[18:22] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: yo, we got a problem fam
[18:27] @Kre8noyz: what
[18:27] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: http://hastebin.com/zehebuquwe.vbs
[18:28] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: well, that
[18:28] @Kre8noyz: So this is where Wando was posting things from
[18:29] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: The logs were submitted to me
[18:29] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: and given that is your alt
[18:29] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: you stepped in some shit
[18:29] @Kre8noyz: Yea Wando says that he matched that to my IP address
[18:29] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: So did I.
[18:29] @Kre8noyz: I dont use Revanous tho
[18:30] @Kre8noyz: The other alt i use is MileZero
[18:30] @Kre8noyz: and maybe my league alt
[18:30] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: well, is there someone else in new jersey on your current IP using that alt?
[18:30] @Kre8noyz: Not that i know of
[18:30] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: because your current IP was the IP on that alt
[18:30] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: meaning that was you
[18:30] @Kre8noyz: IP meaning my router right?
[18:31] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: The IP that your modem was assigned via your ISP, yes.
[18:31] @Kre8noyz: You're saying im Revanous?
[18:32] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: gracidea, myself, and main all verify that you are indeed revanous; and its made even more clear as the IP you're currently connected on is the same IP
[18:32] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: I did a little research before talking to you, its pretty set in stone that it was you.
[18:32] @Kre8noyz: That doesnt prove it was me, that just proves that Revanous used my IP address
[18:33] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: That literally means it was you
[18:33] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: unless someone logged into that account from your house
[18:33] @Kre8noyz: my bud Xnatural logs on from my house sometimes as well when he comes over yet that doesnt mean im Xnatural
[18:34] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Thats a very poor decision on your part, as you shouldn't allow users to login to your accounts, especially on your local IP address, as thats incriminating you
[18:35] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: and realistically, unless you've got some rock solid proof to prove your innocence, theres not really much of a case for that not being you
[18:35] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: as all relevant parties have been able to verify that it was indeed you
[18:35] @Kre8noyz: All they have proven is that Revanous used my IP address
[18:35] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: That is rock solid proof
[18:35] @Kre8noyz: i am not Revanous
[18:35] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: You are, as this alt matches your IP
[18:36] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: unless you can prove that
[18:36] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: you're SOL here
[18:36] @Kre8noyz: Well it doesnt seem like i can make a case agbainst anyone and it seems like people have already made up their mind
[18:36] @Kre8noyz: Its up to you lights if you want to accept this scandal
[18:36] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Right, because we're got incriminating evidence, you'd need to prove your innocence.
[18:36] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Its not a scandal when all 3 of us are getting the same results
[18:37] @Kre8noyz: Naturally but i have no way to verify that myself
[18:38] @Kre8noyz: nor prove that i was where ill say i was
[18:38] @Kre8noyz: This is the problem with internet identities and its like anyone would hear me out at this point
[18:39] @Kre8noyz: ill post this for the last time: i am not Revanous
[18:39] @Kre8noyz: Why would Gracidea give this to you tho?
[18:39] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: give me one moment
[18:39] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: I'm going to test
[18:39] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: something
[18:45] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: I just tested it; there is no possible way that your IP could have been faked on gracidea. Its possible to fake IPs server side (I linked my lights account as one of your alts for a test). When checking with main, that was not logged on the client; IPs are only logged on connection.
[18:46] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Theres literally no possible way for that connection to have come anywhere other than your house. And if someone was logged into one of your alts at your house acting as you; theres not much I can do for you.
[18:47] @Kre8noyz: and im not saying that my IP was faked
[18:47] @Kre8noyz: When did i say that or insinuate that?
[18:47] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Well, your IP being faked was your only realistic defense
[18:47] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: hence why i was testing for that
[18:47] @Kre8noyz: Dont put words in my mouth
[18:48] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: I didn't. if you want to be a dick, i can just end it off here and assume your guilt
[18:49] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: I'm doing my due diligence in looking for a potential way for that to have been verifiably not you
[18:49] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: and i cant find much
[18:49] @Kre8noyz: Lights you're accusing me of something that i didnt commit, poutting words in my mouth, and getting mad at me for something i say i didnt do ??
[18:49] @Kre8noyz: and you get mad at me???
[18:49] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: You can say you didn't do it, but its currently your word against matching IPs
[18:49] @Kre8noyz: Xnatural is online
[18:50] @Kre8noyz: he is using my router
[18:50] @Kre8noyz: go ahead
[18:50] @Kre8noyz: trace it
[18:50] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Can you prove that isn't you on an alt?
[18:50] @Kre8noyz: can you prove that it is me??
[18:50] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Matching IPs is the 'standard' for verifying someone's identity.
[18:51] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: ie, you are your IP
[18:51] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: this is the internet equivalent of 2 people with the same SSN
[18:51] @Kre8noyz: thats a CYA type of response. What if someone has siblings that all play pokemon showdown?
[18:51] @Kre8noyz: when then?
[18:52] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Then this is a very real concern for them to have
[18:52] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: and a rather unfortunate position to be in
[18:52] @Kre8noyz: This isnt new concern. im sure main is aware of this
[18:53] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Of course they are. That doesn't change the fact that matching IPs are considered to be the same person.
[18:53] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Thats like saying
[18:54] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: when you mail meth to someone, the cops go to the return address, and you claim your cousin who was staying over did it
[18:54] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: given all we have to work off of is that piece of information (address) and you have no way to prove that assertion
[18:54] @Kre8noyz: Difference is cops can perform a drug test
[18:55] @Kre8noyz: urine sample
[18:55] @Kre8noyz: blood sample
[18:55] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: We can't. Hence why we aren't. We're working with what we have available
[18:55] @Kre8noyz: Then you have a flawed system
[18:55] @Kre8noyz: also when did this occur?
[18:55] @Kre8noyz: what was the date?
[18:55] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: I have no way to get Mac addresses
[18:55] @Kre8noyz: and what time zone was this?
[18:56] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: 26th of october sometime between noon and 6PM EST
[18:57] @Kre8noyz: anyway to verify that?
[18:57] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: the connection times of the IP addresses
[19:03] @Kre8noyz: Lights
[19:04] @Kre8noyz: Gracidea didnt give you the full conversation
[19:06] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: do you have the full conversation?
[19:08] @Kre8noyz: No Wando only gave me bits of the conversation but this bit that im about to show you WAS NOT in the hastebin
[19:08] @Kre8noyz: https://gyazo.com/6e07fb43baae617e3c3370edf3854679
[19:09] @Kre8noyz: the hastebin cuts off at [21:34:52]
[19:09] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: and what is the context of that exchange
[19:09] @Kre8noyz: the screen shot i gave you is after that
[19:10] @Kre8noyz: something about people being unhappy
[19:10] @Kre8noyz: https://gyazo.com/2c1a3cc97c9acf3a4a63445ed94bb686
[19:10] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: I'll take this into consideration
[19:11] @Kre8noyz: and what am i being accused of exactly ??
[19:14] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: well, I think 'suspicious/malicious activity' would do a decent enough job to summarize it
[19:17] @Kre8noyz: What does that mean?
[19:17] @Kre8noyz: I want to know exactly what im being accused of
[19:17] @Kre8noyz: how many accusesations
[19:18] @Kre8noyz: and the context of what they are with the content related
[19:20] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: At this point in time, suspicious/malicious activity. I'm not done looking into the matter. It should be pretty clear why we're not too happy about that conversation. I'll get back to you on this topic; in the meantime i heavily recommend not letting anyone onto your alts/connect to showdown from your local IP and would advise you to keep away from Gracidea.
[19:23] @Kre8noyz: lights
[19:23] @Kre8noyz: https://gyazo.com/d9ded86cccb5878f42e72593ca29d5d0
[19:24] Lights - ⓢⓛⓔⓔⓟⓘⓝⓖ: Before we go any further here, I need to discuss the situation with Shelper.
[19:25] @Kre8noyz: ok