inner party cares about /jp/, but come on, at least throw a bone our way
  10. (08:19:35) %kdel: VNs, and touhou
  11. (08:19:55) %kami`: what
  12. (08:19:56) %kdel: i'm not simply saying the content is shit so let's shove it to /jp/
  13. (08:20:12) @ALTERNATIVE: what you want to do is take a thread that people on the board dont mind and move it to another board
  14. (08:20:20) @ALTERNATIVE: the only goal I can see here is 'let's make /a/ as angry as possible'
  15. (08:20:31) +Thesmothete: Isn't that it's own reward
  16. (08:20:35) @ALTERNATIVE: haha
  17. (08:21:06) @ALTERNATIVE: you should ask the community what they'd want to do, on /q/
  18. (08:21:19) +Thesmothete: But really, I do understand the point both sides are making, and it's kind of a hard situation.
  19. (08:21:41) %kdel: honestly, let's just leave it for now. it's not a pressing issue
  20. (08:21:48) %kami`: ALTERNATIVE do we really have to wait for moot to approve us to post there though
  21. (08:22:31) @ALTERNATIVE: I mean as a member of the community
  22. (08:22:32) @ALTERNATIVE: not as a moderator
  23. (08:23:05) %kami`: it won't lend much credibility to the idea if we post normally
  24. (08:23:18) @ALTERNATIVE: it just needs a conversation
  25. (08:23:28) @ALTERNATIVE: if you post a thread capped it'll just be bitching
  26. (08:23:33) +AoC: I take it you haven't been on /q/ regularly then
  27. (08:23:35) @ALTERNATIVE: doesnt matter what it's about
  28. (08:23:46) +AoC: user driven idea threads are not well received
  29. (08:23:54) @ALTERNATIVE: okay aoc you're right, my solution is for you to shut up about this, then
  30. (08:24:16) %kami`: where are my anime emoticons when I need them
  31. (08:24:31) +andonuts: ┐( ¯∀¯ )┌
  32. (08:24:36) @ALTERNATIVE: there you go
  33. (08:25:07) +fsdfdsf: So, sorry for just waking up, but this whole thing is about the buyfag threads?
  34. (08:25:20) +andonuts: I don't even remember what this was about originally.
  35. (08:25:23) @ALTERNATIVE: my point is you can try and talk about it with them, but if they aren't angry about the threads I don't see how they're harmful
  36. (08:25:55) @ALTERNATIVE: also 'buyfag' just sounds stupid
  37. (08:25:58) %kami`: we're not really advovating immediate action here anyway ALTERNATIVE
  38. (08:26:27) %kami`: we're just discussing possibilities with janitors and exchanging ideas
  39. (08:26:37) +ZenithTheOne: The best thing you can do about this now is just keep testing the waters. Right now the only thing we have is speculations.
  40. (08:26:40) @ALTERNATIVE: well that's good
  41. (08:26:53) %kami`: the reason it was brought up
  42. (08:27:05) +AoC: it's not time sensitive now that the culture is entrenched
  43. (08:27:11) %kami`: is that there is a trend towards 'general' threads on /a/ now
  44. (08:27:19) +fsdfdsf: Yes there is
  45. (08:27:30) %kami`: which we might want to take care of now before they turn worse
  46. (08:27:35) +andonuts: >worse
  47. (08:27:38) +andonuts: Pls no.
  48. (08:27:39) %kami`: yes
  49. (08:27:43) +ZenithTheOne: As AoC said, doing anything too hastily would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
  50. (08:27:57) +ZenithTheOne: Several times in fact.
  51. (08:28:14) %kami`: so, before it becomes 2009 again
  52. (08:28:25) @ALTERNATIVE: I find that unlikely
  53. (08:28:29) %kami`: it might be good to see what people think of it on /q/
  54. (08:28:50) @ALTERNATIVE: the worst that'll come of that is we'll get no answers, leaving us exactly in the same position
  55. (08:29:03) %kami`: not if it were posted by a mod
  56. (08:29:15) @ALTERNATIVE: I mean there's nothing to lose
  57. (08:29:30) %kami`: technically there is
  58. (08:29:37) @ALTERNATIVE: what
  59. (08:29:45) %kami`: because it could spoil the 'balance' we have on /a/ right now
  60. (08:29:48) +fsdfdsf: The respect of the community but that only matters if you care
  61. (08:29:54) %kami`: where there isn't really anything wrong with anything
  62. (08:29:57) @ALTERNATIVE: asking about it on /q/ will spoil the balance?
  63. (08:29:58) %kami`: at the moment anyway
  64. (08:30:02) %kami`: yeah
  65. (08:30:05) @ALTERNATIVE: why?
  66. (08:30:18) %kami`: 1. you could get people taking advantage of it to shitpost
  67. (08:30:31) %kami`: 2. it could inflame people and create factions
  68. (08:30:48) %kami`: 3. it might create needless drama
  69. (08:31:02) @ALTERNATIVE: so, never ask people what they want?
  70. (08:31:11) %kami`: Did I say that?
  71. (08:31:11) %kami`: no
  72. (08:31:30) %kami`: I'm just discussing the pros and cons of actions
  73. (08:32:07) %kami`: it was my idea to put it on /q/ in the first place
  74. (08:32:50) %kami`: I don't want to shake the boat needlessly is all
  75. (08:33:27) %kdel: honestly, /q/ is just not a good place to discuss on what to do
  76. (08:33:49) %kdel: it's better for explaining why certain rules already are
  77. (08:34:38) +ZenithTheOne: People go to /q/ to complain about current rules rather than discuss new rules. That's how it usually goes. Still there should be a more effective way of letting the community now.
  78. (08:34:45) @ALTERNATIVE: aside from getting people to come into irc, there's not really another option
  79. (08:34:59) @ALTERNATIVE: a sticky on the board will always have a negative effect
  80. (08:35:09) @ALTERNATIVE: and meta discussion isnt allowed anyway
  81. (08:35:11) +AoC: /a/ has a balance of mod post in the thread in question
  82. (08:35:22) %kdel: no, i think it's just better to make a discussion and then justify it with reasonable amount of evidence
  83. (08:35:33) %kdel: make a decision, i mean
  84. (08:35:35) %kdel: not discussion
  85. (08:35:40) +AoC: it will hijack the current thread, but we will get feedback from the actual concerned people
  86. (08:35:59) %kami`: I'm worried about tarnishing /a/ mods' reputations by trying to change the status quo
  87. (08:36:08) %kdel: discussion will only lead to both sides ripping at each other's throats
  88. (08:36:25) @ALTERNATIVE: rest assured that no matter what you do, if it's bad they will blame "new mods"
  89. (08:36:27) %kdel: yes, which is why i don't think we should change unless we really need to
  90. (08:36:35) +AoC: understandable concern, /a/ team has done a lot in terms of public relations
  91. (08:37:03) @ALTERNATIVE: how many of these threads devolve into bickering?
  92. (08:37:23) %kami`: it is circlejerking more than bickering
  93. (08:37:42) %kami`: really, overall it isn't a big problem
  94. (08:37:46) +AoC: bickering is the issue in the drawfag threads, but that's a whole different hornet's nest
  95. (08:38:03) @ALTERNATIVE: please keep adding 'fag' to the end of every word
  96. (08:38:19) @ALTERNATIVE: I'm just kidding, try 'ing'
  97. (08:38:33) %kdel: but muh cultural lingo
  98. (08:38:35) +AoC: ┐(ﾟ～ﾟ)┌ it's what the userbase choose for themselves
  99. (08:38:41) @ALTERNATIVE: yes but you dont have to use it
  100. (08:38:42) +ZenithTheOne: We don't invent it.
  101. (08:38:47) @ALTERNATIVE: I'm sorry but it makes you sound stupid :(
  102. (08:39:00) +ZenithTheOne: For stupid you should see /b/.
  103. (08:39:11) @ALTERNATIVE: of this I am well aware
  104. (08:39:11) %kami`: kdel you know what I mean right? I see a bad trend forming with these threads in general (draw,buy,eva,idolmaster)
  105. (08:39:12) +ZenithTheOne: We are having quite the civil discussion here.
  106. (08:39:20) @ALTERNATIVE: it's just my pet peeve, zenith
  107. (08:39:25) +ZenithTheOne: All right.
  108. (08:39:31) @ALTERNATIVE: it's not terminology we need to be using
  109. (08:39:33) %kdel: right now, we have eva, idol, buy, draw, and /ak/ generals
  110. (08:39:41) %kami`: exactly
  111. (08:39:43) +fsdfdsf: Akari is love too kami`, that one happens every day now
  112. (08:39:48) » Quit: +ClericofMadness (~ClericofM@E6F59FFF.A391A20F.D79635EB.IP) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  113. (08:39:50) %kami`: oh really
  114. (08:39:57) %kdel: of those, the easiest to prune are the secondary material
  115. (08:40:03) %kdel: which is buy and draw threads
  116. (08:40:06) %kami`: oh not to mention
  117. (08:40:06) +andonuts: The IM@S threads honestly are not that bad. They have tons of dedicated posters translating various IM@S works or keeping people up to date on release dates, etc.
  118. (08:40:09) %kami`: the waifu threads
  119. (08:40:20) %kdel: yeah, i know andonuts
  120. (08:40:25) @ALTERNATIVE: do you have any good artists and why are they posting on /a/ instead of /i/
  121. (08:40:35) +Sange: Keep the buy thread, it's probably only going to make things worse forcing a change for now. Try a gradual discussion on /q/. /jp/ already has fig threads and I doubt part of /a/ wants to be moved around
  122. (08:40:36) %kami`: because
  123. (08:40:39) %kami`: muh culture
  124. (08:40:45) +fsdfdsf: There's lots of good artists, VCR is one of them
  125. (08:40:48) %kami`: and if we move them out of /a/
  126. (08:40:53) %kami`: it will be worse backlash
  127. (08:40:59) +andonuts: IM@S shitposting is my favorite shitposting. 'I want to fuck x' makes me laugh everytime.
  128. (08:40:59) %kami`: than the buy-threads
  129. (08:41:16) @ALTERNATIVE: I mean I don't think that draw threads should be allowed on /a/, and they didn't used to be
  130. (08:41:20) @ALTERNATIVE: but it is too late now
  131. (08:41:40) +fsdfdsf: There would be less reports if they weren't allowed, that's for sure
  132. (08:41:56) @ALTERNATIVE: It's happening on /d/ too, people drawing
  133. (08:42:02) @ALTERNATIVE: you're not supposed to draw on /d/
  134. (08:42:07) +AoC: my brother (used to) contribute to the /a/ threads, found the environment conducive to growth and getting constant feedback and new ideas for new art was a good engine for him, plus it gives back to the community
  135. (08:42:10) @ALTERNATIVE: but he's okay at it
  136. (08:42:48) %kami`: I think it amounts to the community
  137. (08:42:52) @ALTERNATIVE: do you have any bad artists in these threads
  138. (08:43:01) %kami`: its not the same posting on /i/ as it is on your home board
  139. (08:43:12) %kami`: posting a nice drawing of x
  140. (08:43:31) %kami`: most of the artists are decent
  141. (08:43:47) +ZenithTheOne: The thing is people find communities they like and want to contribute to them in any way they can, with the skills they possess. OC threads, including draw threads are going to pop up on such boards.
  142. (08:43:48) @ALTERNATIVE: if it were shit art I'd feel more strongly about getting rid of it
  143. (08:43:57) %kami`: yeah thats the thing, alt
  144. (08:43:58) +AoC: it all comes back to that, the concept of home board and separate userbases rather than all of 4chan being a single demographic going to separate boards depending on what topic they want to talk about this time
  145. (08:44:03) %kami`: they provide decent OC
  146. (08:44:16) » Join: Azatsu (~Fever@arimashou.desu.ka)
  147. (08:44:16) » ChanServ (+v) Azatsu
  148. (08:44:17) %kami`: and there is a community of people providing ideas for it
  149. (08:44:46) +Azatsu: talking about /a/ kami`?
  150. (08:44:50) %kami`: ta
  151. (08:44:53) %kami`: ya
  152. (08:44:54) %kami`: da
  153. (08:44:59) +Azatsu: I c
  154. (08:45:13) +AoC: http://drawfriends.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&pid=0
  155. (08:45:57) +ZenithTheOne: http://drawfriends.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=29285 heh
  156. (08:45:59) +ZenithTheOne: but anyway
  157. (08:46:01) %kami`: also, one of the things to consider is that this is one of the things that make people enjoy coming back to /a/ for
  158. (08:46:02) +ZenithTheOne: It varies.
  159. (08:46:04) +ZenithTheOne: In quality.
  160. (08:46:14) %kami`: regardless of the rules
  161. (08:46:39) %kami`: it is important to remember that they come to boards for entertainment
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