other Highlights from 22nd December 2012

(10:24:01) +AoC: nicovideo threads in /v/ are starting to turn into camwhore generals

(10:24:19) +fsdfdsf: jesus christ how horrifying

(10:25:00) +AoC: this is why we can't have nice things. They were allowed so far because they were having fun and watching random japanese people playing games while encouraging them

(10:25:21) +AoC: but if it turns into porn and idolatry then I have no problem hitting them for advertising like every other stream

 

(10:37:51) +AoC: Okay, I'm gonna have to start culling the steam sales threads

(10:37:59) +AoC: just too many of them

 

(10:46:06) +i7MUSHROOM: I thought americlap was a /tv/ thing because /tv/ always has threads about americans clapping after watching a movie

(10:46:07) +AoC: u wot m8

(10:46:15) +fsdfdsf: wat

(10:46:24) +fsdfdsf: I thought it came from that video

(10:46:31) +fsdfdsf: The hypnotist one

[...]

(10:54:40) +andonuts: I thought the Americlap thing came from /v/ after some plebeian-core film came out, and some European happened to be in America or something.

 

Its from a bait video intended for KC/int/

 

(14:26:05) +AoC: the camwhore of /v/ is mute/ban evading

(14:26:10) +AoC: delete and ban on sight

(14:26:29) +Volphied370: yeah, he's evading mutes on /vp/

(14:27:47) +AoC: fuck it, I'm doing a deep pass

(14:27:52) %dongfix: ok

(14:27:59) %dongfix: i am banning 3000 tor nodes now

(14:39:59) +Volphied370: still at it, jesus

(14:40:38) +AoC: If I see one more >single line of greentext + reactionface.gif in /v/

(14:40:44) +AoC: I'm gonna lose it

 

(19:14:12) +fsdfdsf: People who make terror threads should be banned regardless of legit

(19:14:22) BluRay: ^

(19:14:40) +fsdfdsf: We used to be able to BR this under that /b/ rule

(19:14:46) +duanemoody: WHICH WE NEED BACK

(19:14:55) +fsdfdsf: I know

(19:14:55) +duanemoody: that was fucking stupid

(19:14:58) +fsdfdsf: Like really badly

(19:15:15) +duanemoody: "no, only /v/ and /vg/ deserve anti troll BRs"

(19:15:16) +fsdfdsf: I can understand taking the perma spam BRs

(19:15:22) +fsdfdsf: But that rule was kinda important

(19:15:27) +duanemoody: "no, guro's fine"

(19:15:29) +fsdfdsf: I don't know why he thinks it's vague

(19:15:36) +duanemoody: "no, furry's not banworthy"

 

(19:18:08) +AoC: moot has a clear choice, does he wants a relaxed, free-for-all imageboard that goes down into shitposting due to no quality standards

[...]

(19:18:18) +AoC: or does he wants rules to be enforced

(19:18:28) +AoC: can't have it both ways

 

(19:30:00) +fsdfdsf: Yea evading is very easy sadly

(19:30:19) +fsdfdsf: You don't even need a VPN

(19:30:23) +fsdfdsf: Just mod your router

(19:30:29) +AoC: man, I honestly abuse the BR tool because it's what the situation requires

(19:30:33) +duanemoody: turn it off and on

(19:30:38) +duanemoody: never mind mod it

(19:30:47) +duanemoody: ip-based bans are a joke

(19:30:49) +fsdfdsf: Yea you can do that too as long as you don't have a static IP

(19:30:59) +AoC: instant reaction > evadable bans hours/days later

(19:31:09) +fsdfdsf: If everyone had a static IP they wouldn't be as much of a joke

(19:31:13) +AoC: which by the way was another step forward, the ban queue was a joke

(19:31:17) +duanemoody: and that's not happening

(19:31:23) +duanemoody: nor is IPv6 going to fix it

(19:31:34) +duanemoody: not even remotely

(19:31:42) +AoC: evercookie is malware though

(19:32:11) +fsdfdsf: Cookie banning people might be the only real solution

(19:32:11) +duanemoody: i don't believe in cookie bans

(19:32:20) +duanemoody: i believe in fucking with people

(19:32:45) +duanemoody: tag them with a cookie and over time their posts don't get through as frequently

(19:33:03) +fsdfdsf: Send captcha errors on purpose

(19:33:07) +fsdfdsf: They happen all the time anyway

(19:33:15) +duanemoody: seriously

(19:33:26) +duanemoody: i realize moot won't like the idea because it didn't occur to him first

(19:33:45) +duanemoody: and so few do

(19:33:57) +duanemoody: but fight fire with piss

(19:34:03) +AoC: I think he doesn't like it as part of his position of low barrier of entry

(19:34:04) +fsdfdsf: Well moot likely thinks that since it's so easy to evade what's the point right now.

(19:35:05) ~moots: yes

(19:35:05) ~moots: why

(19:35:10) +duanemoody: i also like making trolls' lives miserable

(19:35:29) +duanemoody: and bans are overt signs of getting the attention they crave

(19:35:32) +AoC: We were discussing 4chan, would you care to join? Mainly how things are not going that well rules wise with all the evaders and shitposting

(19:36:01) +duanemoody: i propose instead of IP bans, cookies which tag trolls with let us say technical difficulties

(19:36:09) +duanemoody: posts that seem to go through but don't

(19:36:20) +duanemoody: captchas that fail

(19:36:28) +duanemoody: images that come broken

(19:36:55) ~moots: so they can complain on /q/ even more than they already do? no thanks

[...]

(19:37:05) +duanemoody: what, we read that?

(19:37:09) ~moots: i do!

(19:37:20) +duanemoody: sir, people will complain no matter what we do

(19:37:25) +AoC: I do read /q/, but I listen to the ones that wonder why we are not covering as much

(19:37:26) +fsdfdsf: I would like the /b/ rule but broken up so people know which ones they are getting banned for, the uncalled for catasphere one seems kinda important right now with all the school shooting and shooting threads

(19:37:39) +duanemoody: i want the /b/ rule and the trolling rule back global

(19:37:54) +duanemoody: i do not give a tinker's cuss about it being a problem on another board, it's a problem on mine

(19:38:03) +AoC: why the system is still so bottlenecked and depending on a few mods to deal with a massive site

(19:38:25) +duanemoody: either promote people to mods and get more janitors or make the system less dependent on mods

(19:38:29) +duanemoody: this is balls

(19:38:45) +AoC: we couldn't scale up with the user growth but there are options, mostly to keep policy consistent

[...]

(19:39:29) +AoC: the problem with more mods is that we can't be sure they will all be good or following the current guidelines, but protocols that are actually written out and can be pointed at would be a lot of help

(19:39:35) +duanemoody: let me edit at least part of the ban comment so the mods can understand the context of my BR

(19:39:49) +duanemoody: i do not expect the mods to get all the current issues on /co/

(19:40:01) +AoC: not only for training but for checks and balances. Right now, all of us rely on oral tradition and that's not efficient or consistent

(19:41:13) +duanemoody: even if the comment i send to the mod never reaches the user, it's important info

(19:41:41) +AoC: I do find that as well, specially with reposting/spamming and ban evasion BR

(19:41:44) +fsdfdsf: A section where we could add input might be kinda nice

(19:41:51) +duanemoody: no, necessary

(19:42:27) +AoC: a BR on its own doesn't show that the post was repeated over and over but not BR for each one of them

(19:43:15) +duanemoody: yeah, this isn't exactly sorting nuts

(19:43:20) +duanemoody: it's close though

(19:43:24) +fsdfdsf: lol

(19:43:37) +AoC: as for ban evasion, would be easy if we could just point at the system instead of working in the dark. We go from archive and personal sleuthing just to be sure that a shitposter is ban evading

(19:44:10) +duanemoody: which is also balls

(19:44:12) +AoC: and before you say it's not up to janitors to handle those, then I'd agree if it wasn't for janitors doing most of the day-to-day work on the trenches

(19:44:39) +AoC: can't expect mods to keep close enough to the ground to detect evasion patterns.

(19:44:43) +duanemoody: i don't want to see IPs, I want to see patterns

(19:44:51) +duanemoody: hash the fucking things

(19:45:00) +duanemoody: what am i going to do that i already can't

(19:45:21) +AoC: it comes down to the trust again

(19:45:41) +duanemoody: trust shmust, it comes down to being able to do our job

(19:46:30) +AoC: well, what I think moot wants is balance

(19:46:44) +duanemoody: i wouldn't know, he's not talking

(19:46:59) +AoC: be sure that no power hungry maniac ends up ruining the boards, but still give enough so that the users don't ruin the boards by themselves

(19:47:10) +AoC: well, he did say he was busy

(19:47:16) +duanemoody: i'm a balance hungry janitor

(19:47:29) +duanemoody: i want to enjoy visiting my board

(19:47:35) +AoC: but I just like talking meta

(19:47:37) ~moots: [11:35:03] <AoC> moots, you busy?

(19:47:38) ~moots: [11:35:10] <moots> yes

(19:47:38) ~moots: [11:35:10] <moots> why

(19:48:02) +duanemoody: cool, schedule us a time when you aren'y

[...]

(19:50:09) » Quit: ~moots (moots@the.run) (Remote host closed the connection)

(19:50:46) +AoC: welp, that went well

 

(19:51:01) +AoC: on the bright side, we didn't lose a janitor this time

(19:51:06) +fsdfdsf: lmao

(19:51:08) +fsdfdsf: ;_;

(19:51:09) +duanemoody: what, does he fire people

(19:51:27) +fsdfdsf: Kyoubro was booted and banned

[...]

(19:51:39) +duanemoody: i thought that was because he hated chrome

(19:51:44) +fsdfdsf: Uh no

(19:51:52) +fsdfdsf: Kyoubro got banned for complaining

(19:51:56) +AoC: Kyoubro kept being needlessly hostile though, it's important to keep things respectful and constructive

(19:52:00) +fsdfdsf: In a passive aggressive way

(19:52:06) +duanemoody: wait, there was someone more abrasive than me

(19:52:08) +Aerolite: duanemoody: you are thinking of elShoggotho

(19:52:13) +duanemoody: vcr_working, is that possible

(19:52:15) +AoC: Shoggotho was the one that left over chrome

(19:52:20) +Aerolite: a mod who voluntarily left because dongfix wouldn't make a firefox extension

(19:52:29) +Aerolite: ironically, the extension is now inline

(19:52:32) +duanemoody: i know

(19:52:45) +AoC: well, it was more likely he was just tired of the whole thing

(19:52:49) +Aerolite: no

(19:52:50) +AoC: and took a chance

(19:52:54) +Aerolite: he told me it was because of that

(19:53:03) +duanemoody: i'm an argumentative dick but i also offer ideas

 

(23:43:29) +AoC: This outer party nonsense will be the death of me

(23:43:41) +AoC: but appreciate the effort nonetheless