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  1. Part 3 is absolutely terrible.
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  3. Since I got sick of saying why Part 3's a bad game, I'm just going to make this instead so that I only have to write it once. The one and only aspect of the game that's kind of okay is the music. Everything else is, at best, significantly worse than Part 1 and 2, and at worst, completely, irredeemably terrible and practically game-ruining on its own.
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  5. >BUT I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THAT
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  7. Fuck off, then.
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  11. - THE NARRATIVE ITSELF -
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  13. The game actually starts out okay. The castle part and Remina labs are both decent setups for the whole world going to shit, Luka's ring breaking and him going full Angel mode on the bitch that burned Ilias Village was cool, and Enrika was good too. However, two major things happen here that end up really screwing the game later; Alice turning into a loli and Luka losing the spirits. By themselves, those two things seem okay. But they're handled so unbelievably badly later on that they seriously hurt the game.
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  15. No, the problems don't really start until you finish Enrika, and Micaela gives this massive infodump about Ilias and how the world was created and everything else. This takes an incredibly long time, is nothing but bland exposition, and gives you way too much (and a lot of completely irrelevant) info, and worst of all, it's fucking boring. This indicates the first of Part 3's major problems. Its pacing is HORRIBLE. Part 1 and 2 did a good job of steadily building to a climax (and various minor climaxes throughout), but Part 3 is completely all over the place. There'll be several hours of absolutely nothing important happening, and then suddenly you're given 20 minutes of exposition. Or a character's tragic backstory is randomly shown, or whatever other clichéd crap Torotoro felt like pulling out of his ass that day.
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  17. We're also given another important plot point at Enrika. If Luka uses his holy powers too much, his human body will burn up, he will become pure holy energy. In other words, Luka will fucking die. This is probably one of, if not THE single biggest problem in a game where damn near everything's a problem. Once again, on its own, it's fine. But the way it's handled later on absolutely ruins the whole game in a way that isn't readily obvious even after you finish the game. And I do mean it ruins Luka's entire story, not just Part 3. That's how bad it is.
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  19. Lastly, any moral ambiguity from this point on was thrown completely out the window. Up to this point, it was shown that monsters themselves could be pretty damn evil when they wanted to be, and that Ilias just may have had a slight point. But once Micaela gives her big infodump, it basically becomes "MONSTER GOOD, ANGEL BAD" while Alice acts obnoxious. From that point on, the only monsters that aren't totally good or just misunderstood are the ones working for Black Alice/Ilias. Alice I was stronger and superior to Ilias in every way and the monsters were better than everybody ever, YAY!
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  21. Anyway, after Enrika, the game almost immediately takes an absolutely massive nosedive in quality, from which it never recovers. And it just seems to get worse and worse and worse. It's the part that even the most adamant defenders of Part 3 generally despise. The fucking Spirit Hunt. Before you do that, though, you have to go back to Iliasburg and Harpy Village. These parts are still okay (Queen Harpy), but still worse than what came before.
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  23. Next, we get to Sentora. And what follows is quite possibly the most BORING Armageddon ever recorded. Literally all you do for the next several hours is go to an area you already went to, watch a few forced, terrible H-scenes between random Setouchi monsters and some generic people, fight a couple bland monsters that serve absolutely no purpose, get your spirit back, read a terrible, 2-minute H-scene and then get a crappy version of her power back. Along the way, you get to read more terrible, writing with dumb shit pulled from Torotoro's ass ("Knightroid left a note, she must be honorable!"), see how everyone is magically working together because "COEXISTENCE YAY!", watch every important character slowly deteriorate (see CHARACTERS below), and try your hardest not to fall asleep. This doesn't even qualify as filler. This is beyond filler. This is a goddamn insult to filler. What was the point of making Part 3 longer than the other two parts if half of it is just shitty padding? The only interesting part that happens here is when LaCroix is revealed to be Chrome's sister in the mansion. That's literally it.
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  25. And yes, that's right. The Spirit Hunt™ where pretty much nothing interesting happens is half the fucking game. Torotoro actually thought wasting half the game on this crap was a good use of what's supposed to be the game's climax, what parts 1 and 2 were building toward. Saying that Part 3 is good but then saying the Spirit Hunt is bad is like saying FFXIII is good because of Gran Pulse. It does not work that way.
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  27. What's after that? Not a lot. A couple labs, the Sinner's Prison, go to Heaven, kill Ilias, the end. Anything that may have been of value here is completely ruined because it's paced just as pathetically badly as the rest of the game. A lot of shit is happening at once at a ridiculous speed, but none of it has any weight, and there's never a reason to give a shit about any of it. You already know it's going to end in the most hackneyed, cliché way possible. You know Ilias is going to be defeated, you know everything will be just fine, you know Luka won't die (or any other major "good" character, for that matter) and you know he'll end up with Alice. Any person, animal, or organism with more than two functioning brain cells at their disposal could have guessed that this would happen. Would it have been better if Torotoro had tried to pull something actually shocking? Depends on how it was handled, but it probably would have come off as being just as cheap as what we actually got. But regardless, because of the utter predictability, any half-assed attempt Torotoro makes at being suspenseful or dramatic dramatic falls flatter than Vamp Loli's bare chest, but without the sexiness.
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  29. But even if you didn't know what was going to happen since the beginning of Part 2, the way his dramatic attempts were handled are bad by any standard. Luka's holy power eating his body is mentioned like three times, and then Ilias makes it all better in the end with what can only be described as a LITERAL Deus Ex Machina. Everything else will get, at best, a ten line scene or so in a random place with the generic sad piano music because FEELS™. Even the final battle feels laughable to anyone who wasn't riding the hype train harder than Tamamo rides Luka's dick in her scenes. Each major character (after being absent for 90% of the game) shows up one-by-one, hits Ilias a few times, gets wrecked and then retreats. Repeat 6 or 7 times, and then you hit Ilias with Quad Giga. And that's it. MGQ Part 3. Literally the only thing that happened that couldn't be prescribed to insomniacs is Chrome and her sister, and MAYBE Science Team™. And then of course, some plot points were straight-up ignored, never mentioned again (Sara and Granberia, Hero's Proof, etc.) Anyway, moving along.
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  33. - THE CHARACTERS -
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  35. >Obligatory "MUH WAIFU MUH HEADCANON" paragraph here
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  37. OH BOY OH BOY, my favorite part. Pretty much any major character that had anything resembling a personality changed for the worse. Much, much worse. All the dialogue's quality deteriorated, to the point that everyone talks like they're literally autistic (not Arakon autism, "I can't look people in the eyes and organize everything like it's a game of Tetris" autism. Everyone talks like they have some social disorder, and it's all unbelievably awkward and stilted. It's not to the point where it gets outright creepy, but it feels incredibly "off". Again, this was present in Part 1 and 2 to an extent, but not NEARLY as bad as it got in Part 3. It's hard to tell whether this is a problem with the game itself or the translation, though. Rogue himself admits he half-assed it. Can't say I blame him at this point.
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  39. Anyway, glorious character derailment. Start with the knights. Tamamo got the most screentime, so I'll start there. In part 1/2, she was a cute, playful loli kitsune who was also very old, clearly knew more than she was letting on, raised the Monster Lords since Alice XV. Part 3 comes along and then starts dropping hilariously unsubtle hints that she's one of those Six Ancestors that were first mentioned 5 minutes ago. So she's an ancestor (>MUH LOLI), that's not really a problem. The problem is mostly with how she acts with regards to Alice. She literally went rom a mysterious, wise sexy loli to an AlicexLuka shipper and fanfic editor (Note: this is not hyperbole). It's also revealed that the only reason she entered the fight for the Monster Lord was to make sure Alice won. Why? Who the fuck knows, probably because her Master Alipheese I willed it. This makes both Tamamo and Alice look like shit, and after seeing the bullshit the other knights not named Granberia come up with, it makes you wonder if Alice ever should have been the Monster Lord at all. Basically, anything that made Tamamo a good character before is completely gone, and now? She has no character anymore. She's a fucking fangirl / drone for the Monster Lords now.
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  41. Alma and Granberia, not to much say here. Alma Elma suddenly became Bruce Lee out of fucking nowhere. That's beyond ridiculous on its own, but her character makes no goddamn sense now. She loves fighting despite being a succubus and is very good at beating the shit out of people, but she also hates violence because she's supposed to be a Succubus. So she loves raping people, but at the same time she likes fighting more and has to repress that despite hating violence? It doesn't make any fucking sense to me, anyway.
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  43. Granberia didn't really change much. >BUT MUH PURE DICK-LOVING MAIDEN oh shut up you probably love dicks too you little faggot. With that said, Sara's plot point of wanting to marry Granberia was completely dropped (not even mentioned), and the Dragon Seal gets like 10 lines. She literally does absolutely nothing in this part, and I'm pretty sure she doesn't appear once until near the end. The Alma rape thing was believable, but still kind of stupid (42 times? Seriously?). It does all feel like everything above was intended to be a mean-spirited "Fuck you" by Torotoro. But here's the thing: Part 3 fucks every other character SO GODDAMN MUCH that Granberia actually gets off the best for it. She doesn't do anything in Part 3, so her characterization doesn't have a chance completely go to shit. In the end, she definitely suffered the least, despite what waifufags say.
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  45. Erubetie, holy fucking shit she's probably tied with Tamamo in terms of going full retard. In Part 2, she's a very, very pissed off slime that hates all humans for polluting her spring. She hates them so much that she's willing to blow up a whole continent just to waste Luka (and everything else on it, including the Monster Lord). Then Part 3 comes along, Important Character Who Was Never Mentioned Until Now™ #2463 turns on her and pollutes the spring, and Luka stops her. And then Erubetie falls in love with Luka. No, seriously, that's all it took. Literally "SLIMES ARE EVIL TOO? OH GOD I WAS WRONG ALL ALONG FILL MY SLIME PUSSY UP LUKA-CHAN~!" Her character does a complete, utter 180 for the flimsiest reason. She also jumps on the fangirl train with Tamamo, feeling the need to mention how Alice and Luka are perfect for each other. In fact, a lot of the characters do this for little-to-no reason while simultaneously wanting Luka's dick. As always, the narrative's as subtle as a Yao shitposter about it, constantly having to remind you  “ALICE IS LUKA'S WAIFU, DAMMIT”. It's as though Torotoro himself's not convinced of their love, and has to throw this shit in every chance he has to make sure. Now why in the world would that be?
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  47. Alice, oh dear holy fuck she got derailed at least twice as bad as any of the knights. In part 1 and 2, she was a lazy bitch. There is no denying that. However, despite generally being a cunt and a half, she wasn't completely intolerable, and did show that she cared about Luka several times throughout the game. They even got a couple of sweet scenes near the end of part 2. So what does Part 3 do with all that? Take the worst aspects of her character in parts 1 and 2 that she was supposedly growing out of, make her about fifty times more obnoxious and bratty while having everyone and their mother shill her at the same time. And as for her treatment of Luka? These three lines say it all.
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  49. >The cause of your damage is that holy energy eating into your flesh and blood.
  50. >I heard from Micaela that there's no problems at all with your physical energy...
  51. >But a bigger problem is whether this body of mine can still excite you...
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  53. That boy you blatantly fell in love with that's literally killing himself trying to save the world while you're completely useless? Nah fuck that, bitch is hungry. If this happened to you and your girlfriend said that, you would want to punch them in the throat. Needless to say, Alice becomes a complete unlikeable bitch and borderline Mary Sue-tier thanks to the rest of the characters.
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  55. But the characterization that messes up the story the most? Luka himself. He wasn't fucked with nearly as much, but what was changed actually ruins a large part of the story retroactively. In Part 1 and 2, it's established that he's reckless and seemingly has a death wish to atone for what his father did. Alice has  a similar problem, but does it because she feels guilty for ruining what her mother died for. Over the course of the game, Luka and Alice both come to learn that trying to sacrifice yourself for that is fucking stupid and that it won't achieve anything. Alice's self-destructive path is gone and of course, never mentioned again. Luka learns that killing himself for what he believes in isn't the answer.
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  57. And then Part 3 comes along, he finds out his angel powers will kill him, and what the fuck does he do? Go on a self-destructive path, killing himself for what he believes in. As always, this in itself is not the main problem. It's obvious he had to make a tough choice when shit was going down, and that if he wanted to protect the people he loved, it might mean risking his own life. Again, the problem is how absurdly poorly this was handled. Alice blatantly ignores him (see above), the Spirits apparently don't even know what's going on, and it's only mentioned three times until he finally burns up. The problem is that it doesn't even acknowledge that he pretty much reverted back to how he was in the beginning, just without Ilias. All we see is his body getting weaker slowly over time, and then Ilias conveniently saves him in the end.
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  59. All of this could have still been saved, if Luka even acknowledged that he fucked up, but what happens after he's saved? Alice calls him an idiot, Salamander gets angry, HILARIOUS! Basically, in Part 3, Luka completely unlearns what he learned in Parts 1 and 2, and the game just ended that way. He didn't learn anything. His entire character arc in part 1 and part 2 is completely pointless. So those scenes near the end of Part 2? They don't matter now. In the beginning, monsters were raping humans, they didn't like it and Ilias was manipulating everyone. In the end, monsters are raping humans, they like it and Ilias is gone. Absolutely fucking nothing changed. Luka's entire personal quest was absolutely pointless. The end, enjoy your game.
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  61. Oh, and the Spirits. They started with nothing and ended with nothing. No worse off like Granberia, basically.
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  66. - THE PORN -
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  68. "But wait!", I hear you say. "It's just an H-game! The plot's not going to be that great! I'm here for the porn!" Well, that's a good point, Imaginary Debate Opponent! (Disregarding the fact that the entire reason everyone praises this thing is for its plot) Except that in Part 3, 90% of the porn is completely unfappable by any sane standard. This is the part that almost everyone agrees with. Almost all of the angels are disgusting tentacle abominations. While I give Torotoro credit for being somewhat faithful to how angels were actually depicted, it does not change the fact that I'm allegedly supposed to beat off to this shit. All the monsters are, of course, revolting Chimera things. What isn't a monstrosity tends to turn into one by the end. Everything has a final form. It's fucking moronic. Torotoro even goes as far as to force us to watch the Setouchi abominations fuck everything and devour little kids so he doesn't have to code a battle for them. As if it was something we absolutely had to see. The new art's generally uglier and less consistent than before.
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  70. What isn't an abomination is so bland and generic, it hurts. Part 1 and Part 2 had a nice balance of creepy and sexy, but Part 3 goes so far in both directions (and handles it just as poorly as everything else), that nothing is appealing. The H-scene writing is also worse, just as bad as the main plot. While Part 1 and Part 2 weren't exactly award-winning erotica, they did manage to have some variation and at times were really fucking hot. In Part 3, it's all just "Hora hora you came so fast how pathetic", copy and pasted 200 times. It's boring, it's uninspired, and it's obvious Torotoro wasn't even trying. The H-scenes are also ridiculously short this time around, too (the spirits all last like 3 minutes). The porn feels like a complete afterthought and it seems he wants to gross you out more than arouse you. But then, the main plot feels like an afterthought, too.
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  74. - THE GAMEPLAY -
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  76. Well, the gameplay was always terrible anyway.
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  93. Oh, but what the hell. Gotta have all my bases covered, right?
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  95. Part 1 and Part 2 were very light RPGs. There wasn't a lot of gameplay, and at times it could be unfair. But it was generally balanced and playable. It was cool watching Luka slowly get stronger and evolve his moveset. Overall, it was fun. In Part 3, all of that goes out the window, of course. The RNG is more prevalent than ever, the enemy encounters are absurdly unbalanced. There'll be one enemy that's a complete joke and then another enemy that stops you like a brick wall. One memorable fight is with an angel that has an attack that requires you to have Angel Dance already up and then Guard. She has one turn to warm up. She charges an attack and then your Angel Dance runs out. You can't just Guard because you need Angel Dance, you can't use Angel Dance because you have to Guard. Game Over, game is fucking broken.
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  97. As for Luka's skills, his spirits are gone and he gets Angel powers, which are an inferior replacement. Daystar itself is both ridiculously overpowered and entirely luck-based (if you use it and then an enemy doesn't attack, you waste 8SP and might as well restart). When you get the spirits back, they're still weaker than before and fucking annoying to use. You don't get the power Luka had at the end of Part 2 back until the end of the game. But it doesn't matter anyway, because once you get Salamander back you can just Daystar > Salamander > Daystar everything and win instantly. Somehow, Part 3 manages to be both horribly easy and horribly hard at the same time. It's broken both ways, and it's a complete mess.
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  101. - CONCLUSION -
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  103. So basically, the only good thing about the game is the music. Some people say that the porn's crappy but it's worth it for the plot, then some people say that the plot was crappy but it's just an H-game, some people whine endlessly about how the ending was totally good but they feel empty.
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  105. I say it's all fucking terrible and Part 3 should never have been released in the utterly sorry state it was in. If it's an H-game where the porn's bad, the plot's bad, the characters are bad and the gameplay's bad, then what is the fucking point of it?
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